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Wraither
08-05-2014, 12:27 PM
In all seriousness, I think Defiance players would like to see a more "what you see is what you get" things for sale in the bit store, and some variety.

If there was the kind of fash for sale like there was/is in Perfect World International, would you buy it?
(yes i know, terrible game but they REAP profits like you would not believe, especially on the f2p private servers and this game was built on one of the very first ever Korean MMO game engine platforms and to this day is STILL making tons of profit)
Click on the clothing image to view the listings: Male, Female and Weapon Fashion (http://pwi.ecatomb.net/fashion.php)

In Planetside 2, you can buy custom armor, camo skins, Hubcaps, decals, and paintjobs/camo for your vehicles, player submitted helmets that make both SOE and the player that submitted lots of $... would any of you buy things like this? (This game is full of bugs and problems too, but as with Defiance, still retains a huge player base and unlike Defiance, profits BIG time!)
Custom Camo Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae7CSZL-tXc)
Player Submitted Helmets Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhR34xD8Dtg)
There is a lot more, like custom add ons for vehicles but this video should illustrate the point

In Rift, you can buy weapon skins, fashion etc, as well as RNG lockboxes:
Rift Weapon Skins (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOSybdPrO0I)
These skins let your weapon look like the skin, regardless of what the weapon is. Would any of you buy this kind of thing if it were for sale in the cash shop, not random, but "what you see is what you get"?

I am hoping to see positive replies and responses in this threat, ones that will motivate not only Trion, but also it's employees to plead the case for a bitstore that follows a more successful model, as opposed to constantly making it tougher for people to want to give Defiance their money for a random chance of a bunch of items they end up selling at a total loss, only resulting in more players wanting to leave this amazingly fun game and a loss in revenue for Defiance.

Personally, I would throw money at the game, just as I did with other games, cause some of this stuff is awesome eye candy and does enhance the fun factor of the game without making any of it alter the fairness of the game.

Opinions? Would you all buy stuff like this?

Edit: IMO, revenue from sales of items like this can and would pay for new dev's and the ability to fix a lot of the problems Defiance is experiencing

N3gativeCr33p
08-05-2014, 12:29 PM
"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

Wraither
08-05-2014, 12:30 PM
Was hoping for a more positive approach, but I can't blame anyone for replying in a negative way

bigguy
08-05-2014, 12:31 PM
That store ?...No comment

N3gativeCr33p
08-05-2014, 12:32 PM
Was hoping for a more positive approach, but I can't blame anyone for replying in a negative way

Not being negative at all... suggestions very similar to yours have been repeated around here 537643249201 times. Nothing has changed.

Wraither
08-05-2014, 12:32 PM
Trion, these replies are speaking volumes here... open up them ears?

MahChew
08-05-2014, 12:36 PM
would definately invest some more money into the game..

if things were cheaper... like 50% cheaper at least..

Trion cold learn alot from the steam workshop. Customization is what keeps players active. l4d2/TF2 for example.

Just look at APB:R, absolutely plagued with bugs/hackers/cheaters/lag but still has a player base due to superior customization options.

just my 2c

Wraither
08-05-2014, 12:42 PM
Not being negative at all... suggestions very similar to yours have been repeated around here 537643249201 times. Nothing has changed.

Not saying you were negative, just was hoping to see something more positive is all, like a yes or no answer and I do see the merit in your reply.

I'm just trying to do what I can to open those ears at Trion that have been closed for so long

alred
08-05-2014, 12:43 PM
I think an issue is that Defiance servers have to deal with a lot of item tracking. Which is one reason why we all look the same at ark falls. I don't think Trion has that issue in Rift [It's been awhile since I played or done a Rift]. Maybe first step would be to get beefier servers, or figure out how to reduce item count? So that players can appear as they normally appear outside of an arkfall, while in an arkfall.
Then work on customs and stuff like that.

N3gativeCr33p
08-05-2014, 12:45 PM
I'm just trying to do what I can to open those ears at Trion that have been closed for so long

http://www.nkayesel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/parent-trap-good-luck-lindsay-lohan-when-she-was-cute.gif

Wraither
08-05-2014, 12:49 PM
Agreed Alred, but I think Defiance is at a case of a catch 22 atm. They cannot do this because of no money, but no money and what they are doing = even less money and even more unsatisfied customers and as we all know, it takes money to make money. Trion needs to re-invest in order to profit, be it beefier servers, more employees or whatever. Throwing money at a problem often is not the solution, but careful planning and investment often leads to success and happy customers. Currently... customers of Defiance love the game but are not happy with the implementation.

I know the game has limitations due to being cross platform, but knowing what I know about the industry, Defiance could be thriving and players enjoying a slightly scaled down version of the customization that other games enjoy

Ruinne
08-05-2014, 12:53 PM
We need WAY more customisation for our characters. They could make a good dollar just selling new outfits if we could put more customisation into them. As in more armour pieces, upper and lower bodies, shoulder, head, gloves, arms. That would stretch server resources though and whatever is failing under Defiance' hood couldn't handle it.

Weapon skins and customization of colours of our weapons and what they fire. That would stretch server resources though and whatever is failing under Defiance' hood couldn't handle it.

Vehicle mods, roll bars and colours, rims, all kinds of really fun things like that to show off our cars. That would stretch server resources though and whatever is failing under Defiance' hood couldn't handle it.

Some kind of central hub with housing that would get the homesteaders spending real world cash on items would add a huge amount to the game. That would stretch server resources though and whatever is failing under Defiance' hood couldn't handle it.

We would love to buy things to keep the game alive and well Trion, that would stretch server resources though and whatever is failing under Defiance' hood couldn't handle it.

HAYABUSA DCLXVI
08-05-2014, 12:59 PM
You want positive responses? It seems that we only ever get negative changes and nerfs.
The only glitches that get patched quickly are the ones that benefit the player. So you can see why the majority of us (or the "vocal minority") have such a negative outlook when it comes to this game.

In regards to customisation, each patch we see less and less of what each players character looks like because they appear as the debug model. So why would players spend money to look different when they are the only person that can see their outfit unless they get inspected?

Wraither
08-05-2014, 01:00 PM
And this is what I mean by the catch 22 - cannot proceed because of current implementation not being able to handle point A, but losing out on profit and unable to even consider point A because of loss of revenue due to not looking at the validity of aspects of point A, thereby limiting the ability to find a way to accommodate point A. Sometimes a company has to suck it up and eat crow, and lose a little revenue in order to boost revenue in the long run

Kiwi's thread on upcoming things does list player submitted creations as one of the implementations btw, just no idea on timeline. This game can adapt... maybe not to the degree of a PC only platform, but we just need a more logical progression of business model as opposed to a gambling casino that constantly nerfs the odds of any form of winning imo... something that brings in enough money to be able to consider implementing aspects that bring about player satisfaction

Edit - I am not "wanting" anything really but I did ask for and hoped for positive replies, yes. I am trying my best to help here. I do understand and feel the frustration too, believe me, just not to the degree of the veterans that have been here from day one or for a longer period of time.

Bonehead
08-05-2014, 01:20 PM
Trion, these replies are speaking volumes here... open up them ears?

That's just so precious.

Wraither
08-05-2014, 01:27 PM
http://forums.watchuseek.com/attachments/f2/1522575d1402332515-buy-jlc-master-control-save-holy-trinity-tell-me-about-vacheron-1384304582_305_ft85894_precious.jpg

Bacon Overlord
08-05-2014, 01:30 PM
In all seriousness, I think Defiance players would like to see a more "what you see is what you get" things for sale in the bit store, and some variety.

If there was the kind of fash for sale like there was/is in Perfect World International, would you buy it?
(yes i know, terrible game but they REAP profits like you would not believe, especially on the f2p private servers and this game was built on one of the very first ever Korean MMO game engine platforms and to this day is STILL making tons of profit)
Click on the clothing image to view the listings: Male, Female and Weapon Fashion (http://pwi.ecatomb.net/fashion.php)

In Planetside 2, you can buy custom armor, camo skins, Hubcaps, decals, and paintjobs/camo for your vehicles, player submitted helmets that make both SOE and the player that submitted lots of $... would any of you buy things like this? (This game is full of bugs and problems too, but as with Defiance, still retains a huge player base and unlike Defiance, profits BIG time!)
Custom Camo Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae7CSZL-tXc)
Player Submitted Helmets Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhR34xD8Dtg)
There is a lot more, like custom add ons for vehicles but this video should illustrate the point

In Rift, you can buy weapon skins, fashion etc, as well as RNG lockboxes:
Rift Weapon Skins (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOSybdPrO0I)
These skins let your weapon look like the skin, regardless of what the weapon is. Would any of you buy this kind of thing if it were for sale in the cash shop, not random, but "what you see is what you get"?

I am hoping to see positive replies and responses in this threat, ones that will motivate not only Trion, but also it's employees to plead the case for a bitstore that follows a more successful model, as opposed to constantly making it tougher for people to want to give Defiance their money for a random chance of a bunch of items they end up selling at a total loss, only resulting in more players wanting to leave this amazingly fun game and a loss in revenue for Defiance.

Personally, I would throw money at the game, just as I did with other games, cause some of this stuff is awesome eye candy and does enhance the fun factor of the game without making any of it alter the fairness of the game.

Opinions? Would you all buy stuff like this?

Edit: IMO, revenue from sales of items like this can and would pay for new dev's and the ability to fix a lot of the problems Defiance is experiencing

I'll be honest, I'm not reading all that and I'm going to tell you why you won't get any real interest in this:

You have a set of whiners in here that have nothing positive to say.. whatsoever about the game. Which, of course, begs the question of why they are in here posting. Trolling comes to mind.

Either way, they aren't interested in supporting the game.. just complaining about it.

Haavikk
08-05-2014, 01:32 PM
But but theres no Cat shops in Defiance

Vash Arrok
08-05-2014, 01:33 PM
Personally I like your optimistic approach and your post has merit. I would likely support such a move and the store if it were on the cards.

rosetta_cd_29A
08-05-2014, 01:36 PM
Can't reply... Still looking at those lo-fi sexy heels and outfits, oh my ! :p

But yes, to answer your question if there were more outfits i liked (read: that showed more skin or appealed to my various and sundry fetishes) available to purchase outright, not a chance to acquire them from a gambling box, i would be giving Trion money.

Who knows how long i'll be playing this game though, i do enjoy the setting and the gameplay and the people i have met, but it certainly feels like a sinking ship.

On the other hand, if they continue to add small bits of content and add to the map and some QOL things and i stick around for a while i would have no problem paying even higher prices for sexy outfits with the idea that i won't see them on everyone everywhere because a lot of people could care less and would never spend $10-20 for some sexy pixels. If i had Trick under my power they would release a new sexy outfit every month available ONLY for that month and if it pleased me i would gladly pay 10-20 bucks. And be excited to flaunt it at the next incursion. Surely i am a perverted minority though. Also i would buy emotes. And for ****s sake can i get a way to spin the camera around ?

See that smoke in my avatars mouth there ? i paid one dollar for that. Gladly. And of course i bought some emotes and other accessories when i made that purchase. And i could not resist some sweet red skins for my guns and plenty of other stuff. And yes, as was previously stated that game is full of cheaters and has an unbelievably toxic community but i still enjoy driving around San Paro in my custom pedo van causing trouble. /smoke



TL;DR: I have in the past and will continue to buy outfits, skins, accessories and emotes for games that i enjoy. Purely cosmetic things that in no way change the gameplay.

Wraither
08-05-2014, 01:40 PM
Thanks for all the replies, hope to see more! :D

P.S. One day we'll get you them sexy pixelated fashions Rose... some day. I'm still carryin' the torch and not giving up!

rosetta_cd_29A
08-05-2014, 02:00 PM
Well, if not in the Badlands then somewhere else for sure.

i'd link my steam profile so you could see the extent of the lewdness in San Paro but i don't wanna get banned, hehehe.

i do believe i am past due for a jaunt in San Paro !

P.S. Hey Trion, sex sells !

Nefarious
08-05-2014, 02:16 PM
I defiantly think weapons skins should be a thing to have in the game. It will fit in well with being able to re-roll synergies and bonus rolls (hopefully when this happens some synergies get a much needed buff and bonus rolls on certain weapon types get fixed.) There are already a few weapon skins for a variety of weapon types as is. Being able to choose would be really cool.

All of this should be handled with Ark Forge though through the Salvage Matrix. Having different skin types for each weapon in the bit store would be a ridiculous sized list.

OrpheusXI
08-05-2014, 02:22 PM
A f2p game will never listen to customers...they didn't listen when the game was pay to play, you think they will listen to people now? Never.

SilverWF
08-05-2014, 02:23 PM
In all seriousness, I think Defiance players would like to see a more "what you see is what you get" things for sale in the bit store, and some variety.

If there was the kind of fash for sale like there was/is in Perfect World International, would you buy it?
(yes i know, terrible game but they REAP profits like you would not believe, especially on the f2p private servers and this game was built on one of the very first ever Korean MMO game engine platforms and to this day is STILL making tons of profit)
Click on the clothing image to view the listings: Male, Female and Weapon Fashion (http://pwi.ecatomb.net/fashion.php)

In Planetside 2, you can buy custom armor, camo skins, Hubcaps, decals, and paintjobs/camo for your vehicles, player submitted helmets that make both SOE and the player that submitted lots of $... would any of you buy things like this? (This game is full of bugs and problems too, but as with Defiance, still retains a huge player base and unlike Defiance, profits BIG time!)
Custom Camo Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae7CSZL-tXc)
Player Submitted Helmets Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhR34xD8Dtg)
There is a lot more, like custom add ons for vehicles but this video should illustrate the point

In Rift, you can buy weapon skins, fashion etc, as well as RNG lockboxes:
Rift Weapon Skins (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOSybdPrO0I)
These skins let your weapon look like the skin, regardless of what the weapon is. Would any of you buy this kind of thing if it were for sale in the cash shop, not random, but "what you see is what you get"?

I am hoping to see positive replies and responses in this threat, ones that will motivate not only Trion, but also it's employees to plead the case for a bitstore that follows a more successful model, as opposed to constantly making it tougher for people to want to give Defiance their money for a random chance of a bunch of items they end up selling at a total loss, only resulting in more players wanting to leave this amazingly fun game and a loss in revenue for Defiance.

Personally, I would throw money at the game, just as I did with other games, cause some of this stuff is awesome eye candy and does enhance the fun factor of the game without making any of it alter the fairness of the game.

Opinions? Would you all buy stuff like this?

Edit: IMO, revenue from sales of items like this can and would pay for new dev's and the ability to fix a lot of the problems Defiance is experiencing

If there will be items by itself or "needed proc converter" - I'll just leave this true p2w game/

Alastar
08-05-2014, 02:23 PM
All that stuff and more please. Put stuff in the store that I want and that isn't a slot machine with the worst odds in Vegas and I will throw money at you. Continue to try and herd me into the store and my wallet will get tighter than Mr. Burns' at a charity event.

Wraither
08-05-2014, 02:25 PM
More replies please! I'm going to be sending this to Phantasie and Kiwi

Sometimes voices can be heard and results do happen, if if they are not quite what was hoped for, something > nothing :)

Ruinne
08-05-2014, 02:26 PM
P.S. Hey Trion, sex sells !

Yes. It. Does.

Alastar
08-05-2014, 02:28 PM
Just don't get your hopes too high wraith. You're doing well here but tbh you're not the first to make these suggestions. Not by a long shot. Js.

Wraither
08-05-2014, 02:34 PM
I hear ya, but I am still not gonna give up. The game is fun, and I want to enjoy it for awhile. Yeah, there may come a point at which I might have to say
http://charleneburke.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Igiveupkitty-300x300.jpg


...but until then I'm gonna keep trying

Ruinne
08-05-2014, 02:38 PM
I hear ya, but I am still not gonna give up. The game is fun, and I want to enjoy it for awhile. Yeah, there may come a point at which I might have to say (I give up)

...but until then I'm gonna keep trying


I'm there with you, I'm starting to think I'm a masochist.

All of my friends have quit, I make new friends and they quit.

The game is gradually getting worse and worse, yet here I am, still loving the girl that keeps setting my clothes on fire.

Wraither
08-05-2014, 02:48 PM
I think half of what makes me stay is my clan, the Dawn Breakers... (shameless clan advert?)
We do stuff together, raidcall the coops and have a great time. The other half is the show and the game combined. For me, the fun still outweighs the frustration

Oh and my black Challenger. And my medic Duni. <3

Ruinne
08-05-2014, 02:49 PM
I think half of what makes me stay is my clan, the Dawn Breakers... (shameless clan advert?)
We do stuff together, raidcall the coops and have a great time. The other half is the show and the game combined. For me, the fun still outweighs the frustration

Oh and my black Challenger. And my medic Duni. <3


What platform are you guys on?

Wraither
08-05-2014, 02:59 PM
I'm on PC. Mouse n' keyboard warrior from way back and use a custom keyboard setup for driving

Admittedly, I fail hard on a console. Could never get a handle on the controller thing and never got used to how long it took you to turn around in a fight.

rosetta_cd_29A
08-05-2014, 03:05 PM
What platform are you guys on?

PC NA (✿◠‿◠)

Whisper me for an invite or post in the recruitment thread (http://forums.defiance.com/showthread.php?166853-The-Dawn-Breakers-PC-NA/) if you are interested and on PC NA ! I'm not in game now though but usually am 6-8 hours a night lately


Also, i have been playing for a month now and have purchased three outfits with bits, Trion. Will probably buy the lab coat outfit next time i get paid just for the high heels... Bought the first outfit before the price slash, meh (●^o^●)

Kobalobasileus
08-05-2014, 10:30 PM
I honestly don't see anything that would drive me into the Bits Store. The game was initially designed to be Buy 2 Play, and thus the store should never have been particularly important or central to the player experience... and it's still not!

I have 1200 Bits sitting in my account from buying the Ultimate Edition Boxed Set and really have no idea what to spend them on. Most of the cash costumes are just pallet swaps of costumes I've earned by doing Pursuits, the vehicles are irrelevant, all of the boosts and convenience items are overpriced (plus I'm still riding my free Patron Pass, which I won't need to renew since I'm one Perk away from maxed-out on XP/Skills), and I really hate gambling so I only spend fake currency on gambling-esque mechanics (like lockboxes).

If I could buy specific orange-rarity items with pre-determined bonus rolls for a couple hundred Bits, I might be tempted to shortcut the "longer, more fulfilling chase," but I'm not desperate for such a mechanic, as the current loot mechanics work fine (though Encryption makes no sense, as upgrading to orange from purple for 500 Arkforge was the primary reason people would even consider buying Arkforge with Bits in the first place).

drackiller
08-06-2014, 12:51 AM
All the items would have to drop their prices 10 times. The only item that "was" worth buying is the item slots, the rest is just mehh to me.

duction
08-06-2014, 03:30 AM
I'm already maxed out on inventory slots =(

crazyged
08-06-2014, 03:36 AM
I'm going to carry on playing, because I'm hoping they'll introduce THIS as new head gear:

http://www.crazyfool.co.za/gifs/banana%20helmet.jpg

Then my stay at Defiance will be justified...