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fm0987
11-07-2017, 08:35 PM
As ftp, don't ever really plan on buying patron again for various reasons, so there's the weekly forge cap which I probably never reach anyway, would rather not wait a month and a half of grinding forge for 100% chance (takes about 3000 doesn't it?). I've supremed a few weapons before, I think I used 10 or 15%. Anyone have any luck using the lowest possible? Obviously will take a few tries. Or in the long run, you actually end up spending more? Suppose it all depends on luck to some degree.

Aliasse
11-07-2017, 09:09 PM
5% is possible but don't expect it to be a 100%. There are a few times I'm able to do it at 5-10% when I have low af

LordLand
11-07-2017, 09:10 PM
It's possible, all my sup gear and weapons are sup only at 5%. Just depends on luck.

ReFleX
11-07-2017, 09:13 PM
I try 5-10-15% then rinse and repeat, i also try to supreme between multiple items, and sometimes atleast one of them will turn supreme.

chow1116
11-08-2017, 12:16 AM
its a waste of af only if it doesnt work lol..im sure everyone has their own unique method but the way i do it is 5-10-5-10%...etc.

fm0987
11-08-2017, 02:03 AM
Well yeah, idk, I guess thought someone might have some kind of anecdotal evidence or data or something they compiled showing that low percentages actually end up spending way more on average, but doesn't seem to be the case from the way it sounds.

Chump Norris
11-08-2017, 02:27 AM
If all you use is 5% you would sometimes spend more than it costs to 100%, but sometimes you would spend less, it's luck.

konstantinov
11-08-2017, 04:20 AM
I typically have better results with 5% upgrades if it's a weapon/shield I just pulled and have not equipped or modded. I've done at least 8-10 weapons/shields this way.

Alahali
11-08-2017, 05:21 AM
5%
5% + 5%
5% + 5% + 10%

Bloodbath82
11-08-2017, 07:17 AM
I don't do 100% ever. When you have 2 guns fail @ 100% you learn not to do that anymore. I posted a video of said fails and got some forum vacation so I won't be showing that again. Just do 5% a few times then pepper in a random 10% here and there works most of the time.

Ophidius
11-08-2017, 09:46 AM
I have two f'n weapons that make 15% a waste of ark forge.

Ones a pistol with fifteen attempts or more.
The other is a sniper rifle with 20 or more attempts.

So much wasted forge....

arms are heavy
11-08-2017, 10:13 AM
I have two f'n weapons that make 15% a waste of ark forge.

Ones a pistol with fifteen attempts or more.
The other is a sniper rifle with 20 or more attempts.

So much wasted forge....

Why are you complaining? Just do 100% if you can't handle failure. Seriously it's not that hard.

ratpie
11-08-2017, 10:24 AM
only ever do 5% some pop on first try
most go under 750af, some items dont want supreme.

last item sup was a EXL Miracle GA went over 4k af.
but if i had to add it all up im shur i have saved af in the end sticking with 5%.

Punkcore
11-08-2017, 10:38 AM
My gf always supremes her equipment using 10%, sometimes takes looots of trys.

For me it doesn't work, so I go for 40% and uses to success with 2~4 trys.

I know people that only do 100%.

So it depends on your "belives" about what is better.

Bloodbath82
11-09-2017, 12:30 AM
Why are you complaining? Just do 100% if you can't handle failure. Seriously it's not that hard.
Did you miss my post about failed attempts @100%. It's a waste of af.

SHADOWFOX2448
11-09-2017, 05:01 AM
T6d 2 ab's this morning at 5%

fm0987
11-09-2017, 09:07 AM
Nice, I bought a t5 ab the other day, attemped a few tries, maybe 4 or 5 but failed so far lol.

fm0987
11-09-2017, 09:14 AM
On the subject of forge, since keycode boxes are almost always vendor food anyway, is the expert or (recruit? , think it's called that, idk) box better when trying to pull forge or t5 nades? Do they even drop oj nades? For the keycode cost, I guess the expert box would be best when going for forge, or the elite has a higher drop chance maybe? Idk.

Verga DeFuego
11-09-2017, 09:58 AM
I almost always do 15% as it's the most cost effective.
At 15% I usually get a supreme between 3 and 6 attempts.
Here's a table showing the cost in AF at each percentage level:
% ChanceBase Cost% CostTotal CostCost per % point 58008016.00 10806514514.50 158013021014.00 208021529514.75 258030038015.20 308041049016.33 358052060017.14 408065073018.25 458078086019.11 5080930101020.20 55801080116021.09 60801250133022.17 65801420150023.08 70801605168524.07 75801790187024.93 80801980206025.75 85802170225026.47 90802365244527.17 95802560264027.79 100802760284028.40

Krapping Koala
11-09-2017, 11:25 AM
Thanks Verga - this is super helpful! I used to do everything at 20%-30% but I think I'll stick with 15% after seeing this.

I know this is a small sample size but incase anyone is curious to see some real data, I've kept track of how many attempts it took and the cost for every weapon I've made supreme:

Hyperon Emitter - 2 at 20% (590)
Hematophagous - 6 at 20% (1770)
Oblivion - 1 at 30% (490)
Deuterium Depletor - 1 at 30% (490)
Demogorgon - 1 at 30% (490)
Einstein - 2 at 25% (760)
Planck - 2 at 30% (980)
Pandemic - 1 at 20% (295)
Caustic Venom - 3 at 20% (885)
Eligos - 5 at 20% (1475)
Inferno - 4 at 20% (1180)
Recursive Resonator - 5 at 15% + 1 at 20% + 4 at 15% (2185)

A bit ironic seeing that the one i tried at 15% destroyed me, but I'll probably still go with 15% from now on lol. Won't be any time soon for my next attempt though, that recursive took everything i had :P
On the bright side it still costed less than a 100% chance

Verga DeFuego
11-09-2017, 11:41 AM
^^ Thanks for posting that data Koala. I'm going to start keeping track... would be interesting to compare stats in 6 months :)

If I start getting frustrated at 15%, I just remind myself that it would take 14 attempts at 15% before exceeding the cost of a single 100% chance. So even that Recursive Resonator was a bargain versus a single 100% chance. But it sure feels good when you get supreme on your 1st 15% attempt :)

Rouge Assasin
11-15-2017, 03:32 PM
As ftp, don't ever really plan on buying patron again for various reasons, so there's the weekly forge cap which I probably never reach anyway, would rather not wait a month and a half of grinding forge for 100% chance (takes about 3000 doesn't it?). I've supremed a few weapons before, I think I used 10 or 15%. Anyone have any luck using the lowest possible? Obviously will take a few tries. Or in the long run, you actually end up spending more? Suppose it all depends on luck to some degree.
You want guaranteed results? Sell AF and buy the t6 you want. I just wasted 1000af trying 2 T6 my prepatch slicer bmg 4% 5%. Could have prob gotten 4mill+ for forge.