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ConcreteSnake
08-05-2014, 11:06 AM
*To balance the accrual rate of Keycodes, we have increased the purchase cost of Keycodes on Lock Box Merchants, rebalanced the rewards gained from score in events, and updated equipment drop rates from enemies

http://forums.defiance.com/showthread.php?170189-Defiance-2.2-Silicon-Valley

I have a feeling this will negatively impact players in an attempt to drive them to the bit store. What are your thought? Lets speculate until we experience it first hand.

Jeronan
08-05-2014, 11:09 AM
Every update so far has been to "entice" (read push) People to the bit store.

This change will be no different. /shrug

Seriously start to get hate feeling towards TRION atm.

I used to respect them quite a bit during the early days with RIFT.

Oh how the mightly have fallen and sunk so low! :mad:

This game used to be good around launch. Sure some issues and bugs and dissapointment of the small map, but it was a good game overall. Focussed on horizontal progression and pretty balanced.

Now they turned it into a stupid vertical progression themepark cash grab! :mad:

RobDaCool
08-05-2014, 11:14 AM
Every update so far has been to "entice" (read push) People to the bit store.

Well considering I can live without those shotguns & grenades I usually get from Lockboxes, nothing will "entice" me to go to the bitstore lol

Combo Breaker
08-05-2014, 11:14 AM
I read:

You get to many keys so we are reducing that.
T4 boxes now cost more. (hahahahaha evil laugh)
No more stim or spike drops. Please visit the cash shop(or vendor).

Combo Breaker
08-05-2014, 11:16 AM
From what I read about Rift's free to pay to play, this is about par for the course.

NeuroticHitman
08-05-2014, 11:18 AM
*To balance the accrual rate of Keycodes, we have increased the purchase cost of Keycodes on Lock Box Merchants, rebalanced the rewards gained from score in events, and updated equipment drop rates from enemies
http://forums.defiance.com/showthread.php?170189-Defiance-2.2-Silicon-Valley
I have a feeling this will negatively impact players in an attempt to drive them to the bit store. What are your thought? Lets speculate until we experience it first hand.

Sounds like cryptic talk for "we're about to shaft all of you"...go to our bits store and PAY TO WIN...errr wait...we said we wouldn't do that...whatever...
Go to the bits store and PAY TO WIN!!!!

ConcreteSnake
08-05-2014, 11:19 AM
I read:

You get to many keys so we are reducing that.
T4 boxes now cost more. (hahahahaha evil laugh)
No more stim or spike drops. Please visit the cash shop(or vendor).

I'm seeing the same thing, with a Nerf to loot drop rates and quality to make us buy lockboxes, which now cost more, and we will get less keys naturally by decreasing the "rewards" of forge and keys from events.

TalynOne
08-05-2014, 11:28 AM
I've bought over a thousand lock boxes using keys, i can't think of any weapon I use regularly from one. They could decrease it to one key per year and it wouldn't affect me. Anyone who buys a lock box from the bit store has more money than brains.

Marek Sari
08-05-2014, 11:29 AM
Making Keycodes cost more... so what, 50 - 100% on the prices. 15 - 20k Ark Salvage and 7.5k - 10k scrip for 10 keys. Sounds about right considering their need to have us go to the bit store for every little thing. As for adjusting loot rate and the drops on bosses, this means less keys from doing stuff. I suspect that will get nerfed about 20%, maybe 30%. Nothing much when you look at a single arkfall, but when you are building for 64 or 75 for a purple box... it adds up. However I think the boxes will cost the same number of keycodes. They said they are increasing how much keycodes cost on lockboxes. Nothing about increasing lockbox prices. So shuuuuush, you'll give them ideas!

xxxxmingoxxxx
08-05-2014, 11:41 AM
hey snake i think the new players wont know the difference and tell us to stop complaining . then theyll be gone in a month if that.

Sevrin
08-05-2014, 11:41 AM
Just wondering: Has anyone EVER received a weapon or shield from the coffin boxes that they actually used, liked, leveled and kept? Just wondering. (I have no idea how many I've opened with keys but hundreds for sure. Never kept one except to fool around with for a while.) The only good weapons or shields I've ever received came from AF rewards.

RobDaCool
08-05-2014, 11:47 AM
Just wondering: Has anyone EVER received a weapon or shield from the coffin boxes that they actually used, liked, leveled and kept? Just wondering. (I have no idea how many I've opened with keys but hundreds for sure. Never kept one except to fool around with for a while.) The only good weapons or shields I've ever received came from AF rewards.

I have, until I reached EGO of about 500 or so, then most are useless. Unless i was working on leveling a certain weapon up to 20, then I keep it if, and I say if, it drops out of the lockbox.

N3gativeCr33p
08-05-2014, 11:49 AM
Sounds like cryptic talk for "we're about to shaft all of you"...go to our bits store and PAY TO WIN...errr wait...we said we wouldn't do that...whatever...
Go to the bits store and PAY TO WIN!!!!

Indeed... sounds about right!

http://www.unilever.com.au/Images/vaseline-450x450_tcm72-298021.jpg

Combo Breaker
08-05-2014, 11:50 AM
Indeed... sounds about right!

http://www.unilever.com.au/Images/vaseline-450x450_tcm72-298021.jpg

I can't stand racist Vasoline.

N3gativeCr33p
08-05-2014, 11:51 AM
I can't stand racist Vasoline.

Funny... I can't stand companies that go out of their way to infuriate their consumer base.

crazyged
08-05-2014, 11:54 AM
I haven't kept a single weapon from the boxes - Pretty much everything has been rubbish, even the very few OJs.

Anything worth keeping has all been pickups from events.

Jeronan
08-05-2014, 11:56 AM
I haven't kept a single weapon from the boxes - Pretty much everything has been rubbish, even the very few OJs.

Anything worth keeping has all been pickups from events.

I am pretty sure they are taking care of that too in todays update in their loot rebalancing efforts! No worries!

Z0mb1E
08-05-2014, 11:58 AM
I haven't kept a single weapon from the boxes - Pretty much everything has been rubbish, even the very few OJs.

Anything worth keeping has all been pickups from events.

Yes they're sorry you managed to pick up good equipment from events, they're working to fix that now.

lukeskyw
08-05-2014, 12:03 PM
I read:

You get to many keys so we are reducing that.
T4 boxes now cost more. (hahahahaha evil laugh)
No more stim or spike drops. Please visit the cash shop(or vendor).

The T4 lock bos doesn't cost more keycode. It's just the keycode drop rate and cost when buying them directly from the merchants that's change.
While the random isn't fixe, it won't really change the way people play.

Combo Breaker
08-05-2014, 12:05 PM
The T4 lock bos doesn't cost more keycode. It's just the keycode drop rate and cost when buying them directly from the merchants that's change.
While the random isn't fixe, it won't really change the way people play.

You mean the scrip cost?

Kyosji
08-05-2014, 12:06 PM
Will there at least be items dropping from the lock boxes now? The last 2 tier 4 boxed I bought were empty.

Marek Sari
08-05-2014, 12:12 PM
Kyo, you will still have got items from them, just no pop ups to tell you what it was. Had it myself, not to worry dude.

Kyosji
08-05-2014, 12:17 PM
Um, no i don't, actually. Unless they are also invisible in my inventory, or purples change to blues and greens, and the name and icon changed as well. I know I have a ticket submitted for it, what little that seems to do here.

Kyosji
08-05-2014, 12:18 PM
* To balance the accrual rate of Keycodes, we have increased the purchase cost of Keycodes on Lock Box Merchants, rebalanced the rewards gained from score in events, and updated equipment drop rates from enemies.

What does this exactly mean? Mainly on the rewards gained and equipment drops. The game gives so little in terms of information.

Milkweed
08-05-2014, 12:27 PM
I read:

You get to many keys so we are reducing that.
T4 boxes now cost more. (hahahahaha evil laugh)
No more stim or spike drops. Please visit the cash shop(or vendor).

I read "please go play some other game".

Bonehead
08-05-2014, 12:30 PM
Too bad this isn't bizzaro world. This would be GREAT marketing there!

Perchta
08-05-2014, 12:35 PM
I have only ever gotten one decent item from a lockbox yet I have bought 40+ in my short time playing (EGO ~3000). Too much like play the dollar slots at a low end casino with the worst odds dialed in.

N3gativeCr33p
08-05-2014, 12:40 PM
Too much like play the dollar slots at a low end casino with the worst odds dialed in.

Yeah, I've seen slot machines in Las Vegas liquor stores that have better odds than this game's "RNG". I would sooner spend my money there than here.

konstantinov
08-05-2014, 12:41 PM
Yeah, I've seen slot machines in Las Vegas liquor stores that have better odds than this game's "RNG". I would sooner spend my money there than here.

It's like a game of Russian roulette.

N3gativeCr33p
08-05-2014, 12:42 PM
It's like a game of Russian roulette.

... with a fully loaded revolver.

duction
08-05-2014, 12:42 PM
dont worry it will all come out in the wash :)

Dralch
08-05-2014, 12:42 PM
Ugh No Stims, No Spikes What Soon No Grenades from drops come on this isn't World of VenderCraft or World of CashshopCraft.

I declare Shenanigans!

Save me from having to go to a town after every event!

konstantinov
08-05-2014, 12:43 PM
... with a fully loaded revolver.

Hollow points only.

Yrkul
08-05-2014, 12:48 PM
I'm surprised they dared do something like this with Firefall having launched less than a week ago.

"Hmm. Seems like the servers can't handle the additional player load. How can we alleviate that?"

I guess I'll see more people in Copacabana in a few days.

Z0mb1E
08-05-2014, 12:48 PM
Hollow points only.

More like depleted uranium core..........

duction
08-05-2014, 12:50 PM
* Players will now progress through weapon mastery and skill ranks at the expected pace regardless of threat-level.

thats a funny one too. is this going to slow things down ?

konstantinov
08-05-2014, 12:50 PM
More like depleted uranium core..........

Duke Nukem napalm rounds.

SilverWF
08-05-2014, 12:53 PM
* Players will now progress through weapon mastery and skill ranks at the expected pace regardless of threat-level.

thats a funny one too. is this going to slow things down ?
Dunno, but before it was: low threat lvl - low speed of weapon and weapon skill line mastery, high threat - high speed.

Got 20 at the every weapon line only at sieges and incursions. Now I'm calm :)

ConcreteSnake
08-05-2014, 12:53 PM
* Players will now progress through weapon mastery and skill ranks at the expected pace regardless of threat-level.

thats a funny one too. is this going to slow things down ?
yes for mastery and skills. when i was 500 ego i could go to tl10 and gain 5 skill levels in a few clip. now it will be the same progression rate regardless of boosted damage output

Milkweed
08-05-2014, 12:56 PM
yes for mastery and skills. when i was 500 ego i could go to tl10 and gain 5 skill levels in a few clip. now it will be the same progression rate regardless of boosted damage output

yes and I'm just CERTAIN it will work correctly now
bwahahahahahaha

konstantinov
08-05-2014, 12:56 PM
yes for mastery and skills. when i was 500 ego i could go to tl10 and gain 5 skill levels in a few clip. now it will be the same progression rate regardless of boosted damage output

As in faster or slower?

Razoreddie
08-05-2014, 12:59 PM
I'm surprised they dared do something like this with Firefall having launched less than a week ago.

"Hmm. Seems like the servers can't handle the additional player load. How can we alleviate that?"

I guess I'll see more people in Copacabana in a few days.

Already at The Copa, Brother!! Jump Jets are the Bomb!

Still playing Defiance though. Lockboxes don't mean anything to me. I only spend the keycodes when I max out, because I have to. Only a clod with too much money buys them in the Bit Store. Won't change how I play at all...and that change makes zero difference to me. Been playing MMOs etc for years and every time there's a major patch, there's a "They Nerfed My Favorite Thing!" thread.

Combo Breaker
08-05-2014, 01:00 PM
I'm surprised they dared do something like this with Firefall having launched less than a week ago.

"Hmm. Seems like the servers can't handle the additional player load. How can we alleviate that?"

I guess I'll see more people in Copacabana in a few days.

Already there.

duction
08-05-2014, 01:00 PM
As in faster or slower?

super slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Ashaya Aladriel
08-05-2014, 01:01 PM
Some of my best weapons I pulled from tier 4 boxes. Double damage, single crit, orange wolfhound, triple crit, single damage wolfhound (only a purple) double damage, double crit Orange FRC BOlt Action Repeater. These are all unique for what they are, and once upon a time, some of the best guns in PC-NA.

ConcreteSnake
08-05-2014, 01:01 PM
As in faster or slower?

slower.............longer.............

Ruinne
08-05-2014, 01:04 PM
So from the responses so far I can interpret the response to be:

1: Game is still broken, we're not spending money on it.
2: Lock boxes are lottery tickets with imaginary prizes, except I can spend lottery winnings.
3: Nerf everything all you want, make ark forge and shields drop from a unicorn's arse during a moon lit noon-hour in Ecuador. A terrible value is still a terrible value.

LiketheShoreandtheSea
08-05-2014, 01:07 PM
Faster skill-leveling at higher threat level was the ONLY positive about playing at a higher threat level. Now it's just all the grind/feeling under-leveled and under-powered without any reward. Thumbs UP TRION. Boy, if that isn't an incentive to keep playing their game, I don't know what is!

Guess I shoulda been using a darn BMG at all the events in the past few weeks. Even with relatively fast wpn levelng at TL10, the BMG still dragged *** rofl. Now it's going to take a bloody century, dammit. :p

konstantinov
08-05-2014, 01:07 PM
slower.............longer.............

So like the line at the buffet.

N3gativeCr33p
08-05-2014, 01:09 PM
slower.............longer.............

More fulfilling?

Combo Breaker
08-05-2014, 01:10 PM
Faster skill-leveling at higher threat level was the ONLY positive about playing at a higher threat level. Now it's just all the grind/feeling under-leveled and under-powered without any reward. Thumbs UP TRION. Boy, if that isn't an incentive to keep playing their game, I don't know what is!

Guess I shoulda been using a darn BMG at all the events in the past few weeks. Even with relatively fast wpn levelng at TL10, the BMG still dragged *** rofl. Now it's going to take a bloody century, dammit. :p

Hit every Kenn farm Siege and Incursion you see. Make sure to do all the little emergencies leading up to Kenn Farm. It will go faster than you think.

Z0mb1E
08-05-2014, 01:11 PM
So like the line at the buffet.

Only the items at the buffet have all been encrypted meaning you can't eat them now. You of course have the skill to eat them now! But you can't eat them, you can fill your tray up with as many items as you like, you just can't eat any of it.

Bonehead
08-05-2014, 01:14 PM
As in faster or slower?

Slower Kon.

Soooo much slower.

ConcreteSnake
08-05-2014, 01:14 PM
More fulfilling?

ding ding ding ding!

Bacon Overlord
08-05-2014, 01:14 PM
Talk about your wild speculation and whining thread....

Why don't you all just wait and see what it will be like when the game comes back up rather than threatening to leave and talking negatively about the game and the developer?

I mean.. keys will cost more? So? Who buys a lockbox until they are close to 60 keys now anyway?

Not only that, but you can still hold 126 keys. So just gather more...

I don't have any issue with buying things from the online store. I think it's a matter of convenience, but I've never felt I had to buy anything at all. IN fact, I was playing for quite some time (months actually) before I even found out there was an in-game store.

So... fearmongering, although common in online games, is pretty silly.

Z0mb1E
08-05-2014, 01:17 PM
Talk about your wild speculation and whining thread....

Why don't you all just wait and see what it will be like when the game comes back up rather than threatening to leave and talking negatively about the game and the developer?

I mean.. keys will cost more? So? Who buys a lockbox until they are close to 60 keys now anyway?

Not only that, but you can still hold 126 keys. So just gather more...

I don't have any issue with buying things from the online store. I think it's a matter of convenience, but I've never felt I had to buy anything at all. IN fact, I was playing for quite some time (months actually) before I even found out there was an in-game store.

So... fearmongering, although common in online games, is pretty silly.

Wild speculation documented in the patch notes mind you.........

Bacon Overlord
08-05-2014, 01:21 PM
Wild speculation documented in the patch notes mind you.........

Where do you see anything about people leaving the game, weapons becoming unusable and general panic about something that hasn't been addressed like the lag and stuff... in the patch notes?

Just curious.

Yrkul
08-05-2014, 01:24 PM
Already at The Copa, Brother!! Jump Jets are the Bomb!

Still playing Defiance though. Lockboxes don't mean anything to me. I only spend the keycodes when I max out, because I have to. Only a clod with too much money buys them in the Bit Store. Won't change how I play at all...and that change makes zero difference to me. Been playing MMOs etc for years and every time there's a major patch, there's a "They Nerfed My Favorite Thing!" thread.
I gave up on lockbox farming a long time ago, even before they shoehorned arkforge and the equipment maintainance cost into the game. I've made do with mainly blues and a few purples. Now my main and 2 alts are past 4500, so very little arkforge is actually needed anymore. I started up another alt a few days ago, using greens and just 4 blues, buying upgrades from the standard vendor stock rather than use arkforge. Whether a gun is green or purple doesn't matter much, once you know what guns and what nano is effective in what situation. The only thing orange and purple does better is eat up your arkforge.

Bottom line is, there's too big a chance for everything coming out of a lockbox to be garbage, for me to invest time, ingame resources, let alone real money in them. Buying them with bits is for chumps.

Bacon Overlord
08-05-2014, 01:27 PM
Bottom line is, there's too big a chance for everything coming out of a lockbox to be garbage, for me to invest time, ingame resources, let alone real money in them. Buying them with bits is for chumps.

That's quite an allegation and assumption there.

Maybe they know something you don't..... I would say that's probably the case since I got all my orange grenades from lockboxes.

Weird, huh?

Alastar
08-05-2014, 01:29 PM
Just another reason to be glad Defiance is now on my only play to do the new stuff if its worth doing and then go play something else list. Curious isn't it how they say its being "rebalanced" but they don't tell us what that actually means ;) Maybe the drop rates and rewards are being increased. LOL ;)

nathanpbutler
08-05-2014, 01:30 PM
Ah, Trion. If you really wanted us to spend bits on lockboxes, you'd make it even easier to slip up and accidentally spend bits instead of resources at a lockbox vendor. Those are the ONLY times I have ever, or will ever, spend cash on lockboxes.

Bacon Overlord
08-05-2014, 01:32 PM
Just another reason to be glad Defiance is now on my only play to do the new stuff if its worth doing and then go play something else list. Curious isn't it how they say its being "rebalanced" but they don't tell us what that actually means ;) Maybe the drop rates and rewards are being increased. LOL ;)

Wow...

I'm sure the devs are really motivated to make the game something you'll want to support after that comment.

Bonehead
08-05-2014, 01:32 PM
Faster skill-leveling at higher threat level was the ONLY positive about playing at a higher threat level. Now it's just all the grind/feeling under-leveled and under-powered without any reward.

Agreed 100%.

Bonehead
08-05-2014, 01:35 PM
Bottom line is, there's too big a chance for everything coming out of a lockbox to be garbage, for me to invest time, ingame resources, let alone real money in them. Buying them with bits is for chumps.

http://roaminghunger.com/img/trucks/original/5061ecc8-6184-4fbe-bf6f-65b046204482.jpeg

Bonehead
08-05-2014, 01:36 PM
Wow...

I'm sure the devs are really motivated to make the game something you'll want to support after that comment.

If they want to keep their jobs they'll be motivated.

Z0mb1E
08-05-2014, 01:37 PM
That's quite an allegation and assumption there.

Maybe they know something you don't..... I would say that's probably the case since I got all my orange grenades from lockboxes.

Weird, huh?

Totally agree with you here Bacon (besides what could Yrkul know about the game he's only been here a year longer). Everyone should quit making allegations and assumptions that Tier boxes are bad, after all, we can get orange grenades out of them!!!

Bacon Overlord
08-05-2014, 01:37 PM
If they want to keep their jobs they'll be motivated.

Because one whiner says so.

Yeah.... not seeing the connection.

Bacon Overlord
08-05-2014, 01:38 PM
Totally agree with you here Bacon (besides what could Yrkul know about the game he's only been here a year longer). Everyone should quit making allegations and assumptions that Tier boxes are bad, after all, we can get orange grenades out of them!!!

I've been here since beta... what is your point? Apparently I've avoided the forums for a reason.. the level of whining in here is epic.

People need to pull up their big-boy pants.

Alastar
08-05-2014, 01:39 PM
Doesn't much matter does it bacon? After more than a year of loyalty and my cash they weren't very motivated. Voicing my displeasure can't make matters much worse :D

konstantinov
08-05-2014, 01:40 PM
Because one whiner says so.

Yeah.... not seeing the connection.

Quit being a hatemonger.

Yes we know you're an internet tough guy.

Big Jack Shepard
08-05-2014, 01:40 PM
I love how 99.9% of new posters have been playing since beta.

Overtkill21
08-05-2014, 01:41 PM
Talk about your wild speculation and whining thread....

Why don't you all just wait and see what it will be like when the game comes back up rather than threatening to leave and talking negatively about the game and the developer?

I mean.. keys will cost more? So? Who buys a lockbox until they are close to 60 keys now anyway?

Not only that, but you can still hold 126 keys. So just gather more...

I don't have any issue with buying things from the online store. I think it's a matter of convenience, but I've never felt I had to buy anything at all. IN fact, I was playing for quite some time (months actually) before I even found out there was an in-game store.

So... fearmongering, although common in online games, is pretty silly.

I would imagine in your vast amount of time spent on the forums you must have experienced the mountain of garbage Trion has dumped on this game time and time again? No?

Perhaps you were a part of the extremely useful 100%-ignored-by-the-devs discussions we players had regarding every single one of those changes?

Maybe you should sit back, relax, and read what some of these players are saying before you go calling folks whiners?

You have less than 25 posts and over half of them are 100% you WHINING about players whining; good to see how constructive you are.

Enough of you, you are no overlord of bacon - maybe Canadian bacon...

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On the topic at hand Trion should just go ahead and make all Keys and Arkforge Bit store only. That seems to be logic they could get behind.

Bacon Overlord
08-05-2014, 01:41 PM
Quit being a hatemonger.

Yes we know you're an internet tough guy.

Oh.. I see.. speak up about the fearmongering and get called a hatemonger.

Yeah... I don't think so.

Z0mb1E
08-05-2014, 01:43 PM
I've been here since beta... what is your point? Apparently I've avoided the forums for a reason.. the level of whining in here is epic.

People need to pull up their big-boy pants.

I smell ******.......

Alastar
08-05-2014, 01:44 PM
Awwwww leave poor bacon alone guys. He's just new is all. Welcome to the forums buddy :o

Marek Sari
08-05-2014, 01:44 PM
Bacon, this is a thread about loot nerfing then you go to my thread and say the patch notes say nothing of loot nerfing. I think this says everything in itself.

Bacon Overlord
08-05-2014, 01:44 PM
I would imagine in your vast amount of time spent on the forums you must have experienced the mountain of garbage Trion has dumped on this game time and time again? No?

Perhaps you were a part of the extremely useful 100%-ignored-by-the-devs discussions we players had regarding every single one of those changes?

Maybe you should sit back, relax, and read what some of these players are saying before you go calling folks whiners?

You have only 12 posts and over half of them are 100% you WHINING about players whining; good to see how constructive you are.

Enough of you, you are no overlord of bacon - maybe Canadian bacon...

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On the topic at hand Trion should just go ahead and make all Keys and Arkforge Bit store only. That seems to be logic they could get behind.

Or... maybe it's a fresh perspective on the level of stupid newbie whining by a bunch of apparent children that think their favorite toy should dress and clothe them instead of doing what it's supposed to do.

You guys really do sound like a bunch of trolling whiners. I don't know how else to put it. It's a little sickening. I have been playing off and on since beta and have never been to the forums.. never had a reason to until the other night when the server was going up and down.

Now I get to deal with this? LoL... wow. I have a newfound respect for the devs and anyone else that gets to sift through all this complaining and childish bantering full of negativity.

It's really something I could have gone the rest of my time in this game without seeing. Grow up.

konstantinov
08-05-2014, 01:45 PM
Oh.. I see.. speak up about the fearmongering and get called a hatemonger.

Yeah... I don't think so.

You're more toxic than Britney Spears.

N3gativeCr33p
08-05-2014, 01:45 PM
I love how 99.9% of new posters have been playing since beta.

Oh, you've noticed that as well? lol

DSW
08-05-2014, 01:47 PM
Just wondering: Has anyone EVER received a weapon or shield from the coffin boxes that they actually used, liked, leveled and kept? Just wondering. (I have no idea how many I've opened with keys but hundreds for sure. Never kept one except to fool around with for a while.) The only good weapons or shields I've ever received came from AF rewards.

i think i have about a dozen or two f lunchbox drops that i use/used in the past. i can remember 3 or 4 TACC rifles with different nanos and cool rolls as well as triple mag electro assasin VBI AR.



Or... maybe it's a fresh perspective on the level of stupid newbie whining by a bunch of apparent children that think their favorite toy should dress and clothe them instead of doing what it's supposed to do.

You guys really do sound like a bunch of trolling whiners. I don't know how else to put it. It's a little sickening. I have been playing off and on since beta and have never been to the forums.. never had a reason to until the other night when the server was going up and down.

Now I get to deal with this? LoL... wow. I have a newfound respect for the devs and anyone else that gets to sift through all this complaining and childish bantering full of negativity.

It's really something I could have gone the rest of my time in this game without seeing. Grow up.
don't play the devil's advocate. it's just a coincidence that the way trion changes game suits your gameplay or expectations or wallet.

konstantinov
08-05-2014, 01:50 PM
Oh, you've noticed that as well? lol

I've been playing this game since 1999!

Overtkill21
08-05-2014, 01:53 PM
Or... maybe it's a fresh perspective on the level of stupid newbie whining by a bunch of apparent children that think their favorite toy should dress and clothe them instead of doing what it's supposed to do.

You guys really do sound like a bunch of trolling whiners. I don't know how else to put it. It's a little sickening. I have been playing off and on since beta and have never been to the forums.. never had a reason to until the other night when the server was going up and down.

Now I get to deal with this? LoL... wow. I have a newfound respect for the devs and anyone else that gets to sift through all this complaining and childish bantering full of negativity.

It's really something I could have gone the rest of my time in this game without seeing. Grow up.

I call your "fresh perspective" hopeless optimism, nothing wrong with that, but you attempt to wield it like a 2 year old child with a Wiffle bat - none of us are threatened by your wildly flailing opinions nor your childish insults.

That said, you have added absolutely nothing to this conversation, save exactly that which the majority of your posts say: "blah, blah, blah, you guys are whiners."

In the future, please learn to constructively use those rare occasions, which we are apparently supposed to savor, when you grace us with a forum post.

Big Jack Shepard
08-05-2014, 01:54 PM
I've been playing this game since 1999!So? I've been playing since 98.

Bonehead
08-05-2014, 01:54 PM
I love how 99.9% of new posters have been playing since beta.

I guess I'm in the 1%.

I've only been playing since launch.

I was a beta tester on pong though.

Overtkill21
08-05-2014, 01:56 PM
So? I've been playing since 98.

1996 For The Win!

ConcreteSnake
08-05-2014, 01:59 PM
Or... maybe it's a fresh perspective on the level of stupid newbie whining by a bunch of apparent children that think their favorite toy should dress and clothe them instead of doing what it's supposed to do.

You guys really do sound like a bunch of trolling whiners. I don't know how else to put it. It's a little sickening. I have been playing off and on since beta and have never been to the forums.. never had a reason to until the other night when the server was going up and down.

Now I get to deal with this? LoL... wow. I have a newfound respect for the devs and anyone else that gets to sift through all this complaining and childish bantering full of negativity.

It's really something I could have gone the rest of my time in this game without seeing. Grow up.

In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4]

everyone besides you has been on topic to my thread. you came in throwing names around and belittling others. Please put your bait away and we will leave the trolls alone.

Ghost MLP
08-05-2014, 02:00 PM
*To balance the accrual rate of Keycodes, we have increased the purchase cost of Keycodes on Lock Box Merchants, rebalanced the rewards gained from score in events, and updated equipment drop rates from enemies

http://forums.defiance.com/showthread.php?170189-Defiance-2.2-Silicon-Valley

I have a feeling this will negatively impact players in an attempt to drive them to the bit store. What are your thought? Lets speculate until we experience it first hand.

Okay, I followed the link to the patch notes and find out after only just finding out an hour before the update that we can increase all our weapons to orange status that they're now taking that away? Well, sucks to be me who's been away from the game so long that I missed the golden opportunity to max out my weapons and shields.

Well, at least purples are still good versions to look for since they're only one step away from orange, unless they decide to make all of them encrypted by default, which would really just suck.

Dandrielas
08-05-2014, 02:02 PM
I guess I'm in the 1%.

I've only been playing since launch.

I was a beta tester on pong though.

I actually was in the closed beta. Does that count?

ConcreteSnake
08-05-2014, 02:03 PM
Okay, I followed the link to the patch notes and find out after only just finding out an hour before the update that we can increase all our weapons to orange status that they're now taking that away? Well, sucks to be me who's been away from the game so long that I missed the golden opportunity to max out my weapons and shields.

Well, at least purples are still good versions to look for since they're only one step away from orange, unless they decide to make all of them encrypted by default, which would really just suck.

4 out of every 5 purple will already be encrypted, pretty much no use for arkforge anymore

Z0mb1E
08-05-2014, 02:04 PM
I actually was in the closed beta. Does that count?

Yes but were you playing when the Dev's were still writing the game engine??!?!?!?!?!

Alastar
08-05-2014, 02:04 PM
Yeah. Depending on the encryption rate that's still a viable option. If its not absurdly high you can still get by on that. Unless they decide to ramp up the encryption rate in the hopes of driving you to the bit store lol.

konstantinov
08-05-2014, 02:05 PM
4 out of every 5 purple will already be encrypted, pretty much no use for arkforge anymore

In all fairness, it was basically nonexistent.

Ghost MLP
08-05-2014, 02:05 PM
4 out of every 5 purple will already be encrypted, pretty much no use for arkforge anymore

Yep. sucks to be me. -_-

Oh well, suppose that only matters in PvP, which I'd still suck horribly at even if I did remain faithful since launch. :P

N3gativeCr33p
08-05-2014, 02:05 PM
1996 For The Win!

1984 here. :)

DSW
08-05-2014, 02:06 PM
4 out of every 5 purple will already be encrypted, pretty much no use for arkforge anymore

probably devs got fed up with unicorn guns and unicorn hunters for now (and i got a unicorn from T2 box! - double crit cannoneer + oj fire rate Thunder. 16.7 rate with fire nano is a helluva thing)

duction
08-05-2014, 02:06 PM
1984 here. :)

good year that.

Bonehead
08-05-2014, 02:08 PM
1984 here. :)

Oh yea, my HS ten year reunion!

Overtkill21
08-05-2014, 02:08 PM
In all fairness, it was basically nonexistent.

Yeah I just have a hoard of the garbage...I think a bit over 6K or so.

DSW
08-05-2014, 02:09 PM
Yep. sucks to be me. -_-

Oh well, suppose that only matters in PvP, which I'd still suck horribly at even if I did remain faithful since launch. :P

some guns get oj x1.10 DMG or x1.25 MAG rolls and that could make a difference in PvE too. in pvp cloak & zagger or chaos/longshot still will be most viable tactics because trion haven't done anything to encourage other powers or setups. also snipers for Shadow Wars, but it's not that much different from pve anyway.

konstantinov
08-05-2014, 02:10 PM
Yeah I just have a hoard of the garbage...I think a bit over 6K or so.

You been holding out on me? Geez that's worse than the girl in high school with head gear.

OrpheusXI
08-05-2014, 02:12 PM
It's sad they gotta redo stuff already out to try and make people spend more money instead of making actual new stuff like they should. Most Fp2 games do not do it like trion is doing it, it will fail and the game will not last this way. if they made new stuff it would attract both new and old users instead of kicking the old users in the mouth with the nerfing everything else.

I don't believe DLC will ever come to get this game again like first season either. They will only make "content" updates and some stuff will cost money. "Cash shop" will take over.

Overtkill21
08-05-2014, 02:12 PM
You been holding out on me? Geez that's worse than the girl in high school with head gear.

I figure we'll need it if they put the "Change a Roll, Synergy, or Nano" function into the game as they have said.

That's what I'm keeping it for...so LOL at me for thinking this is gonna get better.

konstantinov
08-05-2014, 02:13 PM
I figure we'll need it if they put the "Change a Roll, Synergy, or Nano" function into the game as they have said.

That's what I'm keeping it for...so LOL at me for thinking this is gonna get better.

You're a hoarder. I'm setting up an intervention.

Daeima
08-05-2014, 02:15 PM
slower.............longer.............more fullfilling chase.......

Fixed it for you

Ruinne
08-05-2014, 02:16 PM
I've been playing this game since 1999!

I served five years with the Devil's Brigade and started playing as soon as I got back.

OrpheusXI
08-05-2014, 02:20 PM
I figure we'll need it if they put the "Change a Roll, Synergy, or Nano" function into the game as they have said.

That's what I'm keeping it for...so LOL at me for thinking this is gonna get better.

You know they will make a new currency that can only be bought with bits or just charge bits for that lol.

Crasharr
08-05-2014, 02:24 PM
You know they will make a new currency that can only be bought with bits or just charge bits for that lol.

I'm guessing its silicone-somethingorother, makes it feel all warranted etc.... arkfall code for next episode i predict silicone-whateverorsomething! I R Win!

spigg
08-05-2014, 03:01 PM
I was playing this on my trs80 color computer II.... Had to program the whole game in basic. It was awesome. Obviously this was before the votans arrived on earth. You pretty much just ran around eating stuff in a maze.... In all seriousness though, with the insane potential this game has, I also feel they underutilized it. Besides bmg and infectors, where are the cool alien weapons? Why the insane limitations on lifeforms (SABERWOLVES!)? Instead of constant "fixes" they should focus on stable new content.

Perchta
08-05-2014, 04:09 PM
Having played several F2P games their stores only work when the player base feels they are getting a fair deal for their cash. Trion seems intent on pricing themselves out of the market.

Denuth
08-05-2014, 04:39 PM
Well, I like the game and don't mind the changes at all. If it bothers you that much just stop playing. It's that easy really. With Defiance going F2P and hitting steam you will be replaced quickly. Or you can just moan more so all the new people just think your annoying.

Dandrielas
08-05-2014, 04:41 PM
Well, I like the game and don't mind the changes at all. If it bothers you that much just stop playing. It's that easy really. With Defiance going F2P and hitting steam you will be replaced quickly. Or you can just moan more so all the new people just think your annoying.

Lolz. I love the spunk of the new people. You will get this way eventually. It always happens.

Ruinne
08-05-2014, 04:42 PM
Lolz. I love the spunk of the new people. You will get this way eventually. It always happens.

Did you notice that all of the people here that are all pleased with the direction the game is taking are making their first posts today?

Did you notice that there only ever seems to be one active at a time?

I'm guessing there aren't enough spare machines with all the work on the patch going on.

Dandrielas
08-05-2014, 04:44 PM
Did you notice that all of the people here that are all pleased with the direction the game is taking are making their first posts today?

Did you notice that there only ever seems to be one active at a time?

I'm guessing there aren't enough spare machines with all the work on the patch going on.

It does seem that way.

Big Jack Shepard
08-05-2014, 04:48 PM
I does seem that way.

NO!

They've been here since beta!

They just never posted before.

Dandrielas
08-05-2014, 04:50 PM
NO!

They've been here since beta!

They just never posted before.

I love that excuse.

Denuth
08-05-2014, 05:03 PM
I'll admit I've only been around 2 weeks and even more recently made a forum account. The reason I made a forum account was I liked the game enough that I wanted to become involved in the community. Unfortunately the community is full of "Old School" players who are afraid of change or just don't want it to happen. Well let me tell you what is happening. A fair 60% of you old schoolers are rude as hell and have a superiority complex towards us new people. Not very welcoming. While the other 40% either don't give a jek or are helpful. I'd give that one a 20/20 split. So when you finally leave and the new people stick around i'm betting things will be better for everyone.

hiban
08-05-2014, 05:05 PM
NO!

They've been here since beta!

They just never posted before.

lol, i think every single person who has played defiance has registered on this forum a day or 2 after starting to play, to report a bug or post a complaint.

Dandrielas
08-05-2014, 05:06 PM
I'll admit I've only been around 2 weeks and even more recently made a forum account. The reason I made a forum account was I liked the game enough that I wanted to become involved in the community. Unfortunately the community is full of "Old School" players who are afraid of change or just don't want it to happen. Well let me tell you what is happening. A fair 60% of you old schoolers are rude as hell and have a superiority complex towards us new people. Not very welcoming. While the other 40% either don't give a jek or are helpful. I'd give that one a 20/20 split. So when you finally leave and the new people stick around i'm betting things will be better for everyone.

You do realize that us "Old School" players will probably out last most of the people just joining. We have seen waves and waves of hopeful people, and we have also seen them leave or join our ranks.

hiban
08-05-2014, 05:08 PM
Unfortunately the community is full of "Old School" players who are afraid of change or just don't want it to happen.

I guarantee that in two or three months, you will also become "afraid of change".

Denuth
08-05-2014, 05:24 PM
So the long response I wrote out disappeared into thin air so here is a short version. Don't guarantee something you can't control. And thank's for admitting to being Afraid of change. Now we can make some real progress here. It's ok really. Everything to survive in this world has to go through change it's called evolution, some things survive and others do not. Clearly the old state was not going to survive hence the changes. Thank goodness for thumbs am I right? Now think you Old school players might lighten up on the new people so that we can coexist instead of one trying to push or snuff out the other? Thanks...

Dandrielas
08-05-2014, 05:27 PM
So the long response I wrote out disappeared into thin air so here is a short version. Don't guarantee something you can't control. And thank's for admitting to being Afraid of change. Now we can make some real progress here. It's ok really. Everything to survive in this world has to go through change it's called evolution, some things survive and others do not. Clearly the old state was not going to survive hence the changes. Thank goodness for thumbs am I right? Now think you Old school players might lighten up on the new people so that we can coexist instead of one trying to push or snuff out the other? Thanks...

Ideal thinking doesn't work here or in any forum really. We aren't snuffing any one out. We are just stating the facts that Trion is known for bad decision making for this game.