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ironlungz949
08-19-2013, 10:39 AM
A Mag Clip buff and a Fire Rate buff on the Thunder LMG..... sounds like a nice buffed up version of a mazu...maybe. I'm anxious and exited to see the Thunder in action.

Arsenic_Touch
08-19-2013, 10:43 AM
Nope. I used it, got my LMGs up to like 10 and still didn't find it any good. If you stand still, it could be useful. But given the mechanics of the game, standing still = death. I found the assault rifles to perform much better.

I could live with the low damage on it, but that reload time is just beyond terrible.
They really need to rework hipfiring in this game, that's all I have to say.

TravelerX1
08-19-2013, 10:43 AM
On this day of Buffing, "Storm" and I will be mowing down targets with reckless abandon!
So looking forward to that aspect of the patch.

Now if they throw in some Disruptor love at some point..... "Sour Grape" will also be making an appearance.

Cavadus
08-19-2013, 10:48 AM
Leveled almost exclusively on it and still use my legendary LM-43 to this day. I loved it then and I'm gonna love it even harder come tomorrow.

Ain't nothing like hosing down a control point in a Shadow War while overcharge is active with it. And with that 40% increase in RoF and the expanded mag it'll be even better :)

Zugo
08-19-2013, 10:51 AM
A Mag Clip buff and a Fire Rate buff on the Thunder LMG..... sounds like a nice buffed up version of a mazu...maybe. I'm anxious and exited to see the Thunder in action.

Where did you see this information? I'd like to go check it out, shame they didn't give it a dmg boost. I have two Thunders, and one Rocker I've been holding for a while now.

Cavadus
08-19-2013, 10:54 AM
...shame they didn't give it a dmg boost.

But it is getting a damage boost. The RoF is being increased from 10 to 14, which is 40%. Which means DPS is increased by 40%.

I believe the current damage is like, what 202? If you kept the current RoF of 10 but used a damage increase to match the new DPS it's like raising it's damage to 282.

ironlungz949
08-19-2013, 10:57 AM
But it is getting a damage boost. The RoF is being increased from 10 to 14, which is 40%. Which means DPS is increased by 40%.

I believe the current damage is like, what 202? If you kept the current RoF of 10 but used a damage increase to match the new DPS it's like raising it's damage to 282.
I would like to see this equation please

Cavadus
08-19-2013, 10:58 AM
I would like to see this equation please

1.4x

/10characters

Zugo
08-19-2013, 10:58 AM
But it is getting a damage boost. The RoF is being increased from 10 to 14, which is 40%. Which means DPS is increased by 40%.

I believe the current damage is like, what 202? If you kept the current RoF of 10 but used a damage increase to match the new DPS it's like raising it's damage to 282.

I get ya, but sometimes you have to struggle to make a shot when things are dieing so fast in these arkfalls. I was hoping for a base damage buff to give the gun a bit more bite against the crit multiplier.

WARDUKE
08-19-2013, 10:59 AM
Yeah, I am a bit skeptical that the math works out like that.

Cavadus
08-19-2013, 11:01 AM
Yeah, I am a bit skeptical that the math works out like that.

RoF = bullets fired per second

Current RoF = 10

New RoF = 14

10*1.4 = 14

40% increase, expressed as 1.4x

202*1.4 = 282.2

10*202 = 2,020 damage in one second

14*202 = 2,828 damage in one second

10*282.2 = 2,828 damage in one second

Goddam, y'all...

Zugo
08-19-2013, 11:02 AM
I'm not sure 10 RoF actually equates to 10 rounds per second. If that's the case my guns appear to be broken, or in need of some repair.

Cavadus
08-19-2013, 11:04 AM
I'm not sure 10 RoF actually equates to 10 rounds per second.

It does, actually. Would be nice if they switched to rounds-per-minute like in the real world but w/e.

And even if it didn't that changes nothing regarding the math except that one would replace "seconds" with "arbitrary unit of time."

Zugo
08-19-2013, 11:05 AM
RoF = bullets fireed per second

Current RoF = 10

New RoF = 14

40% increase, expressed as 1.4x

10*1.4 = 14

202*1.4 = 282.2

10*202 = 2,020 damage in one second

14*202 = 2,828 damage in one second

10*282.2 = 2,828 damage in one second

Goddam, y'all...

I follow you, I'm just not sure the game is actually firing 10 rounds per second on the "10 rate of fire" stat.

ironlungz949
08-19-2013, 11:07 AM
if it fires at 14 fire rate that is very close to a mazu....... dannnnnnnnnnng nice

Cavadus
08-19-2013, 11:08 AM
I follow you, I'm just not sure the game is actually firing 10 rounds per second on the "10 rate of fire" stat.

When the game first launched I did some extensive testing to find what exactly the fire rate statistic referred to. It is, indeed, bullets per second.

It's most easily tested by a Tachmag with a 50 round magazine. It will empty in exactly 2 seconds. Rate of fire of 25. All other (fully automatic) weapons follow this pattern.

Zugo
08-19-2013, 11:08 AM
It does, actually. Would be nice if they switched to rounds-per-minute like in the real world but w/e.

Then your math calculates correctly. 15 would have given us an even 50% DPS boost, but I still would have liked a base damage buff to work against the crit multiplier.

I just started using a pair of thunders with the preparedness perk. What kind of mag buff did they give?

WARDUKE
08-19-2013, 11:09 AM
Find out Tuesday..

Cavadus
08-19-2013, 11:11 AM
What kind of mag buff did they give?

Huge one, actually. 120 rounds, up from 75. A tier III mag will net 180 rounds in the bucket before any bonus rolls the weapon itself may have.

Who's gonna give a **** what the reload speed is when you have 200+ rounds in the bucket and can pop Overcharge for insta-reload?

Zugo
08-19-2013, 11:11 AM
Find out Tuesday..

Currently sitting at 75 I believe, so any increase would be great. I can already negate any reload time using perks.

Donnyrides
08-19-2013, 11:12 AM
somebody else asked for this higher up in the thread, but is there a link to show the actual buffs/nerfs that are going to take place?

ironlungz949
08-19-2013, 11:14 AM
DANG!!!!!!!!!!
i have a thunder with a nice mag bonus and it sits at 94 with no mods at all
its gonna be really hard to mod this thunder i have bc its ALL over the opportunity spectrum

Zugo
08-19-2013, 11:14 AM
Huge one, actually. 120 rounds, up from 75. A tier III mag will net 180 rounds in the bucket before any bonus rolls the weapon itself may have.

Nice, looks like I'll keep the pair on loadout 3 from now on.

Zugo
08-19-2013, 11:15 AM
somebody else asked for this higher up in the thread, but is there a link to show the actual buffs/nerfs that are going to take place?

That was me, I think what we are getting is information from the PC users who are testing the DLC on the PTR.

Cavadus
08-19-2013, 11:18 AM
That was me, I think what we are getting is information from the PC users who are testing the DLC on the PTR.

Correct. These are the LM-43's stats from the public test server.

ironlungz949
08-19-2013, 11:20 AM
are Thunder crit mult at level 20 pretty decent?

Cavadus
08-19-2013, 11:24 AM
are Thunder crit mult at level 20 pretty decent?

It's not amazing. I'm at work so I can't login and check but, IIRC, I believe it was 1.5. Someone with the game in front of them can tell you definitively.

Donnyrides
08-19-2013, 12:13 PM
This is great news. Too bad I went nuts with SAWs and maxed out my LMG skill so I won't have much use for the LMG buffs except for PvP.

Keep the reports coming in PC testers!! And thanks for your work!!

Bonehead
08-19-2013, 12:14 PM
Used one on the alpha test server and liked it a lot

Arsenic_Touch
08-19-2013, 12:16 PM
It's not amazing. I'm at work so I can't login and check but, IIRC, I believe it was 1.5. Someone with the game in front of them can tell you definitively.

1.1 is the base crit rate on a thunder. So pretty much, no crit.

10% crit increase on LMGs at level 20 skill, increases it to 1.2 - so again, no crit.

ironlungz949
08-19-2013, 12:17 PM
Used one on the alpha test server and liked it a lot

its feedback like this that makes waiting for tomorrows DLC near unbearable

Conneri
08-19-2013, 01:25 PM
My Orange Thunder is happy about this.

TravelerX1
08-19-2013, 01:29 PM
All I can say................. THUNDER.....THUNDER.....THUNDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ironlungz949
08-19-2013, 01:35 PM
All I can say................. THUNDER.....THUNDER.....THUNDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...THUNDERCATZ HOOOOOEEEEEEEE3EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE [DITYDITY DIIIIIIII DITYDITY DIIIIIIII (theme music)] LMAO