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Aemi
04-14-2015, 05:14 PM
wtf Expeditions ... dumb.

I don't like what I perceive to elitism catering. Those with awesome gaming skill and are in private circles of with other elite gamers are going to get really good loot from Expeditions.

Maybe I'm a bad guy (when it comes to games, a socialist) but I'd prefer to play a game that is more a slow grind and gamer skill irrelevant.

oh, PvP must be 100% optional and the content which is only available to PvP'er must be non-essential. To put it another way, a significant portion of game content is not denied if you won't PvP.

Thanks in advance for your recommendations :)

Ray8888
04-14-2015, 05:21 PM
I'd prefer to play a game that is more a slow grind and gamer skill irrelevant.

Wait you want skill to matter LESS? Go watch anime.

Mister Derpenhowser
04-14-2015, 05:22 PM
wtf Expeditions ... dumb.

I don't like what I perceive to elitism catering. Those with awesome gaming skill and are in private circles of with other elite gamers are going to get really good loot from Expeditions.

Maybe I'm a bad guy (when it comes to games, a socialist) but I'd prefer to play a game that is more a slow grind and gamer skill irrelevant.

oh, PvP must be 100% optional and the content which is only available to PvP'er must be non-essential. To put it another way, a significant portion of game content is not denied if you won't PvP.

Thanks in advance for your recommendations :)

Sooooo, nothing like defiance? Lol

Aemi
04-14-2015, 05:37 PM
Gotta love the trolling haters.

Once upon a time Defiance was very much like what I describe.

Any recommendation would be very appreciated, tyvm.

Ray8888
04-14-2015, 05:44 PM
But it still is if thats how you want to play.

You dont have to do what every one else is doing. There are skillless weapons. Events are open to all. You can still do the whole open world thing. Adding things do not subtract from whats already there. And PvP IS 100% optional.

Festival
04-14-2015, 05:46 PM
Gotta love the trolling haters.

Once upon a time Defiance was very much like what I describe.

Any recommendation would be very appreciated, tyvm.

I can't really think of a game that's anything like Defiance, but doesn't emphasize skill. Fallen Earth, perhaps...but while I actually love that game for it's insane immersion level, enormous open world, and proper reticule-style targeting, it's not only pretty skill dependent, it's also buggy as hell. PvP is entirely optional, though (unless you fail to watch where you're driving and wander into an open PvP zone...but they're clearly marked).

I've played from launch, and I don't recall a time when Defiance wasn't a game that demanded a fair bit of skill. It's not tab-to-target, for one thing.

Psycroww
04-14-2015, 05:49 PM
Borderlands, Fallout
(This game takes no skill btw)

Aemi
04-14-2015, 05:52 PM
I do like Defiance's PvP scheme. Its a good example of exactly how it should be. I asked for other game recommendations and the PvP disclaimer is kinda important in that regard.

I play games to have fun. I see the developers of Defiances moving it in a directions I don't find fun (it started with threat scaling). I understand there are other things I can do but I'd rather play a game where the developers are taking it in a direction, and adding new content, that I enjoy.

Aemi
04-14-2015, 06:06 PM
I've played from launch, and I don't recall a time when Defiance wasn't a game that demanded a fair bit of skill. It's not tab-to-target, for one thing.
I remember playing at launch. It didn't matter for the most what gear you had, what score you got, or what ego you where. Rewards were purely random and you could die as many times as you wanted. I just ran around shooting stuff and had fun. There was no pressure to level up ego (so I don't get threat scale nerfed), no pressure to not die so I can get better gear, no pressure to get better rarity gear. Further, use that better gear to get better scores and die less so you can get even better gear. And the cycle repeats....

aww yes. Not that any of that matters because Defiance is never going back to those times. That's why I'm asking what I am.

I might go back to FE. My main problem with that game was all the running around I had to do. Far too much time running around. I found as long as you always fight mobs well below your level FE didn't require much gamer skill. Exp and game progression was slower.

hmm.....The thing that most pops into my head now is Trove.

Chump Norris
04-14-2015, 06:16 PM
wtf Expeditions ... dumb.

Don't play them.

Problem solved?

Handle
04-14-2015, 08:56 PM
Borderlands, Fallout
(This game takes no skill btw)

Looks like you haven't tried expeditions Psycroww.

Cyripax NeoPrime
04-14-2015, 09:09 PM
Defiance was really the first 3psmmo on consoles.

The closest thing would be planetside 2 for pc or ps4(only in closed beta atm)

hardy83
04-14-2015, 09:36 PM
Defiance is probably the only proper shooter MMO.

There's other "shooter" games like Destiny (console only), Borderlands, Warframe and I'm sure others, but Defiance is the only one with a proper overworld.
The rest are all really instanced based.

I suppose there's All Points Bulletin or Global Agenda (which KIND of has an overworld) but they are very different games.

I guess the best bet would be Destiny, but while Defiance may have a questionable bit store, Destiny is on the far other end of the spectrum with it's main content being gutted for the sake of DLC and Season Passes.

Long story short, keep playing Defiance, just don't play the content you don't like. It's not like you really need cyber rigs. You could always just spend $5 and get one rig lockbox and just use whatever you get and be done with it.

Cyripax NeoPrime
04-14-2015, 10:16 PM
Defiance is probably the only proper shooter MMO.

There's other "shooter" games like Destiny (console only), Borderlands, Warframe and I'm sure others, but Defiance is the only one with a proper overworld.
The rest are all really instanced based.

I suppose there's All Points Bulletin or Global Agenda (which KIND of has an overworld) but they are very different games.

I guess the best bet would be Destiny, but while Defiance may have a questionable bit store, Destiny is on the far other end of the spectrum with it's main content being gutted for the sake of DLC and Season Passes.

Long story short, keep playing Defiance, just don't play the content you don't like. It's not like you really need cyber rigs. You could always just spend $5 and get one rig lockbox and just use whatever you get and be done with it.

Planetside 2 has been around since 2012. Its the closest thing I can think of. Its a shooter mmo

hardy83
04-14-2015, 10:37 PM
Isn't that just one big PvP map?
I mean there isn't quests or anything is there? Also isn't it first person?

I haven't played it. lol

Aemi
04-14-2015, 11:02 PM
Planetside 2 is heavy into PvP. Destiny doesn't appear to have a PC version and I only got a PC.

Firefall might be an option.

Maybe I should give shooters a rest for a bit and go play Guild Wars 2.

nathanpbutler
04-14-2015, 11:48 PM
I'm also among those who would recommend Destiny, if you ever pick up a console to play on instead of just PC. There's a PVP portion (the Crucible) that does help quite a bit in terms of earning XP and randomly getting gear, but you can play just PVE if you want. It is just a slower progression.

Tekrunner
04-15-2015, 01:14 AM
You won't find a lot of online shooters where you can just shoot randomly with any weapon and do well, it's just not a very realistic expectation to have. Firefall is the closest thing to Defiance on PC, but you should probably know that it's a harder game in general. You will die quickly there if you play with random gear and zero strategy, and there's no such thing as self-revives.

DEATHBRINGER210
04-15-2015, 02:14 AM
firefall is close

Vikingo
04-15-2015, 02:43 AM
Warframe, its a third person shooter where loot and gear determine your powerlevel more than skill much like Defiance, pvp is entirely optional. Its free to play so no harm in trying it, as a f2p player you will have inventory space troubles just like in Defiance but other than that everything is available to you.


Planetside 2 has been around since 2012. Its the closest thing I can think of. Its a shooter mmo
Planetside 2 is a pvp game with sidegrade weapons so it requires quite a bit more skill than Defiance.

Aemi
04-15-2015, 06:22 AM
Warframe, now that looks interesting. Downloading it now.

I didn't mention this but I don't have a problem with pay to play (10 to 15 usd/month). Frankly I like it better then F2P. Only F2P game I've seen that didn't give unfair advantages is Path of Exile (haven't played it in awhile). When you lack gamer skill the problems with F2P stand out clearly. Well, unless its like PoE where all you can buy is eye candy.


Just for the heck of it I did some math for expeditions and HR tokens since I mentioned pay two play.

5200 bit 50 usd
500 bit 20 hunter reqs
10% for patron pass
450 bit 20 hunter reqs
5200 / 450 = 11 ; 220 hunter reqs
4 months * 12.5$ is 50$
220 HR's / 4 month = 55 HR's per month.
13.75 HR's per week + 3 free about 16 per week.

Sure I've read here on the forms that some are getting far in expeditions, get purple rigs decked out with purple chips, after spending only a couple chips. But for me and based on my experience 16 per a week wouldn't be enough. I probably need that many each day.

Sevrin
04-15-2015, 06:29 AM
game
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noun
noun: game; plural noun: games --1.a form of play, especially a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck.

Defiance seems to fit the bill.

konstantinov
04-15-2015, 06:43 AM
Borderlands, Fallout
(This game takes no skill btw)

Does face rolling my controller count as skill? Hell I let potato play a round for me yesterday. She only went down once.

DEATHBRINGER210
04-15-2015, 06:50 AM
Does face rolling my controller count as skill? Hell I let potato play a round for me yesterday. She only went down once.

lets get potato an account

SUPREEM
04-15-2015, 07:16 AM
No, I will not use defiance forums to promote its competition. :D

SUPREEM
04-15-2015, 07:21 AM
Does face rolling my controller count as skill? Hell I let potato play a round for me yesterday. She only went down once.

Wait, you actually own that cat in the photo? And her name is potato? If so, that is phlucking cool :D #potatocat

Edit: for some reason I assume the cat is potato because of the pic lol

Bonehead
04-15-2015, 08:19 AM
wtf Expeditions ... dumb.

I don't like what I perceive to elitism catering. Those with awesome gaming skill and are in private circles of with other elite gamers are going to get really good loot from Expeditions.

Maybe I'm a bad guy (when it comes to games, a socialist) but I'd prefer to play a game that is more a slow grind and gamer skill irrelevant.

oh, PvP must be 100% optional and the content which is only available to PvP'er must be non-essential. To put it another way, a significant portion of game content is not denied if you won't PvP.

Thanks in advance for your recommendations :)

http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag464/lenzdude/giphy_zpsa697a31a.gif

Bonehead
04-15-2015, 08:22 AM
Don't play them.

Problem solved?

Check out the big brain on Bubs!

Bonehead
04-15-2015, 08:23 AM
lets get potato an account

Crowd fund it!

I'm in for 500!

Aemi
04-15-2015, 04:06 PM
Oh, look more Trolls!

If only the internet followed a well established rule of edicate.
"If you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all"

Believe it or not this is a good place to ask other players where I might find games that are like Defiance. To those who wish this thread wasn't here, well it will be gone soon enough.

konstantinov
04-15-2015, 04:14 PM
Oh, look more Trolls!

If only the internet followed a well established rule of edicate.
"If you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all"

Believe it or not this is a good place to ask other players where I might find games that are like Defiance. To those who wish this thread wasn't here, well it will be gone soon enough.

Actually, the internet is here so people may voice their unwanted opinions on things.

Aemi
04-15-2015, 04:19 PM
yes yes, Trolls, Continue your irrelevant argumentative posts.


if only....either contribute to what I ask or not post.

konstantinov
04-15-2015, 04:19 PM
yes yes, Trolls, Continue your irrelevant argumentative posts.


if only....either contribute to what I ask or not post.

Well, Defiance is not your party but you can still cry if you want to.

Aemi
04-15-2015, 04:27 PM
Trolls are so funny. They just keep posting their irrelevant and confrontationall blah blah.

Again, folks I'm looking for recommendations of games like Defiance because I don't like Alcatraz and am going to leave. Please give me suggestions :)

Oh, and Trolls, I'd ask you kindly to chose to not post at all if you can't contribute to discussion but I know you don't have the ability to do so. I'll just leave it at that I guess.

konstantinov
04-15-2015, 04:32 PM
Trolls are so funny. They just keep posting their irrelevant and confrontationall blah blah.

Again, folks I'm looking for recommendations of games like Defiance because I don't like Alcatraz and am going to leave. Please give me suggestions :)

Oh, and Trolls, I'd ask you kindly to chose to not post at all if you can't contribute to discussion but I know you don't have the ability to do so. I'll just leave it at that I guess.

Voicing my opinion isn't trolling with a thread like this. Posting this in general discussion instead of off topic is trolling.

Aemi
04-15-2015, 04:42 PM
Now the Trolls are trying reverse psychology. Here they claim their irrelevant and confrontational posts are just opinions. They then attempt to fuel the argue-machine by trying to point out that the accuser is actually the Troll.

I'm not trying to argue with people. I'm honestly and genualy just asking for suggestions on other games Defiance. I very truly do wish that this thread was nothing but that.

Mister Derpenhowser
04-15-2015, 04:46 PM
Calling everyone who makes a reply you don't like or understand a troll doesn't make them so. I think you need to take a step back and maybe read up the definition.

Ray8888
04-15-2015, 04:47 PM
You keep using that word. I do not think you know what it means.

INCONCEIVABLE!!!!!

Aemi
04-15-2015, 04:54 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Anyone who posts things that are irrelevant, confrontational and are far more geared to insult or start arguments then contribute to the discussion are Troll posts. This thread is full of people who are doing exactly this, "person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people".

I'm not complaining or crying that I my gamer skill suck. I know I do and I don't have a problem with that. All I'm doing is asking other players to suggestion some games that are like Defiance.

Mister Derpenhowser
04-15-2015, 05:03 PM
I don't see anyone causing trouble for the sake of it or trying to provoke you into an emotional response.

Ray8888
04-15-2015, 05:05 PM
Derp you can't argue with the dictionary. We're Trolls.

Ray8888
04-15-2015, 05:10 PM
I'm starting a Kickstarter for a new game called Aemi's Defiance.

Aemi
04-15-2015, 05:20 PM
There are many posts in this thread that have nothing to do with recommending other games like Defiance. Many if not all of these posts are confrontational or even insultive. Since they have nothing to do with the discussion it should be obvious that they are irrelevant.

Maybe Defiance forums are a bit more negative and confrontational that what i"m used to. Like I said, posts that give examples of game like Defiance and how they compare is all that should be here.


OP-"Guys Defiance is just to hard for me, I don't want to play anymore. Guys I don't expect Deviance to change. I accept it is what it is. But could you please suggest some alternatives."

troll-"Too hard? Faceroll your keyboard/controler and you win. Heck my potato chip played for me last night and won...lol"
There are others too but I gotta go do other things...

konstantinov
04-15-2015, 05:41 PM
There are many posts in this thread that have nothing to do with recommending other games like Defiance. Many if not all of these posts are confrontational or even insultive. Since they have nothing to do with the discussion it should be obvious that they are irrelevant.

Maybe Defiance forums are a bit more negative and confrontational that what i"m used to. Like I said, posts that give examples of game like Defiance and how they compare is all that should be here.


OP-"Guys Defiance is just to hard for me, I don't want to play anymore. Guys I don't expect Deviance to change. I accept it is what it is. But could you please suggest some alternatives."

troll-"Too hard? Faceroll your keyboard/controler and you win. Heck my potato chip played for me last night and won...lol"
There are others too but I gotta go do other things...

General Discussion is intended to be used for general discussion of Defiance not for crowd sourcing other games.

Kobalobasileus
04-15-2015, 06:18 PM
If you're concerned that your skills aren't up to par, you should be playing RPGs instead of shooters. Of course, I think I suck at action games too, but I still find Defiance really accommodating outside of TL10. Despite TL10 being OP, I can still place top 5 in most open world events at EGO54xx with weapons I obtained myself without buying them from farmers.

I haven't tried an expedition yet, but I doubt they'll be much fun with my team. But Defiance is an MMO. What MMO would be complete without unbalanced endgame content to give the elitists stiff e-peens? It just comes with the subgenre.

As for games like Defiance:

Borderlands series
Mass Effect series
RAGE
Destiny
Firefall
Warframe

konstantinov
04-15-2015, 06:20 PM
Going to Google and typing in 3rd person shooter in then hitting enter is too difficult.

#mindblown

r1p
04-15-2015, 06:30 PM
Going to Google and typing in 3rd person shooter in then hitting enter is too difficult.

#mindblown

Isn't this the reason why lmgtfy.com was created in the first place?

RonDiaz
04-15-2015, 07:32 PM
Borderlands, Fallout
(This game takes no skill btw)

Yeah , this is the most accessible game I have come across, great for a casual like me.

tarmim
04-16-2015, 01:13 AM
Don't play them.

Problem solved?

No, because you need to do them for daily & weekly contracts

SUPREEM
04-16-2015, 03:57 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Anyone who posts things that are irrelevant, confrontational and are far more geared to insult or start arguments then contribute to the discussion are Troll posts. This thread is full of people who are doing exactly this, "person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people".

I'm not complaining or crying that I my gamer skill suck. I know I do and I don't have a problem with that. All I'm doing is asking other players to suggestion some games that are like Defiance.

Kind of trolled yourself by starting this thread. Did you really expect DEFIANCE GAMERS to give you ideas on DEFIANCE FORUMS of games to play other than DEFIANCE? Also, fyi, making post about "leaving the game" can get you banned, I've read.

crasher
04-16-2015, 10:44 PM
Another game like DEFI?

Try ESO.
Lotsa broken crap.
Lotsa missed deadlines.
Lotsa 'Soon'... Lots more than you guys would imagine.
Lotsa 'No end-game'.
Tonnes of lotsa weapons nerfing..... seriously, we think that the emotes are going to be among our most powerful weapons against bosses, soon.

The venom on those forums is more poisonous there than it usually was here, and that's saying a lot.
And that game went from subscription to F2P muchmuchmuch faster than this one went F2P from B2P.

And the ESO dev's dint do crap to show that they even recognized the first anniversary of the game at the beginning of this very April we're in now.
Many of us at ESO think that we're still betatesting that game on PC for the console release.

And ESO apparently has no planned new content until some time in spring/summer 2016, if you don't consider consoles as 'new content'.

There wasn't a day in ESO I din't pine for a syphon CS-X and a half crate of 'nades.

Rattler20200
04-17-2015, 12:09 AM
ESO is THAT bad off? Dang...
And I thought the hate got bad on the STO forums...

Should have seen the rage when Star Trek Online released its second expansion: Delta Rising. Holy Shtako it was bad! Rage over this. Rage over that. Rage over "They only care about their metrics so they are nerfing everything that isn't Delta Rising content". Rage over "PvP is dead!" It got pretty bad. Luckilly things have calmed down significantly now that things are balancing out again.

BTW... PvP died long ago on STO. Yet they keep beating that dead horse into mashed potatoes expecting the next season update to "Be the savior of PvP".

Anyways... on topic... I can't really think of any games like Defiance... at least not any MMOs. Just Cause 2 is pretty fun though.