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Deunan
08-05-2014, 03:46 PM
I'm starting this thread for players to post their scores and their resulting Key Code and Arkforge rewards from events so we can figure out what the adjusted formula is for these rewards post update 2.2. Presumably the Key Code rewards will be lower since the implied stated objective from the Patch Notes is to lower the accrual rate of Key Codes that players can earn in game.

While I'm hoping Arkforge yields will remain unchanged, for now let's assume those too may have been lowered and post those unless and until it becomes apparent that they haven't been changed.

Please try to keep commentary limited to analysis of what the new formula might be for either kind of reward. While I understand a lot of us are extremely upset right now, the last thing I want is to have a data collection thread get locked or deleted.

Also, if any member of the Defiance Team is reading this thread and would be willing to simply provide the new formulas for these rewards, that would be welcome as well.

Thank you.

Xervez
08-05-2014, 03:50 PM
Hopefully we can still get a good amount of forge and keys...

First Pic is before patch 2.2 SV

will post another after we are able to actually get into the game.

PiccolaRivolta
08-05-2014, 03:56 PM
Well...as soon as we are able to play I'll post a shot.

Alastar
08-05-2014, 09:17 PM
Now that the servers are back up its time to start collecting that data and see what the damage is.

OttawaREDBLACKS
08-05-2014, 09:20 PM
of a score of 123k on the pc na on a hellbug arkfall I got 6 keys and 2 arkforge if I am not mistaken, this was back in my log so it may not be right. Will edit later with additional scores on a mix of xbox and pc.

second one a hellbug arkfall 55k score 4 keys no forge
33k score seige 2 keys no forge
dm 255k score 10 keys 7 forge
hellbug 96k 5 keys 1 forge

Alastar
08-05-2014, 09:24 PM
Don't forget what kind of ark fall too. Major/minor/hellbug/dark fall etc etc.

EDIT: doesn't really matter with an across the board formula but wutevs :p

ConcreteSnake
08-05-2014, 09:30 PM
of a score of 123k on the pc na I got 6 keys and 2 arkforge if I am not mistaken, this was back in my log so it may not be right. Will edit later with additional scores on a mix of xbox and pc.

wow.....just wow

hellbug matron
score 56639
keys 4
arkforge 0
scrip 452

if this stays it means there is no efficiant way to actually ear arkforge for the prices in the matrix.

boogiejive
08-05-2014, 09:31 PM
100k and change= 7 keys and 2 ark forge

Midori Oku
08-05-2014, 09:35 PM
I guess this means you can't get keys from emergencies anymore. Also, if your clan has the +1 keycode boost, please post that you have it.

crystal030405
08-05-2014, 09:40 PM
score 113454
keys 7
forge 2

boss hellbug helion

is this a joke wheres the real rewards

QipQip
08-05-2014, 09:42 PM
7502
79k score 5 keys 1 arkforge.We do have the clan bonus.

Alastar
08-05-2014, 09:44 PM
I'd post my rewards but as I was verifying patched content.....CONSOLE FREEZE. Restart patch :3

OrpheusXI
08-05-2014, 09:49 PM
boss hellbug helion
156k
9 keys
5 or 6 ark

I know everything is maxed out in our clan.

Pretty sure it used to be double that.

I'm officially quitting. Giving everything away to my clan members.

Stubin
08-05-2014, 09:49 PM
My clan has that and you don't get an extra key for completing any activity anymore.

Flame Shark
08-05-2014, 10:12 PM
1st on expert map

5 Keys
10 Ark forge

50k hellion

4 Keys
No Ark Forge

With clan key boost

Murzin
08-05-2014, 10:17 PM
if this stays it means there is no efficient way to actually ear arkforge for the prices in the matrix.

yes there is, you have to farm the "bit store" which only requires a "credit card"

they must be pretty badly hemorrhaging cash if they are lowering the arkforge/keys formula to these levels.

OttawaREDBLACKS
08-05-2014, 10:19 PM
boss hellbug helion
156k
9 keys
5 or 6 ark

I know everything is maxed out in our clan.

Pretty sure it used to be double that.

I'm officially quitting. Giving everything away to my clan members.
Not trying to derail the thread but I will say this anyways. So you've been here since april 2013 but your angry now about the amount of keys. remember where keys were maxed out at 6 even if you killed a infinite enemies.

maverick07
08-05-2014, 10:19 PM
Okay... did an Incursion at Diablo. Timed out with 2 minutes left (figures :( sorry score isn't exact) but with about 199k here is what I got (with clan bonus).

11 keys
5 forge

I also made note of drops. I got 25 item drops from the whole incursion - 15 whites, 5 greens, 5 blues (most of the blues came from the monarchs).

SerpentRider
08-05-2014, 10:20 PM
Hellion
Score 266074
Keycodes 14
Arkforge 8
Scrip ~3000 (cant see on a screenshot)

With clan bonus.

maverick07
08-05-2014, 10:26 PM
Not trying to derail the thread but I will say this anyways. So you've been here since april 2013 but your angry now about the amount of keys. remember where keys were maxed out at 6 even if you killed a infinite enemies.

You could also just tag Arkfalls back then and leave and get a guaranteed 5 keys per major and 3 per minor. Now we are putting the work in for garbage payouts.

ConcreteSnake
08-05-2014, 10:27 PM
Dark matter arkfall (showed up at monocrit)
score 190681 (power kill of 88k)
11 keys
5 arkforge
1525 scrip

rewarded no more, we will be.

DeadEye68
08-05-2014, 10:29 PM
So far the formula for keys looks like 1 key per 10 k to 30k, 1 key per 20k after, and Score/25000 -2.5 rounded down for AF.

More samples are needed, preferably accurate ones.

Key rewards seem to be effectively halved, coupled with price increase at vendors, making lockboxes 20 times more expensive.

AF yields from events is at least 3 - 3.5 times less than before.

To put it politely, that's harsh.

Deunan
08-05-2014, 10:35 PM
You could also just tag Arkfalls back then and leave and get a guaranteed 5 keys per major and 3 per minor. Now we are putting the work in for garbage payouts.Thaaaaank you. This was the mechanic I forgot about when I was wondering if I was missing something about the old scoring system. I used to use Decoy and a BMG a lot back then. :p

Also back then Key Codes were much cheaper and at one point didn't even cost scrip.

Not my best effort but 87,871 on today's daily Chimera contract.
5 Key Codes
11 Arkforge

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5566/14841467512_d457052373_c.jpg

Compared to yesterday's daily Chimera contract with a lower score of 82,461
11 Key Codes
15 Arkforge

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5560/14839442324_28c0757bc1_c.jpg

Bonehead
08-05-2014, 11:34 PM
More data points.

http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag464/lenzdude/2014-08-05_00001_zpsd28a88c8.jpg

http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag464/lenzdude/2014-08-05_00002_zpsfa4f3c40.jpg

http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag464/lenzdude/2014-08-05_00003_zps74848175.jpg

ConcreteSnake
08-05-2014, 11:47 PM
Always from one extreme to the next

ConcreteSnake
08-05-2014, 11:49 PM
So far the formula for keys looks like 1 key per 10 k to 30k, 1 key per 20k after, and Score/25000 -2.5 rounded down for AF.

More samples are needed, preferably accurate ones.

Key rewards seem to be effectively halved, coupled with price increase at vendors, making lockboxes 20 times more expensive.

AF yields from events is at least 3 - 3.5 times less than before.

To put it politely, that's harsh.

also lowered the scores for kill shot variants so scores in general are lowered, then halved of old rewards system.

Midori Oku
08-05-2014, 11:52 PM
This is absolutely terrible. We hardly get more keys than we did back when the game was first released. I wish we could just go back to set rewards at this point. At least then we could join in an arkfall at the boss and still get full credit.

PTR47
08-05-2014, 11:58 PM
This is absolutely terrible. We hardly get more keys than we did back when the game was first released. I wish we could just go back to set rewards at this point. At least then we could join in an arkfall at the boss and still get full credit.

Pretty terrible. I started pulling numbers from the thread, but it just made me feel ill.

ABCjohnson123
08-06-2014, 12:09 AM
~197,000
8 Keys
5 Ark Forge

Unsatisfactory... Period!

Nefarious
08-06-2014, 12:09 AM
Well is anyone considering on what you will be using Ark Forge on anyway now??

The use of Ark Forge has been drastically cut do to Encryption. Kinda makes sense to cut down on Ark Forge given.

B1eedingThumbs
08-06-2014, 12:19 AM
Dear valued customer it has come to our attention that you wasn't buying ark forge at an acceptable rate therefore we added encryption in the attempt to encourage you to buy lockboxes from the bit store.

To make sure you purchase your lockboxes from the bit store we have lowered all rewards and increased the cost of keycodes. Please enjoy your "free" expansion

Zombie Stark
08-06-2014, 01:14 AM
Gosh, this is sad.. I feel bad for the new "F2P" players. The grind is now longer and less rewarding then it's ever been before, and with the addition of this games terrible RNG. Is this really what trick considers a fulfilling chase??

Vavtrudner
08-06-2014, 01:31 AM
Just did a Mother of Hellbugs arkfall, got score: 113157, 6 keys and 2 Arkforge

jackdaws_1999
08-06-2014, 01:44 AM
74k from a volge incursion, got 3 keys no arkforge, our clan is rank 3

268k at a dark Matter arkfall, got 13 keys, 7 or 8 arkforge.


will start screenshotting for more accuracy (didnt think to at the time). Havent pulled a single keycode from any emergencies all night, and only got one or two from doing daily conflict sites. Havent tried co-op yet.

430005
08-06-2014, 01:45 AM
Is this really what trick considers a fulfilling chase??

Now everyone will go buy lockboxes and arkforge from itemshop instead of play the game :cool:

Pandur
08-06-2014, 01:49 AM
Wow, I know it shouldn't bother me because I don't use any of the currencies much anymore.
But just wow were back to step one..............

Somehow I'm not motivated to even try out Sillicon valley, I'll just head back to bed :P

KasperSheitup
08-06-2014, 03:21 AM
I did a WM earlier and while I forgot exactly what my rewards were, I got ~130k score and was raging because I thought I was failing hard but I ended up on first place. Seems there are no more points for armor breaks.
I think I got like 5 keys and 2 arkforge but not sure at all I just wanted to tell about the WM.
No incentive at all to do him anymore. Used to be pretty good for farming forge but now not so much.

SilverWF
08-06-2014, 03:35 AM
http://i.imgur.com/wmk1M22.jpg

I came there at 1 min before the end.
My EGO 3820, Clan EGO is 1000

Chump Norris
08-06-2014, 03:39 AM
-snip-
Is this really what trick considers a fulfilling chase??

I think he wants the chase to be..spend two weeks at work and spend 30 minutes blowing your paycheck in the bit store.

Ashaya Aladriel
08-06-2014, 03:40 AM
So....

WM -- 254,655 points
15 keycodes
2 AF

Hellbug Hellion (killshot) -- 187,318
16 keycodes
15 AF

There IS no pattern, unless the killshot actually affected my payout.

Just thought I would share this, make of it what y'all will.

shadowvox2013
08-06-2014, 03:53 AM
volge swarm at quarry 240000,8 forge,4keys btw never received keys in inventory rewards 1 white vot tacc auto shot 1 green vot tacmag place 1st buy more than 190k points

Faelx
08-06-2014, 04:02 AM
http://s2.postimg.org/gtyrgi1md/Untitledd.png (http://postimg.org/image/gtyrgi1md/)

http://s2.postimg.org/olfhf25rp/Untitleddd.png (http://postimg.org/image/olfhf25rp/)

Vavtrudner
08-06-2014, 06:12 AM
Did a mount tam incursion and took a screenshot this time

http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/45353414730980662/50FB40A565FC55E798EE60E28F35D0E13CA838D0/

OMalley
08-06-2014, 07:41 AM
On WM:

Score: 161,000
AF: 8

Sorry, did not note keys...

Snib
08-06-2014, 07:59 AM
Slightly off-topic but seeing you guys get worked up it might be worth noting that legendaries seem to drop like candy now. Just been playing a bit and had 3 of them drop. Considering I had exactly zero of them from lock-boxes previously I'm rather happy about the change. More fun to get them as a drop than to bother with lock-boxes.

Giren
08-06-2014, 09:11 AM
http://s2.postimg.org/gtyrgi1md/Untitledd.png (http://postimg.org/image/gtyrgi1md/)

http://s2.postimg.org/olfhf25rp/Untitleddd.png (http://postimg.org/image/olfhf25rp/)

hey what incursion did you do that you only got like 16.7k points and scored a orange?

Overtkill21
08-06-2014, 09:20 AM
hey what incursion did you do that you only got like 16.7k points and scored a orange?

You're not seeing it correctly sir, it's 166K:

166,101 to be exact.

SilverWF
08-06-2014, 09:49 AM
Some new screenshots:

Hellbug Arkfall in the Silicon Valley, killshot.
http://i.imgur.com/satD1ld.jpg

Volge incursion in the San-Francisco
http://i.imgur.com/JAqMt3O.jpg

BifBologna
08-06-2014, 09:51 AM
http://i.imgur.com/UqnXGCJl.png (http://i.imgur.com/UqnXGCJ.png)

Got there a bit late. Outside and First room were already cleared.

Tgreen
08-06-2014, 10:05 AM
You're not seeing it correctly sir, it's 166K:

166,101 to be exact.

He looked at the Keys and Arkforge gained and probably assumed it can't be a six digit score. ;P

This patch, although the new zone is nice, is a complete and utter disaster for the game.

Varmint Hunter
08-06-2014, 10:21 AM
I noticed in the chat log that there seemed to be a bonus keycode. There was one line for a "+4" and then a "+1" after that. That may have been a killshot on the final boss.

crazyged
08-06-2014, 11:56 AM
Just did a major hellbug arkfall.

Placed first, and in my excitement at getting one whole arkforge, totally forgot to take a screenshot or pay any attention to how many keys or my score!

Bonehead
08-06-2014, 12:58 PM
Daily contracts.

http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag464/lenzdude/2014-08-06_00002_zpsfd331959.jpg

http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag464/lenzdude/2014-08-06_00003_zps7d0db07b.jpg

http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag464/lenzdude/2014-08-06_00001_zps0f219b26.jpg

Varmint Hunter
08-06-2014, 02:25 PM
I'm pretty sure now the second line of KC in the chat is a +1 from the killshot in an arkfall event.

Tgreen
08-06-2014, 02:38 PM
Yeah, conflict sites and minor arkfalls are at 0-1 keycodes. How much of a reduction is that? 75-100%. :rolleyes:

lukeskyw
08-06-2014, 02:45 PM
not only the keycode droping rate has been nerfed, but everything else : Arkforge (barrely got 20-25 arkforge tonight while getting 63-64 keycode), Scrip and even the xp.
Someone at trion put the wrong multiplier somewhere in the code to ninja lot more than what was announce in the patch note.

PTR47
08-06-2014, 02:52 PM
XP still appears to be half score, rounded down.

RobDaCool
08-06-2014, 02:59 PM
I may not of noticed them before, but why are there plus signs next to some peoples names?

Bonehead
08-06-2014, 03:02 PM
I may not of noticed them before, but why are there plus signs next to some peoples names?

It means they are running a score boost.

lukeskyw
08-06-2014, 03:03 PM
I may not of noticed them before, but why are there plus signs next to some peoples names?

the score board show the real score, the plus sign means that the players got a bonus (so his 'private' score will be higher than what you see).

Deunan
08-06-2014, 03:05 PM
not only the keycode droping rate has been nerfed, but everything else : Arkforge (barrely got 20-25 arkforge tonight while getting 63-64 keycode), Scrip and even the xp.
Someone at trion put the wrong multiplier somewhere in the code to ninja lot more than what was announce in the patch note.It's in the patch notes. They referenced rewards from events generically, not just key codes, which is why I asked players to post Arkforge as well.

"....rebalanced the rewards gained from score in events"

I didn't ask about scrip and xp because that's not of primary concern when it comes to how these changes affect gear progression.

LegendaryU2K
08-06-2014, 03:07 PM
are the devs going to comment about this and fix this, key prices are insane, whats the point of using the box anymore, also is xp down, mall also?

please fix it.

She Wolf
08-06-2014, 03:23 PM
Incursion in Madera on PC EU:

http://i.imgur.com/93aArGz.jpg

Oddly, the first T3 lockbox I bought after that gave me an orange RL and 50AF! Next one was usual crap though :D

Edit: not sure if this is relevant, but EGO rating at ~2.7K

skepticck
08-06-2014, 04:28 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Gcl9Tatl.jpg (http://imgur.com/Gcl9Tat)

http://i.imgur.com/WjzXUZel.jpg (http://imgur.com/WjzXUZe)

http://i.imgur.com/uw2Btmll.jpg (http://imgur.com/uw2Btml)

Bonehead
08-06-2014, 04:37 PM
Looking pretty sad...

DeadEye68
08-06-2014, 04:46 PM
Looking pretty sad...

45 minutes to an hour of gaming for 10 keys and 2 arkforge ... not exactly what I would call motivating. One of those players with "limited playtime" as Trick mentioned, playing maybe 2 hours a day will be able to purchase two T4 lockboxes a week. One if he/she doesn't play everyday.

... and earn about 30 arkforge a week, at best. So much for the "great rewards".

Playing Defiance is going to be a bigger leap of faith than it has ever been.

Odessa
08-06-2014, 04:48 PM
Looking pretty sad...

Extremely disheartening. :( I know it's not *MY* game... but I feel as if it was. It's like finding a shiny seed and planting it. After months of care, watering and talking to it... It ends up being a thorn bush. :/

Thank you for this thread, Deunan. At least people can see what they lost. I can't even bring myself to play it to add to the statistics.

Alastar
08-06-2014, 04:49 PM
45 minutes to an hour of gaming for 10 keys and 2 arkforge ... not exactly what I would call motivating. One of those players with "limited playtime" as Trick mentioned, playing maybe 2 hours a day will be able to purchase two T4 lockboxes a week. One if he/she doesn't play everyday.

... and earn about 30 arkforge a week, at best. So much for the "great rewards".

Longer more fulfilling chase ;)

Varmint Hunter
08-06-2014, 04:51 PM
Ah, I take back there being a bonus for the boss killshot. Now I think there's a bonus KC for being near the top of the leaderboard. I showed up late to the party and only thing I killed was a symbiot. 24000 score for that, no bonus KC, and 12th on the board, IIRC. That bonus KC line is from turning on system messages in a chat tab.

She Wolf
08-06-2014, 05:07 PM
A couple more results from this evening's explosive slaughter:

http://i.imgur.com/UzULX0Q.jpg

LegendaryU2K
08-06-2014, 05:22 PM
Can a dev or CM make a comment about what is going on and why this happen, or can someone tell me the reason why they decided to do this?

Bonehead
08-06-2014, 05:35 PM
Can a dev or CM make a comment about what is going on and why this happen, or can someone tell me the reason why they decided to do this?

Two words.

Bit store.

DeadEye68
08-06-2014, 05:37 PM
Bit Store.

Funny what you can do with fonts

BJWyler
08-06-2014, 05:49 PM
Just did a Grid minor in SV. What a joke (Clan has maxed everything):

skepticck
08-06-2014, 06:29 PM
Minor Arkfall:

http://i.imgur.com/sojXH8o.jpg

Major Arkfall :

http://i.imgur.com/726aCkp.jpg
killed many mobs outside and when i finally loaded the inside people had already killed all mobs and were about to start the WM, says i have 0 kills so i guess the outside ones don't count ?

On a side note did they also nerf the keys from the daily & weekly Ark hunter rewards ?
i got 3 from daily and 8 from weekly, can't remember if it was the same before.

Also wow major nerf to mob loot drop rate, i 'm getting grenades and other crap but very few weapons and the ones i get are mostly whites with a few greens.

DEATHBRINGER210
08-06-2014, 06:41 PM
150k 7 keys 3 forge hellbug major

Trion do u even care
08-06-2014, 06:41 PM
Here is the rundown. Before update 100,000 point about 10 keys with patron pass, know you have to get 200,000 points to get 20 keys.

2. it maybe events give you less keys.

3. The old key system is back 5 key codes if u heal and do dmg.

I'm going to try a BMG and see what happens. I will get back to u all.

skepticck
08-06-2014, 06:53 PM
109,492 points 5 keys, with patron pass :(

http://i.imgur.com/CGNyESm.jpg

Chump Norris
08-06-2014, 06:56 PM
It makes me sad. I couldnt chat much last night (black text) and had no urge to do Arkfalls because of these nerfs.

Varmint Hunter
08-06-2014, 07:00 PM
Yeah, looks like it's about 20,000 points in score per one keycode in most events for me. I don't have any high AF events recorded, but the ones I have are just (KC-3) with the slope of the trend line looking exactly the same as KC.

ETA: Just remembered the minimum 5000 score that sometimes appears for completing things without doing anything. That's about the same offset, so my line looks pretty close to [ KC = (score + 5000)/20000 ] and that equation fits what I have assuming truncation and removing the apparent bonus KC from being high on the board.

Silly Squirl
08-06-2014, 07:04 PM
Got fourth in one of the new Grid Evangel Siege things: 1 key code, no ark forge.

Got first in the Gulanee Minor Arkbreaker: 3 key codes, 8 ark forge.

cuba 666
08-06-2014, 07:06 PM
I finally did it......yeahhhhhhhhh...!!!?....

45 majors ark falls today a big total of 221 keys and 97 arkforges........do the MATH Trion...... Really 45 majors back to back non stop.......this is not SPARTAAAAAA.....This is MADNESSSSSSSSSSS......!!!!!!!!!!??????????

Milkweed
08-06-2014, 07:07 PM
Just over 100K at DM arkfall earlier today. 8 keys, 4 forge. Clan has key bonus.

I'm quitting Defiance.

gfldaven
08-06-2014, 07:21 PM
i went from buying with keycodes 4-5 t4 boxes per 12-16 hour day... today i have yet to buy 1 because i have earned after 15 hours a grand total of 27 keycodes for my time and i have been doing events all day

Xaat Xuun
08-06-2014, 07:32 PM
late last night for me, did these .. only time I remembered to take screen shot, but the other 3 times were pretty much the around the same
this was done on my free account, own clan of 1(just created last night too), low level, no boost

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii601/XaatXuun/score2_zps991a1137.jpg


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii601/XaatXuun/score1_zps0c58f43b.jpg

WhiteF8ng
08-06-2014, 08:59 PM
Good lord...wtf has happened? This is reminiscent of the first scoring reward tiers. Let me get a score post out of the way because I haven't been back on since.

Mt. Tam Incursion
92k
7keys
1AF

At this rate only the expert co-ops are worth the time. Rewards, as they are now, are no where near the time/effort payout we should expect. I understand adjusting the AF due to a decline of it's necessity. However, there is nothing that has been increased to balance this change. You can't just reduce EVERYTHING. Something has to be easier to gain to create that sense of rarity. Right now, nothing feels worth doing. And tbh, as a high EGO player, I didn't really care to do Arkfalls these last few weeks minus the bosses being weekly contracts. This new rewards system has only solidified that feeling.

To the devs: It'd be nice to see a dev respond to a thread that directly challenges the mechanics in place with some kind of explanation...seriously...

@Deunan: Do you have an update on where the reward tiers are currently?

ConcreteSnake
08-06-2014, 08:59 PM
Warmaster, 2nd place - 101482

keys - 3
arkforge - 6

hmmmmm

Deunan
08-06-2014, 09:58 PM
@Deunan: Do you have an update on where the reward tiers are currently?No. I haven't been playing the game much lately in general and less so since 2.2. I haven't even been to Silicon Valley. I just want to do my contracts and leave. I finished my contracts today so I'm off to try Firefall.

LegendaryU2K
08-06-2014, 10:49 PM
I'm enjoying this game, but is a DEV going to fix this problem or just ignore us?
i mean serious, to me, its not a major issue, i mean i still get to find cool guns, items, supply trucks are always nice to buy some cool stuff, but i miss buying boxes, and well if they keep this around, its ruining things for everyone pretty much.

just go back to it.

BifBologna
08-07-2014, 12:02 AM
http://i.imgur.com/VxkhzUml.png (http://i.imgur.com/VxkhzUm.png)

http://i.imgur.com/BPMhSPYl.png (http://i.imgur.com/BPMhSPY.png)

Yrkul
08-07-2014, 01:06 AM
Arrived at a DM arkfall just as the monolith landed:

159811
7 keys.
4 arkforge
1278 scrip.


No. I haven't been playing the game much lately in general and less so since 2.2. I haven't even been to Silicon Valley. I just want to do my contracts and leave. I finished my contracts today so I'm off to try Firefall.
I've also stopped doing much more than contracts, and dawdling around a bit with the low level alt. I'll be seeing you in Copacabana. :)

Kane Fraiser
08-07-2014, 01:18 AM
2nd place in Dark Matter Monolith, just finished 1 minute ago, results: 47k power kill, total score: 160k, 9 keycodes, 4 arkforge... taking offers on arkforge once again!

PTR47
08-07-2014, 01:34 AM
Did this once, PLEASE post all numbers. If you put in a "k", you can't count it. Also, stating boosts is helpful.

PeepSquasher
08-07-2014, 01:52 AM
Major Arkfall : Hellbug Hellion
Score 129,000
8 Keys
4 Arkforge

Analysis : Not worth it :P

Kane Fraiser
08-07-2014, 01:54 AM
Did this once, PLEASE post all numbers. If you put in a "k", you can't count it. Also, stating boosts is helpful.

"160k" is close enough, 160,500 is not gonna get you an extra keycode, don't worry.

SilverWF
08-07-2014, 02:02 AM
try Firefall.

Don't worth of downloading time...

Xaat Xuun
08-07-2014, 02:13 AM
main character, first score for Dark matter- Patron pass, Skill boost,

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii601/XaatXuun/Score3_zpse0d7049b.jpg


Second score just the Patron pass

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii601/XaatXuun/score4_zpsddd853bc.jpg

rosetta_cd_29A
08-07-2014, 02:18 AM
Was a bit shocked when i saw these rewards. I knew to expect nerfs, but wow.

http://i.imgur.com/QWFjViw.png

http://i.imgur.com/BN2Hfjw.png
This is with patron pass and a score boost from my daily box.

Xaat Xuun
08-07-2014, 04:38 AM
Patron pass only

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii601/XaatXuun/score5_zpsb00aa9b0.jpg

cuba 666
08-07-2014, 05:05 AM
trion look in here what else you want from as.???? This is madness.....!!!????

drackiller
08-07-2014, 05:07 AM
Please people, stop posting this madness...YOU ARE GAINING TOO MUCH ARK FORGE per event...

...they will nerf it. Mark my words.

cuba 666
08-07-2014, 07:15 AM
please people, stop posting this madness...you are gaining too much ark forge per event...

...they will nerf it. Mark my words.
lol..................:)

squidgod2000
08-07-2014, 08:06 AM
I'm enjoying this game, but is a DEV going to fix this problem or just ignore us?

It's not a problem, it's a feature.

K Ron Spliffs
08-07-2014, 08:10 AM
Longer and more fulfilling chase.
Working as intended.
Because of grenades.

Devnos
08-07-2014, 08:44 AM
Dem nades <.<

no really, this is really pitiful play, why would they nerf arkforge gains into oblivion is beyond comprehension.

the game was ok before now its just lol move along. who cares about loot anymore.

still

Dem nades :rolleyes:

Lorchra
08-07-2014, 09:08 AM
Arkfall: Major Dark Matter
Score: 354,608
Ranked: 1st
Ark key: 15
Ark forge: 12

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee116/MillaMerani/th_Defiance2014-08-0712-58_zps30d1ae6c.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/user/MillaMerani/media/Defiance2014-08-0712-58_zps30d1ae6c.jpg.html)

internaut
08-07-2014, 09:17 AM
Did someone post anything with a 100% plus score boost? If not, can you do it. Pre 2.0 WM players who ended on top with scores of 400k, 500k plus, had arkforge credits close to 50.

Phaine
08-07-2014, 10:13 AM
8/6
Soleptor Excavation - Expert
Score 78887
Keys 7
Arkforge 11

Diablo Siege
Score 135444
Leaderboard Score 122750
Keys 9
Arkforge 3


8/7
Dark Matter Mayhem
Score 253239
Keys 13
Arkforge 8

Incursion in Mount Tam
Score 56973
Leaderboard Score 51313
Keys 4
Arkforge 0

Volge Swarm at the Quarry
Score 52352
Keys 4
Arkforge 0

SilverWF
08-07-2014, 10:30 AM
A lot of new screenshots from daily events.

http://i.imgur.com/yhzw04N.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/OoYQdte.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/IatGVwf.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/odVfBey.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/IRoayyH.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/3TcJLSU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QAn5cFN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/NqoMKGy.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/4p2fZn9.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0xhEP1K.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RBnmEk0.jpg

I think, I'll not post it anymore - it's always nearly the same results...

maverick07
08-07-2014, 12:52 PM
No. I haven't been playing the game much lately in general and less so since 2.2. I haven't even been to Silicon Valley. I just want to do my contracts and leave. I finished my contracts today so I'm off to try Firefall.

Yeah. Same here. I got off last night after roaming around SV for like an hour doing storyline and emergencies. My motivation is pretty much gone after this update.

I haven't had any desire to run events but I've studied the scores posted. I did manage to run a Grid Minor Arkfall yesterday though and ended up with 19,4xx and 2 keys. Comparing this to other scores in this thread... it appears the bonus key is working. You also get another bonus key for the next tier of keys, with 97,5xx I got 7 keys, and other scores in this thread are around 100k with 5 keys.

Not sure what the second tier of keycodes is. But... I an idea what the first tier of keycodes is... and what the Arkforge tier is like.

Note: This does not include Arkbreaks. Arkbreaks have the rewards reversed, meaning, they reward Arkforge in place of keys and vice versa - going by scores posted it appears this is still true.

Keycode Tiers
15,000 - 60,000: 1 key every 15,000 score
60,000+: ?????
Clan bonus key info: 1 bonus key per tier

Arkforge
Starts at 75,000
75,000+: 1 Arkforge every 25,000 score

These aren't confirmed. Just tossin' some numbers out there to check :cool:.

Zexceed
08-07-2014, 02:30 PM
This was the worst part of the update imo. -.- It just kills my will to even try that hard, since their is such little reward.

cuba 666
08-07-2014, 02:38 PM
I got the best score today.............NO PLAY FOR 24 hrs....no keys no arkforges..... But peace in mind.....

WhiteF8ng
08-07-2014, 07:57 PM
No. I haven't been playing the game much lately in general and less so since 2.2. I haven't even been to Silicon Valley. I just want to do my contracts and leave. I finished my contracts today so I'm off to try Firefall.

Ouch. That makes 2 of us. Except I don't want to do the contracts either right now. Not even the exp co-ops. Must be a space ninja night for me again...


I got the best score today.............NO PLAY FOR 24 hrs....no keys no arkforges..... But peace in mind.....
That's the best reward of all cuz Ain't nobody got time fo' these rewards...


Yeah. Same here. I got off last night after roaming around SV for like an hour doing storyline and emergencies. My motivation is pretty much gone after this update.

I haven't had any desire to run events but I've studied the scores posted. I did manage to run a Grid Minor Arkfall yesterday though and ended up with 19,4xx and 2 keys. Comparing this to other scores in this thread... it appears the bonus key is working. You also get another bonus key for the next tier of keys, with 97,5xx I got 7 keys, and other scores in this thread are around 100k with 5 keys.

Not sure what the second tier of keycodes is. But... I an idea what the first tier of keycodes is... and what the Arkforge tier is like.

Note: This does not include Arkbreaks. Arkbreaks have the rewards reversed, meaning, they reward Arkforge in place of keys and vice versa - going by scores posted it appears this is still true.

Keycode Tiers
15,000 - 60,000: 1 key every 15,000 score
60,000+: ?????
Clan bonus key info: 1 bonus key per tier

Arkforge
Starts at 75,000
75,000+: 1 Arkforge every 25,000 score

These aren't confirmed. Just tossin' some numbers out there to check :cool:.

To keep the thread on topic, has anyone bothered playing still to verify Mav's guesses so far?

Deunan
08-07-2014, 08:09 PM
I am clanless so no clan key bonus is applicable to my rewards

Mother of All Hellbugs Major Arkfall
154,676
7 Key Codes
4 Arkforge

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5578/14876141093_6648efe88c_c.jpg

If Mav's guess is correct you actually get fewer key codes for score after the first tier, i.e. 30,000 for each additional key code in my case.

While it's hard for me to figure out the exact number because several players didn't post whether they had a clan key bonus, it does seem fairly clear from the numbers that the increments for keys do get larger after the first tier which is counter intuitive to what a non-dysfunctional reward system based on score should be like. You're key code accrual rate is penalized for getting a score above the first tier.

Deunan
08-07-2014, 08:14 PM
Arkforge
Starts at 75,000
75,000+: 1 Arkforge every 25,000 score.Players are posting 1 Arkforge gain with scores uder 75,000.

Midori Oku
08-07-2014, 08:23 PM
Just did a Smash And Grab minor arkbreak.

Score = 36318
EXP = 20079
Arkforge = 2
Scrip = 401

Yeah, totally worth the 10k price on ark spike batteries. So much for arkbreaks supposedly being a good source of arkforge.


Edit: Hellbug Uprising

Score = 124609
EXP = 62304
Keycodes = 8 (Extra key from clan bonus)
Arkforge = 2
Scrip = 1245

PTR47
08-07-2014, 10:12 PM
Looks right on the AF, Mav. Awesome work. It looks like after 60k on the Keys, it changes to increments of 25k. Also looks like scrip possibly changed from a divider of 150 to 125 -- don't know who has bonuses and who doesn't.

Deunan: The numbers across the board are really inconsistent, but those numbers appear to be the underlying trend.


"160k" is close enough, 160,500 is not gonna get you an extra keycode, don't worry.

:) 159,881 versus 160,500 can make a world of difference when you're trying to work out the trends, Kane.

StrikerF91
08-07-2014, 10:54 PM
Dark Matter
Score=180483
Keys=8
Arkforge=5
Placed=11th

Hellbug uprising
Score=119281
Keys=6
Arkforge=2
Placed=5th

Revolting hellbugs
Score=46842
Keys=3
Arkforge=0
Placed=15th

Miner Conversion
Score=21233
Keys=1
Arkforge=0
Placed=9th

Control Grid
Score=14039
Keys=0
Arkforge=0
Placed=8th

crazyged
08-07-2014, 11:25 PM
Got in late on this one with a score boost running - no arkforge:

http://www.crazyfool.co.za/gifs/1.jpg
http://www.crazyfool.co.za/gifs/2.jpg

RayneMal
08-07-2014, 11:37 PM
I was the only one in a grid arkfall in SV and had a score of 11k with neither to turn up.

SirServed
08-07-2014, 11:39 PM
Players are posting 1 Arkforge gain with scores uder 75,000.
I believe his report is the calculator for a Major Arkfall. You start getting Arkforge at 75k points and 1 extra per 25k points after.

drackiller
08-07-2014, 11:53 PM
I think you should stop posting those results, they are way too generous...they will be nerfed. ;)

Bored Peon
08-07-2014, 11:59 PM
Alamo Park 126k score, 3 keys, 2 arkforge.

It used to be MUCH higher than that.

PTR47
08-08-2014, 12:08 AM
Double checked on my account, looks like Scrip is the same. So, this file should be perfect.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/45067294/Def_rew.xlsx

RayneMal
08-08-2014, 12:22 AM
Not sure when I jumped in but the INC boosted me past the 2000 mark!
75217522

DeadEye68
08-08-2014, 12:49 AM
Double checked on my account, looks like Scrip is the same. So, this file should be perfect.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/45067294/Def_rew.xlsx

Completing the difference formula with -1 would give more explicit results.

PTR47
08-08-2014, 01:06 AM
Is this what you mean?

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/45067294/Def_rew.xlsx

DeadEye68
08-08-2014, 01:18 AM
Is this what you mean?

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/45067294/Def_rew.xlsx

Adding a line wasn't necessary, but yes that was what I meant.

PTR47
08-08-2014, 01:23 AM
Adding a line wasn't necessary, but yes that was what I meant.

:) seemed easier

DeadEye68
08-08-2014, 01:32 AM
:) seemed easier

Force of habit. Due to my line of work I'm trimming out all excess fat in my spreadsheets.

Xaat Xuun
08-08-2014, 02:09 AM
No Clan, No Boost of any kind

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii601/XaatXuun/score7_zps99b39b99.jpg

;

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii601/XaatXuun/score6_zps0e1efbc8.jpg

Dralch
08-08-2014, 03:51 AM
Here are mine

Dralch
08-08-2014, 04:35 AM
Here is from a incursion

SilverWF
08-08-2014, 04:46 AM
I've said I 'll not post anymore, but this was pretty strange: only 1 Kc and 5 AF

http://i.imgur.com/HljMD3y.jpg

DeadEye68
08-08-2014, 04:56 AM
Rewards for arkbreaks are switched. You gain as much arkforge as you would've gotten keys from an arkfall.

hiban
08-08-2014, 05:27 AM
I scored about 43000 points in a siege. Recieved nothing because i critted with less than 30 seconds to finish the siege. GOOD JOB TRION!

Odessa
08-08-2014, 09:08 AM
I'm starting this thread for players to post their scores and their resulting Key Code and Arkforge rewards from events so we can figure out what the adjusted formula is for these rewards post update 2.2. Presumably the Key Code rewards will be lower since the implied stated objective from the Patch Notes is to lower the accrual rate of Key Codes that players can earn in game.

While I'm hoping Arkforge yields will remain unchanged, for now let's assume those too may have been lowered and post those unless and until it becomes apparent that they haven't been changed.

Please try to keep commentary limited to analysis of what the new formula might be for either kind of reward. While I understand a lot of us are extremely upset right now, the last thing I want is to have a data collection thread get locked or deleted.

Also, if any member of the Defiance Team is reading this thread and would be willing to simply provide the new formulas for these rewards, that would be welcome as well.

Thank you.

I'm guessing them giving the formula isn't happening. Have you managed to decipher anything from the data collected so far? Besides "this sucks", that is.

PTR47
08-08-2014, 10:05 AM
I'm guessing them giving the formula isn't happening. Have you managed to decipher anything from the data collected so far? Besides "this sucks", that is.

http://forums.defiance.com/showthread.php?170273-Post-Scores-and-Arkforge-Key-Code-Rewards-Here-Please&p=1587538&viewfull=1#post1587538

To be specific:
EXP = ROUNDDOWN((SCORE/2),0)
Experience is half your score.

KEYS = IF(SCORE<60000, (ROUNDDOWN((SCORE/15000),0)), (ROUNDDOWN(((SCORE-60000)/25000),0)+4))
You gain one key per 15k below 60k and one key per 25k after.

AF = IF(SCORE>75000, (ROUNDDOWN(((SCORE/25000)-2),0)), 0)
After 75k, you gain one AF per 25k.

SCRIP = ROUNDDOWN((SCORE/150),0)
You earn your score divided by 150 as scrip.

crazyged
08-08-2014, 06:07 PM
3:00 am in South Africa, and just finished an incursion:

http://www.crazyfool.co.za/gifs/incursion-1.jpg
http://www.crazyfool.co.za/gifs/incursion-2.jpg

ironcladtrash
08-08-2014, 07:11 PM
I do have a clan bonus.

http://i.imgur.com/JDP7D50.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RNnt39w.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wVU6wzl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hTIBxKk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/h3Kcf8G.jpg

otonagamer
08-08-2014, 07:26 PM
Dark Matter Monolith

Score 301604
Key 15
Arkforge 10
Scrip 2151
Random Gear Chest

*with Clan boost

Darien
08-08-2014, 08:34 PM
You are just going to expose any remaining good ways to farm arkforge and get it nerfed.

Bonehead
08-08-2014, 08:59 PM
You are just going to expose any remaining good ways to farm arkforge and get it nerfed.

Pretty hard to nerf it any more and still leave it in the game at this point.

SilverWF
08-09-2014, 06:45 AM
Two 1st places from two different big and long events - I spent nearly a hour for each of them

http://i.imgur.com/BQC7wlU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/VamkKWF.jpg

Ridiculous...

hiban
08-09-2014, 06:51 AM
Oh man! 1 hour for 3 miserable arkforge? That's indeed ridiculous!

ColapsN7
08-09-2014, 07:00 AM
Oh man! 1 hour for 3 miserable arkforge? That's indeed ridiculous!

сильно хромает *very lame System drop

особенного 1 место *special place 1
как минимум 18 ~ 25 ARK key
как минимум 15 ~ 18 repair keys

* значек + это Bosts

Zexceed
08-10-2014, 01:16 AM
Just did one of those miner conversion things as well, placed first with a score of 123,652. I got 6 keycodes and 2 arkforge....are you kidding me. -,-

hiban
08-10-2014, 04:39 PM
http://i.imgur.com/MbJHhcg.png

nathanpbutler
08-10-2014, 05:33 PM
Seems to me that these days the easiest way to get Arkforge is to play expert Co-ops. It isn't fast, but at least the Arkforge given seems to be mostly consistent. I'm not seeing any consistency whatsoever to Arkforge across major event types or within those types.

Deunan
08-10-2014, 08:16 PM
10% Patron Pass Score Bonus
332,474
14 Key Codes
11 Arkforge

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5551/14696024749_ebaedf4083_c.jpg

cmpowell
08-10-2014, 10:36 PM
I appreciate this thread for letting me know that everyone is getting ripped off for the amount of effort they put in, but I can only see trion saying "working as intended"