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Warden
12-12-2013, 03:50 AM
I wont lie I'm on a dry spell right now. I've opened up 30-40 tier4 lockboxes in a month and I haven't came across an orange since I got a BMG at 300ish ego. (Started a new character so I could sell stuff at low ego) I'm wondering is any one else in a dry spell. Should I quit blowing 64 keys and open Tier3's. What works for you?

Danke
12-12-2013, 04:00 AM
Nothing works for me, I constantly hear and see in the chat friends and clan mates getting ojs from tier 2,3,4 boxes sieges and dark matters but i personally haven't got an OJ out of a lockbox in well over 30 of each type t2,t3,t4 if not more of them. If you want to count VOLGE battle rifles, I have pulled 3 of those recently from sieges but to me they are useless and hold no value.

Pulled 2 more battle rifles and finally get an oj from a t4 box, RL Sludge :\

Gemini Rapture
12-12-2013, 04:04 AM
i was on a streak with the battle rifles my first month or so, and i even pulled maybe 3-5 oranges out of boxes, but i havent got anything decent even in almost 2 weeks now.

Clarity Page
12-12-2013, 05:01 AM
I want to know how the orange randomisation drop rate works, because for some people they get loads and others play until really high levels and never see one outside of trades, what ever they use to randomise loot isn't fairly balanced at all.

then again are some people aware of some infinite key glitch so they can open as many lock box's as they like, I haven't heard mention of a key glitch in ages but maybe they are just keeping quiet,
I know of a glitch that they still haven't fixed since beta unfortunately its none profitable but fun none the less

I've had 3 oragnge since launch none of which i have wanted to use

Mike Chone
12-12-2013, 07:47 AM
I wont lie I'm on a dry spell right now. I've opened up 30-40 tier4 lockboxes in a month and I haven't came across an orange since I got a BMG at 300ish ego. (Started a new character so I could sell stuff at low ego) I'm wondering is any one else in a dry spell. Should I quit blowing 64 keys and open Tier3's. What works for you?

You're doing better than me, my last OJ was 720 ego and some 140 lockboxes ago. It "seems" from my calculations that they have made it so that any drop other than blue is very rare unless you open multiple lockboxes within seconds of each other. For instance, if I open 1 T4 lockbox once per hour, I will get 0 purple and 0 orange. However if I open 4 back-to-back I will get approx 8 purple out of the deal. This seems very shady as it seems that only people that buy massive amounts of lockboxes with bits get any bennifit, as it seems it generally takes more than that few seconds to convert your salvage to keys with a maximum of 75 keys.

Trion and Trion fanbois will likely tell me this is just bad rolling consistently -- however the scientific method states that if the same result is repeatable it is fact; so I asked around. It would seem EVERYONE in my contact lists are getting these same results of zero purple and oranges unless they open more than 1 lockboxes at the time (within seconds of each other).

wartitan
12-12-2013, 07:54 AM
I didn't get my first orange out of a lockbox until around 2500 EGO on my second character (I played my first character until around 1300 EGO). Since then, I changed my tactics around how I buy lockboxes. I only go to one location and only pull T3s from that location. That's it. I never buy a box elsewhere, and this has netted me around 1 orange every 10 to 15 lockboxes I pull. So it's not astounding, but it's pretty consistent.

Even though I play this game relatively consistently, I can't really say I have had a dry spell because sometimes I hop on only to sell stuff to clear out inventory. So the time between oranges fluctuates based on what my objectives in game are. If I'm ark hopping for keys and focusing on getting oranges, then it's typically less time between getting legendaries.

Zugo
12-12-2013, 08:30 AM
I got this last night.

http://www.defiancedata.com/weapon/m=68_r=Legendary_e=_s=11_me=_b=55;14;57;17;102_ego =3959_mod=0;0;0;0_mas=0.jpg

3rdpig
12-12-2013, 08:42 AM
I got this last night.

http://www.defiancedata.com/weapon/m=68_r=Legendary_e=_s=11_me=_b=55;14;57;17;102_ego =3959_mod=0;0;0;0_mas=0.jpg


We have the same kind of luck, my last three oranges have been an Incinerator about a month, a Bonfire a couple of weeks ago and a Rebounder cannon a few nights back. Fodder for the crusher.

Stefanwulfe
12-12-2013, 08:49 AM
Yeah, this frustrates the hell outta me too. I'm at about 40 boxes since my last orange. Kinda makes me think, what's the point?

TheButcherPete
12-12-2013, 08:52 AM
I've had 2 oranges pop up after 1.008, before, I had 5 and I was at a much lower EGO.

Of the two oranges, one was from buying 5 tier 4 boxes in a row, via massive amounts of Ark Salvage. And, the other was from me popping up to kill a Monolith for thirty seconds...

And then, in other instances I'll do 3 million damage to the Major Arkfall, and get two blues. Grr.

Zugo
12-12-2013, 09:03 AM
Yeah, this frustrates the hell outta me too. I'm at about 40 boxes since my last orange. Kinda makes me think, what's the point?

I was having the same, but out of the blue two in the last week.

Warden
12-12-2013, 03:19 PM
ya I just seem to only get 4 blues, what was the point in me starting a new character to do grinds for oj and sell lol.

maybe I should wait till I can open back to back 3s

Atticus Batman
12-12-2013, 03:29 PM
I got this last night.

http://www.defiancedata.com/weapon/m=68_r=Legendary_e=_s=11_me=_b=55;14;57;17;102_ego =3959_mod=0;0;0;0_mas=0.jpg

You seemed to be enjoying the new toy for atleast a little while last night!

By the way I suggest filling it's synergy! with all those reload boosts and the reload roll, you could REALLY take advantage of your purple roll on that thing! ANd look at the 2 FULL damage radius rolls and the damage roll!

Left2Smoke420
12-12-2013, 03:31 PM
I can grind keys really quick but i dont do so as often at all anymore because i always get crap from boxes evrytime. If not a crappy oj.....

Clarity Page
12-12-2013, 04:11 PM
I can grind keys really quick but i dont do so as often at all anymore because i always get crap from boxes evrytime. If not a crappy oj.....
any advice for someone wishing to get some keys?

Jet1337
12-12-2013, 04:17 PM
any advice for someone wishing to get some keys?

Be my internet girlfriend? lol

Grind the major and minor arkbreaks. Seems to be the new fastest way.

marcus magrov
12-12-2013, 04:19 PM
I have bought several hunderd T4s since launch and quite a few T3 and T2s. I have never seen an Orange......ever......

Warden
12-12-2013, 05:01 PM
I have bought several hunderd T4s since launch and quite a few T3 and T2s. I have never seen an Orange......ever......

I am very sorry to hear that lol

Left2Smoke420
12-12-2013, 05:22 PM
any advice for someone wishing to get some keys?

Hit me up XBL, n ill tell u how to. It works with all the old arkfalls

Alice Liddell
12-12-2013, 05:25 PM
I got an Orange Pyro Grenade out of some sort of lock box, but I think Tier 4 is the best option just because you can't get Greens out of them. I love my Orange Pyro.

Left2Smoke420
12-12-2013, 05:26 PM
I got an Orange Pyro Grenade out of some sort of lock box, but I think Tier 4 is the best option just because you can't get Greens out of them. I love my Orange Pyro.

I gpt green from t4 the other time. I dont think it was supposed to do that :(

Alice Liddell
12-12-2013, 05:27 PM
I gpt green from t4 the other time. I dont think it was supposed to do that :(

It was recently tweaked to remove Greens, it wasn't always like that.

ironcladtrash
12-12-2013, 05:30 PM
I wont lie I'm on a dry spell right now. I've opened up 30-40 tier4 lockboxes in a month and I haven't came across an orange since I got a BMG at 300ish ego. (Started a new character so I could sell stuff at low ego) I'm wondering is any one else in a dry spell. Should I quit blowing 64 keys and open Tier3's. What works for you?

Try hitting all dark matter ark falls even if it is just the end monolith and heal someone. Before yesterday's patch I have got tons of orange volge battle rifles (I think my last count was 15). The volge sieges do drop other legendary's albeit rarely. Supposedly the afflicted do too now, but I haven't gotten one yet to confirm.

ironcladtrash
12-12-2013, 05:33 PM
I have bought several hunderd T4s since launch and quite a few T3 and T2s. I have never seen an Orange......ever......

I am very sorry to hear that lol

My god, I thought I had bad luck. What platform are you on? If your on PC-NA and high ego I can give you battle rifle or one of the legendary's I am not using just out of sympathy.

quick
12-12-2013, 05:43 PM
Pulled a vbi smg on my low ego toon before the server went down. And it had no nano! So now I have a ego 243 vbi smg with no nano! So that gives me more salvage! lmao

Zugo
12-16-2013, 07:59 AM
Friday = orange infector
Saturday = orange detonator
Sunday = orange shotgun

I think that's a new record for me.

Deunan
12-16-2013, 11:59 AM
Last week I got 3 orange weapons from lock boxes.

Vot Longshot Cannon with triple reload bonuses (white, green, blue), 10% EGO recharge on reload, and 2.00 velocity

VBI TACC Auto-Shotgun (don't recall the stats but they were okay)

VBI SO-2 Courier with white reload bonus, green crit bonus, blue accuracy bonus, 10% EGO recharge on reload, and orange reload bonus. With a rapid shot mod it reloads almost instantly and the reticle is as tight as it could possible be from the hip. I'm hopeful it will have a EGO recharge on full reload mastery bonus which would make it a perfect OJ in my mind.

Nexus Ayres
12-16-2013, 12:06 PM
don't bother with tier 3's. That's what I went with for months and would get 1 legendary every 150 boxes or so. stick with the tier 4s. I hit dry spells too going a month or more, then i'll get lucky and start hitting 2 legends in a single box plus arkfalls and suddenly I got 5 in 1 day. I don't know if there's a math to it or not, location, etc. but i wait out the dry spells and eventually it will pay off.

Dave3d
12-16-2013, 12:42 PM
Dry spell every 700 levels.
I havent gotten one in a long time, but am due.

A question:
Has anyone ever gotten, or even SEEN, and orange armor?
I want to do the contract load all orange on a layout, and I have the 2 weapons and a grenade, but no orange armor.
:(

I havent even heard of anyone with an orange armor.
:(

Atticus Batman
12-16-2013, 04:48 PM
Dry spell every 700 levels.
I havent gotten one in a long time, but am due.

A question:
Has anyone ever gotten, or even SEEN, and orange armor?
I want to do the contract load all orange on a layout, and I have the 2 weapons and a grenade, but no orange armor.
:(

I havent even heard of anyone with an orange armor.
:(

First you mean orange shield and second, several of us have done it, but those orange shields are extremely hard to get.

DanteYoda
12-16-2013, 05:21 PM
I got an Oj BMG a few days ago, i know right a BMG....

Elastik Spastik
12-16-2013, 05:40 PM
I just got one from the wm. Stats in my wm thread.

Bonehead
12-16-2013, 05:49 PM
I just got a nice oj ranger.
She soooooo pretty.

rebtattoo
12-16-2013, 06:01 PM
First you mean orange shield and second, several of us have done it, but those orange shields are extremely hard to get.My first three lockbox pulls were shields.


don't bother with tier 3's. That's what I went with for months and would get 1 legendary every 150 boxes or so. stick with the tier 4s. I hit dry spells too going a month or more, then i'll get lucky and start hitting 2 legends in a single box plus arkfalls and suddenly I got 5 in 1 day. I don't know if there's a math to it or not, location, etc. but i wait out the dry spells and eventually it will pay off.I disagree whole-heartedly! I pull 3-6 tier 3's a day and average 2-5 oj's a week. Are they all the "perfect weapon?" Hell no. But I use them if I can to barter my way up. The only time I ever pulled tier 4 was during jackpot box week. I won't pull a tier 4 unless they bring them back


any advice for someone wishing to get some keys?The best way is to do all arkfalls possible. Heal at least 1 full health at all to assure maximum keys. Do sieges, both afflicted and volge.

The boring way is to farm for salvage.


You're doing better than me, my last OJ was 720 ego and some 140 lockboxes ago. It "seems" from my calculations that they have made it so that any drop other than blue is very rare unless you open multiple lockboxes within seconds of each other. For instance, if I open 1 T4 lockbox once per hour, I will get 0 purple and 0 orange. However if I open 4 back-to-back I will get approx 8 purple out of the deal. This seems very shady as it seems that only people that buy massive amounts of lockboxes with bits get any bennifit, as it seems it generally takes more than that few seconds to convert your salvage to keys with a maximum of 75 keys.Need to disagree with this also, as I have NEVER purchased a lockbox with bits and have amassed over 100 oj's.

I stick with 1 box and hit it every time. Salvage the garbage and try again the next day.

Dave3d
12-16-2013, 07:02 PM
What box is it that you hit all the time thats giving the oj's?
I really need that shield.

rebtattoo
12-16-2013, 07:38 PM
It's random. I pull from a box, clan mate pulls from another with similar results. Just persistence.

Try pulling from just one box for a week. No results, move to a different box. Rinse. Repeat.

I tried several boxes til I found the one that payed the best.

maverick07
12-16-2013, 11:06 PM
What box is it that you hit all the time thats giving the oj's?
I really need that shield.

There was a few people that used to say that Tier 2s and 3s had a better chance at shields and grenades. Don't know if that's still the case anymore but I have heard that from numerous people.

I normally wouldn't believe things like that. But I strictly do Tier 4s, and I have never gotten a shield from one of those, and for my friends that also do Tier 4s rarely get OJ shields out of them.

Any box can give anything though. I use to run T3s, but I started to go on a serious drought with them, and when I switched to T4s my luck with OJ weapons seemed to improve a bit.

Tallon
12-17-2013, 07:53 AM
Never pulled an orange from a box...yet. Just unlucky I guess. Got a couple from ark fall rewards though, Didn't even know they dropped from them until I got one.

Zugo
12-17-2013, 08:11 AM
Friday = orange infector
Saturday = orange detonator
Sunday = orange shotgun

I think that's a new record for me.

Monday = orange rocket launcher

I'm still on a streak.

Clarity Page
12-17-2013, 08:18 AM
Monday = orange rocket launcher

I'm still on a streak.

how did you get so lucky? and can you bottle it up?

Zugo
12-17-2013, 08:26 AM
how did you get so lucky? and can you bottle it up?

All my bad luck is used up at the casino. :mad:

Clarity Page
12-17-2013, 08:49 AM
All my bad luck is used up at the casino. :mad:

ahh that's your trick then lose all your money at the slots, but I dont have any money to lose so does that count, probably not. where's my bottle of Felix Felicis

Whoope
12-17-2013, 09:02 AM
http://prntscr.com/2buydb rolled these in 4boxes (had 270k salv)

Albion
12-17-2013, 09:21 AM
Orange drop rates were always an issue since day one. I just started playing again after a while away, and it was easy to remember why I left. Every day its the same thing - do arkfalls, sieges, etc for a few hours to get enough keycodes and salvage for a few boxes, open the boxes, get all blue and green quicksell junk, and then realize you wasted all that time for nothing.

Not saying I expect an orange everytime, but they are just stupidly rare for most players. And as the game loses players, you would think Trion might do something about this to stir up interest. I guess not.

Whoope
12-17-2013, 09:58 AM
and then realize you wasted all that time for nothing.

Aha thats where you are wrong, weapon rarity doesn't matter asmuch in this game compared to others, this is more of a fun game where you get minimal stat boosts for going that one higher tier, you shouldn't take it as farming but as doing something in the game, instead of sitting around talking on other mmo's because you're waiting for stupid dungeon cooldowns or done all your dailies for the day, this game makes you feel involved if you put in the effort and don't make excuses for putting in the effort.

Festival
12-17-2013, 10:16 AM
ahh that's your trick then lose all your money at the slots, but I dont have any money to lose so does that count, probably not. where's my bottle of Felix Felicis

Accio OJ! =P

wartitan
12-17-2013, 11:06 AM
any advice for someone wishing to get some keys?

Since DLC 2 there is a much faster way to get keys. HMU on XBL and I'll give you the skinny on the method as well as the numbers to prove it. It does rely on you running bonuses, so it's not entirely free. But it's netting me some mad ark salvage in a short amount of time, and I really could only hope for a loot bonus weekend, you could easily double the salvage with it...

TheButcherPete
12-17-2013, 11:13 AM
The main problem with the tier 4 boxes is the chance to get a blue level weapon, which is 60%+

You actually have a better chance pulling a purple weapon from a tier 3, than a tier 4. the % chance literally doubles between the two.

Everyone who buys a tier 4 box is either a chump or a noob.

Clarity Page
12-17-2013, 11:40 AM
The main problem with the tier 4 boxes is the chance to get a blue level weapon, which is 60%+

You actually have a better chance pulling a purple weapon from a tier 3, than a tier 4. the % chance literally doubles between the two.

Everyone who buys a tier 4 box is either a chump or a noob.

(EDIT thought you were talking about orange rates, my bad)

I though that was only applied before they boosted the orange chance on T4 boxs, they admitted them selves that you were more likely to get an orange in a t3 box than a t4, so now if you are orange hunting it might still be better to go for T4s.

anyway i might switch to doing T3s again they cost a lot less salvage so i should be able to get more of them and perhaps get a really nice purple or orange

TheButcherPete
12-17-2013, 11:56 AM
(EDIT thought you were talking about orange rates, my bad)

I though that was only applied before they boosted the orange chance on T4 boxs, they admitted them selves that you were more likely to get an orange in a t3 box than a t4, so now if you are orange hunting it might still be better to go for T4s.

anyway i might switch to doing T3s again they cost a lot less salvage so i should be able to get more of them and perhaps get a really nice purple or orange

The difference between OJ drop rates of the two boxes is that supposedly, a tier 3 has a 1-3% chance of an Orange, and a tier 4 has a 5% chance.

Tier 4 being almost 3x the keycodes makes it less desirable to people who pay attention.

Clarity Page
12-17-2013, 12:00 PM
The difference between OJ drop rates of the two boxes is that supposedly, a tier 3 has a 1-3% chance of an Orange, and a tier 4 has a 5% chance.

Tier 4 being almost 3x the keycodes makes it less desirable to people who pay attention.

thanks i normally do pay attention to statistics on these kinds of things but i was unaware anyone had figured out the chances, cheers for the stats

Dave3d
12-18-2013, 10:18 AM
So, trying to buy an oj shield, as I just cant get one.
Been farming tier 2 and 3 lockboxes, but nadda.

If anyone has one to sell, or even just loan for a minute and wants it back so I can get the achievement, would be most appreciated.

http://forums.defiance.com/showthread.php?143721-WTB-orange-shield&p=1351880#post1351880

PC, level 2600

Zugo
12-18-2013, 11:37 AM
Friday = orange infector
Saturday = orange detonator
Sunday = orange shotgun

I think that's a new record for me.


Monday = orange rocket launcher

I'm still on a streak.

Tuesday = orange bolt action sniper

Feeling a little guilty now. :rolleyes:

Zugo
12-19-2013, 07:31 AM
My streak has ended. No orange for me yesterday.

goto
12-19-2013, 08:43 AM
if they poped up a lot they wodint be a acompishment

Misfit501
12-19-2013, 08:48 AM
I've never gotten an orange, ever! I've never even equipped one because one has never dropped for me, and I can never seem to have enough scrip to pay these ridiculous prices that people are asking. The only reason I still play this game is because I got conned into buying the season pass and with the time I've put into my character if I was to quit playing now, it would seem like all this for absolutely nothing. Speaking of the season pass, the season pass for this game has made me skeptical about getting a season pass for any game from now on.

Bubblegoose
12-19-2013, 11:57 AM
it is so strange how this works, I have people in my clan that don't see one for a month and yet I get one about every 3-5 boxes and 1 after 4-5 darkmatter/volge siege currently holding over 50 but I give most away. don't take this as bragging im just throwing my own experience in there and I do feel for those that don't see them for so long.