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N1ghtShadow
03-31-2014, 07:37 PM
Consider this a request: I'm sure that many of us would like to have the option of reporting known griefers/trolls in a more expedient manner. Y'know the jerks I'm referring to- the ones who come into a WarMaster arena that has only 10 people in it, strolls around for a few moments and then suddenly goes about busting locks even when people gang up around him and send him messages to stop both privately and publicly. That Guy.

For me, tonight, it was a player known as Name / Shame removed, a member of Name / Shame removed.

Actually, Name / Shame removed seems to spawn a great deal of griefers from their clan. More often than not, it's either one of them or one of the 5kGoing group that ends up screwing everyone over, like they're the only ones playing it and everyone else is just an NPC and hardly worth notice.

These kinds of jerks need to be put in their place. Reporting them (which I've done a few times in the past) doesn't seem to have any kind of appreciable effect, which leads me to suspect that Trion's take on 'em is "Meh. So what?"

So... is that it? Is Trion too afraid of backlash from a single pissed off gamer if their account gets frozen, even when there's a dozen others who are even more pissed off because it doesn't?

It comes down to this: just because you CAN do a thing, it doesn't necessarily follow that you SHOULD. Trion tries to present itself as a conscientious game development company that is 100% interested in ensuring that their players get the best possible experience. If that's true, then here's what I suggest:

If a particular player gets a certain amount of complaints levied against them (let's say 20, just to throw out a number) in a short period of time, then that player should come under investigation by Trion. Their records should be looked at to see if the complaints hold merit and, if they do, that player should have their account frozen for 30 days.

The ONLY reason griefers and trolls continue to plague MMO communities like this one is because there is no real reporting system in place to keep them in check. Oh, sure, they can just go create a new account after one's been locked down, but if we, the average players who just want a positive gaming experience, make a habit of reporting such jerks, then they'll FINALLY get the hint that the community at large won't stand for their antics anymore.

Or... am I just being a twit?

N3gativeCr33p
03-31-2014, 07:47 PM
Yeah, I agree with most of what you've said. Bravo!

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Deirachel
03-31-2014, 08:21 PM
I agree with this in theory. But, something in particular has to happen before this can be implemented.

Greifing has to be made a rule violation.

At current, it's not a violation of the EULA/ToS.


C. RULES RELATED TO GAME PLAY

While a Game may permit various styles of game play (including, for example, “player versus player” type combat), certain acts cannot be construed as “fair” and are considered serious violations of these Terms of Use. Those acts include, but are not necessarily limited to, the following:

i. Using or exploiting errors in design, features which have not been documented, and/or “program bugs” to gain access that is otherwise not available, or to obtain a competitive advantage over other players;

ii. Participate in any action that, in the sole and absolute opinion of Trion, results or may result in an authorized user of the Game being “scammed” or defrauded out of gold, weapons, armor or any other items that the user has earned or purchased through authorized game play in the Game (including but not limited to participation in player-run casinos, including those that utilize the roll mechanic);

iii. Conduct prohibited by the EULA or elsewhere in these Terms of Use; and

iv. Anything that Trion considers contrary to or inconsistent with the “spirit” of the Game.

Some would say Greifing is contrary to the spirit of the Game. But, from the game website, on the "What is an Arkhunter?" page, we find this gem of a sentance:



Ark Hunters must fight off other competition both human and alien if they wish to claim the rare minerals and Arktech from the heart of an arkfall for their own.

Sometimes fighting off other competition is a simple as denying anyone (including yourself) the chance to claim something.

The greifers need to go; they are why I don't even do the WM most of the time. But, we've got to get Trion to make it a rule violation first.

Nefarious
03-31-2014, 09:00 PM
Yeah nothing like signing in to play and seeing a clan message of the day saying 'Report (insert name here) for being a griefer for the fact that he talked bad about us/so & so doesn't like him'. And everyone in a clan falsely accusing a player for griefing since they are just butt hurt over something.

No one would use it seriously.

Atticus Batman
03-31-2014, 10:47 PM
Yeah nothing like signing in to play and seeing a clan message of the day saying 'Report (insert name here) for being a griefer for the fact that he talked bad about us/so & so doesn't like him'. And everyone in a clan falsely accusing a player for griefing since they are just butt hurt over something.

No one would use it seriously.

Nerfy, for once I think I may completely agree with you!

Deunan
03-31-2014, 11:04 PM
Judging by their actions, and lack thereof, the only thing one can take from them is that Trion's Defiance team doesn't care about the in game conduct of any player, and even if they did they simply don't have the resources to do anything about it. The only things they've done in that regard is enable griefers and turn a blind eye to their role in it. It's simply unrealistic to expect any of members of Trion's Defiance team to lift a finger about griefing inside Major Arkbreaks when they've deliberately created much better incentives to do so then ever have existed before and given players far more griefing tools to do so.

Deunan
04-01-2014, 12:12 AM
Greifing has to be made a rule violation.It already is. The EULA and TOS incorporate Trion World's Code of Conduct which prohibits griefing and gives it a broad definition subject to Trion's discretion in determining what constitutes the same. Griefing is considered to be a form of harassment which in turn is considered to be a minor violation of the Code of Conduct (not to be confused with the forums Code of Conduct).

...To "grief" simply means that you are trying to negatively impact the game play experience of another player...

drackiller
04-01-2014, 12:58 AM
LOL, why call that people "griefers", particularly in the WM, if the EGO bluntly says to break the locks !?

They are not doing anything wrong, there is no writen rule forbiding that, so nothing wrong.

I`m against all kinds of reports in a game because like Nefarious said, it would be used in the wrong way.

Ps: i`m in no way agreeing that those people are right but they are not wrong either. Fault the game, not the players.

Amun Ra
04-01-2014, 02:09 AM
OP got an infraction for his post?
Did I miss something here???

IMHO he has a valid point, if he's being harrassed.

Oh, he filled in names... not good.
Hence the Infraction, missed that one for a sec. *sigh*

My apologies.

Overwatch
04-01-2014, 07:43 AM
LOL, why call people "grievers", particularly in the WM, if the EGO bluntly says to break the locks !?

They are not doing anything wrong, there is no written rule forbidding that, so nothing wrong.

I`m against all kinds of reports in a game because like Nefarious said, it would be used in the wrong way.

Ps: i`m in no way agreeing that those people are right but they are not wrong either. Fault the game, not the players.

I have not yet seen a rule that states we must wait for X amount of people before breaking WM locks.
Next we will see a complaint about kill stealing and how to report people for taking your kills.

mr8liner
04-01-2014, 08:15 AM
The best way i see it is the only real thing they can do is turn the WM into a private event. If one person puts down all 4 batteries, it is then considered private. The only way to get in then is to get a group invite. The people that you invite are allowed to invite others. So then if you were to get timed out you can get back in fairly easy.

I have enough people on my friends list and in my clan that it would take no time at all to get the room filled. I know other have enough as well.

Then if someone gets invited in and breaks the locks too early, the person who put down all 4 batteries has the right to kick them out. You can also find out who invited that person and not invite them in any more.

I have been keeping my daily/weekly contracts. I have enough batteries to do about 20 WM. And until something is fixed in there i'll just let them stack up in my claims.

Knightmage
04-01-2014, 08:23 AM
Would Spawn Camping in PVP be considered greefing? I'm just a little tired of respawning and dying before I can take a step because I've been headshot from a distance, or shot with a zagger from point blank behind.

N3gativeCr33p
04-01-2014, 08:39 AM
Would Spawn Camping in PVP be considered greefing?

In my opinion? Absolutely!

Kasscade
04-01-2014, 09:34 AM
Hi;

I know from past experience that the first time I did the warmaster I wondered why everyone was standing around & started shooting off the locks. People swarmed me & I got the message & stopped. Same happened with a one of my Clan members last week. Now I run around with my sword & try to stop people who may innocently make the same mistake. That being said I have seen those "TOOLS" who intentionally break the locks on the WM or even go around being generally annoying in Game. I have found dealing with these people an effort if futility most times as It's hard to find information on some of their clans & who leads them (To complain to their clan leader) or to even get a GMs attention to address them.

We of THE CHILDREN OF THE PHOENIX don't stand for that kind of behaviour from our members. We have an 8 page BYLAW PDF that lists our clan rules. Example...

3.02 ALL MEMBERS (Leader, Officers, clan Councilors, General members & Probationary members alike) will observe the following code of conduct.
a) Represent yourself & your clan with the highest respect & dignity for yourself, your clan & of other players at all times & in all circumstances
***
c) HARASSMENT, INTIMIDATION & BULLYING of anyone in or out of clan is NOT allowed for any reason.
***
3.03 - Disciplinary action taken for breaking any of the above rules can result in any of the disciplinary actions as listed in article 2 up to & including expulsion from the clan.

If anyone wants to read our bylaws they are up at http://cotpdefiance.weebly.com/bylaws.html

If any of my people EVER act inappropriately I HOPE people would contact me either in game or by email. I take infractions seriously.

dramaQkarri
04-01-2014, 09:47 AM
Or... am I just being a twit?

I AGREE something should be done about griefers.

But apparently Trion thinks the OP is being a twit, as the post received an infraction. Censorship at it's finest. At the risk of my own infraction, I will protest this infraction cuz once again, FREE SPEECH is being trampled. Trion employees must've got their feewings hurt, I see nothing particularly objectionable in the post.

BACK TO THE POINT:
OP has a valid point - unfortunately dealing with griefers - AKA bullies - is not something that can easily be handled. Generally if they get ignored, they get bored and stop it and go annoy someone or something else. I've challenged these type of people and it doesn't work out well. But I do get their name out there an dothers are wary of them!! These little bullies generally are the type that WILL get in trouble for other stuff - such as name-calling in zone type chat, etc. and after awhile I don't see them anymore. If they get reported enough, they do get suspended it seems. Or they go to some other game I guess.

N3gativeCr33p
04-01-2014, 09:51 AM
feewings

Water... meet iPhone. Hilarious!

hey u
04-01-2014, 10:12 AM
The problem is when Trion creates something and gives the power of a player over other players. Back in the day it really sucked when playing a co-op map and our group got to the end where all 4 must stand in and hold down a button well 3/4 people would be standing in the blue circle while 1 person would stand outside of it aiming at us and jumping up and down not letting us go and fight the boss so after 5 minutes of waiting and hoping he would stand in the circle to finish it would become obvious that he would not so we would back out and restart not being able to finish the end of the map.

If Trion were to put some more thought into people who like to grief other players and create maps and events with that in mind and create things that don't give the power of grief to any one player than the content would be a lot better for everyone.

Don't let the power of one ruin it for the power of many.

DSW
04-01-2014, 11:00 AM
The problem is when Trion creates something and gives the power of a player over other players. Back in the day it really sucked when playing a co-op map and our group got to the end where all 4 must stand in and hold down a button well 3/4 people would be standing in the blue circle while 1 person would stand outside of it aiming at us and jumping up and down not letting us go and fight the boss so after 5 minutes of waiting and hoping he would stand in the circle to finish it would become obvious that he would not so we would back out and restart not being able to finish the end of the map.

If Trion were to put some more thought into people who like to grief other players and create maps and events with that in mind and create things that don't give the power of grief to any one player than the content would be a lot better for everyone.

Don't let the power of one ruin it for the power of many.

i think that could easily be fixed by adding instance kick together with group kick (for now you can kick that moron out of group, but (s)he still will be on map and accounted for by the game)

RAGEFIGHTER
04-01-2014, 11:05 AM
as i can see forum moderators doo not agree with you man :)

Lillith Valerian
04-01-2014, 04:27 PM
FREE SPEECH is being trampled.

Mod actions have *absolutely nothing* to do with free speech. NOTHING. It's embarrassing when people keep making this claim, because it makes it painfully obvious that they don't know the first thing about the actual concept of free speech. It doesn't violate free speech to tell a guest to shut the hell up and throw them out of your house. A forum is no different. *Please*, people....take the time to learn this concept, because you only shoot your own valid points in the foot when you claim this.

Having said that, the 'name and shame' policy is idiotic. Many, many people have gotten ripped off needlessly by predators that couldn't be called out here on the forums without being infracted. It ranks up there with the absurd, anti-criticism policy of getting infracted for 'discussing mod actions'.

TAG
04-01-2014, 04:32 PM
Guess I'm alone when I think its funny to see people get their panties in a bunch.

Tyrannos
04-01-2014, 05:36 PM
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