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MAJ_P4IN
05-17-2015, 03:11 PM
I don't know about other players but i always get the elite or better known as t4. in two years of burning scrip and keys 64 at a time i have never pulled a jackpot of any type. My grand total of legendary weapons mostly garbage run of the mill is 12.

Every Box i have bought consists of 3 trash blue weapons and a run of the mill Purple that i can pluck up off the ground from an ark fall, incursion,emergency ect. Even now from an expedition.Dont get me started on them that is for another discussion.

As and experiment i bought $100 dollars in bits spent $75 on t4 boxes got 1 oj weapon all the rest were vender trash. the remaining $25 i bought a patron pass and ark forge.. Its really hard to tally the amount of cash i personally have spent on this game. pre purchasing the game and season pass. Buying ark forge,bits vbi pack,apex pack (rip off, 1 oj det and purples you cant oj get real i feel like i got anally ***** on that one).

I have never posted on the forums before other than to give game advice and this is my first rant or complaint.. I have never felt the need to until now. Only because i am thoroughly tired of spending my hard earned money and getting crap. I will admit i am a pay player i will spend money for a decent shot at something. But a 100% pay in with no reward is absolutely stupid. Casinos have a better return than that. Please fix the t4 boxes or at least give the bit store boxes a better chance to pull a jackpot. To spend 75 dollars and get two ojs is not a good return and will really piss people off.

Now for the expeditions what a crock of crap and false advertisement. The higher you go the better the loot BUll CRAP. I'm calling you out on that. I have been in expeditions that have gone to tier 30 and 14 plus rounds and no one in the party received anything better than purple weapons and mods and occasional purple cyber rig (97% are blue or lower). if a person is doing tier 30 expeditions the loot the received should be better than blues and the occasional purple. If you go above that the drops go back to being greens and blues. There is little incentive for me personally to do an expedition when all i am going to get are lower versions of weapons i already have. The whole point in doing the extended runs doing 10 plus rounds is to get good rewards Legendary weapons, cyber rigs and chips.

Every weapon i have picked up has been sold back to the vender. the occasional hard to get t4 mod i keep other wise its sold to a vendor.. For all of the extended expeditions above tier 21 going 10 or more rounds i have ran. I have received 1 oj chip, 0 oj weapons and 0 oj Cyber rigs. I'm sorry but the proof is in the puddin Trion statistically its crap you are shoveling down our throats and calling it puddin.

I have played the game daily since launch, 4k in hours logged, and a deep hole in my pocket from the cash i have spent only to receive trash. (50 dollars in requisites so far close to a grand on ark forge 99 dollars on the pre release game and season pass. Another 200 on the vbi pack and apex pack. not to mention the hundreds on lock boxes. Plus being on team Trion for the EXL events and begging my friends and family to make donations to team Trion.) I'm sure that isn't all of it either. Reward Your players or at least fix the lottery box system more to the players favor. Thus ends my rant.

I really don't want to hear the negative comments from the peanut gallery. This is directed to the devs. I already know I'm not the only one that feels this way almost all my in game friends and clan mates feel that the system is broken. they complain about it daily in raid call and mumble. If you feel the same way as i do post it here let them know its starting to become a rip off and needs to be fixed. If not dont say anything its not your opinion i want to hear its the devs and how trion plans to fix it before the player base starts to disappear.

EvilAg3nt
05-17-2015, 05:00 PM
i agree with you But,you may be waiting for a Long time....for an answer from them.
good luck!

dremora ven0m
05-17-2015, 05:17 PM
I vendor all weapons out of t4 bocks only keep the occasional ark shield, those that i have kept i have sold on as not good enough for me.

Alcatraz hmmmmmm
*critting out fighting bosses
*resetting progress
*asking for another hunter req to continue after beating a boss
*rewards for doing 18 rounds pfft what rewards, vendor got it all
*phasing out of enemies
*putting me in a new group with randoms upon starting the next round when i was already in a clan group
*skittlings going behind doors & escaping
*getting stuck in loading screen
*30mins timer! really come on we cant all sit playing for 20 hours a day

They just a few gripes I have!

p.s. btw from alcatraz i have dropped 1 oj chip (in the 1st week) 0 oj rigs, 2 oj shields (given away free) 5 oj weapons (vendored/given away free to lower ego players) these were all gotten from below tier 33, upon beating tier 38 cant recall except for vendor got it. Also as it was gone 3am (GMT) Didnt bother with tier 39 as server would reset progress in an hour & between the 2 of us left didnt wanna waste our time any more.

Dragon06
05-17-2015, 05:27 PM
I try to play daily and when I do, I typically buy a elite box with resources or bits. In all my time I have never received a jackpot. Now I have received a legendary weapon, maybe 5 or 6 times out of several hundred boxes. During events I have never seen a named weapon drop. I have gotten them from the box after doing the weekly and more time than I like I get same weapon during an event. I see people bragging about the number of jackpots and named weapons they have received, but these maybe false bragging. I do think the RNG system is a failure and encourages those that have invested time and more importantly money to reconsider what they are doing. I believe the more you play, the more you invest, the greater the reward to encourage those to spend time and money. I fully understand the economics involved, people will say that you are greedy or it is a pay to win. But you are a commercial company that must pay the bills and the employees. I don't mind investing money on entertainment. But when the game is frustrating and perceived to unfair, then people will move on. I believe that an overhaul of the RNG system is needed.

Smokey Black
05-17-2015, 05:56 PM
I only do expert lock boxes. Pulled a lot of Oj nades(close to a full set) some good oj weapons. And I've seen Ark shields pulled from them.

Tyrious
05-17-2015, 06:13 PM
well there were things I had wanted to say in this post but many of those things have been covered I played PTS and I have noticed that the cyber rig supply crates have a different odds of getting a oj Cyber rig so you decided that we didn't really need what was said we would get better rewards for doing higher tiers (LOL you have to be kidding me) and for doing more rounds ( LOL really ??? this is what you call rewarding us?) and then there is the cost of HR's especially for the rewards your giving out WAY to expensive if we got 100 HR's for $5.00 it might be acceptable to get these rewards and I mean is it really going to cost you guys to treat us your supporters fairly we all know this is nothing but a money grab and for what all of the content you gave us for season 3 1 minor mission and expedition's with the cyber rigs wow so what did that take you to complete that 2 weeks it seems likely as expedition's is a fail and we have not gotten much for the cyber rigs so 3 fail's thxs

as for the T4 lock boxes again LOL worthless I have never received a jackpot item and only 1 or 2 oj items now I have not played since the beginning but this is still frustrating and allegedly you can get a charge blade from it too but I think I have seen maybe 1 charge blade on other people and when I ask people about them they laugh at me so you whole claim is false you have said you were going to do things like look into the corporation suppliers and update them but still same old junk thorn liro and paradise m at 1,000 rep and have no intention of getting anything from them I have bought mod box's from the ones that offer them and gun slinger crates too but that's about it so lets see no good new content and the same old garbage yes that should encourage us to spend more cash

oh yes how could I forget the new Ark hunter bundles really can you say over priced garbage yes there are a few things in them I would love to have but only a few and the adapt weapons are worthless you cant upgrade them you cant trade them and we won't really want them so you added nothing to the crates by putting them in there

well I guess I did find somethings to say LOL

Niner82
05-17-2015, 06:15 PM
Don't waste your time, they will not listen to us about RNG. This game is a Cash Cow now, RNG is intentional. Got to make our wallets skinnier, and theirs fatter. I'd be better off playing slot machines in Vegas, at least that would be more fun anymore.

Karriq
05-17-2015, 06:40 PM
Im fine with boxes and stuff. Rare things must be rare and im okay with that. But about expeditions => too time consuming. Cause player needs to go to next expedition in half hour or his mark screwd. I never seen a 6 round. And its not cause im died in 5. Its cause im and other people have another things to do. We need to eat, sleep, work, cook, spend time with family and friends. I know there is some hardcore gamers, who can sit and play a 10-15 hours in a row. But i think most of people is not so hardcore :) Plus players sometimes get disconnect, crash or whatever. And they cant return to expedtion after that. Also...this hunter requistion mark is not making any sense. Well i get 1 each day + 3 per week so i can go to expedition each day i want. But.. why archunter need a some "requistion mark" what is it? Archunter have a scrip! what else needed to hire this ship? :)

Johnny Gatt
05-17-2015, 06:55 PM
Don't waste your time, they will not listen to us about RNG. This game is a Cash Cow now, RNG is intentional. Got to make our wallets skinnier, and theirs fatter. I'd be better off playing slot machines in Vegas, at least that would be more fun anymore.

Would you go to a casino and play on a slot machine that you knew was rigged?? That is Trion's RNG for you.

GahdolfMiLahwn
05-17-2015, 06:55 PM
I use the buy for resources RNGs to calibrate my expectations for the buy for bits boxes.

So I have pulled ~20 or so T3 boxes, which "may contain" a charge blade. No charge blades, so i am figure that anything that says "May contain" has less than a 5% chance of coming true.

Similarly they contain an epic "or legendary" Two legiendaries in the same 20 boxes, so "Or Legendary" is ~10%.

Those descriptions might not be exact - my glyph launcher is perma-hanging right now. Can;t get into the game to check.


Reduce that by the 2 in five chance of getting a weapon type that can use without feeling stupid, and the only reason I open boxes is the key cap.

Johnny Gatt
05-17-2015, 07:22 PM
Getting an oj every 10 boxes is pretty lucky. Many vets have had RNG turned off so no oj items drop. I used to spend several hundred dollars a month on this game back when RNG worked, until I stopped getting anything. I was hopeful with weekly event boxes but got six untradeable carving knives for six toons in one day .that's when I realized rewards were not random, but set to accounts.

Niner82
05-17-2015, 07:47 PM
Would you go to a casino and play on a slot machine that you knew was rigged?? That is Trion's RNG for you.
That's my point, playing slot machines in Vegas, I would have a much better chance of breaking even, unlike opening Elite Lockboxes. I have pulled 1 Jackpot, and maybe 10 good OJ weapons. The rest ate the same old weapons over and over. Anymore I pull boxes just for the occasional Forge, not getting hopes up for Jackpots anymore. Spent a lot of money when I first started this game, not anymore. What is worth real money anymore? Nothing in this game anymore.

JOCCO5150
05-17-2015, 08:07 PM
Would you go to a casino and play on a slot machine that you knew was rigged?? That is Trion's RNG for you.

There is no such thing as true random number generation

Ray8888
05-17-2015, 08:38 PM
Many vets have had RNG turned off so no oj items drop.

That is a flat out lie.

KILLSHOT707
05-17-2015, 08:50 PM
I have no idea what is your bad luck. I have pulled 2 oj chips today and a nice Mazu form a t4 box....TODAY. I have been doing the duel bugs in the expeditions and have pulled 80 t4 mods in the last 2 days. Most people I know that work at it have the same or better luck. The game must hate you.

Niner82
05-17-2015, 09:58 PM
I have no idea what is your bad luck. I have pulled 2 oj chips today and a nice Mazu form a t4 box....TODAY. I have been doing the duel bugs in the expeditions and have pulled 80 t4 mods in the last 2 days. Most people I know that work at it have the same or better luck. The game must hate you.
Want a cookie? I pull the same blues and purples everytime. Then when I get the occasional OJ, it's a rocket launcher almost everytime. As far as expeditions, good for you, if I could give you my HR'S I would. Not wasting my time with those.

MAJ_P4IN
05-17-2015, 09:58 PM
I have no idea what is your bad luck. I have pulled 2 oj chips today and a nice Mazu form a t4 box....TODAY. I have been doing the duel bugs in the expeditions and have pulled 80 t4 mods in the last 2 days. Most people I know that work at it have the same or better luck. The game must hate you.

I am happy for you. You are one of of the few that seem to benefit from a messed up system. when i started playing the game i would get ojs all the time. Granted they were not that great and the game was in it infancy . then again you could also take a good weapon from white to oj if you were willing to spend the forge on it.That all came to an end when it went to supposed free to play,and has slowly turned into a cash grab system. The majority of the original pay to play players receive little or no benefits anymore and we were the ones that supported the game for the first year. Some through the beta and alpha testing. those individuals have long since left the game because of issues such as this. Like i said i am not the only one there are the few new players that will hit the jack pots but that will taper over time to get you to spend money.

As for your expedition runs they are set to your ego level (correction the leader of the groups ego level). If you are below a 5.5k then you will not realize just how difficult an tier 30 round 12 really is Unless you happen to go in with clan mates that are 5.5to 6k then you will be spending those precious requisites hand over fist. Also Trions own words on promoting these expeditions were the more tiers and rounds you do the better the loot.

Which i guess their opinion of good loot is blue weapons occasional purple weapons,mods ,chips and rigs. For every purple i pulled tonight i had 40 blues got 1 oj frc non nano survivalist syn saw which is really not great gun. the group i was in ran 4 extended runs starting at tier 22 running to tier 31 then resetting it back to tier 22 because after tier 30 its green and blue rewards. by the time we were done we all had completed 25 rounds. we all received 1 oj item over the course.

Now for the apex ark hunter pack: WOW they out did them selves the detonator is good, the raptor marginally better none of the epic weapons are worth the pixels to display them, Everyone is encrypted non synergy, non nano, non trade able non vender sell able. so you cant get scrip for them, cant make them orange and get the benefit of the oj roll. They are a wast of your inventory space to store weapons you will never use. The suit is cool the title as well 2 k in ark forge to oj the weapons worth turning oj. so for 100 dollars you get a mediocre vehicle and useless weapons and a patron pass and about40 dollars in ark forge.

Buy the orange challenger pick up all your purple weapons spend 40 on ark forge and you will come out ahead.

I honestly Think i will take the money i have been spending head to the casino and play some black jack and slots. My odds on a return on my money is better.

Niner82
05-17-2015, 10:20 PM
I am happy for you. You are one of of the few that seem to benefit from a messed up system. when i started playing the game i would get ojs all the time. Granted they were not that great and the game was in it infancy . then again you could also take a good weapon from white to oj if you were willing to spend the forge on it.That all came to an end when it went to supposed free to play,and has slowly turned into a cash grab system. The majority of the original pay to play players receive little or no benefits anymore and we were the ones that supported the game for the first year. Some through the beta and alpha testing. those individuals have long since left the game because of issues such as this. Like i said i am not the only one there are the few new players that will hit the jack pots but that will taper over time to get you to spend money.

As for your expedition runs they are set to your ego level (correction the leader of the groups ego level). If you are below a 5.5k then you will not realize just how difficult an tier 30 round 12 really is Unless you happen to go in with clan mates that are 5.5to 6k then you will be spending those precious requisites hand over fist. Also Trions own words on promoting these expeditions were the more tiers and rounds you do the better the loot.

Which i guess their opinion of good loot is blue weapons occasional purple weapons,mods ,chips and rigs. For every purple i pulled tonight i had 40 blues got 1 oj frc non nano survivalist syn saw which is really not great gun. the group i was in ran 4 extended runs starting at tier 22 running to tier 31 then resetting it back to tier 22 because after tier 30 its green and blue rewards. by the time we were done we all had completed 25 rounds. we all received 1 oj item over the course.

Now for the apex ark hunter pack: WOW they out did them selves the detonator is good, the raptor marginally better none of the epic weapons are worth the pixels to display them, Everyone is encrypted non synergy, non nano, non trade able non vender sell able. so you cant get scrip for them, cant make them orange and get the benefit of the oj roll. They are a wast of your inventory space to store weapons you will never use. The suit is cool the title as well 2 k in ark forge to oj the weapons worth turning oj. so for 100 dollars you get a mediocre vehicle and useless weapons and a patron pass and about40 dollars in ark forge.

Buy the orange challenger pick up all your purple weapons spend 40 on ark forge and you will come out ahead.

I honestly Think i will take the money i have been spending head to the casino and play some black jack and slots. My odds on a return on my money is better.
See you in Vegas, lol. We seriously would have more fun anymore.

CowdBlud
05-18-2015, 12:16 AM
again... uhhhh.... :(

so you are complaining about not getting more 'frequent' 'rare' oj drops from elite boxes?
the drop rate of ojs from elite boxes is rare!
im not sure where your confusion or issue is?
its not like playing slot machines, its more like the lottery... your odds of getting a decent drop are low.
do you enter the lottery each week and complain when you loose?

lets say you have 1 in 100 chance, these odds are applied each and every time you open a box, so opening 100 boxes wont guarantee you get anything. thats probability.
the reality is, if you are unlucky, you may never get a good drop.

would you prefer it if we all got a weekly named weapon so they were as common as @@@@ and meant nothing?

play the game, enjoy it, save your money.

JOCCO5150
05-18-2015, 12:22 AM
Myself, I wish ojs were a little more rare than they are, then they would be more special.

CowdBlud
05-18-2015, 12:26 AM
i guess thats where named/jackpot weapons come in...
most oj drops are far from great anyway... so a really good oj drop is rare... then you need to get a good mastery....

kcl
05-18-2015, 01:54 AM
You spent hundreds of dollars on nothing to get nothing. You honestly thought the outcome would be different?
You spent dozens of hours in expeditions for nothing. From the tone of your message you clearly feel cheated (can't blame you). Now what puzzles me is why you kept doing it?
1. Do the account - gains/loss
2. Find out you are drowning your money into a rotten corpse.
3. Stop doing it.
4. ???
5. PROFIT!

Vote with your wallet. It's the only rhetoric that Trion seem to comprehend anyway.
Stay safe :)

Niner82
05-18-2015, 08:36 AM
again... uhhhh.... :(

so you are complaining about not getting more 'frequent' 'rare' oj drops from elite boxes?
the drop rate of ojs from elite boxes is rare!
im not sure where your confusion or issue is?
its not like playing slot machines, its more like the lottery... your odds of getting a decent drop are low.
do you enter the lottery each week and complain when you loose?

lets say you have 1 in 100 chance, these odds are applied each and every time you open a box, so opening 100 boxes wont guarantee you get anything. thats probability.
the reality is, if you are unlucky, you may never get a good drop.

would you prefer it if we all got a weekly named weapon so they were as common as @@@@ and meant nothing?

play the game, enjoy it, save your money.
The drop rate used to be better, it isn't the same anymore. Not asking to be handed an OJ everytime I open a box. Throw us a bone every now and then so we can be somewhat satisfied. Like I said I open them for the occasional 20 forge. We are wasting our time with these kinda threads anyways. Might as well plan on it being what it is from now on, a money grab.

SUPREEM
05-18-2015, 09:50 AM
It wouldn't bother me if everyone had everything. Just ,means no one has to search for anything. Nice dream.

MAJ_P4IN
05-18-2015, 01:02 PM
It wouldn't bother me if everyone had everything. Just ,means no one has to search for anything. Nice dream.

I started this because it's just a peeve of mine. I thoroughly enjoy the game. But I personally would like to be tossed a bone every now and them.

Now that there is a discussion. It's not just about the t 4 box. It's about Trion changing the odds. I have noticed patterns. There are individuals that hit the jackpots all the time. Some more than once. Which begs the question is Trion favoring some accounts over others.

I did the math from the time I started playing and (that was launch day) I have bought 1400 plus t4 boxes 380+ with resources the rest with cash( bits.) That is approx 24000+ keys and approx 1,500,000+in scrip. That doesn't include cash spent on the bit store boxes I have purchased.

Now weapon wise that is over 4500+blue and purple items give or take a few. I received less than 20 ojs and not a single jackpot. Those figures are based on the fact I buy 3 to 4 boxes a week with keys and scrip depending on the hours I play.

Yes the odds were better before the change over from pay to play (where you actually purchased the base game) to free to play. It really doesn't cost Trion anything to change the random generation statistics to be a little more favorable for the player.

Apex ark hunter bundle what a waste. Could have been a really good offering. To give a person that purchases it for $100.00 U.S 10 epics that are non synergy non nano and can not be upgraded to legendary for the legendary roll. Equals massive fail on both parties Trion and the individual that buys it. I personally don't care that they are non tradable and can't be sold to a vender. That keeps them from the individuals that didn't purchase the pack. But to make them encrypted at epic come on let us spend the ark to turn them oj if we want. I mean we spent the money to get them we will spend the money to get the ark.

Ray8888
05-18-2015, 01:50 PM
Myself, I wish ojs were a little more rare than they are, then they would be more special.

I agree!

/10char

EvilAg3nt
05-18-2015, 01:53 PM
elite jackpots...even.
i got 2 blues and a purple shield,a pos crap shield for my Prize today...hows that work?
wheres my epic GUN?
more amusing?
first dropped shield in alcatraz was better.

clay marrow
05-18-2015, 02:25 PM
"Now for the expeditions what a crock of crap and false advertisement. The higher you go the better the loot BUll CRAP. I'm calling you out on that. I have been in expeditions that have gone to tier 30 and 14 plus rounds and no one in the party received anything better than purple weapons and mods and occasional purple cyber rig (97% are blue or lower). if a person is doing tier 30 expeditions the loot the received should be better than blues and the occasional purple. If you go above that the drops go back to being greens and blues. There is little incentive for me personally to do an expedition when all i am going to get are lower versions of weapons i already have. The whole point in doing the extended runs doing 10 plus rounds is to get good rewards Legendary weapons, cyber rigs and chips." I completely agree with you!!!! Come on Trion make this right!!!

clay marrow
05-18-2015, 02:40 PM
Want a cookie? I pull the same blues and purples everytime. Then when I get the occasional OJ, it's a rocket launcher almost everytime. As far as expeditions, good for you, if I could give you my HR'S I would. Not wasting my time with those.

I get sniper rifles...

Praxus07
05-18-2015, 02:47 PM
Want a cookie? I pull the same blues and purples everytime. Then when I get the occasional OJ, it's a rocket launcher almost everytime. As far as expeditions, good for you, if I could give you my HR'S I would. Not wasting my time with those.
I feel for you. My elite box rewards are the same as you. I pulled my back out so sitting and playing is painful, but I managed to get three boxes since thursday, every item went right to the vendor. Only oj's I seem to pull are rocket launchers too. Expeditions, only did a couple over the weekend, got all blue drops with the exception of one purple rig. Seemed like a big time sink for little reward.

clay marrow
05-18-2015, 02:47 PM
[QUOTE=SUPREEM;1766055]If I didn't know any better I'd swear this game was created by some kid in his/her parents basement lol then it got bought out by a group of hobbyist turned pro developers (mayweather jab) and presented to the public as something worth spending hundreds or thousands on lol. Well at least ign tried taking this game seriously once upon a time but considering how devs only do softball interviews that avoid asking the tough questions like "why are so many issues from launch still lingering 2 whole freaking years later?" Its no surprise top publications don't waste their time with this (golovkin hook).

you sir are a master pugilist...

Niner82
05-18-2015, 03:09 PM
I get sniper rifles...
I hate those little buggers too, lol.

MAJ_P4IN
05-18-2015, 03:46 PM
Keep in mind i am on the PC platform which the game was originally a PC exclusive release. Consoles didn't get a version of this game for 9 months after its original release on PC. IT then went free to play.

Since the free to play its became more of a money grab...it would just be nice if they would reward those that they are grabbing the money from on occasion.......lmao that wont happen.....personally i don't care if i ever get a jackpot but it would be nice to see it in my inventory as a reminder that maybe the lottery boxes aren't fubar. We know the expeditions are Fubar and the reward system is seriously flawed. Why else would they do a 2x golden ****terling weekend. To make it seem like you are getting good stuff..(sorry couldn't type that with out laughing)

Now im going to Vegas to drop 1.5 k on Red See Ya ( 50/50 odds)

Ray8888
05-18-2015, 03:55 PM
Red isn't 50/50. You forgot the two greens.
House always wins.

MAJ_P4IN
05-18-2015, 04:19 PM
lol yep i did touche

Niner82
05-18-2015, 04:23 PM
Keep in mind i am on the PC platform which the game was originally a PC exclusive release. Consoles didn't get a version of this game for 9 months after its original release on PC. IT then went free to play.

Since the free to play its became more of a money grab...it would just be nice if they would reward those that they are grabbing the money from on occasion.......lmao that wont happen.....personally i don't care if i ever get a jackpot but it would be nice to see it in my inventory as a reminder that maybe the lottery boxes aren't fubar. We know the expeditions are Fubar and the reward system is seriously flawed. Why else would they do a 2x golden ****terling weekend. To make it seem like you are getting good stuff..(sorry couldn't type that with out laughing)

Now im going to Vegas to drop 1.5 k on Red See Ya ( 50/50 odds)
See you at the Blackjack Tables, maybe.

kcl
05-18-2015, 10:37 PM
I started this because it's just a peeve of mine. I thouroghly enjoy the game. But I personally would like to be tossed a bone evey now and them.

Now that there is a discussion. It's not just about the t 4 box. It's about Trion changing the odds. I have noticed patterns. There are individuals that hit the jackpots all the time. Some more than once. Which begs the question is Trion favoring some accounts over others.

I did the math from the time I started playing and (that was launch day) I have bought 1400 plus t4 boxes with resources. That is over 68000+ keys and 3000000+in scrip. That doesn't include the bit store boxes I have purchased.

Now weapon wise that is over 4500+blue and purple items give or take a few. I received less than 20 ojs and not a single jackpot. Those figures are based on the fact I buy 3 to 4 boxes a week with keys and scrip depending on the hours I play.

Yes the odds were better before the change over from pay to play (where you actually purchased the base game) to free to play. It really doesn't cost Trion anything to change the random generation statistics to be a little more favorable for the player.

Apex ark hunter bundle what a waste. Could have been a really good offering. To give a person that purchases it for $100.00 U.S 10 epics that are non synergy non nano and can not be upgraded to legendary for the legendary roll. Equals massive fail on both parties Trion and the individual that buys it. I personally don't care that they are non tradable and can't be sold to a vender. That keeps them from the individuals that didn't purchase the pack. But to make them incrypted at epic come on let us spend the ark to turn them oj if we want. I mean we spent the money to get them we will spend the money to get the ark.

1400:4*7:365 = 6,7 years! You must have started almost 5 years before launch then!

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brokenshield
05-19-2015, 03:06 AM
Withdrawn.

kcl
05-19-2015, 03:45 AM
Noone said anything about hours.
1400 boxes with 4 boxes/week gives you 350 weeks. I think you can go from here...

Gaige12
05-19-2015, 04:19 AM
http://i.imgur.com/agJIP.gif

MAJ_P4IN
05-19-2015, 04:28 PM
Noone said anything about hours.
1400 boxes with 4 boxes/week gives you 350 weeks. I think you can go from here...

4 boxes a week x 4 weeks a month x 12 months in a year x 2years do the math its actually 384 boxes
4x4=16x12=192x2=384
hours logged by steams clock on defiance 4502hrs over 2 plus years playing the game.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/Maj_Pain/

MAJ_P4IN
05-19-2015, 04:54 PM
1400:4*7:365 = 6,7 years! You must have started almost 5 years before launch then!

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/image/stop%20posting/grand/its_time_to_stop_posting.jpg

1400:4*7:365 is wrong try this good old fashion math 4 boxes a week x(times or multiply by) 4 weeks in a month X 12 months in a year x 2 years = total Not that hard to figure out 16x12=192x2=384 now lets correct your equation 1400:4*4:720=1.94444444444444 years 2 errors i see multiplying by days in a week and dividing by 1 year not 2

Gaige12
05-19-2015, 04:59 PM
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mr8liner
05-19-2015, 06:14 PM
1400:4*7:365 = 6,7 years! You must have started almost 5 years before launch then!

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/image/stop%20posting/grand/its_time_to_stop_posting.jpg

1400/24=58.33333333333 days. Where did you learn math??? 6-7 lmao.

Ray8888
05-19-2015, 06:17 PM
I dont understand anything going on in the last dozen posts.

Devostation
05-19-2015, 06:19 PM
*Math police here*
416 boxes in 2 years is a little more accurate...(Assuming 4 boxes per week, 52 weeks in a year, 2 years).

Devostation
05-19-2015, 06:20 PM
I dont understand anything going on in the last dozen posts.

Bad math...

DeMoNofDEATH
05-19-2015, 06:34 PM
I only do expert lock boxes. Pulled a lot of Oj nades(close to a full set) some good oj weapons. And I've seen Ark shields pulled from them.

I've never pulled an ark shield in over two years... just one GA, one Cataclysm, many random oj's, 3 oj pyro nades which went to refill my nades cause i forgot to fill em before i tried box....(dumdum)

MAJ_P4IN
05-19-2015, 07:25 PM
*Math police here*
416 boxes in 2 years is a little more accurate...(Assuming 4 boxes per week, 52 weeks in a year, 2 years).

Yes Devastation old friend thank you for pointing out my math error and typo i made in an earlier post.(i have since corrected it and apologize for the inaccuracy.) That is one reason i shouldn't drink. i factored in the following that there are 4 months with 5 weeks so i left those 16 boxes out to compensate for the weeks i only bought 3.

i also reviewed my account on the cash purchases that was an hour of deep soul searching and realizing i need to find something better to wast my money on..(like copious amounts of *** so i can watch the hell bugs crawl up the walls of my house lol)

now the depressing soul sucking reality that i have no life is the following: total T4 boxes and others bought with cash...... wait for it.......745 t4........256 cornucopia......225 hellfire.......142 solstice...... 6 epic mod hoards......and its final i have no life.....lol. so my number of 1400 t4 was real close but not accurate its closer to 1200 estimated. but a staggering amount of money i have spent on a game. That truthfully could have thrown one hell of a party.

MAJ_P4IN
05-19-2015, 07:40 PM
Now that we all discovered that math isn't our strongest skill set lets get back on subject. The Rng system is to put it nicely messed up on the lotto boxes and expeditions. I also discovered my obsession with this game goes way beyond being healthy and i should really seek out a shrink.. That being said i'm just tired of getting the same 4 blue and purple weapons from the lock box. mix it up and toss in a few more ojs and increase by a nominal amount the number of jackpots given out.

now back to my obsession there is only so much soul searching i can handle. The shrink can wait till tomorrow

kcl
05-19-2015, 10:48 PM
Woah. There you go, sometimes it's really good to go back and do the counting to realize what kind of effort/reward ratio the game gives you. I know.. I was in that spiral of buying bits and spending them on boxes for absolutely crap for few months but I wasn't even close to this scale. Now you probably have hundreds other things in mind that you could have bought with that cash.
First step of therapy is admitting! :)
Stay safe!




1400/24=58.33333333333 days. Where did you learn math??? 6-7 lmao.

Eh... :(
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_CaNkER_
05-20-2015, 03:18 AM
After 6 months of playing I was starting to wonder why I've never scored a jackpot item out of lock boxes. Usually I earn enough key codes to open an elite lock box once every day and a half, and even then, I've received sweet F. All in regards to legendary items (apart from standard vendor shields and sniper rifles of which I have no need or use for).

I've stopped becoming interested or excited about 'new' jackpot items because every source I've read regarding loot drops in this game make it clear that Trion has a 'F*ck you" attitude to its players that ignores any form of equality.

When I read that someone who's been playing for 2 years still hasn't scored a jackpot item I despair. But when other players talk about how they've scored a gazillion versions of every item, it sh!t's me to tears. It appears that the majority of players regardless of whether they pay or play for key codes, get anally shafted, whereas a chosen few get handed way more than their fair share.

As for Alcatraz, my initial enthusiasm dulled quickly after playing that broken mess. If Trion thinks I'll spend money to access that garbage then they're sadly mistaken. I don't even bother playing with the free HR tokens they give once a week and I certainly won't spend real money on something I don't use for free.

Defiance isn't a bad game (at least when compared to say Destiny) but unresolved issues regarding rewards and connectivity, honestly make me completely uninterested in seeing it transition to next gen consoles. As a PC and Playstation gamer, I haven't seen the point in downloading to my PC and I wouldn't put it on a PS4 if it were available.

Trion appears to have spent more time and effort putting adverts for their shop into the game, than they have in fixing the issues that are loseing them customers. So Developers, here's marketing 101 for you:

"People will spend money on things they deem worthwhile and/or of value. The things they don't, they wouldn't p!ss on if it were on fire"

So, for the semi-ret4rded staff at Trion who after 2 years or more, have consistently failed to address such simple issues, take note. The relatively small number of lucky few, are not going to be sufficient in maintaining a financial income and the disillusioned masses will avoid future products.

As for new players via word of mouth, so far I haven't been able to convince a single person I know (either in real life or online gamer) to try it. Even pointing out it's a free download isn't enough to convince people to play.

There's something SERIOUSLY wrong when you can't give it away for free.

I'm not asking for it to rain legendary items but if you want to maintain or increase users, take a leaf out of Gearbox's book with the Borderlands series and fix the issues that annoy people. As it stands, Defiance will die with last gen consoles and the PC fan base won't be sufficient to warrant maintaining the online servers.

Ophidius
05-20-2015, 04:06 AM
Pure observed speculation here:

Ever since I purchased the Ultimate edition, I have pulled surprisingly generous amount of oranges (sometimes two in one crate). Before, I was bringing in one orange about every five or six boxes. Now, about one every three.

Still, I have yet to pull in a jackpot, but I'm liking the odds.

EvilAg3nt
05-20-2015, 07:55 AM
I've stopped becoming interested or excited about 'new' jackpot items because every source I've read regarding loot drops in this game make it clear that Trion has a 'F*ck you" attitude to its players that ignores any form of equality.

When I read that someone who's been playing for 2 years still hasn't scored a jackpot item I despair. But when other players talk about how they've scored a gazillion versions of every item, it sh!t's me to tears. It appears that the majority of players regardless of whether they pay or play for key codes, get anally shafted, whereas a chosen few get handed way more than their fair share.

As for Alcatraz, my initial enthusiasm dulled quickly after playing that broken mess. If Trion thinks I'll spend money to access that garbage then they're sadly mistaken. I don't even bother playing with the free HR tokens they give once a week and I certainly won't spend real money on something I don't use for free.

well,that about covers it,Well Said Sir.
i too,would LOVE to know how and Why certain players get ojs every day in this game yet the rest of us get Squat!!

example of BS rng.
i did a event last night,went to all of the little ones n then the big scrapper prog,and i came in second using a Sword!!
so what did i get for my Awesome Efforts?
green and blue weapons...like really?...and you expect people to keep on playing,Trion,when getting rewarded like this while some ******* who did nothing gets the ojs??
Wake UP.
Read this Below.


Trion appears to have spent more time and effort putting adverts for their shop into the game, than they have in fixing the issues that are losing them customers. So Developers, here's marketing 101 for you:

"People will spend money on things they deem worthwhile and/or of value. The things they don't, they wouldn't p!ss on if it were on fire"

kcl
05-20-2015, 08:41 AM
well,that about covers it,Well Said Sir.
i too,would LOVE to know how and Why certain players get ojs every day in this game yet the rest of us get Squat!!

example of BS rng.
i did a event last night,went to all of the little ones n then the big scrapper prog,and i came in second using a Sword!!
so what did i get for my Awesome Efforts?
green and blue weapons...like really?...and you expect people to keep on playing,Trion,when getting rewarded like this while some ******* who did nothing gets the ojs??
Wake UP.
Read this Below.

If you expect an OJ for that "awesome effort" you are playing wrong game.
FYI the risk of getting OJ from any major arkfall is slim to none. This rant is invalid.

Crack
05-20-2015, 08:43 AM
Whatever the problem is, its not just affecting the lockboxes...I see it in the lack of drops we see at arkfalls and Incursions. Ive ran with several f2p gamers during events and the amount of drops (greens, blues, purps, mods) are 10 to 1 compared to us OGs.

EvilAg3nt
05-20-2015, 08:51 AM
If you expect an OJ for that "awesome effort" you are playing wrong game.
FYI the risk of getting OJ from any major arkfall is slim to none. This rant is invalid.

thanks for your contribution,but the Point was,the Rng is BS,for most no matter how hard they try and yet others are reeling them in like they have nets whilst standing on the Sidelines at the events.

and you are Absolutely Wrong too.
my former clan leaders will get oj drops All the time from the events.
all they have to do is show up.
that,is not Rng,that is a messed up system that needs to be addressed.

kcl
05-20-2015, 09:59 AM
thanks for your contribution,but the Point was,the Rng is BS,for most no matter how hard they try and yet others are reeling them in like they have nets whilst standing on the Sidelines at the events.

and you are Absolutely Wrong too.
my former clan leaders will get oj drops All the time from the events.
all they have to do is show up.
that,is not Rng,that is a messed up system that needs to be addressed.

So yeah, lemme get this straight. They show up during ordinary major arfkall do nothing and get OJs.
Sounds legit except it's not possible. This rant is still invalid.
While I despise the current system as well, let's try to base this topic more on facts less on confabulation.

CowdBlud
05-20-2015, 10:42 AM
ive had at least as many ojs from elite boxes as you and ive never paid real money for one!
most were pretty rubbish or unwanted, but thats besides the point....
1. its a luck/chance thing
2. you dont need to spend money on the game to get oj drops
3. spending money in no way guarantees you will get better drops

now you know.... you wont do it again and complain when it doesn't go how you want it to :D

Smokey Black
05-20-2015, 11:54 AM
I've never pulled an ark shield in over two years... just one GA, one Cataclysm, many random oj's, 3 oj pyro nades which went to refill my nades cause i forgot to fill em before i tried box....(dumdum)

Yeah I have only pulled Ark shields from Soleptor/Von Bach/Top notch boxes. I have also had an Oj pyro nade replenish my stack, but only once i learned that lesson quick.

It was war that pulled an ark from the expert box, I've never gotten one from them. I was surprised when he showed me.

Ray8888
05-20-2015, 12:33 PM
thanks for your contribution,but the Point was,the Rng is BS,for most no matter how hard they try and yet others are reeling them in like they have nets whilst standing on the Sidelines at the events.

and you are Absolutely Wrong too.
my former clan leaders will get oj drops All the time from the events.
all they have to do is show up.
that,is not Rng,that is a messed up system that needs to be addressed.

Its like you dont even know what the R stands for.

Cobra Crusher
05-20-2015, 01:28 PM
So yeah, lemme get this straight. They show up during ordinary major arfkall do nothing and get OJs.
Sounds legit except it's not possible. This rant is still invalid.
While I despise the current system as well, let's try to base this topic more on facts less on confabulation.

I have shown up at the boss and taken 1 shot and got ojs a few times. As long as you get points whether its 250 or 250K you can still get an oj.

GodKingMoloch
05-20-2015, 04:51 PM
Well I play at least 8 hr's a day 8X365x2 =5840 hr's / 24 = 243.33 day's played. And only ever pulled one jackpot. Trion you's need put two Chaos's strait into my inventory. For real WTF it's only 1's and 0's and cost you's nothing to give a jackpot once in a while. I'm sick of paying to play while I seen a ego 1700 pull a chaos this week. Ton's of dedication, and a good part my life gone down the drain. I just would like to get a reward some time (Trion=Ebeneser Scrooge).

Gaige12
05-21-2015, 04:53 AM
Yeah I have only pulled Ark shields from Soleptor/Von Bach/Top notch boxes. I have also had an Oj pyro nade replenish my stack, but only once i learned that lesson quick.

It was war that pulled an ark from the expert box, I've never gotten one from them. I was surprised when he showed me.

I pulled an OJ Frontier Saw from Top Notch yesterday. Of course, the syn is hard boiled :/

.

CowdBlud
05-21-2015, 07:48 AM
and you are Absolutely Wrong too.
my former clan leaders will get oj drops All the time from the events.
all they have to do is show up.
that,is not Rng,that is a messed up system that needs to be addressed.

unfortunately that is still random chance.
some people just seem to have all the luck thats all. unfortunately you are not one of them.
you seem to want to make it so you are guaranteed to get good drops at a given rate etc... that is not random.

EvilAg3nt
05-21-2015, 09:46 AM
I have shown up at the boss and taken 1 shot and got ojs a few times. As long as you get points whether its 250 or 250K you can still get an oj.

thats my point @ the ones who replied to me.
not hey i want freebies.
i just want a real rng chance instead of this garbage system thats in place now.
please and ty.

all you have to do,is look around at the majors.
youll see whos standing off to the side,popping off a coupla rounds,every once innawhile,
till the boss is almost dead then they come flying up and go for the kill shot.
rewards popup,i collect my USUAL greens and blues looking at my top ten finish and they post in chat about their newest ojs.
yep,Rng is working alright!
insert/sarcasm.

EvilAg3nt
05-21-2015, 12:11 PM
I pulled an OJ Frontier Saw from Top Notch yesterday. Of course, the syn is hard boiled :/

.

question for you sir,
about the hard boiled syn,is it a bad syn?
reason i ask,is,i got 2 guns last nite both are hard boiled and have good rolls.
for that matter,while im asking,are Any of the backpack syns worth investing in?
( besides 7th unity )

clay marrow
05-21-2015, 12:13 PM
I've noticed the Monolith giving more oj drops since the last event started and I've even gotten a Volge battle rifle(BLAH) from the progenitor in the past day(first oj from that)... Now the box's on the other hand.... Also, while i agree that the RNG is close to non existent, if everyone received great oj drops the in game market would crumble. just like society there has to be the "haves' and the "have-nots" to keep the economy moving... Going two years without a jackpot though is just wrong anyway you look at it...

clay marrow
05-21-2015, 12:16 PM
question for you sir,
about the hard boiled syn,is it a bad syn?
reason i ask,is,i got 2 guns last nite both are hard boiled and have good rolls.
for that matter,while im asking,are Any of the backpack syns worth investing in?
( besides 7th unity ) My veteran rad nano frontier assault rifle is my strongest gun.. I've even gone and put t5s on it... Just depends on if you get a gun you like and the rolls you're dealt...

Ray8888
05-21-2015, 01:58 PM
Hardboiled is my favorite backpack.

Smokey Black
05-21-2015, 02:25 PM
question for you sir,
about the hard boiled syn,is it a bad syn?
reason i ask,is,i got 2 guns last nite both are hard boiled and have good rolls.
for that matter,while im asking,are Any of the backpack syns worth investing in?
( besides 7th unity )

hard boiled is awesome, works great in expos.

If the guns have good rolls rock on!

GodKingMoloch
05-25-2015, 08:58 PM
OK now I'm upset I've played for three weeks and have not got a orange rig or chip. Played on PTS for about 4 hours and pulled a orange chip. How the ---- do you think I feel about that Trion. I spent a ton of money for nothing. Spend nothing and get a orange chip. I'm very upset right now. That's about all I can say on the forums without getting banned.

Juggalo Juice
05-26-2015, 12:11 AM
All I can say is wow