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Kedarthebest
12-01-2017, 12:52 AM
*Ahem* before i go on a rant let me just think about how can this be better.....okay so me and the people I traded with open a bunch of ID det mod crates....soo hmm 7 radius barrels,2 min dmg barrels, 4 det stocks, 1 reload mag and 3 sights........7 radius barrel....s...e...v...e....n.......7 as in 1234567.....7.....ahem....what in the hell is this....Don't say oh well this is balanced rng or say ohh maybe you got bad luck or say OH YOUR NOT GOOD...Noooo this is not okay!!! 7 radius barrels!? Really!!???? Omg this isn't even rng...this is garbage or whatever the hell this is. Im so baffled by this like am I doing this wrong or am I just stupid or what? Tell me what am I doing wrong... Cause what in the hell.....Literally been doing PG trades this week with people cause I can't farm PG cause I got school and I gotta babysit after sometimes.... Literally paid people even for the bad mods cause im not that type of guy to say "oh you got a bad mod well nope no pay" no no this is crap at it's finest.....I have never been this frustrated over a game it's like I want this game to do better but It just doesn't....bet if I played destiny 2 right now i would be drop 5 exotics and get guns I need without trying to spend 100$ or 25mil+ in scrip for weapons and crap...There has to be a fix for this cause the rng is weighted to garbage mods that people DON'T WANT. Imagine getting 6 AR melee stocks back to back or 6 vanguard damn rifles back to back....what the hell am I doing wrong please someone tell me?

Johnny Gatt
12-01-2017, 01:07 AM
It could have been much worse.
You could have used up all of your pg and $120 on cn rocket mods for a mass cannon, only to get all guided sights, 2 dispersion muzzles , guided stocks and one useable stock.
rng is random as to which type or radius barrel, falloff barrel, melee stock etc you gonna get. The good stuff is weighted to drop less often, such as recoil stocks, power bore/muzzle etc. It is how you are encouraged to gamble in this game.

The first few radius barrels that dropped should have been the sign to stop wasting resources/bits on the vendor, but most of us will keep trying anyways, after all our luck has to change on the next pull of the lever for that good mod... nope radius barrel... nope radius barrel.... nope radius barrel. This is how casinos hook in the compulsive gamblers.

Kedarthebest
12-01-2017, 01:17 AM
It could have been much worse.
You could have used up all of your pg and $120 on cn rocket mods for a mass cannon, only to get all guided sights, 2 dispersion muzzles , guided stocks and one useable stock.
rng is random as to which type or radius barrel, falloff barrel, melee stock etc you gonna get. The good stuff is weighted to drop less often, such as recoil stocks, power bore/muzzle etc. It is how you are encouraged to gamble in this game.

The first few radius barrels that dropped should have been the sign to stop wasting resources/bits on the vendor, but most of us will keep trying anyways, after all our luck has to change on the next pull of the lever for that good mod... nope radius barrel... nope radius barrel.... nope radius barrel. This is how casinos hook in the compulsive gamblers.

Yup im so glad I didn't drop 20$ on a mod cause oh boy i be wanting to throw my ps3 out the window by now....

Johnny Gatt
12-01-2017, 02:28 AM
I managed to get another 5200 pg scrounged up before the vendors went away. Went to rocket vendor, selected cn rocket mod, selected purchase with resources ( not doing bits again... for sure.) And then waited to see which mod would totally randomly drop for me.
I am now the proud owner of yet another totally random t5 guided rocket sight which does not fit on mass cannon.

I am off to work and wont be back on until after contract reset. I do not think i will miss these gulanee snake oil salesmen.

Have a nice day all. ☺

Light Energy
12-01-2017, 04:59 AM
I managed to get another 5200 pg scrounged up before the vendors went away. Went to rocket vendor, selected cn rocket mod, selected purchase with resources ( not doing bits again... for sure.) And then waited to see which mod would totally randomly drop for me.
I am now the proud owner of yet another totally random t5 guided rocket sight which does not fit on mass cannon.:( I would have loved to have been able to test these Iron Demon vendors on PTS (with the PG supply crates I asked for back in May)...just to see the spread of mods obtained.

Considering a few friends and myself got 7 guided rocket sights (http://forums.defiance.com/showthread.php?285530-Is-this-a-joke&p=2060841&viewfull=1#post2060841) from 9 Hot Streak rocket launcher mod caches...perhaps Trion wanted to make sure that people getting GRLs were able to mod them...and somehow the weighting went awry.

As a friend said...it would have helped a little if these T5 sight mods were suitable for both GRLs and normal RLs.

shawn4511
12-01-2017, 05:36 AM
I had the same issue 3 sledge arms in a row then a det fast action reloaded lmfao the only good mods I got from this event were the ones I bought off other players it does feel like it’s being done on purpose tho you get the same garbage over n over yuck!!!!

Kedarthebest
12-01-2017, 06:20 AM
This has been suggested in another thread but keeping the vendors at IDR would be nice and they need some tweaking done to them....

richardkrainium
12-01-2017, 08:04 AM
pulled 3 spanner protectors. was hoping for atleast 1 stingray

ratpie
12-01-2017, 08:07 AM
for REAL moneyb we should be able to pick the mid we want also dont know why the removed guns were readded to the pool. got a vanguard as well.

Johnny Dbag
12-01-2017, 09:31 AM
I am around 1 for 10 in CN pistol crates as far as pulling mass blasters. Pulled multiple of other types of pistols, sure, why not, but only 1 mass blaster.

jay ellis
12-01-2017, 09:44 AM
PUT ON YOUR TINFOIL HATS, IT"S CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME!!!

There has been a long standing theory on the rng is this game. This is based off player observations, notes and record keeping. The devs have denied this in the past, but they are not the devs who wrote the rng code, so the theory persists.
Warning..... Life altering "truths" are ahead.....

When you open a box your items are not random. The computer wants to find balance. It knows whats out in everyone's inventories. It balances the loot by selecting items that there are less off.
So, black friday boxes come out. Day one, people are pulling jackpot items and keeping them. They are pulling crap tachyon aa shields and vendering them. As more boxes are opened, more "good stuff" is kept and more crap is returned. Eventually, there is a MUCH higher chance of you getting crap.
How many times have you seen "good stuff" drop early in an event and crap drop later? People have kept all the DMG barrels and vendered all the radius and min dmg barrels. That's why you got seven of them, BALANCE.
Remember when Obi Wan was pissed because Anakin was supposed to bring balance to the force? Here's the thing Obi Wan didn't understand, Anakin DID balance the force by killing all the Jedi who there were many more of, thus BALANCE.

Kedarthebest
12-01-2017, 12:00 PM
PUT ON YOUR TINFOIL HATS, IT"S CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME!!!

There has been a long standing theory on the rng is this game. This is based off player observations, notes and record keeping. The devs have denied this in the past, but they are not the devs who wrote the rng code, so the theory persists.
Warning..... Life altering "truths" are ahead.....

When you open a box your items are not random. The computer wants to find balance. It knows whats out in everyone's inventories. It balances the loot by selecting items that there are less off.
So, black friday boxes come out. Day one, people are pulling jackpot items and keeping them. They are pulling crap tachyon aa shields and vendering them. As more boxes are opened, more "good stuff" is kept and more crap is returned. Eventually, there is a MUCH higher chance of you getting crap.
How many times have you seen "good stuff" drop early in an event and crap drop later? People have kept all the DMG barrels and vendered all the radius and min dmg barrels. That's why you got seven of them, BALANCE.
Remember when Obi Wan was pissed because Anakin was supposed to bring balance to the force? Here's the thing Obi Wan didn't understand, Anakin DID balance the force by killing all the Jedi who there were many more of, thus BALANCE.

That's....that's cool and all but No that's not it I think they need to tweak these vendors. Yea your theory is cool and all but mehh.

jay ellis
12-01-2017, 01:05 PM
That's....that's cool and all but No that's not it I think they need to tweak these vendors. Yea your theory is cool and all but mehh.

Yeah, I'm probably wrong.
On a related note, how much are you willing to pay for that det mod? I think I have two of them ( I pulled my boxes on the first day) ;)

final rest
12-01-2017, 02:48 PM
*Ahem* before i go on a rant let me just think about how can this be better.....okay so me and the people I traded with open a bunch of ID det mod crates....soo hmm 7 radius barrels,2 min dmg barrels, 4 det stocks, 1 reload mag and 3 sights........7 radius barrel....s...e...v...e....n.......7 as in 1234567.....7.....ahem....what in the hell is this....Don't say oh well this is balanced rng or say ohh maybe you got bad luck or say OH YOUR NOT GOOD...Noooo this is not okay!!! 7 radius barrels!? Really!!???? Omg this isn't even rng...this is garbage or whatever the hell this is. Im so baffled by this like am I doing this wrong or am I just stupid or what? Tell me what am I doing wrong... Cause what in the hell.....Literally been doing PG trades this week with people cause I can't farm PG cause I got school and I gotta babysit after sometimes.... Literally paid people even for the bad mods cause im not that type of guy to say "oh you got a bad mod well nope no pay" no no this is crap at it's finest.....I have never been this frustrated over a game it's like I want this game to do better but It just doesn't....bet if I played destiny 2 right now i would be drop 5 exotics and get guns I need without trying to spend 100$ or 25mil+ in scrip for weapons and crap...There has to be a fix for this cause the rng is weighted to garbage mods that people DON'T WANT. Imagine getting 6 AR melee stocks back to back or 6 vanguard damn rifles back to back....what the hell am I doing wrong please someone tell me?

More crying over paid for RNG... *YAWN*

Johnny Dbag
12-01-2017, 02:58 PM
.......Imagine getting 6 AR melee stocks back to back or 6 vanguard damn rifles back to back....what the hell am I doing wrong please someone tell me?
I don't have to imagine that. I have 9 CN pistols that I do not really care for.

arms are heavy
12-01-2017, 03:16 PM
Come on kedar you've been playing for long enough to know what happens when you buy RNG boxes in defiance. Yet you're acting as if you had no idea about what was going to happen?

Kedarthebest
12-01-2017, 03:25 PM
Come on kedar you've been playing for long enough to know what happens when you buy RNG boxes in defiance. Yet you're acting as if you had no idea about what was going to happen?

Ya know what? You got a damn point too but damn this frustrating as hell....I wanna see this game do better but....this crap happens. It's like a big slap to the face every box i got a radius barrel in.

Johnny Gatt
12-01-2017, 03:35 PM
Come on kedar you've been playing for long enough to know what happens when you buy RNG boxes in defiance. Yet you're acting as if you had no idea about what was going to happen?

I can understand the weapons pool as far as rng goes. There are a lot of weapons out there even when narrowed down by category. It sucks that everyone wants a mass blaster but draws from other weapons in pool instead.

The point that kedar was making is that the mod vendors, with many fewer items in loot pool, were obviously over-weighted to drop the least desired mods. He had issues with det mods. I had the same issue with rocket mods as well as another forum member. I am sure that people who spent similar amounts of pg on ar or pistol mod vendors experienced the same.

We all know that every box is a gamble.... The way that the mod vendor drops were weighted however, shows how heavy the least desired items are likely to drop.

Decoy303
12-01-2017, 09:15 PM
I had one goal. T5 my Chrysalis. I spent of per mod five times and was fortunate enough to T5 it. Let's face it. You all attempted to get OP weapons and trying was willing to see if you would break the bank to get to them. Trust me. I know. When PI came out I spent $150 just to attempt to get a perfected pi syphon canker. Guess what? I pulled zero cankers and a bunch of crap weapons and two nice brs but brs do **** in PvP now so who cares. But I was overly disheartened that I pulled zero nano cankers. Zilch! So I'm not surprised by your conundrum and frustration.

Valani
12-02-2017, 10:55 PM
Guided Rocket Launcher mods consistently pop up like mosquito bites. Can't help but feel like they're catering to the Guided Rocket Launcher gang.