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Lamar Kendrick
08-17-2015, 01:06 AM
am i getting trolled? i've already wasted 1000 arkforge on my potential 3x dmg tachmag pulser and why am i getting the same mastery over and over again.... i got crit mult twice and recoil three times and other nonsense masteries. this is getting ridiculous esp redundant bonus masteries. instead of saving my arkforge for this upcoming supreme rarity, it gets wasted by giving me bad masteries and ik alot of people are experiencing this but this is borderline crazy. i just want my dmg mastery and this is what i get from spending 1 year playing defiance (started 8/16/14)

ps

it's ok getting random masteries but getting recoil for the 3rd time is making me mad. my tachmag has grenadier and green recoil and sits at -0.04 i don't need another recoil roll to make it better

UPDATE: i got recoil again for the 4th time in under 1 day -_-

Claydough
08-17-2015, 05:03 AM
1000 is usually average for re-rolling.

YahootsMagoondi
08-17-2015, 05:30 AM
i had a dbl dmg vbi eec smg.

i rolled it 42 times for the 3rd dmg and never got it.

i sold it because it disgusted me.

tell me again what the average cost should be for this and supremes again...

Olaf
08-17-2015, 05:51 AM
i had a dbl dmg vbi eec smg.

i rolled it 42 times for the 3rd dmg and never got it.

i sold it because it disgusted me.

tell me again what the average cost should be for this and supremes again...

Well supreme remastering should definitely cycle thorough each possible mastery before repeating one, it's going to cost loads anyway lol

Gaige12
08-17-2015, 06:10 AM
Yeah I can't stand the whole 'guns casino' thing going on in this game. RNG is completely borked.

Smokey Black
08-17-2015, 06:42 AM
Yeah tried getting any useful mastery on my AR. When I got it it had 8% damage next shot after a kill. Relrolled got crit from the hip. Relrolled got crit while crouched. Relrolled and got damage on last shot. Rerolled and got crit while crouched this is where I got suspicious. Drank some brew said f it and reroled again and got crit from the hip. Strange tried one last time and ended up with the 8% damage on next shot after a kill. Just was Cycling through the same few worthless masteries. I would of taken reload, recoil, mag+, damage or crit.

Johnny Stranger
08-17-2015, 06:48 AM
the only guarantee you have is it won't roll consecutive masteries....but you can definitely keep cycling through the same 2 or 3 forever ... :( rng hard at work...it sucks most times....

Crack
08-17-2015, 08:10 AM
I had a Cannoneer Saw that took about 1500af to roll a recoil and Im sitting around 1000af for an AR trying to get the 3rd dmg roll. I finally gave up on the AR and it just sits in my inv until I decide to dump more forge into it.

Ive brought it up several times, but at the cost of AF vs how much you can naturally earn in-game, the mastery roll should cycle, not repeat.

Sevrin
08-17-2015, 08:19 AM
Ya. It's happenstance. I've had some guns where I got the mastery I wanted in the first three times. But more often it took more than 10 tries Most recently I just gave up after burning through 2200 AF and got crit while crouched probably four times. (and boy do I wish I had that AF back now given the whole supreme thing). And then there is this: one of the few times I wasn't looking for damage mastery, got damage on the first roll, lol. Kept it there...well just because.

One thing I do these days, if, for example, I am looking for one specific mastery, say damage. I try to roll it while the weapon is still epic (30 AF as opposed to 75 AF). In the case of damage, there is only a 1% difference (4% v. 5%). (This of course was before I decided to stop upgrading epics.)

And not only does it get expensive (AF wise, especially if the weapon is OJ) but the time sink can be awful also. I totally agree that the mastery roll should cycle not repeat. But I'm thinking that will never happen.

Saminator
08-17-2015, 08:22 AM
Don't use the ark forge to remaster your weapons yet as you will have to remaster them again after they go supreme to get the supreme mastery.

Keziah
08-17-2015, 08:44 AM
I've spent around that too, trying to get a DMG roll on my FRC Saw. I gave up after ten times. -.-

eaglepowers
08-17-2015, 08:45 AM
From my experience if a gun starts cycling through the same worthless masters, which it often does, give the gun a day inbetween re-masters. Trion's rng seems to work in waves. I'd classify it more like rng grouping.

Another big reason why lots of us are pissed at not being able to supreme epic born ojs that we spent af on remastering.

konstantinov
08-17-2015, 08:56 AM
RnG is just a stone cold *****.

Smokey Black
08-17-2015, 09:02 AM
Yeah tried getting any useful mastery on my AR. When I got it it had 8% damage next shot after a kill. Relrolled got crit from the hip. Relrolled got crit while crouched. Relrolled and got damage on last shot. Rerolled and got crit while crouched this is where I got suspicious. Drank some brew said f it and reroled again and got crit from the hip. Strange tried one last time and ended up with the 8% damage on next shot after a kill. Just was Cycling through the same few worthless masteries. I would of taken reload, recoil, mag+, damage or crit.

Update just re-rolled again because I'm a sucker. 10% damage from last show in clip..in like 7 trys I've re-rolled the same 3 mastery's twice, not random.

konstantinov
08-17-2015, 09:17 AM
Update just re-rolled again because I'm a sucker. 10% damage from last show in clip..in like 7 trys I've re-rolled the same 3 mastery's twice, not random.

I've been fairly lucky lately rolling weapons. My suggestion is to find someone trustworthy that will roll it for you. I've rolled countless guns for other people with mixed results. Some people have better luck than others.

Lamar Kendrick
08-17-2015, 10:23 AM
last 6 items i rerolled i got the results i wanted after a few tries

recoil on ghost duster
dmg on surge bolter
another dmg on surge bolter
velocity on cupid's arrow
range on souleater
dmg on st blast rifle (even though i wanted recoil)

but this is way out of hand. as one friend of mine said it should cycle at least the entire list before it appears again

so far....

2x 8% dmg on next shot after a kill
2x crit mult
4x 0.75 recoil

list of what i haven't gotten yet...

dmg
mag
reload
take less dmg while reloading
crit while crouched
dmg from last shot in clip

1200 af now being wasted instead of saving it for the supreme roll coming in a few days

i hope you're reading this kiwibird

Elena Vermillion
08-17-2015, 10:33 AM
It took me 25 tries to get recoil mastery on my Dove. 6 times in a row I got 8% dmg from last shot in clip. Piper took 17 tries, 5 of which were crit. I have really bad RNG when rolling named weapons. Non-nameds Ill get the mastery I want within 3 tries, sometimes the first try.

Lamar Kendrick
08-17-2015, 10:39 AM
It took me 25 tries to get recoil mastery on my Dove. 6 times in a row I got 8% dmg from last shot in clip. Piper took 17 tries, 5 of which were crit. I have really bad RNG when rolling named weapons. Non-nameds Ill get the mastery I want within 3 tries, sometimes the first try.

same here. non named most of the times i get lucky but i think this tachmag is cursed lol

idk if the tachmag is too OP already with blue and oj dmg plus T5 dmg barrel so RNG deciding nah it's way too powerful already, instead get this one for the lols

CryoLegionaire77
08-17-2015, 11:25 AM
This is why I never reroll masteries! Because it's not a "real" RNG! If it was true RNG I wouldn't get damage on last shot in the mag 10 times but damage only on shotguns!

Smokey Black
08-17-2015, 04:39 PM
Update to the saga, finally rolled recoil on the 8th time. 600af spent, not too bad would of liked to spend half.

Ashlocke
08-17-2015, 05:22 PM
I hate RNG in pretty much most games. It is the worst possible carrot to keep players playing.

Dixie Cougar
08-17-2015, 05:26 PM
If it makes you feel any better, this has been happening to people since at least 1945. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvOHo2-vYcE&list=PLgiMTgaqVYcvJT-7kyHJYjWOFPmneFlKq&index=4)

tpollett
08-18-2015, 04:07 AM
47 re rolls for a total of 48 separate masterings of Chaos to get damage. 3,275 total ark forge spent over the course of a month to get that roll.

CryoLegionaire77
08-18-2015, 05:37 AM
47 re rolls for a total of 48 separate masterings of Chaos to get damage. 3,275 total ark forge spent over the course of a month to get that roll.and after you supreme it you will have to start all over, muhahahaha!:p

tpollett
08-18-2015, 05:53 AM
Why would I remaster it at 150 ark forge a pop to get 1% increase in damage? That's really inefficient. I would have taken recoil, and possibly reload, as an alternate to the damage roll but the first 15 masteries I saw a total of four different ones that just cycled.

cmpowell
08-18-2015, 08:55 AM
I think it's time to change the amount of af it costs to reroll masteries to be more in line with the pricing for re rolling a set roll. An oj dmg roll is basically a green roll now so shouldn't it cost 20 af instead of 75 af. A supreme mastery could cost the same as a blue roll. It should actually cost less since your not supposed to be able to re roll the same set roll and you can a mastery roll

Olaf
08-18-2015, 09:20 AM
Why would I remaster it at 150 ark forge a pop to get 1% increase in damage? That's really inefficient. I would have taken recoil, and possibly reload, as an alternate to the damage roll but the first 15 masteries I saw a total of four different ones that just cycled.

I agree, There's no chance of me rerolling oj dmg for even a tiny 02 dmg difference at even the current reroll prices for oj...
Any leftover 100 af that I get will go on either oj mastery or the Supreme lotto.

Ashlocke
08-18-2015, 11:43 AM
I think Trion should hire someone that has a degree in finance because whomever they have deciding what stuff costs could do better by throwing darts at price tags.

There's a reason that the Walmarts of the world do great business, 100 people will buy 1 widget for 1$ dollar, but no one person will buy one widget for 100$ dollars.

The question is, does Trion want to continue trying to make their money from the few that will pay for their overpriced items, or do they want to try to sell them cheaper in order to get many more people to buy their items.

adrokier
08-18-2015, 12:27 PM
The question is, does Trion want to continue trying to make their money from the few that will pay for their overpriced items, or do they want to try to sell them cheaper in order to get many more people to buy their items.


YEAH I cant understand that 2