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Animal85
02-11-2014, 07:02 AM
Today uncrated from top notch vendor box oj rifle full auto with syphon 436 dmg http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=226911342
but only minus is its not tradable

N3gativeCr33p
02-11-2014, 07:06 AM
Nice weapon! :applause:

(But I'm in the minority who think the faction box contents shouldn't be tradable, so I disagree with you there.)

Grimwar
02-11-2014, 07:31 AM
I can not believe you didn't put at least 2 prepared synergy mods into that thing to get the ammo regeneration. With those you can shoot for a long time before you need to go find ammo. that means more time on target and a higher damage score in whatever encounter you are participating in.

But yeah awesome gun congrats :)

drackiller
02-11-2014, 07:34 AM
I can not believe you didn't put at least 2 prepared synergy mods into that thing to get the ammo regeneration. With those you can shoot for a long time before you need to go find ammo. that means more time on target and a higher damage score in whatever encounter you are participating in.

But yeah awesome gun congrats :) He can always remove the mods and put new ones. :)

Animal85
02-11-2014, 10:34 AM
yep will try now get these special mods for it

Overtkill21
02-11-2014, 10:35 AM
Wanna see how to burst a bubble?

That Gun is NOT Full-Auto - it is the same weapon as an FRC Heavy Assault Carbine - it is a Semi-Auto - pull the trigger once and fire one bullet each time.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Oc4A6h0vD_A/TjLfZ1D8NXI/AAAAAAAAALc/rLdJtxRHpsA/s1600/burst-bubble.jpg

rebtattoo
02-11-2014, 10:42 AM
I can not believe you didn't put at least 2 prepared synergy mods into that thing to get the ammo regeneration. With those you can shoot for a long time before you need to go find ammo. that means more time on target and a higher damage score in whatever encounter you are participating in.

But yeah awesome gun congrats :)"shooting a long time" kind of defeats the purpose of the epic roll, dontcha think?

Haifisch
02-11-2014, 10:55 AM
Wanna see how to burst a bubble?

That Gun is NOT Full-Auto - it is the same weapon as an FRC Heavy Assault Carbine - it is a Semi-Auto - pull the trigger once and fire one bullet each time.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Oc4A6h0vD_A/TjLfZ1D8NXI/AAAAAAAAALc/rLdJtxRHpsA/s1600/burst-bubble.jpg

It is too. The Assault Carbine says "Heavy damage per shot" the Heavy Carbine says "Semi-Automatic Rifle with a scope" or something of the sort.

squidgod2000
02-11-2014, 10:55 AM
Wanna see how to burst a bubble?

That Gun is NOT Full-Auto - it is the same weapon as an FRC Heavy Assault Carbine - it is a Semi-Auto - pull the trigger once and fire one bullet each time.

FRC Heavy Assault Carbine (and the old Frontier Battle Rifle) have a base mag of 20, however. This one has a much higher base.

squidgod2000
02-11-2014, 10:58 AM
It is too. The Assault Carbine says "Heavy damage per shot" the Heavy Carbine says "Semi-Automatic Rifle with a scope" or something of the sort.

"Frontier Battle Rifle" is the name of the single-shot from Top Notch, which is what's causing the confusion here. Based on the mag size, I'd say you're right and it's an assault carbine. Just another Trion fvckup.

Animal85
02-11-2014, 11:06 AM
[QUOTE=Overtkill21;1404305]Wanna see how to burst a bubble?

That Gun is NOT Full-Auto - it is the same weapon as an FRC Heavy Assault Carbine - it is a Semi-Auto - pull the trigger once and fire one bullet each time.
nope its full auto wil take more pics with semi auto and full auto so you can see
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=226974254
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=226974131
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=226973908
your brain just bursted einstein

xox Zoey xox
02-11-2014, 11:08 AM
Wow awesome gun! I want it!

Where did it come from again?

Animal85
02-11-2014, 11:10 AM
its from top notch vendor wep box

Overtkill21
02-11-2014, 12:40 PM
[QUOTE=Overtkill21;1404305]Wanna see how to burst a bubble?

That Gun is NOT Full-Auto - it is the same weapon as an FRC Heavy Assault Carbine - it is a Semi-Auto - pull the trigger once and fire one bullet each time.
nope its full auto wil take more pics with semi auto and full auto so you can see
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=226974254
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=226974131
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=226973908
your brain just bursted einstein

Retract - I apologize, interesting, I have pulled the exact same weapon, a Frontier Battle Rifle from Top Notch and mine IS a semi-auto (I dismissed it offhand) - and it appears though, that they share a name but they do not share the same type of weapon????

WHAT THE WHAT - TRION!?!?!? Frontier Battle Rifle A and Frontier Battle Rifle B??

http://forums.defiance.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6544&d=1391577361

maverick07
02-11-2014, 12:54 PM
[QUOTE=Animal85;1404355]

Retract - I apologize, interesting, I have pulled the exact weapon and dismissed it offhand.

Yeah it is kinda confusing because the Purple version that has always been in that vendor is a Heavy. But the ones coming out of the crates seem to always be the full auto version.

The guns out of the crates must be based on the lowest rarity version in the vendor or something. That rifle is SICK though animal :) has me itchin to grind some more rep!

maverick07
02-11-2014, 12:57 PM
Retract - I apologize, interesting, I have pulled the exact weapon and dismissed it offhand.

Yeah it is kinda confusing because the Purple version that has always been in that vendor is a Heavy. But the ones coming out of the crates seem to always be the full auto version.

The guns out of the crates must be based on the lowest rarity version in the vendor or something. That rifle is SICK though animal :) has me itchin to grind some more rep!

Edit looks like both versions are in there then! Thanks for the pic Overt. I've only seen standard assault carbines myself. Good to know both versions are in there.

Second Edit :(
Sorry double posted

Overtkill21
02-11-2014, 01:01 PM
2 Questions for Trion on this:

1. Why on Earth would you have 2 Versions of the same gun named the same exact thing?

2. How is 424 base DMG on a Full Auto Carbine with 10.2 Fire Rate ok, but it is not ok on a SAW with an 8.0 Fire Rate? (424 used to be SAW Base DMG)

Overtkill21
02-11-2014, 01:15 PM
2 Questions for Trion on this:

1. Why on Earth would you have 2 Versions of the same gun named the same exact thing?

2. How is 424 base DMG on a Full Auto Carbine with 10.2 Fire Rate ok, but it is not ok on a SAW with an 8.0 Fire Rate? (424 used to be SAW Base DMG)

(Sorry again OP, I think you may have just exposed your gun to the nerfers...)

xox Zoey xox
02-11-2014, 01:25 PM
2 Questions for Trion on this:

1. Why on Earth would you have 2 Versions of the same gun named the same exact thing?

2. How is 424 base DMG on a Full Auto Carbine with 10.2 Fire Rate ok, but it is not ok on a SAW with an 8.0 Fire Rate? (424 used to be SAW Base DMG)

Sigh...

Really? really? Is there a need to bring up somthing like that? Maybe talk about the SMGs needing their ammo pool halved, or that infectos shouldint cause bugs anymore. Hell, why should the guns even shoot bullets right? water pistols should be the new weapon!

*Awaits FRC carbine nerf....

Overtkill21
02-11-2014, 01:39 PM
Sigh...

Really? really? Is there a need to bring up somthing like that? Maybe talk about the SMGs needing their ammo pool halved, or that infectos shouldint cause bugs anymore. Hell, why should the guns even shoot bullets right? water pistols should be the new weapon!

*Awaits FRC carbine nerf....

Bringing up the SMG ammo pool in this conversation would have been odd, infectors shouldn't spawn bugs? Guns shouldn't shoot bullets? What are you talking about?

My point is a fair point considering the prior nerf to the SAW; so live in fear of the nerf - or don't - it all depends on what you think about the responsiveness of Trion. LOL

rebtattoo
02-11-2014, 01:43 PM
Ah, SAW-Nerfgate. I remember it well!

The SAW is dead! Long live the SAW!

Fuzzle
02-11-2014, 01:48 PM
I had to double check the one I had to see. I got the Semi-Auto version, so at first I thought the OP was mistaken, but yup, OP got lucky with that one. Here's mine with the stats and everything for comparison. Nice find Animal, I'm jealous :)

http://i.imgur.com/cZjIdks.jpg

maverick07
02-11-2014, 01:49 PM
2 Questions for Trion on this:

1. Why on Earth would you have 2 Versions of the same gun named the same exact thing?

2. How is 424 base DMG on a Full Auto Carbine with 10.2 Fire Rate ok, but it is not ok on a SAW with an 8.0 Fire Rate? (424 used to be SAW Base DMG)

First one is probably just an oversight. Maybe they could rename the full auto Frontier Assault Rifle, and for the heavy varient, have it keep the Frontier Battle Rifle name.

For number two remember that the FRC Assault Carbine has a 9.0 base fire rate not 10.2. Both the SAW and the FRC Assault Carbine has 300 base damage. You are correct that the SAWs base fire rate is 8.0. So to recap, SAW has 300 base DMG with 8.0 fire rate, and FRC AR has 300 base damage as well with a 9.0 fire rate.

Now a SAW is going to be able to shoot for much longer than an FRC AC can without reloading. This is how they balance each other out.

Remember that the damage is all added multiplicatively now. You would get the same DMG number on an Frontier SAW if you pull one out of the Frontier Cache with an OJ DMG roll.

Base DMG - 300
Faction Vendor bonus - (1.10)
Orange rarity bonus - (1.15)
Weapon skills - (1.05)
Orange DMG roll - (1.10)
Green DMG mod - (1.05)

300 * 1.10 * 1.15 * 1.05 * 1.10 * 1.05
= 460.239 rounds to = 460 DMG

If you want to compare some DPS numbers 460 (DMG) x 9.0 (fire rate) it would be at 4140 for white DMG DPS.

And numbers for my Extra Life Thunder, 297 (DMG) x 14 (fire rate), would be at 4158 for white DMG DPS. Other things like Needlers and Springers can go higher (but they suffer from falloff).

Nefarious
02-11-2014, 02:17 PM
Everyone showing off their guns reminds me of this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1nSwpxRuJo

Bonehead
02-11-2014, 03:44 PM
[QUOTE=Animal85;1404355]

Retract - I apologize, interesting, I have pulled the exact same weapon, a Frontier Battle Rifle from Top Notch and mine IS a semi-auto (I dismissed it offhand) - and it appears though, that they share a name but they do not share the same type of weapon????

WHAT THE WHAT - TRION!?!?!? Frontier Battle Rifle A and Frontier Battle Rifle B??

http://forums.defiance.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6544&d=1391577361

The code is rearranging itself. The game is becoming self aware.
Skynet!

Amack
02-11-2014, 03:49 PM
Overt is correct, it needs to be addressed, ignoring it would not be healthy to the game overall.

drackiller
02-12-2014, 02:07 AM
I got these a day b4 the OP, i thought it was strange but didn`t make a big deal about it, but if i had the gun the OP had i sure have stayed quiet. :)
http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx142/ToniCareca/DSCN0062_zps08fb29f7.jpg (http://s750.photobucket.com/user/ToniCareca/media/DSCN0062_zps08fb29f7.jpg.html)
http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx142/ToniCareca/8c01bfc8-dbc1-4d86-b61a-b1c5e7516fde_zps406cf194.jpg (http://s750.photobucket.com/user/ToniCareca/media/8c01bfc8-dbc1-4d86-b61a-b1c5e7516fde_zps406cf194.jpg.html)

Logain
02-12-2014, 09:20 AM
Shhh... these are not the GUNS you are looking for...

I happen to pull a Frontier Battle Rifle from the box the other day, assumed it was a Heavy variant and did not think anything more of it until the OP's post. Upon a second look, I also pulled a full auto. I thought maybe it has something to do with synergy (Hard Boiled vs Prepared) but it does not look like that is the case:

6580

Remember... these are not the GUNS you are looking for...

drackiller
02-12-2014, 09:31 AM
Ah, SAW-Nerfgate. I remember it well!

The SAW is dead! Long live the SAW!

Reb, the SAW is still a good weapon. I`ve been doing sieges with a SAW and with some good mods it can be a very effective weapon.
It`s not that stable as before but still good enough.

Atticus Batman
02-12-2014, 12:01 PM
First one is probably just an oversight. Maybe they could rename the full auto Frontier Assault Rifle, and for the heavy varient, have it keep the Frontier Battle Rifle name.

For number two remember that the FRC Assault Carbine has a 9.0 base fire rate not 10.2. Both the SAW and the FRC Assault Carbine has 300 base damage. You are correct that the SAWs base fire rate is 8.0. So to recap, SAW has 300 base DMG with 8.0 fire rate, and FRC AR has 300 base damage as well with a 9.0 fire rate.

Now a SAW is going to be able to shoot for much longer than an FRC AC can without reloading. This is how they balance each other out.

Remember that the damage is all added multiplicatively now. You would get the same DMG number on an Frontier SAW if you pull one out of the Frontier Cache with an OJ DMG roll.

Base DMG - 300
Faction Vendor bonus - (1.10)
Orange rarity bonus - (1.15)
Weapon skills - (1.05)
Orange DMG roll - (1.10)
Green DMG mod - (1.05)

300 * 1.10 * 1.15 * 1.05 * 1.10 * 1.05
= 460.239 rounds to = 460 DMG

If you want to compare some DPS numbers 460 (DMG) x 9.0 (fire rate) it would be at 4140 for white DMG DPS.

And numbers for my Extra Life Thunder, 297 (DMG) x 14 (fire rate), would be at 4158 for white DMG DPS. Other things like Needlers and Springers can go higher (but they suffer from falloff).

Overt was talking about pre-nerf saws. They used to have way more damage and accuracy and were nerfed to hell.

maverick07
02-12-2014, 12:38 PM
Overt was talking about pre-nerf saws. They used to have way more damage and accuracy and were nerfed to hell.

The difference now is that everything in the game has gotten much stronger. It's not just the SAW being the "I win" gun and the only choice.

A pre nerf white SAW modded out could have challenged some OJ ARs in the game now (VBIs and FRC ACs even), even with all the damage boosts with rarity, and with more bonus rolls now. Now imagine if the SAW was still on the base 400 damage it used to be. You could get one with 600 DMG per shot now if it wasn't nerfed. We'd still have everyone and their brother using a SAW.

I was one of the people who thought the SAW DMG nerf was needed. It was a little too strong back then. Though I thought they overdid it at first. It's much more balanced now then it used to be.

Overtkill21
02-20-2014, 11:56 AM
So has ANYONE else seen the gun the OP posted?

I have now pulled 3 Orange Frontier Battle Rifles from Top Notch and they are ALL Semi-Auto.


(Oh and mav, I was speaking about that exact fact, if the SAW was OP how is a gun that does more damage at a faster fire rate NOT OP? If the original SAW needed a nerf then why does this gun exist?)

ItISLupus
02-20-2014, 07:51 PM
2 Questions for Trion on this:

1. Why on Earth would you have 2 Versions of the same gun named the same exact thing?

2. How is 424 base DMG on a Full Auto Carbine with 10.2 Fire Rate ok, but it is not ok on a SAW with an 8.0 Fire Rate? (424 used to be SAW Base DMG)

Main issue with the saw was the high damage, high rof and high mag cap combo. Also, assault Carbine jumps like a NBA all star