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Pride
01-24-2013, 05:51 PM
So at home I have a gaming PC and a xbox 360 and wondering if I have friends if I can play with cross platform. Also is it splitscreen (just wondering).

Thanks

(I know I these questions do sound stupid)

Mr666
01-24-2013, 05:58 PM
No Cross Platform and I don't think there is split screen but maybe they will take a note from PSO and have it. Also no stupid questions just unanswered ones.

lPATT
01-24-2013, 06:38 PM
split screen mmo is almost impossible imo . and cross platform it was confirm a few time now they wont have it =D

FatalFactor
01-24-2013, 09:25 PM
split screen mmo is almost impossible imo . and cross platform it was confirm a few time now they wont have it =D

Why would split screen be impossible?

Paladin
01-25-2013, 12:37 AM
Why would split screen be impossible?
Read your comment...no really read it...question it's very existence in this universe...nope..nope..take your time.Now slap yourself.
If your not satisfied then its just simply on a console it would not be powerful enough, and on a computer split screen is just a gimmick.:P

Mr666
01-25-2013, 12:46 AM
Impossible? Yes and no. Like I said before PSO(Phanstay Star Online) had it so could play offline in a 4 player co-op. The character you played with offline could also go online but the no factor is that you couldn't play co-op online for reasons stated.

Aaricane
01-25-2013, 06:43 AM
computer split screen is just a gimmick.:PI think i remember one of the original NFS games being splitscreen on the PC. 1 player used the keyboard, the 2nd used the mouse.

It was absolutely horribly to say the least!

Glitch
01-25-2013, 07:05 AM
First of all I'll address the questions sounding stupid. STOP, it doesn't sound stupid. Now yes it may've been asked elsewhere but the question itself is a legitimate question and you have no need for feeling that it sounds stupid.

The next thing being said, while they did at some point mention that it IS possible to cross play a PC with a PS3, or Xbox 360 with enough tweaks, it appears that Microsoft does not want to support crossing over with the PS3 which is in my opinion a huge shame. Because look at the wonderful things that Sony has done so far. This being that their release of PSU (for Play Station 2) ran in addition to the PC version. While the 360 version was running along and by itself.

Now look at the release of Dust 514, which originally did have a 360 release coming with it, but ended up getting canned because Microsoft didn't want to do the cross platform project to possibly have to deal with the PS3 version?

As far as I know, for the console version no splitscreen has been announced. And while I dont know A TON about how programming, but I think that aspect could work since there are other quite detailed multiplayer games. However a headache would arise with the fact that they would have to find a way two basically run two instances with two people logged in on one machine which might cause issues.

DuoMaxwell007
01-25-2013, 07:25 AM
First of all I'll address the questions sounding stupid. STOP, it doesn't sound stupid. Now yes it may've been asked elsewhere but the question itself is a legitimate question and you have no need for feeling that it sounds stupid.

The next thing being said, while they did at some point mention that it IS possible to cross play a PC with a PS3, or Xbox 360 with enough tweaks, it appears that Microsoft does not want to support crossing over with the PS3 which is in my opinion a huge shame. Because look at the wonderful things that Sony has done so far. This being that their release of PSU (for Play Station 2) ran in addition to the PC version. While the 360 version was running along and by itself.

Now look at the release of Dust 514, which originally did have a 360 release coming with it, but ended up getting canned because Microsoft didn't want to do the cross platform project to possibly have to deal with the PS3 version?

As far as I know, for the console version no splitscreen has been announced. And while I dont know A TON about how programming, but I think that aspect could work since there are other quite detailed multiplayer games. However a headache would arise with the fact that they would have to find a way two basically run two instances with two people logged in on one machine which might cause issues.

umm ok i can agree that asking about cross platform isnt stupid.. but asking about split screen in an MMO IS DEFINITELY stupid... you ever heard of a split screen MMO? if this was a normal/traditional shooter THEN it wouldnt be a stupid question

oh and dont forget FFXI run cross platform on PS2, backwards compatible PS3s, PC AND even Xbox 360.... i dont know what SE did to make that happen but Trion and everyone else should ask them for tips

Glitch
01-25-2013, 08:00 AM
No, I have never seen a split screen mmo. However asking about it is NOT stupid.

Much in the way that we've never seen an MMO that ties in to a television show. This can also present problems given that the game will most likely rely and was made to rely on the tv series, and maybe vice versa so if one fails... the other one also SOL which would lead to the lost of millions up millions ( about 100 million according to Forbes).

The point is though, there is no option and maybe there are just some technical limitations which stop it from happening very easily. This being such things as having two people logged in from the same machine, etc.

All in all if one has never played an MMO it is not as far fetched to think that an MMO MIGHT be split screen on a console since many console games seem to have the option first of all. Next consider that there are not many (if any) running mmos for the console gaming systems to begin with? Finally and in my opinion, it is also downright disrespectful to simply say that a topic is stupid when the answer may seem obvious to you when someone who does not know asks about that. Especially when for all you know, they may have not had much or anything to do with mmos to begin with.

And before you make the argument that a simple search might've given them the answer let me pose you a question. I am in the process of going through graduate school I can turn around and apply to medical school. If you asked asked me a question say, "I had my spleen removed and now I seem to get sick more easily. Why is that?" Would I have any justification in calling your question stupid? Because it is quite obvious that the spleen does affect the function of the immune system, while also acting as a reservoir for red blood cells in the case of hemolytic shock for example. And if you don't know it... you can google it in this day and age right?

That being said, I do apologize for going off topic. But PLEASE do not simply dismiss a person's question as stupid simply because it is obvious to you. Because honestly in this case I do not truly understand why a split screen mmo is not possible on a console aside from making some guesses as to why. Yet there are things that may be quite obvious to me that will not be so for you and it is still not correct or right for me to call any of your potential questions stupid as a result.

DuoMaxwell007
01-25-2013, 08:13 AM
Well youre whole spleen comment would be a stupid question for an extremely obvious reason.. medical is an extremely technical field.. ppl go to school for YEARS to learn that stuff so of course "normal" ppl asking questions about that makes perfect sense.. and how many times have you heard ppl say "dont use the internet for medical diagnosis.. if you have a problem go see a REAL doctor" never heard comments like that about looking up gaming info. however gaming doenst require a PHD so some of its answers are obvious and if they arent a little research helps.

Lastly even if you havent played an MMO.. Ive seen enough commercials and hear enough about them that i would automatically assume that by their scope and size that they wouldnt have split screen (even if my assumption was completely wrong and they indeed didnt ave split screen) "yeah this game has thousands of players interacting on the same screen at the same time!!! Imagine 1000 little split screens taking up your tv... it would be microscopic" lol So yeah the only valid excuse anyone would have for not automatically assuming there is no split screen (even if they havent played an MMO) is that theyve been living under a rock. My grandma doesnt play video games or watch cartoons but she known what Pokemon and World or Warcraft is because they get talked about a lot. This is proof that you dont have to have first hand experience with something to at least know what is is and have some extremely basic idea of how it functions

Glitch
01-25-2013, 10:31 AM
You have inadvertently proved my point on the spleen thing. It is actually something that is SUPER SUPER simple, and super basic to understand that does not require years upon years of understanding. Rather it is something I learned in my sophomore/second year of college in a basic immunology course. This being said, it is something that you can easily pull out of a text book, or even wikipedia. IE it is simply the function of the spleen!

And the thing is if you haven't played a mmo you can still assume that games of this scope can be played in split screen. For example look at the game StarHawk for the PS3. It has HUGE worlds, without loading zones, supports 32 players (split screen for up to two people on one PS3) and actually googling gave me the answer while writing my response.

http://gamerant.com/starhawk-features-split-screen-multiplayer-online-dual-psn-login-mole-139360/ It features split screen multiplayer online & dual PSN Login.

It appears it is possible. So is it still worth it to call someone stupid for asking if it is possible for defiance to do the multiplayer thing? (rhetorical question)

Again, do not simply call one's question stupid simply because they may have a limited understanding of the way things work.


Also I wish to add, while it is not as risky to assume with games as it is with the medical field since the medical field does deal with peoples lives. You still can come off quite ignorant if you believe that you completely understand how a multiplayer game can be structured without having spent years learning how to code, work with networks, work on engines, getting certifications, etc. And again even more so when you attempt to base your understanding of what is currently possible on games you've played in the past. (which may be built on technology that developers later deem too much of a hassle to rewrite)

DuoMaxwell007
01-25-2013, 10:38 AM
"I learned in my sophomore/second year of college in a basic immunology course"

Yeah because EVERYONE takes sophomore/2nd year college basic immunology.

now if you said you learned that in HIGH SCHOOL (and it wasnt some fancy prep school that costs a lotta money and thus not the kinda HS EVERYONE would attend) THEN youd have proven your point. So still somethin like that isnt basic knowledge.. heck I didnt know that.

Also starhawk has split screen and it has huge maps but at what point was it EVERY advertised as an MMO? We're talking about MMOs with split screen here not normal non MMO online games.

Glitch
01-25-2013, 10:58 AM
Again you go straight to the assumption that anyone who has never played an MMO will instantly understand that split screen is somehow impossible. This given the new games that have already come out (starhawk) which already support 32 people all online playing against each other on what amounts to a single instance. (I believe defiance is sharded into 100 man or so instances?)

The point I am making is that anyone who has never played an MMO will understand that many people can play at once in one world and interact with one another, correct? These people may have also played games (such as Starhawk) that also let many players play against each other in a single area while doing so split screen. Correct? So how is it impossible (or even stupid) for someone who has not played an MMO and has as you mentioned only heard of what is possible to wonder, or inquire if it might be possible for split screen to occur?

The point is, you are so willing to dismiss one's question as "stupid" because they may not understand things as well as you do. And frankly you fail to see this.

Furthermore your assumptions of what is and what is not possible may not in some instances be founded on anything other than personal experience alone. Which in many cases is not very reliable, given than you may not truly understand the intricacies of what goes into what you are trying to discuss. (In this case the technology required in creating a game, networking, etc)

All said, I think I am done with this argument. It appears to me that you appear hellbent on dismissing people's questions as stupid. All because they do not have the knowledge, or experience that would allow them to make the (some times obvious) assumptions that you are able to make. And nothing I say or continue to argue from this point will rectify this.

Back on to the main topic at hand. Once again it's not that it is impossible to play cross platform. But unfortunately most likely due to disagreements with Microsoft, any plans for cross platform play were dismissed. Furthermore, you will not be able to play Defiance split screen, or with a friend on the same PS3/360 sorry :(

Also really do not feel bad if you ask a, "stupid question" because you have the right to do so and learn from it. :)

Edit for the post below me since I'd rather not make another post to take this further off topic. But sorry you missed the show. :(

Aaricane
01-25-2013, 11:04 AM
*settles down with a bowl of popcorn*