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Overtkill21
04-10-2014, 07:56 AM
So - about Arkforge:


We get 1000 of it IF we buy the DLC.


We have a chance to get 20-50 Arkforge from Tier 2-4 boxes as well as Faction Vendor Supply Crates.


We can purchase Arkforge in the Defiance Store - 1000 Arkforge for $40.00 USD (Yeah you read that right - FORTY DOLLARS)


We can earn trickles of Arkforge from world events - 180K score on an event = 8 (EIGHT) Ark Forge


Ok so there seems to be a very large disparity in the amount of Arkforge that is dished out.

If we earn 20-50 from a lockbox - then why on Earth would we only earn 8 for a massive 180K score???!!??

Are there any plans to revisit this?

Ironhide
04-10-2014, 08:02 AM
So - about Arkforge:


We get 1000 of it IF we buy the DLC.


We have a chance to get 20-50 Arkforge from Tier 2-4 boxes as well as Faction Vendor Supply Crates.


We can purchase Arkforge in the Defiance Store - 1000 Arkforge for $40.00 USD (Yeah you read that right - FORTY DOLLARS)


We can earn trickles of Arkforge from world events - 180K score on an event = 8 (EIGHT) Ark Forge


Ok so there seems to be a very large disparity in the amount of Arkforge that is dished out.

If we earn 20-50 from a lockbox - then why on Earth would we only earn 8 for a massive 180K score???!!??

Are there any plans to revisit this?

40 bucks for 1000 Arkforge? *SMH*

The game is only worth 7 to 10 bucks... I will never pay for a virtual Item that is worth more than the game itself....

N3gativeCr33p
04-10-2014, 08:23 AM
We can purchase Arkforge in the Defiance Store - 1000 Arkforge for $40.00 USD (Yeah you read that right - FORTY DOLLARS)

Meh... I'll just save myself $10 and keep my DCUO Legendary subscription running on principle alone.

LOL... $40? What a sham. Keep it!

mr8liner
04-10-2014, 08:30 AM
The price you pay for arkforge depens on how you get you bits.

$5=400 bits 1 arkforge cost $.05 each or 50= $2.50 1000x.05= $50

$20 = 1800 bits 1 arkforge cost $.036 each or 50 = $1.80 1000x$.036= $36

$50 = 5200 bits 1 arkforge cost $.031 each or 50 = $1.55 1000x$.031 = $31

Just thought I would but that up there. In any case you can clearly see that getting Arkforge with bits is a HUGE rip off.

So very 100 level increase will cost between $1.55 and $2.50.

Pandur
04-10-2014, 08:36 AM
So is Trion trying to win the price for the best cash grab in the year ?
Or why are the trying to compete with PWE, Nexon and the like on cash grabs ? Hell i think even Nexon isn't that bad.

Ironhide
04-10-2014, 08:44 AM
So is Trion trying to win the price for the best cash grab in the year ?
Or why are the trying to compete with PWE, Nexon and the like on cash grabs ? Hell i think even Nexon isn't that bad.

No clue who those other two companys are, but apparently Trion forgets that it is a Multi-platform game now. Large cash grabs maybe Standard ops for them on computer, but on consoles those types of cash grabs deters any player from buying anything. They need to hire some marketing people who understand console micro transactions.

Pandur
04-10-2014, 08:49 AM
No clue who those other two companys are, but apparently Trion forgets that it is a Multi-platform game now. Large cash grabs maybe Standard ops for them on computer, but on consoles those types of cash grabs deters any player from buying anything. They need to hire some marketing people who understand console micro transactions.

Well Nexon and Perfect world entertainment usually make the general korean grinder type games. They're usually build up on having a smaller player base with alot of whales(people that spend hundreds and thousands of dollars on those games).
Everything can be gotten in game too but it is extremely grindy, it can also be bought for very high prices with RL cash, it sounds alot like the direction Trion is heading.

I don't know i can only assume that defiance is badly struggling if they stoop to those levels.

Overtkill21
04-10-2014, 09:30 AM
I like bigguy's idea to add an Arktech Revolution Daily Rewards Box.

We'd get 25 Arkforge daily for those that own the DLC, have some scrip and keys in there to follow the convention set by Arkbreaker and BAM. Solved.

OrpheusXI
04-10-2014, 04:10 PM
So is Trion trying to win the price for the best cash grab in the year ?
Or why are the trying to compete with PWE, Nexon and the like on cash grabs ? Hell i think even Nexon isn't that bad.

So, are you fellow Mapler? No cash shop can top Maplestory. You can drop 5k and still not be godly. I mean you can be top tier with great players but still.

Nexon is BAD man, you must not play maple actually to think they aren't bad. Nexon is a joke now. Only they can get away with how bad they are, I know not one other f2p that bad.

Pandur
04-11-2014, 12:57 AM
So, are you fellow Mapler? No cash shop can top Maplestory. You can drop 5k and still not be godly. I mean you can be top tier with great players but still.

Nexon is BAD man, you must not play maple actually to think they aren't bad. Nexon is a joke now. Only they can get away with how bad they are, I know not one other f2p that bad.

Nah my experience with Nexon was with Vindictus, it was actually a really fun game, till i realized i'll have to shell out 100s of $ to keep competing at some point.
I heard stories about maple being the big brother of cash grabs but i never tried that one lol.

I steered away from them since then.
The scheme Trion is pulling feels alot of the same, random drop boxes for insane prices with a good chance to have nothing of worth in them. Check.
Insane prices to upgrade your weapons to stay competetive. Check.
Extreme grind and miniscule gaint to get the currency without paying money. Check.

The only thing they didn't do is give the weapons a chance to break on an upgrade attempt(which can be mitigated by buying a store item), ah hell i think i just gave them an idea.

Bonehead
04-11-2014, 01:05 AM
I like bigguy's idea to add an Arktech Revolution Daily Rewards Box.

We'd get 25 Arkforge daily for those that own the DLC, have some scrip and keys in there to follow the convention set by Arkbreaker and BAM. Solved.

I like the idea too but you gotta know there is no way in hell something like that would happen when it would cut into the possible bit store sales.

duction
04-11-2014, 01:28 AM
Let us use ark salvage to buy arkforge!

wartitan
04-11-2014, 09:47 AM
My experience with Nexon was Combat Arms, fun game to play (even spent some dough on it), but the hackers just got way too bad. Everyone was running the knife kill everything from spawn, just got to the point where you couldn't find a game without one of those hacks...

That being said, CA wasn't particularly a cash grab, you could compete if you had some skill, wasn't really too bad in terms of P2W...

Overtkill21
04-11-2014, 09:50 AM
I like the idea too but you gotta know there is no way in hell something like that would happen when it would cut into the possible bit store sales.

I think the massive dropoff in new players due to the ridiculous levels of griefing that is coming will hurt those bit sales just a little bit more...

Overwatch
04-11-2014, 10:25 AM
Let me see if I understand you correctly or am following this post.
1000 forge for 40$ at the best possible deal and in simplest of terms
100 forge for 4$.....see all I did was drop the zero
Now it cost 100 forge to level something up or should I say 4$
Seems fair enough for those that do not want to grind and prefer instant overnight 5K ego warriors.

Ironhide
04-11-2014, 10:43 AM
Let me see if I understand you correctly or am following this post.
1000 forge for 40$ at the best possible deal and in simplest of terms
100 forge for 4$.....see all I did was drop the zero
Now it cost 100 forge to level something up or should I say 4$
Seems fair enough for those that do not want to grind and prefer instant overnight 5K ego warriors.


50 arkforge to level a weapon up 100, so if you have a 2,000 rated weapon and your level 5,000, then 4 bucks is only gonna raise your weapon to 2,200. A 1000 arkforge if my math is correct, will raise your weapon to 4,000 if said weapon is level 2,000

drackiller
04-11-2014, 10:54 AM
I guess i`ll just keep some weapons for my low level chars, scrap the rest and just play with pick ups.
Not going to spend another euro in this game untill i see changes for the best.
No more EUROS from me TRION.
I helped the game in my way, i bought inventory slots and i have currently 319 slots, i`m sure that others have many more than me but only in slots it`s a lot of money, at least to me.
I bought a NOMAD, regreted that almost instantly.

But never spent a cent on lockboxs and i`ll not spend one cent on the new currency. I`ll play with what the game provides and i`ll try to have fun...try.

AnGeL
04-11-2014, 10:58 AM
50 arkforge to level a weapon up 100, so if you have a 2,000 rated weapon and your level 5,000, then 4 bucks is only gonna raise your weapon to 2,200. A 1000 arkforge if my math is correct, will raise your weapon to 4,000 if said weapon is level 2,000

There you go.

100 EGo lvls PER 50 Arkforge:

If 1000 akforge is $40, then to raise your gun 2000 levels how do you get to "$4 to raise your guns ego?" my math sucks and even that is a no brainer...wouldint it be closer to $40? (that cant be right either...)

mulcherman
04-19-2014, 02:13 AM
Let us use ark salvage to buy arkforge!

I totally agree with this. I'm Not shelving out NO money to buy Ark forge bits.

Critical Errors
04-19-2014, 03:45 AM
I recently saw the PC version of Defiance in the bargain bin.
Cost was roughly $5.00 and included 500 bits. Lol ;p

Darth_Nikon
04-19-2014, 07:01 PM
OK I went ahead and threw a spreadsheet at it: Google spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlmU7IMlz-9bdFBRY2ZLWUlSVE9DWlQ4UFdlTHY2Q3c&usp=sharing)

If anyone sees an error in this let me know, but I believe the formulas are good based on the 400B/$5-50-300Af/500Af being evenly divisible. I didn't bother with White gear, I didn't have any in my inventory to check the upgrade Af cost.

TL;DR here's the list of cost to level from 2000-4000 (i.e. 20 upgrades):


Orange 400B/50 & 300Af 400B/500Af
$50 $40.00
1800B/50 & 300Af 1800B/500Af
44.4444444444444 30.7692307692308
5200B/50 & 300Af 5200B/500Af
44.4444444444444 30.7692307692308

Purple 400B/50 & 300Af 400B/500Af
$20 $16.00
1800B/50 & 300Af 1800B/500Af
17.7777777777778 14.2222222222222
5200B/50 & 300Af 5200B/500Af
15.3846153846154 12.3076923076923

Blue 400B/50 & 300Af 400B/500Af
$8 $6.40
1800B/50 & 300Af 1800B/500Af
7.11111111111111 5.68888888888889
5200B/50 & 300Af 5200B/500Af
6.15384615384615 4.92307692307692

Green 400B/50 & 300Af 400B/500Af
$4 $3.20
1800B/50 & 300Af 1800B/500Af
3.55555555555556 2.84444444444444
5200B/50 & 300Af 5200B/500Af
3.07692307692308 2.46153846153846

So Hahahaohnooooo. Just over $30 at minimum to upgrade an orange from 2000 to 4000? Nope.

Though I suppose I could grind forever and hope to get lucky in lockboxes or something, but that has the disadvantage of grinding forever.

(Sorry about the table but I don't know how to format it any better in the forum. Looks better on the spreadsheet at the link.)