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Raserei
04-07-2013, 08:15 PM
When people see the term MMO. They automatically assume, MMORPG. They assume the game will have leveling, questing, and tons of cool loot.

If you go outside the box and make an MMO shooter, you better have a unique experience to back the change you are embarking on. Currently, Defiance doesn't have it. I have faith, Trion will make the right tweaks to make it righteous.

The things that Defiance lacks:

1.) Item depth
2.) Character progression depth


I can literally play Borderlands 2 or Gears of War or Call of Duty and get a very similar experience. Why play Defiance, an "MMO-shooter" ? It doesn't offer ANYTHING unique to call it an MMO shooter.

No offense, I enjoy playing Defiance, but if you want to call it an MMO shooter, you have to have the guns to back it, currently, it's the same as any other shooter.

Make it stand out somehow.... Like I said, item depth and character progression depth. There is currently nothing.

Kaarous
04-07-2013, 08:18 PM
Once again, I see...

No matter how much you b*tch your little heart out, it's not going to happen. People have told you in dozens of ways on this forum that you are entirely wrong. Time for you to accept it.

Xaearth
04-07-2013, 08:19 PM
Defiance has both item depth and character progression depth. They are both subtle, but there, and, more importantly, play off one another to make a more tangible "whole" to progression.

You aren't going to be leaps and bounds better with your upgrades. But you will be using less shots and less time to kill the same targets.

That is if you're coordinating your items and perks/proficiency well.

alienoid
04-07-2013, 08:26 PM
Defiance has both item depth and character progression depth. They are both subtle, but there, and, more importantly, play off one another to make a more tangible "whole" to progression.

You aren't going to be leaps and bounds better with your upgrades. But you will be using less shots and less time to kill the same targets.

That is if you're coordinating your items and perks/proficiency well.

^This. The horizontal progression, I said it multiple times already, is quite refreshing. No gap between players, no big numbers, no noobs, no uber badasses. Everybody is equal, but yet different in regard of playstyle, and can team up right of the bat with a vet, no tedious need to "catch up".
Trion got rid of all the painful stuff and make the progression really interesting in tailoring your stuff to your playstyle. And that's only the beginning.
I hope they'll stick to their vision of the game and don't dumb it down to the standards.

MattN
04-07-2013, 08:28 PM
Think of this game as GTA online instead of traditional MMO.

Raserei
04-07-2013, 08:29 PM
Defiance has both item depth and character progression depth. They are both subtle, but there, and, more importantly, play off one another to make a more tangible "whole" to progression.

You aren't going to be leaps and bounds better with your upgrades. But you will be using less shots and less time to kill the same targets.

That is if you're coordinating your items and perks/proficiency well.

Shotgun Online, must be depth in PvP.

EGO 1 does 100 damage with gun X, EGO 5000 does 115 damage with gun X. Must be awesome.

I expected a ton of casual responses.

This game has zero depth, just the illusion of being massive.

World map? Well, there are Arkfalls and mini-events. That is the world map after you do all the quests. So if you think of Borderlands, it is just one massive "level".

PvE? Co-op missions are about all there is to PvE (and Arkfalls)........ No gear from bosses, why? Because it doesn't matter. There is no gear in this game, just guns. Gear has depth, guns have simplicity.

PvP? Fun, but currently broken. Cloak+Shotgun..... gg........................


What does Defiance have? A TV SHOW! WOOT! I am excited for that, legit........ Will be great!


What about the game? After playing Rift, I am shocked that Trion released Defiance like this..... I have a feeling internally they are hurting. They wish they delayed it a few months. That is a guess. Defiance has soooooooooooooooooooooo much potential, yet it falls short, or wait, it ARKfalls short, get it?


Add item depth

Add character progression depth

You got yourself a great game!


Otherwise, I'll just go play counterstrike 1.6 or counterstrike source or call of duty modern warfare

Kaarous
04-07-2013, 08:31 PM
Whines about shotguns, check.

Whines about progression, and wanting bigger numbers to stroke his epeen, check.

Whines because he has no clue about the actual depth of items in the game (which, btw, is massive), check.

Mentions CoD or WoW, check.

*drumroll*

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a noob!

Xaearth
04-07-2013, 08:31 PM
Casual response?

Shotgun is a casual weapon... no thought or aiming required.

Try playing as something other than a casual if you want to understand responses that aren't framed from the casual mindset.

Seiox
04-07-2013, 08:42 PM
Your problem is you assume. Everyone knows what happens when you assume things. Like assuming this is a MMORPG when in fact it is just a MMOTPS.

KashraFall
04-07-2013, 08:45 PM
The term MMO means. "Massive multiplayer online." The fact you are playing with others in a persistent world, indicates this game is indeed a MMO. It has character progression which is the ego tree as well as skill upgrades. It has weapon progression due to mods that you cannot find at low level unless ultra lucky. You people honestly are so spoiled by what games have done in the past, that you are expecting this game to follow a similar formula. It tried something, it worked, please deal with it.

Kaarous
04-07-2013, 08:46 PM
Your problem is you assume. Everyone knows what happens when you assume things. Like assuming this is a MMORPG when in fact it is just a MMOTPS.

He also defines MMO as something other than what it is. A Massively Multiplayer Online game. Lots of people on the same server? Yep. Played on the internet? Yep.

I never understand why people would spend so much time on the forums listing off all the things they hate about the game, or how they want this part to be more like *list different mmo here*.

If you like the game, play it. If you don't like the game,(as clearly you do not) then stop playing, and spare us all the histrionics. Trust me, I won't miss you.

Todeswulf
04-07-2013, 08:48 PM
Defiance has both item depth and character progression depth. They are both subtle, but there, and, more importantly, play off one another to make a more tangible "whole" to progression.

You aren't going to be leaps and bounds better with your upgrades. But you will be using less shots and less time to kill the same targets.

That is if you're coordinating your items and perks/proficiency well.

THANK YOU!

Finally someone with a modicum of intelligence.

Seiox
04-07-2013, 08:54 PM
He also defines MMO as something other than what it is. A Massively Multiplayer Online game. Lots of people on the same server? Yep. Played on the internet? Yep.

I never understand why people would spend so much time on the forums listing off all the things they hate about the game, or how they want this part to be more like *list different mmo here*.

If you like the game, play it. If you don't like the game,(as clearly you do not) then stop playing, and spare us all the histrionics. Trust me, I won't miss you.

I also like how they think that posting this on the forums will solve anything.... Any forums for that matter.

cfStatic
04-07-2013, 08:58 PM
People are stupid for assuming that MMO = MMORPG. They're not the same thing, and while Defiance does have some MMORPG in it, it is not an MMORPG. People need to learn the difference, and everyone will be better off for it.

Jeff Kaos
04-07-2013, 09:04 PM
The term MMO means. "Massive multiplayer online." The fact you are playing with others in a persistent world, indicates this game is indeed a MMO. It has character progression which is the ego tree as well as skill upgrades. It has weapon progression due to mods that you cannot find at low level unless ultra lucky. You people honestly are so spoiled by what games have done in the past, that you are expecting this game to follow a similar formula. It tried something, it worked, please deal with it.

I was thinking this same thing. What does OP think mmo means anyway? I'm playing a shooter with dozens of other players online. Simple as that. It's a shooter not an RPG and as such character progression is completely different. Doesn't mean they can't add more RPG elements as time goes on but until then it is what it is. At least it's free of subscription fees and fun to play.

Kaarous
04-07-2013, 09:13 PM
I was thinking this same thing. What does OP think mmo means anyway? I'm playing a shooter with dozens of other players online. Simple as that. It's a shooter not an RPG and as such character progression is completely different. Doesn't mean they can't add more RPG elements as time goes on but until then it is what it is. At least it's free of subscription fees and fun to play.

He thinks MMO means WoW, and shooter means CoD. If Defiance can't do all of the things he likes about each one, well then, they fail. Nevermind that each has been touted as having collectively ruined their respective genres.

Reasonable players, on the other hand, take the game for itself, and try not to compare it to things that are not even it's same category.

Bluegobln
04-07-2013, 09:18 PM
Once again, I see...

No matter how much you b*tch your little heart out, it's not going to happen. People have told you in dozens of ways on this forum that you are entirely wrong. Time for you to accept it.This guy is spot on. The OP is under the illusion that they are correct because they refuse to acknowledge anything that indicates their opinion is mislead.

I also love this post.


He thinks MMO means WoW, and shooter means CoD. If Defiance can't do all of the things he likes about each one, well then, they fail. Nevermind that each has been touted as having collectively ruined their respective genres.

Barrik
04-07-2013, 09:23 PM
When people see the term MMO. They automatically assume, MMORPG. They assume the game will have leveling, questing, and tons of cool loot.

If you go outside the box and make an MMO shooter, you better have a unique experience to back the change you are embarking on. Currently, Defiance doesn't have it. I have faith, Trion will make the right tweaks to make it righteous.

The things that Defiance lacks:

1.) Item depth
2.) Character progression depth


I can literally play Borderlands 2 or Gears of War or Call of Duty and get a very similar experience. Why play Defiance, an "MMO-shooter" ? It doesn't offer ANYTHING unique to call it an MMO shooter.

No offense, I enjoy playing Defiance, but if you want to call it an MMO shooter, you have to have the guns to back it, currently, it's the same as any other shooter.

Make it stand out somehow.... Like I said, item depth and character progression depth. There is currently nothing.

Now I am beginning to think you're a troll. The things you say are soooo off base and ridiculous that you must be. What do the type of guns have to do with whether or not it's massively multiplayer? Really bud? Just go away. It's people like you that make companies keep spewing out regurgitated crap like cod and wow clones. There are plenty of those out there, have at it.

Raserei
04-07-2013, 10:07 PM
Let's say Call of Duty made an MMO!

CALL OF DUTY ONLINE!

All the same guns, bigger maps, same everything else................ Is it an MMO? CoD on a larger map? No.

Ikagawa
04-07-2013, 10:14 PM
Let's say Call of Duty made an MMO!

CALL OF DUTY ONLINE!

All the same guns, bigger maps, same everything else................ Is it an MMO? CoD on a larger map? No.

No, then it'd be Battlefield ;)

alienoid
04-07-2013, 10:20 PM
Let's say Call of Duty made an MMO!

CALL OF DUTY ONLINE!

All the same guns, bigger maps, same everything else................ Is it an MMO? CoD on a larger map? No.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge MMORPG fan and rather harcore at them. We agree that Defiance is a shooter, is MMO per the definition and has little RPG elements.
On the depth topic, I played countless MMORPGs and let's face it, they might have tons of different gear, any decent raid warrior will end up with the exact same armor and flaming sword than any other common warrior Joe simply because they are the best available in the game. Not very deep, isn't it ?

In Defiance, we all have the same crap, no best stuff (refreshing, I dare to say ;) ). But if my playstyle is to fire in burst, I can mod it. If it is fast reload, I can mod it. Crit specialist ? I can mod it. And the list goes on. By starting with the exact same base, you can adjust near perfection to your very own use your gear. That sounds deep to me, no ?

Dixa
04-07-2013, 10:25 PM
When people see the term MMO. They automatically assume, MMORPG. They assume the game will have leveling, questing, and tons of cool loot.

If you go outside the box and make an MMO shooter, you better have a unique experience to back the change you are embarking on. Currently, Defiance doesn't have it. I have faith, Trion will make the right tweaks to make it righteous.

The things that Defiance lacks:

1.) Item depth
2.) Character progression depth


I can literally play Borderlands 2 or Gears of War or Call of Duty and get a very similar experience. Why play Defiance, an "MMO-shooter" ? It doesn't offer ANYTHING unique to call it an MMO shooter.

No offense, I enjoy playing Defiance, but if you want to call it an MMO shooter, you have to have the guns to back it, currently, it's the same as any other shooter.

Make it stand out somehow.... Like I said, item depth and character progression depth. There is currently nothing.


why did you make this thread without understanding the term?

mmo means massively multiplayer online. borderlands and gears of war are not massively multiplayer. call of duty is not massively mlutiplayer. bf3 is massively only on 64 man maps.

this game is massively multiplayer and it's online. the term was coined by richard garriot during the development of UO when the record of concurrent users in an online game was under 300.

karmakill
04-07-2013, 10:37 PM
My personal ideea is like this, mmo is a genre, it doesnt mean littlerally masive multiplayer online only, just like the rpg genre doesnt just mean the game needs to allow u to be in the role that you play, by that it could mean formula1 is an rpg because you roleplay a driver, no, rpg doesnt mean just role playing game, it means inventory, loot, char progression, quests, etc, same with mmo, as a genre it is defined by others that began the genre and made it popular, a game is not mmo just by litterally beeing massive mult online, this is just how i see things, i also think defiance IS an mmo game, but not an mmo rpg, well thats where the problem is, it tries to be rpg aswell, but that part it doesnt do so good, gets the shooting and mmo part right tho.

Ikagawa
04-07-2013, 10:41 PM
My personal ideea is like this, mmo is a genre, it doesnt mean littlerally masive multiplayer online only, just like the rpg genre doesnt just mean the game needs to allow u to be in the role that you play, by that it could mean formula1 is an rpg because you roleplay a driver, no, rpg doesnt mean just role playing game, it means inventory, loot, char progression, quests, etc, same with mmo, as a genre it is defined by others that began the genre and made it popular, a game is not mmo just by litterally beeing massive mult online, this is just how i see things, i also think defiance IS an mmo game, but not an mmo rpg, well thats where the problem is, it tries to be rpg aswell, but that part it doesnt do so good, gets the shooting and mmo part right tho.

What in the hell are you talking about? Yes, MMO literally mean massive multiplayer online. No, your opinion won't change that fact.

Seiox
04-07-2013, 10:47 PM
What in the hell are you talking about? Yes, MMO literally mean massive multiplayer online. No, your opinion won't change that fact.

Posting on the forums most certainly wont change that. Yes there are some MMORPG things they could add a.k.a auction house, mail, etc. but atm I'd rather them focus on fixing bugs and other such problems before even touching new content.

You are however welcome just as much as anyone else to post about this in the Suggestions forum.

Delicious Peaches
04-08-2013, 12:26 AM
No, then it'd be Battlefield ;)

:confused: LOL! :p

Delicious Peaches
04-08-2013, 12:32 AM
What about the game? After playing Rift, I am shocked that Trion released Defiance like this.....

I don't know what you were thinking but this isn't Rift. It might be a Trion release but it is no where close to being a MMORPG like Rift is. Rift is fantasy. Defiance is sci-fi, steampunkish. It is also a 3rd person shooter. So yeah it is really a MMOTPS where you can team up with a few or a whole clan unlike your average shooter.