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Antony Harrist
11-27-2017, 07:11 PM
Whilst I don't agree with the bit prices for mods, I love those new ex inanis runners at iron demon ranch. It's nice to have a little bit of a choice of what your getting

With the work that must of been done to get all those runners sorted. I think they should remain after the black Friday sale has ended

Celldweller
11-27-2017, 07:25 PM
I think everyone agrees with you on this.

Johnny Stranger
11-27-2017, 07:28 PM
It is a little confusing ... why is there an smg , ar , lmg mod Vendor when you only need 1 as they all use the same mods ... does the ar gun runner only sell ar’s or are blast rifles also in there ...

Celldweller
11-27-2017, 07:45 PM
I would say it makes it less confusing for newer players looking to mod a
particular type of gun and they may not know they all take the same mods. Also since blast rifles are assault rifles they should be in the mix of the perfected ar vendor...I assume.

Infinity Eagle
11-27-2017, 07:55 PM
I agree ,They should make the vendors permanent, like they did with the armament boxes.

There is no way to get all the mods needed in one week. I know someone that got a Adaptive Augmentation rocket, I do not think that a rocket was available during that event, so no way to get mods for it except from the Gulanee runners.

WANNAGOFAST2015
11-27-2017, 08:10 PM
I arggee this can also bring more money to defiance and also bring more players as well.

r1p
11-27-2017, 08:11 PM
I agree ,They should make the vendors permanent, like they did with the armament boxes.

There is no way to get all the mods needed in one week. I know someone that got a Adaptive Augmentation rocket, I do not think that a rocket was available during that event, so no way to get mods for it except from the Gulanee runners.

It's easy to get the mods and it would only take 15 minutes. People can buy mod caches for $20 until they get the mods they need.

Bloodbath82
11-27-2017, 09:49 PM
It's easy to get the mods and it would only take 15 minutes. People can buy mod caches for $20 until they get the mods they need.

Riiiiight ;) you don't suspect a cash dash either? Lol

Fist of Life
11-27-2017, 11:40 PM
i agree with everyone else

Celldweller
11-28-2017, 05:20 AM
They could also spread the runners to their respected locations it they didn't want them to remain bunched at iron demon like sniper vendor at muir ar vendor at idr ect.

Altras
11-28-2017, 09:43 AM
Yes please <3

Maybe post them in towns with their weapon mods (ex:sniper runner at muir)

Verga DeFuego
11-28-2017, 09:49 AM
+1
Great suggestion.

slobyboi
11-28-2017, 09:57 AM
They could also do the same for py'numbra like the hidden vendors but put him somewhere not easy to find rather than doing over a 1000 emergencys and still not finding him

Johnny Dbag
11-28-2017, 10:03 AM
Yes please. Leave the specific vendors there. Like other have pointed out, what if someone pulls their own personal unicorn gun, and it's an off syn gun that was never around before? It sits in their inventory with chimera or pt mods on it and the syn not lit up? One week is simply not enough time. Not to mention there was no heads up to save pg, as there was before the Armament crates were introduced. We were given the courtesy of a notice to save up rep, because something was coming. This time, blindsided. I wish we would have known, I would not have blown 80k pg before this update. So yes please, keep it around. It will probably keep players around and interested in the game if they do.

Johnny Gatt
11-28-2017, 11:22 AM
They could make these vendors the scrip sink we have all been asking for. The vendors could be permanent. Keep pg at 5200 but increase scrip cost to 500k.

Also a good idea is to increase the vendor payout for crap mods. Selling a t5 tactical scope right now is $22,500 scrip. Increase it to ...say 100k. That way you could vendor 5 tactical sopes making one of them actually free.

DekarBR
11-28-2017, 01:06 PM
Naah,that would be too easy..strange most ppl here want this to be perma just to babble in zone chat later saying "trion made the game easier" "all noobs have good guns now" "this game is ending" and etc etc etc..

Johnny Dbag
11-28-2017, 01:15 PM
Naah,that would be too easy..strange most ppl here want this to be perma just to babble in zone chat later saying "trion made the game easier" "all noobs have good guns now" "this game is ending" and etc etc etc..
I dont think that would be the case at all. There is still a hefty amount of rng in getting a decent drop from the pg vendors. They are dropping a lot of terrible guns, and terrible mods. If any new vendor is "ruining" the game, it's Py Numbra. As soon as a desired jp shows up there (acid bath, dc11 and azatoth so far) the market for these guns get ruined. Watching a once desired gun that actually had trade value being traded for pennies on the dollar hurts. Not that I am a huge trader, but one that has a decent collection of gear and hard work getting it together, only to see it just falling apart. Oh well.

WhiteStrike
11-28-2017, 01:19 PM
Taking into account Trion's point of view, I don't see this happening without either an increase in the boxes' price or nerf a of PG earnings.

Ramathorne1
11-28-2017, 01:45 PM
Whilst I don't agree with the bit prices for mods, I love those new ex inanis runners at iron demon ranch. It's nice to have a little bit of a choice of what your getting

With the work that must of been done to get all those runners sorted. I think they should remain after the black Friday sale has ended


I concur with this idea

Mr Devlin
11-28-2017, 01:56 PM
I concur with this idea

I heartily agree as well, it is a shame to see good code go to waste (like the sort option we had in the exchange that could be added to inventory screen alleviating a lot of complaints). Hope your listening....

Antony Harrist
11-29-2017, 12:02 AM
Naah,that would be too easy..strange most ppl here want this to be perma just to babble in zone chat later saying "trion made the game easier" "all noobs have good guns now" "this game is ending" and etc etc etc..

Why canít noobs have good guns as well? It might stop some of the crying, or at least they will have no excuses

As someone said pynumbra does a lot more damage to the price of jpís than these runners ever could

huntchew
11-29-2017, 12:20 AM
I would love it if the vendors @ idr could stay. Even at the high pg rate to buy things it would keep players from being stuck with weapons they'll never be able to mod or praying the syn they need will come to the pi vendor. Also would like to see a tweak to the cost of mods or be able to have a choice somewhat of what we would able to pull as previous have stated.

Cygnus
11-29-2017, 12:25 AM
These need to stay but bit prices need to be reduced and mod vendors need to drop 3 t4s with each t5 mod purchase so the weapons can be used with their synergy active sooner than later, otherwise the guns and mods are useless vendor food.

$20 a gamble is ridiculous. $100s to maybe get the weapon type you are looking for. $100s to maybe get the mods. $1000s to correctly light the synergy and $50-100s to upgrade and master puts these immediatly out of nearly every players price range. Only the the nolifers will ever complete that chase, taking a lot of fun out of a new addition to the game for the majority of players.

I have a suspicion that whatever they are working on that they can't disclose will break more hearts than make people happy. I feel like it will make all the gear we already have acquired, collected, modded, upgraded, mastered and spent bits on or farmed resourses for will become useless or unusable once this new stuff they are busy doing comes out. I would avoid spending any money till they make announcements. You could find out it's coming to next gen consoles (well a 5 year plan as they announced would have to go next gen and we already know this version is not backward compatible) but in a completely new version that's not compatible with this version and be out a ton of real money, time and effort. I hate to see that be the case but I wouldn't put it past them. After 4 almost 5 years this is what id expect. Porting characters to another console is unlikely because bit store, or as we used to say, because grenades....

Bit buyers beware....

FOX
11-29-2017, 12:50 AM
These need to stay but bit prices need to be reduced and mod vendors need to drop 3 t4s with each t5 mod purchase so the weapons can be used with their synergy. Sooner than later. Otherwise the guns and mods are useless.

Brilliant suggestion! Absolutely smashing and spot on!! I for one second this ...here here!!

Cygnus
11-29-2017, 12:54 AM
Brilliant suggestion! Absolutely smashing and spot on!! I for one second this ...here here!!

Thank you. Unfortunately as logical as this suggestion is, it'll never happen. It doesn't fit their business model or their past history.

Hope in one hand and **** in the other. See which hand fill up first...

DEATHBRINGER210
11-29-2017, 01:03 AM
its better if its only a few times a year..

Antony Harrist
11-29-2017, 01:05 AM
its better if its only a few times a year..

In your opinion, and please explain why?

Karn Silver Golem
11-29-2017, 05:40 AM
They should also put a vendor or runner with T4 mods and converters.

Logain
11-29-2017, 07:31 AM
Whilst I don't agree with the bit prices for mods, I love those new ex inanis runners at iron demon ranch. It's nice to have a little bit of a choice of what your getting

With the work that must of been done to get all those runners sorted. I think they should remain after the black Friday sale has ended

Would be interesting of they were here long term.


Taking into account Trion's point of view, I don't see this happening without either an increase in the boxes' price or nerf a of PG earnings.

This is what would happen.

I good compromise would be to put these Py Runners by there appropriate location on the map by mod store and make them purchase able using Loyalty. Like 50 loyalty or something like that.

kromc5
11-29-2017, 09:03 AM
Nice to see this as a permanent edition but pg prices would need to come down especially for mods. Spent real cash for t5 mods one of which does not even work.

Johnny Dbag
11-29-2017, 05:51 PM
Please leave the vendors there. They are way better "end game" content than expeditions are. As plenty of people have pointed out, the rng is still terrible. It will take eons for guns to drop, and then another eternity to mod them to a player's taste. These vendors NEED to stay in the game. Yes, bit prices can come down, and the boxes need to be updated to reflect the current "perfected" weapons and what should be dropping. You could even go a step further and add a weapon type specific crate, say blast rifle, mass blaster, big boomer, mass cannon, etc. and quadruple or heck, even 10x the the pg cost. Players would grind for that, no doubt. You put the pg cost at 50k pg for a specific gun crate, it will take long enough for players to earn that much that the market will not get flooded. Even if that was added, still better than how bad Py Numbra floods the market when a desired jp shows up there. This is very similar to when the Armament crates were introduced. Dev's thought one month would be enough time for us to get 20 different jackpots from there. Here we are, almost a year later, and Armament jackpots remain one of the more rare items. Just my thoughts.

konstantinov
11-29-2017, 06:56 PM
I have a few suggestions for this.


1. Leave them there and tie them in with the patron pass for access.
2. Leave one specialty vendor there that rotates out every month.

Kedarthebest
11-29-2017, 07:03 PM
I have a few suggestions for this.


1. Leave them there and tie them in with the patron pass for access.
2. Leave one specialty vendor there that rotates out every month.

Ahhh give the cash cow more money i like that.

konstantinov
11-29-2017, 07:07 PM
Ahhh give the cash cow more money i like that.

$7 a month is hardly a cash cow.

Delta4
11-29-2017, 07:21 PM
I agree 100% with this as long as you understand that if this were to left in the game yes *trion* would make money off of it; but it would be in miniscule proportions as no one wants to spend that many bits. This also presents the problem to the community of a new scam like trade known as the "pg trade" where one player asks for lets say 5200pg for a box for 10mill but the player supplying the 5200pg is completely scammed when they get a bad mod like a melee stock, ect. Another point that has been brought to my attention is that this makes people under the impression that trion cares in a deep way about fans( at the end of the day a hug doesnt pay the bills). So i can see the traders staying but it is unlikely due to the lag+lack of money being made+ this was a 1 week deal they have held there word in the past i dont expect it to change.

konstantinov
11-29-2017, 07:30 PM
I agree 100% with this as long as you understand that if this were to left in the game yes *trion* would make money off of it; but it would be in miniscule proportions as no one wants to spend that many bits. This also presents the problem to the community of a new scam like trade known as the "pg trade" where one player asks for lets say 5200pg for a box for 10mill but the player supplying the 5200pg is completely scammed when they get a bad mod like a melee stock, ect. Another point that has been brought to my attention is that this makes people under the impression that trion cares in a deep way about fans( at the end of the day a hug doesnt pay the bills). So i can see the traders staying but it is unlikely due to the lag+lack of money being made+ this was a 1 week deal they have held there word in the past i dont expect it to change.

I’m fairly certain Trion would treat dealings with PG like they do arkforge. It’s a “at your own risk” deal and Trion has stated numerous times they will not refund you if you get ripped off. Will this stop people from doing it? Without a doubt it won’t. We’re all familiar with how micro transaction games work (think phone games). Defiance is basically an online casino where the house always wins.

Kedarthebest
11-29-2017, 07:42 PM
$7 a month is hardly a cash cow.

Good point. Lol

Chump Norris
11-29-2017, 07:57 PM
I wish they would leave them, imo this is a better system than what we normally have because certain weapons like BMG aren't being excluded.

Joile
11-29-2017, 10:33 PM
I agree with most everything said here but one thing. Please leave the Py vendor. I have been waiting a year for a chance to get a aza. Now I have one thanks to the py vendor. I hope he stays so I have a chance at another good JP in the future. The aza's that were in players inventory never came up for trade for me. I think the py vendor is a great idea and gives everyone a chance at a desirable weapon. I could care less about trade value of a weapon. I am here to play the game and not to be a weapons merchant...:)

KNN
11-30-2017, 02:34 AM
They expected such thread and the answer is known, but it's nice people keeps dream.

Neoshell
11-30-2017, 04:01 AM
A good idea would be imo that instead of having this runners selling all the syns like is happening now,the devs could use them to Sell the current syns t5 mods and perfected weapons for the same amount of PG or could increase it a bit. This way we still have the chance for chasing the mods and weapons that we need without having everything avaible and after a month most probably would be bored again. This runners could have a specific syn rotation or the same syn rotation as PY or the common runners.