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Chocolatelover67
03-29-2014, 06:09 PM
The Volge seem cybernetic as do the 99er miners.

So I'm wondering what would other scifi races be like going up against them, like the Cardassians vs Castithans, or The Volge vs The Borg....

Actually Volge vs Borg would be kind of interesting as the Borg have adaptive shielding..

Midori Oku
03-29-2014, 06:40 PM
LMAO!

The Borg would slaughter the Volge, and the Cardassians would destroy the Castithans. I mean look at what the Cardassians did to the Bajorans. But I like this! Lets throw the Yuuzhan Vong (Star Wars) into the mix somewhere too! :3

hardy83
03-29-2014, 06:41 PM
LMAO!

The Borg would slaughter the Volge, and the Cardassians would destroy the Castithans. I mean look at what the Cardassians did to the Bajorans. But I like this! Lets throw the Yuuzhan Vong (Star Wars) into the mix somewhere too! :3

Of course they would slaughter them. This is a world where space crafts with weaponry don't exist.
If the borg or any Star Trek race showed up, they would slaughter everyone. lol

Midori Oku
03-29-2014, 06:47 PM
Of course they would slaughter them. This is a world where space crafts with weaponry don't exist.
If the borg or any Star Trek race showed up, they would slaughter everyone. lol

Exactly, but even in a ground battle the Volge would stand no chance against the Borg. I can see it now, Datak Tarr having a charge blade to lightsaber duel with Yoda while the Volge fight the Borg in the background!

WhiteF8ng
03-29-2014, 07:02 PM
Can the Geth and/or Reapers make it in there somewhere? Battle Royale?

Midori Oku
03-29-2014, 07:18 PM
Can the Geth and/or Reapers make it in there somewhere? Battle Royale?

Only if the Sangheili can join in! :)

hey u
03-29-2014, 07:41 PM
In real life I think the Volge would murder the Borg. Within the game the Volge would die by the borg since they got the ninja nerf some months back.

Atticus Batman
03-29-2014, 07:52 PM
LMAO!

The Borg would slaughter the Volge, and the Cardassians would destroy the Castithans. I mean look at what the Cardassians did to the Bajorans. But I like this! Lets throw the Yuuzhan Vong (Star Wars) into the mix somewhere too! :3

Perhaps but the kardashians would corrupt and Destroy the Cardassians! Sorry I couldn't help it. I mean they are bigger ballcrushers than the Cardassians! Kim would eat poor Gul Dukat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukat_(Star_Trek))alive!

hey u
03-29-2014, 08:11 PM
Perhaps but the kardashians would corrupt and Destroy the Cardassians! Sorry I couldn't help it. I mean they are bigger ballcrushers than the Cardassians! Kim would eat poor Gul Dukat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukat_(Star_Trek))alive!

Kardashians without makeup on would kill any and everything Defiance related or Borg!!...?!!!

Chocolatelover67
03-29-2014, 11:23 PM
Do the Volge have any kind of shielding? Or any race for that matter in Defiance......Borg adapt.... and the nanites infect

Assimilated Volge that would be terrifying

Ned Kelly
03-30-2014, 05:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN19oHTv_Vg

1 Darlek vs the entire defiance world, still not even a remote challenge for the Darlek.

Chocolatelover67
03-30-2014, 07:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN19oHTv_Vg

1 Darlek vs the entire defiance world, still not even a remote challenge for the Darlek.

Yes!!!! One shot Volge are dead

Amun Ra
03-30-2014, 10:25 PM
Let's be a tad serious: when the first Borg were showed, they were an uber race with no compare.
During the series, they got nerfed by a factor of 500% at the end.

For those that know how the first Borg were: Their creator underestimated his creation.

Only 1 vessel laid waste to a Federation fleet in no time (Battle of Wolf 359)m yes sure, it had Locutus, but even then.
The Borg already had assimilated "thousands of species" before venturing in our region.
Tell me: a species that has conquered "thousands of species", it would be overrun by us simpletons?

On another note, of WHY do aliens ALWAYS are so darned human?
I mean: If there was life on say Jupiter (to name a aplnet closeby), then why would it look so bloody humanoid?
I find that damned simple.

But, that's me.

Chocolatelover67
03-31-2014, 01:20 AM
Let's be a tad serious: when the first Borg were showed, they were an uber race with no compare.
During the series, they got nerfed by a factor of 500% at the end.

For those that know how the first Borg were: Their creator underestimated his creation.

Only 1 vessel laid waste to a Federation fleet in no time (Battle of Wolf 359)m yes sure, it had Locutus, but even then.
The Borg already had assimilated "thousands of species" before venturing in our region.
Tell me: a species that has conquered "thousands of species", it would be overrun by us simpletons?

On another note, of WHY do aliens ALWAYS are so darned human?
I mean: If there was life on say Jupiter (to name a aplnet closeby), then why would it look so bloody humanoid?
I find that damned simple.

But, that's me.


I agree with a lot of what you said..

One word "BUDGET" It's the bane of commercial TV and most aliens look humanoid because of TV budgets, and also that you do not want to alienate the people watching the show by putting something too unusual on screen. That's my take on this.

As for Jupiter I imagine if life were there it would be like a giant octopus or sea creature to float around in that gassy environment.. Something truly alien...

As for the Borg. TNG era Borg around the battle of Wolf 359 would take one look at the Volge and go "hahahaha come and try"

Howcome the TV Volge got nerfed so two rounds killed them?

Amun Ra
03-31-2014, 08:06 AM
One word: survivability.
Humans can't EVER lose, right?
All movies 'must have a happy ending'?

As for Aliens being humanoid: true.
Budget (well, and some that do lack phantasy, i reckon?), in many a case there's also the emotional identitification factor.
Humans don't 'feel sorry' for a ball of light, where a humanoid alien can address feelings like that.
I mean: if Seven of Nine was an octopuss, would she have the same emotional response from us viewers?
And no.
No, I'm not talking about her breast here, many seem only to recall that part of Seven of Nine, lmao.

BTW: Daleks?
BWAAAHAHAHAHAH.
Failed R2D2's.

N3gativeCr33p
03-31-2014, 08:41 AM
Tribbles FTW.

http://media1.giphy.com/media/6229k5h1JkuvS/giphy.gif

Midori Oku
03-31-2014, 08:44 AM
Perhaps but the kardashians would corrupt and Destroy the Cardassians! Sorry I couldn't help it. I mean they are bigger ballcrushers than the Cardassians! Kim would eat poor Gul Dukat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukat_(Star_Trek))alive!

Sadly, I have to agree with you there. =/

Edit: I also forgot about Species 8472. I'm sure we could throw them into this massive battle somewhere.

Thearl
03-31-2014, 08:52 AM
Those alien references are far too contemporary for my taste....

How about some Peter Strauss and Molly Ringwald from Spacehunter?
http://confusedmatthew.com/images/spacehunter_adventur.jpg

What if our raiders were from Ice Pirates instead?
http://cineplex.media.baselineresearch.com/images/259171/259171_large.jpg

And Lastly, I would like to see how the beach ball from Dark Star would fare against the warmaster (or maybe bomb 20?)
http://cdn.mos.totalfilm.com/images/1/10-the-beach-ball-alien-dark-star.jpg

Deirachel
03-31-2014, 04:02 PM
BTW: Daleks?
BWAAAHAHAHAHAH.
Failed R2D2's.

You got that backwards.

The Daleks were created in 1963 (Doctor Who Series/Season 1, Episode 002 The Daleks)

R2D2 was created in 1971 at earliest (Lucas says he started writing Star Wars around the time of making THX 1138).

R2D2 was inspired by the Daleks.

Ned Kelly
03-31-2014, 04:38 PM
You got that backwards.

The Daleks were created in 1963 (Doctor Who Series/Season 1, Episode 002 The Daleks)

R2D2 was created in 1971 at earliest (Lucas says he started writing Star Wars around the time of making THX 1138).

R2D2 was inspired by the Daleks.


Thanks, glad to know someone else knows their Doctor Who.

Deirachel
03-31-2014, 04:54 PM
Thanks, glad to know someone else knows their Doctor Who.

Heck, that's just geek history!

Ned Kelly
03-31-2014, 05:02 PM
Heck, that's just geek history!

LOL yeah, I love the show. It has spawned so many of the bad guys in sci fi, still an awesome concept.

Chocolatelover67
03-31-2014, 07:18 PM
Those alien references are far too contemporary for my taste....

How about some Peter Strauss and Molly Ringwald from Spacehunter?
http://confusedmatthew.com/images/spacehunter_adventur.jpg

What if our raiders were from Ice Pirates instead?
http://cineplex.media.baselineresearch.com/images/259171/259171_large.jpg

And Lastly, I would like to see how the beach ball from Dark Star would fare against the warmaster (or maybe bomb 20?)
http://cdn.mos.totalfilm.com/images/1/10-the-beach-ball-alien-dark-star.jpg


The front of the raider trucks........ OMG now I know where that came from........ Or the inspiration anyway.

Yeah I'd like to see that last one fight Warmaster.

Deirachel
03-31-2014, 08:07 PM
As long as it's just the trucks. No space herpes, please.

Chocolatelover67
03-31-2014, 09:56 PM
As long as it's just the trucks. No space herpes, please.

Egads..... I remember that scene. That used to be one of my favourite movies when I had most of my films on VHS... I got the DVD when it came out. Anjelica Huston looked rather nice in this.

Atticus Batman
03-31-2014, 10:27 PM
I lost track. Are we doing weird, bizzare or creepy alien movies? Because I can do all 3.

Weird:
Howard the Duck (http://marvel.com/characters/bio/1010373/howard_the_duck):
http://cdn-premiere.ladmedia.fr/var/premiere/storage/images/musique/photos-musique/les-meilleurs-groupes-de-musique-fictifs-3167792/cherry-bomb-dans-howard-the-duck/56691610-1-fre-FR/Cherry-Bomb-dans-Howard-The-Duck_portrait_w858.jpg
http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/2/d0/4f7dcc9fed3c3/detail.jpg

Yep he is owned by Marvel.

Bizzare:
Rocky Horror Picture show (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073629/):
http://www.whorehole.org/posts/AlbumArt-RockyHorrorPictureShow.jpg

Yes he's an alien. Watch the movie if you didn't know that! lol

Creepy:
Zardoz (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070948/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_45):

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Bm_7agAQY5E/T56jy11wH8I/AAAAAAAABYY/wuoO0H_8SIY/s320/zardoz.jpg

Yes that is Sean Connery. You need to see the movie!

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5271686400/h3E0E753B/

Deirachel
03-31-2014, 10:41 PM
I guess I should be surprised by someone with the XMC-10-284 (Andromeda Ascendant) as an avatar knowing his/her geekdom.

Amun Ra
03-31-2014, 11:42 PM
R2D2 was created in 1971 at earliest (Lucas says he started writing Star Wars around the time of making THX 1138).

R2D2 was inspired by the DaleksHence FAILED R2D2.
I did not like the Doctor series.

Atticus Batman
03-31-2014, 11:56 PM
Hence FAILED R2D2.
I did not like the Doctor series.

Still can't be a failed R2d2 when Daleks were first. Not to mention R2 is just a robot. Daleks have actual biologic brains and are therefor cyborg, not robot. Oh and Daleks were in existence in 63. Rd wasn't created until the 70s.

Dalek Anatomy (http://www.historyvortex.org/DalekAnatomy.html)


R2D2 Blueprints (http://www.dk.co.uk/static/html/features/starwars/popupimages/starwars08_popup3.jpg)

Notice the Dalek are controlled by a biologic centerpiece. R2 is NOT.

Chocolatelover67
04-01-2014, 12:56 AM
I guess I should be surprised by someone with the XMC-10-284 (Andromeda Ascendant) as an avatar knowing his/her geekdom.

I'm geeky enough without advertising it. Haha....


I just thought of the perfect couple.

Stahma Tarr and Gul Dukat

Amun Ra
04-01-2014, 01:15 AM
Still can't be a failed R2d2 when Daleks were first. Not to mention R2 is just a robot. Daleks have actual biologic brains and are therefor cyborg, not robot. Oh and Daleks were in existence in 63. Rd wasn't created until the 70s.

Dalek Anatomy (http://www.historyvortex.org/DalekAnatomy.html)


R2D2 Blueprints (http://www.dk.co.uk/static/html/features/starwars/popupimages/starwars08_popup3.jpg)

Notice the Dalek are controlled by a biologic centerpiece. R2 is NOT.Potato, patato...
I still do not like the Doctor series. :P

Atticus Batman
04-01-2014, 01:32 AM
Potato, patato...
I still do not like the Doctor series. :P

Watch a couple episodes of each Doctor. They are currently on 12, if I remember right. My favorites were 9, 10, 7 and 3. In that order. Each incarnation of him has a completely different personality. So watch a couple of each and you may find one you like.

Amun Ra
04-01-2014, 02:02 AM
I've seen all doctors (edit: not all series, all characters, few eps of each one).
None of the personalities is one that speaks to me.
Also, I find the series too theatrical for my taste.
Childish in many cases as well.

If there is a character that I like, it'd be Amelia Pond.
Big IF there.
Not thus...

Chocolatelover67
04-01-2014, 03:30 AM
I've seen all doctors (edit: not all series, all characters, few eps of each one).
None of the personalities is one that speaks to me.
Also, I find the series too theatrical for my taste.
Childish in many cases as well.

If there is a character that I like, it'd be Amelia Pond.
Big IF there.
Not thus...


You'd be one of a few....... A lot of people didn't like Amy Pond.

I like the new companion Clara

And Peter Capaldi from "The thick of it" is the new Doctor so I might even give the series another try. Series 7 to me really stunk and was full of shtako......

Atticus Batman
04-01-2014, 03:44 AM
I've seen all doctors (edit: not all series, all characters, few eps of each one).
None of the personalities is one that speaks to me.
Also, I find the series too theatrical for my taste.
Childish in many cases as well.

If there is a character that I like, it'd be Amelia Pond.
Big IF there.
Not thus...

Maybe one of the spin-offs is more your style.

Torchwood (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0485301/)

The Sarah Jane Adventures (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0862620/)

Or maybe you would prefer a more boring political scifi altogether.

Babylon 5 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0862620/)

Knightmage
04-01-2014, 05:16 AM
I'm looking forward to Capaldi as the Doctor, especially in light of the hints that Moffett and others on the show have teased about what the style of the new Doctor might be. And I never thought they could come up with a companion that could hold a candle to Amelia Pond, but Clara is holding her own. On a sideways note I miss Torchwood, Babylon 5, and even Stargate Universe (it really needs a movie to tie up the franchise.) BTW on the earlier thread of the topic Cybermen vs. the Volge would be a pretty even matchup.

Amun Ra
04-01-2014, 05:50 AM
Maybe one of the spin-offs is more your style.

Torchwood (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0485301/)

The Sarah Jane Adventures (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0862620/)

Or maybe you would prefer a more boring political scifi altogether.

Babylon 5 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0862620/)I liked Avatar, A Clockwork Orange, Constantine, Fallen, Equilibrium, Event Horizon, things like that.
As you said, 'tis probably just me...

Ned Kelly
04-01-2014, 07:01 AM
I liked Avatar, A Clockwork Orange, Constantine, Fallen, Equilibrium, Event Horizon, things like that.
As you said, 'tis probably just me...

I like all of those except clockwork orange..... but to use a well minted phase "thats just me"

Punisher Illinois Blue
04-01-2014, 03:15 PM
The Volge seem cybernetic as do the 99er miners.

So I'm wondering what would other scifi races be like going up against them, like the Cardassians vs Castithans, or The Volge vs The Borg....

Actually Volge vs Borg would be kind of interesting as the Borg have adaptive shielding..

Castiithans would win Dark Matter probably being the soul survivores with every other faction in their race torn down.

Borg vs Volge on the other hand is tricky to figure who would win. Borg cant adapt to two things. 1 hand to hand combat. Unless abord a ship they control they have never made shielding to protect agianst hand to hand attacks. Thats something the Volge esp Sapphire Weapon and huntmasters are real good at.

2nd (and this is why the Galactic Empire or Rebs will steam roll them without knowing it.) All their ships and drones need a constant low end subspace transmission to keep them connected to the Collective. The very seconed they lose that conection they violently die OR are knocked out. If they wakeup with no connection they are affraid and or confused.

It is because of this weakness they can not eneter dense gas clouds or any area that will disrupt the transmission, hence the reason they used depth charges to force the D out of the gas cloud. The GL as standard uses tactical jammers that block passive and active scanners including subspace transmissions.

Question is do the Volge use any jammers that can block subspace transmissions? One interesting thing to point out about Volge is that when you kill one a clone of that one killed has all the memorys of the last clone which would give it a tacticle advantage question is, is it enough?

Punisher Illinois Blue
04-01-2014, 03:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN19oHTv_Vg

1 Darlek vs the entire defiance world, still not even a remote challenge for the Darlek.

I have to disagree, the Volge and the energy based speices thats part of the VC could pop open a big can of whoop ***.

Punisher Illinois Blue
04-01-2014, 03:24 PM
You got that backwards.

The Daleks were created in 1963 (Doctor Who Series/Season 1, Episode 002 The Daleks)

R2D2 was created in 1971 at earliest (Lucas says he started writing Star Wars around the time of making THX 1138).

R2D2 was inspired by the Daleks.

I don't recall G.L. ever saying he was inspired by Daleks when he created R2.

Punisher Illinois Blue
04-01-2014, 03:32 PM
Still can't be a failed R2d2 when Daleks were first. Not to mention R2 is just a robot. Daleks have actual biologic brains and are therefor cyborg, not robot. Oh and Daleks were in existence in 63. Rd wasn't created until the 70s.

Dalek Anatomy (http://www.historyvortex.org/DalekAnatomy.html)

Not all Daleks are cyborgs. Theirs a group that are cyclopse squids that use the can as a vehicle like a tank. The problems with Daleks is that they can be killed easily from falling off high places, can be stoped by rocky terrain (unless they fly), and are so obssed
with perfection they will turn on each other and kill each other.

Mudturtle Jones
04-01-2014, 03:53 PM
You guys all seem to forget that in the Star Trek universe they have hand weapons that can vaporize an enemy in one shot, one starship can lay waste to an entire planet and the ships can fight while at warp speed. None of the other major sci-fi stories have that. Also they have transporters they can use to beam stuff into or out of other ships. So, unless they're fighting Batman, Star Trek wins.

Amun Ra
04-01-2014, 04:24 PM
When the Borg would run onto Volge, there would not even be a battle.
A cube can transport 5000 Borg in a single time.
I do not know how many Volge a Volge ship would have, but thinking that a standard Cube holds appx. varying from 5000 up to a whoppping 130.000'ish drones.
That's 1 Cube.
Furthermore: a Cube is aboutish 3KM over every side (and ten times this length in volume), and STILL functions if even 75% (or was it even 80?%) was destroyed.
Now, lets check the rest: Cubes REGENERATE!
Very bad for the Volge.
Let's see for defense measures of a Cube: Adaptable Force Field, Deflector shielding, Subspace Field Generator, Electro-Magnetic Field Generator, who knows what else.
Offense: Now, in this reguion, the Cube is a formidable opponent: each side has an armament existing of laser weapons, projectile weapons, missiles, cutting beam lasers...

I once saw a video of a Borg Cube engaging a fleet (it was not official, it was a fan who's into Star Trek that made it, so... well, not REALLY valid, however, it seemed DARNED plausible): the cube rammed itself into the heart of the fleet, then began to spin around, each side of the Cube unleashing... extinction.
I have no other word for it to describe that assault.
Mayhem and terror beyond mayhem and terror.

Even more: A Cube's mobility: In ST-NG: Q Who, when the Ent. D first met the Borg, on some point the Ent. D made a run from the Borg.
Then, you saw the Cube accelerating with such speed, as if the Ent. D was almost standing still.
On another one (ST-V: Scorpion the Voy was being passed by a few Cubes, going to engage Species 8472, one Cube dropped back, to inspect the Voy.
Noticing the speed in which the ship dropped, and then speeded up to rejoin the Borg Fleet, is simply baffling, considering the sheer mass of that vessel.

Let's check for the Borg Society now: The Delta Quadrant alone held "Thousands of Cubes".

Hmmmmmnah, I do not think the Volge would stand the slightest of change.
Neither should have humans, in ST-V.
But well, TV and Films have to have a happy ending, right?

Deirachel
04-01-2014, 04:57 PM
Aman

I'm ok with you not liking DW, but to make such statements about the Daleks/R2D2 relationship is still silly. By the way, Ralph McQuarrie designed R2's look, not GL. GL had R2 as a tripod mech with a head/face full of flashing light.

I'll even give you the rest of your movie list, but Avatar is not a great story. It's impressive cinematography, but it's story is straight rip off.

Atticus, you take that back about Babylon5 being boring! You take that back RIGHT NOW YOUNG MAN! That show had PsyCorp (The Corp is Mother. The Corp is Father) and Technomages! Besides, it was an amazing change in sci-fi video art. It was the first show to use CGI exclusively for external space shots, ships, and such. Also, it was one of the first non-adaptive shows to have a full story arc written and followed before the show ever aired and only one major change to it was ever done (Sinclair/Sheridan change, because of Micheal O'Hare's health). For a show like that, it was amazing. It also showed you could get decent ratings without having a planet of the week sci-fi show with set locations and little traveling. Best part, though, is the space combat is much more realistic than just about every other space sci-fi. No banking in space, inertia matters, thrusters changing orientation of the ship, but not the vector. The Star Fury design was so good, NASA asked for permission to steal it for ISS, of course funding never showed up (DAMN YOU CONGRESS!!)

Anyway, in the Borg v. Volge debate it's not really a contest. Even with the Huntmasters and Warmasters being good at melee, the majority of the combat with them is still energy based weapons. Borg adapt fast enough they wouldn't be a threat.

Rokea
04-01-2014, 05:02 PM
BABYLON 5 WAS AWESOME! damn I miss that show

Punisher Illinois Blue
04-01-2014, 05:59 PM
You guys all seem to forget that in the Star Trek universe they have hand weapons that can vaporize an enemy in one shot, one starship can lay waste to an entire planet and the ships can fight while at warp speed. None of the other major sci-fi stories have that. Also they have transporters they can use to beam stuff into or out of other ships. So, unless they're fighting Batman, Star Trek wins.

Defiance has Syphon weapons which has been shown in a cut scene from dlc 4 to one shot vaporize/syphon its targets. In Star Wars you got pulse weapons, disruptor weapons, plasma weapons, and vaporizers used by Bothon infiltrators. Besides I am sure their is armor that prevent phasers from vaporizing the person that was shot. Otherwise Federation Marines from classic are making themselves a big target for no reason with the armor they wear.

Besides terraforming we dont know of anyway the VC could damage a planet however the Galactic Empire also has the firepower to waste a planet. They also got lots of biological and chemical weapons to kill planets to. Also Radtrooper can deploy neutron bombs to a desired target. If the targets survive any proton explosive / or proton beam fired into that area will have its destructive capabilities boosted 100 times normal by the neutrons.

As far as light speed combat SW has got that to.

Now the real bad thing about ST is that they rely on automated targeting systems to much. ECM and ECCM is nearly nonexistant in the prime universe. They have it in the SF Command universe and the AbramsTrekverse. SW has the most advanced composite sensor systems, ECM, and ECCM you will find in any scifi. Believe it or not most are still using microwave doppler or xband radar for detection. With the ECM and ECCM SW has ST will be lucky to ever hit any fighter or bombers(A-Wings and every type of TIE-Bomber are electronic warefare craft that can screwup cap ships). An Imperial 1 and 2 have a hitable range with there super heavys broadsides of 15 light min. They have a detection range of 100 light years with their subspace trainscevers alone. The ECM the cap ships have is waymore powerful than what the fighters have but I imagine at close range ven with manual targeting a ST could hit one

Rokea
04-01-2014, 06:25 PM
I think the main advantage most other sci-fi races have over the Votan (as of this moment in time as far as game and show lore go) is all other races have some sort of Orbit to ground weaponization. As I recall Amanda explains that high atmospheric travel and orbital travel became null and void once the arks broke up in obit and terraforming spikes changed the upper atmosphere. All they have is the monolith (which has limited flight capabilities) but even then a super star destroyer or a Romulan warbird can scrap that from the moons orbit pretty much.

Punisher Illinois Blue
04-01-2014, 06:27 PM
When the Borg would run onto Volge, there would not even be a battle.
A cube can transport 5000 Borg in a single time.
I do not know how many Volge a Volge ship would have, but thinking that a standard Cube holds appx. varying from 5000 up to a whoppping 130.000'ish drones.
That's 1 Cube.
Furthermore: a Cube is aboutish 3KM over every side (and ten times this length in volume), and STILL functions if even 75% (or was it even 80?%) was destroyed.
Now, lets check the rest: Cubes REGENERATE!
Very bad for the Volge.
Let's see for defense measures of a Cube: Adaptable Force Field, Deflector shielding, Subspace Field Generator, Electro-Magnetic Field Generator, who knows what else.
Offense: Now, in this reguion, the Cube is a formidable opponent: each side has an armament existing of laser weapons, projectile weapons, missiles, cutting beam lasers...

I once saw a video of a Borg Cube engaging a fleet (it was not official, it was a fan who's into Star Trek that made it, so... well, not REALLY valid, however, it seemed DARNED plausible): the cube rammed itself into the heart of the fleet, then began to spin around, each side of the Cube unleashing... extinction.
I have no other word for it to describe that assault.
Mayhem and terror beyond mayhem and terror.

Even more: A Cube's mobility: In ST-NG: Q Who, when the Ent. D first met the Borg, on some point the Ent. D made a run from the Borg.
Then, you saw the Cube accelerating with such speed, as if the Ent. D was almost standing still.
On another one (ST-V: Scorpion the Voy was being passed by a few Cubes, going to engage Species 8472, one Cube dropped back, to inspect the Voy.
Noticing the speed in which the ship dropped, and then speeded up to rejoin the Borg Fleet, is simply baffling, considering the sheer mass of that vessel.

Let's check for the Borg Society now: The Delta Quadrant alone held "Thousands of Cubes".

Hmmmmmnah, I do not think the Volge would stand the slightest of change.
Neither should have humans, in ST-V.
But well, TV and Films have to have a happy ending, right?

I dont know what to say about the Volge, we dont know what their ships can do and we dont know their numbers except that when they die they come back in a new body with all their memories.

Now as for the ship and it being able to function with it being 80% destroyed thats not exactly correct. It couldnt fight all it could do is repair itself. As far as adaptability goes it comes down to the Borg examing the weapons/tech they want resistance to. They can only do that if they survive long enough to scan it.

Now this only sticks IF this a tactic Volge would use. Tactical jammers that block subspace signals would kill the borg fast. The problem is we dont know if they use jammers and if they do, do they block subspace signals?

If it is canon huntmasters have shields than that will greatly help when fighting the borg hand to hand. The Sapphire Weapon being the brute he is I dont see drones having a good chance infecting him even more so if he is an inorganic life form.

Now if these guys dont produce lactic acids or something like it they can keep fighting in hand to hand until the Borg are dead or they die. Now if they do tire the COULD purposly kill themselves to prevent the Borg from getting resources and so they have a new body that is full of energy as long as the Borg dont find/capture their place of rebirth and the act of killing themselves to jump into a new body doesnt violet some honor code of theirs.

Chocolatelover67
04-01-2014, 07:40 PM
and what about Gul Dukat marrying Stahma Tarr, match made in heaven or not?

Seizan
04-01-2014, 07:45 PM
wort, wort, wort!

Chocolatelover67
04-01-2014, 07:58 PM
Ooh the Reapers in Mass Effect...... They'd not only kill the Borg but eat Volge as snacks.........

Who were the little short guys in life support suits? I keep forgetting their name.

Amun Ra
04-01-2014, 08:01 PM
Aman

I'm ok with you not liking DW, but to make such statements about the Daleks/R2D2 relationship is still silly. By the way, Ralph McQuarrie designed R2's look, not GL. GL had R2 as a tripod mech with a head/face full of flashing light.What can I say: both do have resemblance, even a blind man can see that, right?
Call me whatever you like, I still prefer the R2D2. :P
PS: It's Amun, with an U... XD

Avatar is not a great story. It's impressive cinematographyI agree with you, but aside from a somewhat weak story, it had DAMNED nice creatures, plants, even the Na'vi were awesomely done (despite, AGAIN, humanoid).
And be honest: sex through a network cable concealed in one's hair?
You got to admit, that was pretty neat! lmao
Wonder if they have a Gigabit Lan card stuffed up their cranial... XD

Anyway, in the Borg v. Volge debate it's not really a contest. Even with the Huntmasters and Warmasters being good at melee, the majority of the combat with them is still energy based weapons. Borg adapt fast enough they wouldn't be a threat.
What I find puzzling is: how come there's so little info on everything that is Defiance?
Racial Lore is restricted to a few lines, Tech: ditto, I mean, with the info you find on the Net, you can fill one frikken page?
What's up with that?

BTW: About Species 8472: you know why they were made right?
Because, once the Borg had a few runs, they started to notice, they made a bloody nightmare.
They HAD to come up with something to counter the Borg with.

And then there's the one where Jane goes to the Queen, to kill her off.
Apparently, he entire crew forgot one simple fact: There are more than one Queen.
Such a silly, non-cannon ending...
Pah.

Chocolatelover67
04-01-2014, 10:07 PM
And be honest: sex through a network cable concealed in one's hair?
You got to admit, that was pretty neat! lmao
Wonder if they have a Gigabit Lan card stuffed up their cranial... XD


Thank you.............. Another day with a bit of writers block and that post made me laugh loud........




What I find puzzling is: how come there's so little info on everything that is Defiance?
Racial Lore is restricted to a few lines, Tech: ditto, I mean, with the info you find on the Net, you can fill one frikken page?
What's up with that?



I suspect the writers had worked out the story but not the finer details. Most writers I imagine work out the little internal details as they write.... Hence the lack of information.



BTW: About Species 8472: you know why they were made right?
Because, once the Borg had a few runs, they started to notice, they made a bloody nightmare.
They HAD to come up with something to counter the Borg with.



Actually they were made I believe as a counter to the Borg, mainly because the writers of Voyager had messed them up so much they got nerfed..... In TNG they were a real threat but got so watered down in Voyager that they needed a new "big bad" for added drama..




And then there's the one where Jane goes to the Queen, to kill her off.
Apparently, he entire crew forgot one simple fact: There are more than one Queen.
Such a silly, non-cannon ending...
Pah.


This is true..........The Queen is only an avatar and there are many Queens controlling different sectors of Borg Space. At least that's the theory I work with.

Atticus Batman
04-01-2014, 10:50 PM
So, unless they're fighting Batman, Star Trek wins.

Thank you for the vote of confidence Jones. :cool:

http://global3.memecdn.com/i-amp-039-m-batman_o_1525169.jpg



Atticus, you take that back about Babylon5 being boring! You take that back RIGHT NOW YOUNG MAN!

What are you going to do about it? Oh that's right. You ain't gonna do a fraking thing, because............

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5533403904/h64416B11/

Deirachel
04-01-2014, 11:34 PM
[COLOR="darkred"]What are you going to do about it? Oh that's right. You ain't gonna do a fraking thing, because............


Batman isn't infallible....proof:

http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/uploads/batmanandrobin.jpg

Amun Ra
04-01-2014, 11:49 PM
Now as for the ship and it being able to function with it being 80% destroyed thats not exactly correct. It couldnt fight all it could do is repair itself.Let me look that up, this info came from the top of my mind...


Design

"The Borg cubes encountered at System J-25 and Wolf 359 were extremely large in size, measuring 28 cubic kilometers in volume, with each side measuring more than three kilometers. (TNG: "Q Who", "The Best of Both Worlds") In 2366, Commander Shelby estimated that a cube could remain operative even if 78% were inoperable. (TNG: "The Best of Both Worlds") "
Source: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Borg_cube
Seems i wasn't that far off, eh? :P

Atticus Batman
04-02-2014, 12:19 AM
Batman isn't infallible....proof:

http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/uploads/batmanandrobin.jpg

I see a babe, a doctor and an Ncis agent. All good things in MY book!

Amun Ra
04-02-2014, 12:30 AM
I see replicas of replicas which where replicas of, indeed, replicas.
Seems the world has lost their phantasy!

drackiller
04-02-2014, 01:01 AM
No one talked about the PREDATOR yet !? Or ALIEN !?
I think those 2 are tough cookies :)

Amun Ra
04-02-2014, 01:02 AM
No one talked about the PREDATOR yet !? Or ALIEN !?
I think those 2 are tough cookies :)*Chin drops*
That I forgot these, omg...
Unforgivable.

Chocolatelover67
04-02-2014, 04:52 AM
No one talked about the PREDATOR yet !? Or ALIEN !?
I think those 2 are tough cookies :)


Well the ALIEN would think "ooh nice, new hosts"

The Predator would look at all the aliens and just laugh and walk off.

Punisher Illinois Blue
04-02-2014, 10:14 AM
Ooh the Reapers in Mass Effect...... They'd not only kill the Borg but eat Volge as snacks.........

Who were the little short guys in life support suits? I keep forgetting their name.

I well say this... If the Saphire weapon is inorganic than he is screwed since Reapers hate inorganic life

Punisher Illinois Blue
04-02-2014, 10:20 AM
What can I say: both do have resemblance, even a blind man can see that, right?


What I find puzzling is: how come there's so little info on everything that is Defiance?
Racial Lore is restricted to a few lines, Tech: ditto, I mean, with the info you find on the Net, you can fill one frikken page?
What's up with that?

Pah.


Thats why I have been asking lore questions for live chat. We know WM is not the leader of the Volge and is a tank, Mother load is a Bioman 99ner, and syphon weapons were first made by humans from VBI during the pale wars.

Punisher Illinois Blue
04-02-2014, 10:23 AM
Batman isn't infallible....proof:

http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/uploads/batmanandrobin.jpg

At least the color combo is nice... Is that Ben Aflak in a black and silver dare devil suit? ;)

Punisher Illinois Blue
04-02-2014, 10:28 AM
Let me look that up, this info came from the top of my mind...


Source: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Borg_cube
Seems i wasn't that far off, eh? :P

Yeah thats pretty much what I thought, we just dont see them fight when they have that much damage. Serious damage must be done to them to keep them from regenerating.

Punisher Illinois Blue
04-02-2014, 11:28 AM
No one talked about the PREDATOR yet !? Or ALIEN !?
I think those 2 are tough cookies :)

I was avoiding the Angels of the outer gulphs and the demons that hunt them. Aliens win... What most people dont know is that these Angels are worse than the things inspired by them Neds, Zerg, Starship troopers movies and animated series( not the book) Borg.

They are an inorganic lifeform that has the ability to adapt to the threats and kill them. It is known as the Bio-imparitive. The whole spieces can adapt within hours, minutes maybe if they concoon themselves, to the needs of the commander type alien or its own personnal needs. They litterly can change every aspect of themselves even their blood, more acidic or some other biological agent.

They do not follow the laws of conversion nor do they need to eat to grow.
Because of their biology they can dictate their gestation time and growth rate.

They are nearly immune to every biological and chemical agent and the ones that do work the adapt to it.

They have exterem heat resitance. The Warriors that fought Wolf and survived his plasma caster/pistol survived plasma that was 4000 degrees c and some shots being 7000 degrees c. The last one being slightly hotter than earths core. The ravager and C Ravager were evovled for front line siege warfare it can survive the Yautja military weapon known as a blazer or double blazer which fires heat beams as hot as multiple star cores. Kanes Son survived the radioactive jet turbine in the first alien and alot of aliens survived the explosion on LV-426 as well as the 100 megaton nuke on Earth.

They can develop or have a high resistance to kinetic weapons. The Ravagers being one they can survive tanks, artillery, cap ship weapons. Their is no known armor than stop their attacks. You got Onslaught genoms, and many other adapted warriors and lurkers that can shurg off multipurpose rocket propelled grenades and can survive even being torn from their legs and later regenerate them. You Razor Claws Praterians ( manytypes). The Crusher is also a real bad one because twin linked 20mm gat cannons cant do jack to their head armor.

They have an imperfect hive mind so that alows every creature to develop its own skills and character traits.

They gain skills and the memories of their hosts. Worst case event, the host they get their hands on is a creature like the Volge or Swarm Lord which has eons of fighting exp.

For the most part unless they adapt/ evolve diffrently they see with an organ that allows them to see the world psychicly. They can see the actual thought and intentions of their prey. They can even tell if its a treat. They can see their prey even through many obsticals. Their hearing and smelling is good as well.

Their greatest leader the Queen Mother commands the entire species no mater were they are in the univers. It can even full control multiple other non Angels at anytime even controlING the dead. Lesser Queens can do this too with chestbusters known as infectoids.
They even have cults devoted to worshiping them. Tactically aliens OVERALL are almost on par with Emperor palpatine from SW.

Worst thing about them is they were designed to cleanse the universe and they have including their masters the engineers. They have awaken to find new spieces to hunt that are space fairing.

Even worse the black slime from prometheus aka royal jelly is in every alien creature. If they did lose a fight with creatures like them that in turn eats them they will themselves change into Xenomorphs.

If anyone wants refrences just be exact on which point you want it on and you will get it sunday.

Chocolatelover67
04-02-2014, 06:42 PM
I was avoiding the Angels of the outer gulphs and the demons that hunt them. Aliens win... What most people dont know is that these Angels are worse than the things inspired by them Neds, Zerg, Starship troopers movies and animated series( not the book) Borg.

They are an inorganic lifeform that has the ability to adapt to the threats and kill them. It is known as the Bio-imparitive. The whole spieces can adapt within hours, minutes maybe if they concoon themselves, to the needs of the commander type alien or its own personnal needs. They litterly can change every aspect of themselves even their blood, more acidic or some other biological agent.

They do not follow the laws of conversion nor do they need to eat to grow.
Because of their biology they can dictate their gestation time and growth rate.

They are nearly immune to every biological and chemical agent and the ones that do work the adapt to it.

They have exterem heat resitance. The Warriors that fought Wolf and survived his plasma caster/pistol survived plasma that was 4000 degrees c and some shots being 7000 degrees c. The last one being slightly hotter than earths core. The ravager and C Ravager were evovled for front line siege warfare it can survive the Yautja military weapon known as a blazer or double blazer which fires heat beams as hot as multiple star cores. Kanes Son survived the radioactive jet turbine in the first alien and alot of aliens survived the explosion on LV-426 as well as the 100 megaton nuke on Earth.

They can develop or have a high resistance to kinetic weapons. The Ravagers being one they can survive tanks, artillery, cap ship weapons. Their is no known armor than stop their attacks. You got Onslaught genoms, and many other adapted warriors and lurkers that can shurg off multipurpose rocket propelled grenades and can survive even being torn from their legs and later regenerate them. You Razor Claws Praterians ( manytypes). The Crusher is also a real bad one because twin linked 20mm gat cannons cant do jack to their head armor.

They have an imperfect hive mind so that alows every creature to develop its own skills and character traits.

They gain skills and the memories of their hosts. Worst case event, the host they get their hands on is a creature like the Volge or Swarm Lord which has eons of fighting exp.

For the most part unless they adapt/ evolve diffrently they see with an organ that allows them to see the world psychicly. They can see the actual thought and intentions of their prey. They can even tell if its a treat. They can see their prey even through many obsticals. Their hearing and smelling is good as well.

Their greatest leader the Queen Mother commands the entire species no mater were they are in the univers. It can even full control multiple other non Angels at anytime even controlING the dead. Lesser Queens can do this too with chestbusters known as infectoids.
They even have cults devoted to worshiping them. Tactically aliens OVERALL are almost on par with Emperor palpatine from SW.

Worst thing about them is they were designed to cleanse the universe and they have including their masters the engineers. They have awaken to find new spieces to hunt that are space fairing.

Even worse the black slime from prometheus aka royal jelly is in every alien creature. If they did lose a fight with creatures like them that in turn eats them they will themselves change into Xenomorphs.

If anyone wants refrences just be exact on which point you want it on and you will get it sunday.


What about the Culture? A hive mind where one of them can wipe out entire armies.

Amun Ra
04-02-2014, 09:44 PM
I was avoiding the Angels of the outer gulphs and the demons that hunt them.What series does this come from?

Atticus Batman
04-03-2014, 04:18 AM
What series does this come from?

That sounds like Biblical text there, I beleive, Amun. Either way, that reminds me of Dante's inferno. Here's a link to William Blake's illustration to Dante.

"This is Upside Down When viewd from Hells Gate

[Written in reverse direction:] But right When Viewd from Purgatory after they have passed the Center

In Equivocal Worlds Up & Down are Equivocal

Limbo


1 Charon 3 Cerberus

2 Minos 4 Plutus & Phlegyas

5 City of Dis furies & Queen of Endless Woe Lesser Circle Point of the Universe Canto Eleventh line 68

6 Minotaur The City of Dis seems to occupy the Space between the Fifth & Sixth Circles or perhaps it occupies both Circles with its Environs

7 Centaurs Most likely Dante describes the 7 8 & 9 Circles in Canto XI v 18 3 Compartments Dante calls them Cerchietti

8 Geryon Malebolge Containing 10 Gulphs

9 Lucifer Containing 9 Rounds "

http://www.blakearchive.org/exist/blake/archive/erdman.xq?id=b13.29

N3gativeCr33p
04-03-2014, 05:39 AM
Either way, that reminds me of Dante's inferno. Here's a link to William Blake's illustration to Dante.

Ever play the video game 'Dante's Inferno'? I thought it was a pretty decent take on the story, all things considered.

Ned Kelly
04-03-2014, 08:04 AM
The Doctor, the most dangerous alien alive


http://24.media.tumblr.com/a83df7c5d6f4c1270256726a2356e6fb/tumblr_mgaek1CseQ1qcwhkeo2_250.gif

Bleuford
04-03-2014, 08:26 AM
Well the ALIEN would think "ooh nice, new hosts"

The Predator would look at all the aliens and just laugh and walk off.

I agree with you completely. Once one Xenomorph pops out with Volge DNA it's game over for everybody except the Predators who would quickly be sporting their awesome new Volge/Xenomorph-Skull hats.

Atticus Batman
04-03-2014, 02:57 PM
Ever play the video game 'Dante's Inferno'? I thought it was a pretty decent take on the story, all things considered.

never. I heard it sucked.

Chocolatelover67
04-03-2014, 05:23 PM
The Doctor, the most dangerous alien alive


http://24.media.tumblr.com/a83df7c5d6f4c1270256726a2356e6fb/tumblr_mgaek1CseQ1qcwhkeo2_250.gif


Not really............


Doctor: "Oh the Volge, I know them"

steps out of TARDIS and speaks Volge greeting

Bang!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Deirachel
04-03-2014, 10:09 PM
Not really............


Doctor: "Oh the Volge, I know them"

steps out of TARDIS and speaks Volge greeting

Bang!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not likely. The Volge are biotechnical creatures. The Doctor deals with biotechnicals all the time in CyberMen.


The "angels of the outer gulph and the demon's who hunt them" are the Xenomorphs of Alien and the Predators of Predator, respectively. Punisher is talking about references to the AvP games. Yautja is the predators' name for themselves.

First, once again we are confronted with an incorrect statement. The Bugs of Starship Troopers the movies and cartoons were NOT inspired by the Xenomorphs. They were taken from the book, specifically, which everyone should read. It's much better than anything you can watch and is a totally different concept than what we see in the movies. They dumbed them down (in the book, the bugs use technology like ships and laser guns), but they were definately not inspired by Xenomorphs. (Xenomorphs were literally created to explain WHY the monster is on the ship. The creator, Ronald Shusett, woke up from a dream and decided why not make it alien r*pe to push more of our fear buttons?) Both the Bugs (Arachnids) and Xenomorph societies are inspired by eusocial insects (ants and bees).

Second, the AvP series (movie and games) are non-canon anyway. (Hell, the alien's skull/trophy in Predators 2 is non-canon.) So, there's that. (Think the LotR games, anything you do in them is not canon to the real MiddleEarth canon.) Within the canon of the AvP movies, the specifications Punisher talks about is not found, either, only in the games. Xenomorphs are injured by ordinary chemical fire and cold; the Predator weaponry kills them with ease (when used properly). Basically, it's making the mobs harder for more of a challenge at higher levels/later missions.

Ned Kelly
04-03-2014, 11:05 PM
Hmmmm big floating cube, won't stop attacking innocent life forms *materialises tardis around cube and drops it in a sun or black hole* or more simply goes back in time to genesis of creature and prevents further adaption.

And any volge attack would be negated by the tardis force field, so the only bang would be *hand to forehead* wtf do I do now.

Don't take this post too seriously, it's said in a jovial form of spirit without any form or malice or aggression, and of course a love of the greatest Sci Fi show in the world "Doctor Who"

Chocolatelover67
04-04-2014, 03:14 AM
Hmmmm big floating cube, won't stop attacking innocent life forms *materialises tardis around cube and drops it in a sun or black hole* or more simply goes back in time to genesis of creature and prevents further adaption.

And any volge attack would be negated by the tardis force field, so the only bang would be *hand to forehead* wtf do I do now.

Don't take this post too seriously, it's said in a jovial form of spirit without any form or malice or aggression, and of course a love of the greatest Sci Fi show in the world "Doctor Who"



I like that materializing the tardis around a Borg Cube......... hehe.

I don't think the Doctor would be that murderous though would he?

Amun Ra
04-04-2014, 04:00 AM
Are you kidding?
He's so paranoid and schizo, he has to be the biggest mass murderer around.

11 doctors?
No, just one, different identity over and over again, to hide his crimes.
Even... from HIMSELF...

Hell, I even bet he eats eggs!
Criminal, I tell ye. :P

Ned Kelly
04-04-2014, 04:29 AM
Are you kidding?
He's so paranoid and schizo, he has to be the biggest mass murderer around.

11 doctors?
No, just one, different identity over and over again, to hide his crimes.
Even... from HIMSELF...

Hell, I even bet he eats eggs!
Criminal, I tell ye. :P


I loved that made me lol, I bet he eats eggs.


Possibly so murderous, trapped his entire special and the darleks in an inescapable time prison.

Amun Ra
04-04-2014, 04:38 AM
Hmmmm big floating cube, won't stop attacking innocent life forms *materialises tardis around cube and drops it in a sun or black hole* or more simply goes back in time to genesis of creature and prevents further adaption.Well, this said enough.
Poor poor Borg... :(

drackiller
04-04-2014, 04:54 AM
The most badass race in this Universe is the Human race...we destroy all and everything, despite our flaws...

So i say, by our standards (hollywood standards) human race always overcome and will rule the whole UNIVERSE.

We have all sides of the force with us, no one can with stand us, NO ONE.
We are the most fierce alien race of the universe. I rest my case.

Amun Ra
04-04-2014, 04:56 AM
Actually, it's our flaws that drive us to destroying everything.
We have no respect for other things.
In many a case not even to ourself...

drackiller
04-04-2014, 04:58 AM
Actually, it's our flaws that drive us to destroying everything.
We have no respect for other things.
In many a case not even to ourself...
I rest my case bro...

Punisher Illinois Blue
04-04-2014, 11:01 AM
What about the Culture? A hive mind where one of them can wipe out entire armies.

Against the Defiance world the Culture has a lot of advantages... Since they don't like conflict however I can see lots of people in the Defiance world surviving if they are pacifist.

Against the Angels you they would run into the problem of mass long range mind control or induced madness. And in any actual conflicts they have the ability for mass contamination. It would be in their interest to just leave planets alone that have the Aliens, and hope they don't have the time to examine and then use ships and weapons.

Punisher Illinois Blue
04-04-2014, 11:02 AM
What series does this come from?

Aliens: Destroying angel. I am sorry I spelt the name wrong its Gulfs. Anyway Angels of the Outer Gulfs is one of many names Aliens / Xenomorphs have. The Demons are the Yautja aka Predators.

Punisher Illinois Blue
04-04-2014, 11:06 AM
I agree with you completely. Once one Xenomorph pops out with Volge DNA it's game over for everybody except the Predators who would quickly be sporting their awesome new Volge/Xenomorph-Skull hats.

I am not sure about that. The Yautja only like to hunt Xenomorphs in a controlled environment and from specific hosts. Humans, small primates and some (but not all) heard animals. Anything else is to dangerous even with weapons they use for War and not hunting.

Amun Ra
04-04-2014, 11:34 AM
What about say the SG Replicators?
There's plenty of resources scattered around...
How would they fare?

Punisher Illinois Blue
04-04-2014, 11:43 AM
First, once again we are confronted with an incorrect statement. The Bugs of Starship Troopers the movies and cartoons were NOT inspired by the Xenomorphs.They were taken from the book, specifically, which everyone should read.

The bugs are dramatically different in the book as apposed to the Xenomorphs. Even the weapons and vehicles used in the animated series where direct ripoff of the weapons and vehicles used in Aliens.



It's much better than anything you can watch and is a totally different concept than what we see in the movies. They dumbed them down (in the book, the bugs use technology like ships and laser guns),

I have to disagree about the quality of the book. I find the people in it strange OR ignorant, especially the polices they have for the mentally ill. The designs for the armor are ridicules, if you fall down your dead, or should be.



but they were definately not inspired by Xenomorphs. (Xenomorphs were literally created to explain WHY the monster is on the ship. The creator, Ronald Shusett, woke up from a dream and decided why not make it alien r*pe to push more of our fear buttons?)

Dan O'bannon was the creator of the Alien and the concept of its procreation.



Second, the AvP series (movie and games) are non-canon anyway. (Hell, the alien's skull/trophy in Predators 2 is non-canon.) So, there's that. (Think the LotR games, anything you do in them is not canon to the real MiddleEarth canon.)

Actually the movies, games (as long as they are not movie games), novels and comics are all canon.

Here is my reference for ACM, and they in that article say that the above sources all take place in the same universe.
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2011/08/25/gearbox-on-creating-a-canon-with-aliens-colonial-marines/#more-46236

Here is the writer from Prometheus confirming that AvP are canon

https://twitter.com/jonspaihts/status/174584310261751809

Here are the writers for the 4 new, Alien, Predator, Prometheus, and AvP comics confirming that it canon and so is the old stories.

http://io9.com/see-dark-horses-first-alien-predator-avp-and-prometh-1500505424



Within the canon of the AvP movies, the specifications Punisher talks about is not found, either, only in the games.

The reference for Wolfs plasma caster, it firing 4000 degree c and 7000 degree c Plasma bolts is from the blu-ray AvP:R
The reference for the Aliens surviving 100 megaton nukes is from Aliens: Female Wars. As for the others being from lore within the game or cut-scenes that doesn't change the fact that they can do those things.

The reference for the Alien surviving the radioactive blasts from the escape pod is from Alien, and the Colonial Marines techmanual.



Xenomorphs are injured by ordinary chemical fire

They are not ordinary. The Flamethrower used by Colonial Marines fires napalm that is 1200 c degrees and has thermite and magniusm in it AND some times uranium fragments. To make a comparison the promethium in Warhammer 40k only burns at 800 c degrees. Reference is ACM. Take in mind if they are being hurt by the napalm its because it is a constant burn, it is doubt full it would do anything to Ravager since it can survive heat-beams equal to multiple star cores in heat.



and cold;

Cold doesn't hurt them. In res it just pissed them off.




the Predator weaponry kills them with ease (when used properly). Basically, it's making the mobs harder for more of a challenge at higher levels/later missions.

Take in mind those weapons are constructed using elements from the Alien biology hence why they are very sharp and resistant to damage.

Punisher Illinois Blue
04-04-2014, 11:57 AM
What about say the SG Replicators?
There's plenty of resources scattered around...
How would they fare?

Defiance could win only if everyone puts their differences aside and then mass produces Syphon weapons, or somehow gains access to the terraforming equipment and uses it at the right time if they come to earth. Other than that I think Defiance Earth may be in trouble... Also the likely hood of the above happening is not good. Even if they do it, and survive their is a chance now that the alliance would disband and so now you have lots of enemy's walking around with very powerful weapons with high rates of fire that only require one beam to kill people.