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Castles
04-10-2013, 07:19 AM
Trion please add a language filter, and clean up some of the dialog in the story line! the kids are liking the action and watching me play, but too many random Fbombs and such makes it so i have to turn off the voice and subtitles when they are watching.

no need for language and suggestive comments from NPCs.

Jammylambo
04-10-2013, 07:24 AM
hate to be a butthole , but this game is rated at 18+ . therefore really its upt to you as a parent to determine whether is appropriate or not to allow your kids to watch you play , not the developer.

Ikagawa
04-10-2013, 07:25 AM
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Doowi
04-10-2013, 07:26 AM
I have to back up Jammylambo here, the game is rated as 18+, so you should be playing it when your children are not around, especially for the language contained in the game and some of the scenes (like the first co-op with the final boss).

You can always wear a pair of headphones, if you wish to avoid them hearing what is being said ingame.

Shima
04-10-2013, 07:26 AM
But I'm sure your kids are ok with the exploding heads from sniper kills :P

KodiakX
04-10-2013, 07:27 AM
I wish they'd remove the filters from chat and the forums, too.

Ikagawa
04-10-2013, 07:28 AM
But I'm sure your kids are ok with the exploding heads from sniper kills :P

It's always that goofy double standard with people. Extreme violence? Absolutely fine. Vulgar language or nudity? HELL NO!

TearsInRain
04-10-2013, 07:31 AM
Trion please add a language filter, and clean up some of the dialog in the story line! the kids are liking the action and watching me play, but too many random Fbombs and such makes it so i have to turn off the voice and subtitles when they are watching.

no need for language and suggestive comments from NPCs.

Well I won't argue whether the NPCs in this game "need" to use harsh language or suggestive comments other than to say the game's setting seems to make those things pretty likely, or at the very least completely unsurprising. Regardless I wouldn't be opposed to seeing a filter added to this game, even if I'd never use it myself.

Niurok
04-10-2013, 07:36 AM
Well if the tv series is anything like Lost Girl, sex and language meh I'm kool with it.

dreadburn
04-10-2013, 07:37 AM
It's always that goofy double standard with people. Extreme violence? Absolutely fine. Vulgar language or nudity? HELL NO!

Oddly it's a bit different in the UK imo, nobody minds some boobs on show or some swearing but extreme violence is a no go.

Something similar happened when TERA was released

https://forum.tera-europe.com/showthread.php?t=62140


Originally Posted by Raven
Hello everyone,

With the new client build, some changes related to the level of detail for blood in TERA have been applied. The slider to adjust this value was removed with the new client build. This step was sadly necessary due to some changes which were introduced in the latest content update for TERA, which increased the amount of blood on certain details. Thus, we faced an issue with our current age rating which is 12+ for Europe.

Therefore, it was necessary to remove the level of detail slider for the blood aspect in TERA and set this to a fixed value. You’ll still see blood in TERA, but the amount of blood will be reduced and won’t stay on the ground. Also some minor effects like blood splatters against the screen will be replaced by another effect. Please be aware that we were already producing the box and pre-selling copies of the game with the active rating of 12+, so this was the only possible solution at this point.

We’re sorry to inform you about this now and not when the OBT patch notes were released, but the situation occurred with the latest additions to TERA and this are the reason why we needed to remove the slider for the blood factor and set it to a fixed value.

*Please note this change might not be active for some players who just used the EN client at this point, but it will be active before the release for everyone."

So scantily clad females are ok but a bit of blood on screen is bad. The EU did get a lower age rating than the US.

Just realised this might not be relevant but will post it anyway ;)

TearsInRain
04-10-2013, 07:38 AM
It's always that goofy double standard with people. Extreme violence? Absolutely fine. Vulgar language or nudity? HELL NO!

North America -> Extreme violence? Check! Vulgar language or nudity? HELL NO!
Europe -> Mild nudity and mild language? Check! Extreme violence? HELL NO!

Frankly I've always thought we've had our priorities a little screwed up. ;)

Shima
04-10-2013, 07:39 AM
No that is somewhat relevant as it's obviously cultural taboos that differ by region. I live in the US but don't mind pointing out the hypocrisy of being offended by one but being fine with the other :P

In general though I'm ok with filters, as long as they don't remove parts of the game that are already in. I laugh my head off when a npc drops the F-bomb because his rocket missed me.

dreadburn
04-10-2013, 07:47 AM
just remembered a thread from a while back on a similar subject

Is this game safe for kids? (http://forums.defiance.com/showthread.php?10706-Is-this-game-safe-for-kids&highlight=game+young+children)

dirtyklingon
04-10-2013, 08:08 AM
it's rated M for mature. pegi18+ in europe.

if you have kids around and don't want them to hear the bad words, go play something else like little big planet or bejeweled blitz.

Reverend Blood
04-10-2013, 08:10 AM
Dang it Trion... Raise this man's children for him. Stop being so lazy. Gosh.

routalouk
04-10-2013, 08:33 AM
i find it funny npcs can use vulgar language but when i try to type it i get censored

Migrayne
04-10-2013, 08:36 AM
Trion please add a language filter, and clean up some of the dialog in the story line! the kids are liking the action and watching me play, but too many random Fbombs and such makes it so i have to turn off the voice and subtitles when they are watching.

no need for language and suggestive comments from NPCs.

I dont want to monitor what my kids watch, hear, and play. I want everyone else to adjust for my kids.


Seriously its an 18+ game. Use headphones or don't play when your kids are their. My 7yr old likes to see me play some so I wear headphones and only let him see me drive around or shoot skitterlings. I don't let him see the headshots or hear the game at all. I play when he is asleep.

Take controll of what your kids see. Don't expect every game or show to adapt to you and ruin the mature game the rest of use adults want to play.

Jammylambo
04-10-2013, 08:38 AM
Dang it Trion... Raise this man's children for him. Stop being so lazy. Gosh.

now now , let them fix the falling under the map bug first dude. PRIORITIES! :p

Shismar
04-10-2013, 08:39 AM
Shooters are not for children. If some bad language prevents them from playing, I am fine with that. 16+ I see no issues with either.

Rudal
04-10-2013, 08:46 AM
hate to be a butthole , but this game is rated at 18+ . therefore really its upt to you as a parent to determine whether is appropriate or not to allow your kids to watch you play , not the developer.

This ^ .

Grizzly
04-10-2013, 08:51 AM
OP made my day

Negi
04-10-2013, 08:56 AM
Let me get this straight. having your kids listen to NPC's saying "bad words" is somthing you dont want. but you let them watch you shot people's faces off.

Mourneblade
04-10-2013, 10:27 AM
Trion please add a language filter, and clean up some of the dialog in the story line! the kids are liking the action and watching me play, but too many random Fbombs and such makes it so i have to turn off the voice and subtitles when they are watching.

no need for language and suggestive comments from NPCs.

It's parenting like this that fuels the media video game hatred we see so prevalent in the US right now.

If PARENTS would take responsibility for the entertainment and media they allow their children to consume and actually paid attention to game and movie ratings before buying, perhaps we wouldn't have these huge issues of whether or not adult content damages a child's developing psyche.

To any and all parents who refuse to govern or restrict what your kids have access to and then complain about ADULT THEMES IN ADULT GAMES AND MOVIES, I say this: Get a grip, learn to be a parent, and stop buying every thing your child asks for without doing any research on the subject matter beforehand, but most of all, STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT ADULT CONTENT BEING UNSUITABLE FOR YOUR CHILDREN IN ADULT THEMED MEDIA! The game is rated M-Mature for a frakking reason!

To the OP: Stop being a terrible parent and expecting the developers to water down content specifically for your children. Stop buying your children violent, mature games that are CLEARLY designed for adults. Defiance is not a family game to play with your kids, stop treating as such.

This request is like buying a porno to watch with your children, and then calling up the movie producer and asking them to re-shoot the porno with less adult content because your kids really enjoy the story and acting, but shouldn't have to hear verbal vulgarity or see people engaged in explicit sexual activities. SERIOUSLY?!

sneakerz
04-10-2013, 10:38 AM
What i don't get is if the game is 18+ and there is profanity and nudity in the game, why is our chat filtered. SMH. Go figure..

Truhls
04-10-2013, 10:45 AM
It's always that goofy double standard with people. Extreme violence? Absolutely fine. Vulgar language or nudity? HELL NO!

Yep, teaching your kid how to be a hypocrite and being a bad parent 101. Violence is always fine, but he said ****? OMG SAVE THE CHILDREN!

Racheakt
04-10-2013, 11:22 AM
Let me preface what I am going to say with this: I am loving the game, I understand the rating on the game, I play with a headset, no I do not let my kid play the game.

About excessive swearing in a game (or movie for that matter): I always feel like it is a cop-out from a dialogue perspective; for example the overt "swears" don't stick with me as much witty repartee. IMHO "Big Bang Theory" is way better than "Two and a Half Men" even though both are largely about someone tying to get laid. In this game I like the lines like the cheesy one in the instance where the greedy little guy pops out of the tunnel and implies his masseuse is a "tight fit" rather than some vulgarity.

On a side note I was playing "Fallout III" and didn't realize my daughter was in the room, and when I got to the "lottery winner" who said the f-word every other word (unexpectedly), I heard my kid gasp --"he said a dirty word!!!", my wife raised her voice -- "what are you playing?" -- I scrambled for the mute button, the remote fell and slid under the couch, so I shot the swearing "lottery winner" in the head to shut him up, looked at my stunned kid and she asked "why did you shoot him?"; I said "swearing is bad".

... My wife of course was not amused, I ended up on the couch.....

NakedApe
04-10-2013, 11:32 AM
hate to be a butthole , but this game is rated at 18+ . therefore really its upt to you as a parent to determine whether is appropriate or not to allow your kids to watch you play , not the developer.

Yup. I mean, the OP worries about profanity, but isnt concerned about mowing down dozens of human(ish) targets with automatic weapon fire ...

OP, send your kids away when you enjoy adult entertainment. Problem Solved.

Thorbrand
04-10-2013, 11:36 AM
Why would anyone say no to allowing a language filter? It doesn't affect anyone else's game play. I won't use it but if her kids are watching it maybe she needs one or maybe don't let the kids watch it since it is 18+ but there is no nudity so WTF bring the kids into the game.

Munx
04-10-2013, 11:37 AM
Must say I am amused at how many people took the bait, good job mister troll :)

DustOfDeath
04-10-2013, 11:41 AM
Really... worried about few bad words? You should hear how they talk in school then lol.

School is the main source of it all even if you dont let them ehar any at home.

Arisilde
04-10-2013, 12:15 PM
Let me preface what I am going to say with this: I am loving the game, I understand the rating on the game, I play with a headset, no I do not let my kid play the game.

About excessive swearing in a game (or movie for that matter): I always feel like it is a cop-out from a dialogue perspective; for example the overt "swears" don't stick with me as much witty repartee. IMHO "Big Bang Theory" is way better than "Two and a Half Men" even though both are largely about someone tying to get laid. In this game I like the lines like the cheesy one in the instance where the greedy little guy pops out of the tunnel and implies his masseuse is a "tight fit" rather than some vulgarity.

On a side note I was playing "Fallout III" and didn't realize my daughter was in the room, and when I got to the "lottery winner" who said the f-word every other word (unexpectedly), I heard my kid gasp --"he said a dirty word!!!", my wife raised her voice -- "what are you playing?" -- I scrambled for the mute button, the remote fell and slid under the couch, so I shot the swearing "lottery winner" in the head to shut him up, looked at my stunned kid and she asked "why did you shoot him?"; I said "swearing is bad".

... My wife of course was not amused, I ended up on the couch.....

Best story ever...
On a side note, I don't get how men let a woman kick them out of bed. Couch? Only by choice man...

Racheakt
04-10-2013, 12:18 PM
Best story ever...
On a side note, I don't get how men let a woman kick them out of bed. Couch? Only by choice man...

It is more of a "i'll let her have that one" besides I just picked up FO3... I wanted to play.

Valethar
04-10-2013, 12:23 PM
But I'm sure your kids are ok with the exploding heads from sniper kills :P

Or Tom & Jerry setting each other on fire, punching each other in the face, etc.. Wile E. Coyote getting blown up by dynamite. Optimus Prime stabbing Megatron with his sword arm.

Or the kids at school dropping the F bomb, etc...

BattleTested
04-10-2013, 12:27 PM
kids will learn swear words anyhow in life posts like these on all the games i have played for over 15 years are a joke. what parents should really teach there kids its not ok to become pregnant at age 16.

Arsenic_Touch
04-10-2013, 12:29 PM
While it is an obvious troll, it does illustrate the inconsistencies with the game. There is a language filter that even censors the word arse while npcs can drop f bombs with no ability to censor it.

You can shoot someone's head off and blood spurts out, but a little bit of language is a problem.
You can set someone on fire, they run screaming, but a little bit of language is the devil.
It's inconsistent and hypocritical but that's the times we live in, where the internet is becoming more and more coddled.

Oh and OP, if you want cleavage, there are some outfits that show some skin. :p

Mourneblade
04-10-2013, 12:32 PM
Why would anyone say no to allowing a language filter? It doesn't affect anyone else's game play. I won't use it but if her kids are watching it maybe she needs one or maybe don't let the kids watch it since it is 18+ but there is no nudity so WTF bring the kids into the game.

It's not about "if" Trion should include a language/dialogue filter, it's about "why" they should or should not. I'm all for user options and the ability to customize one's gameplay and experience. If you'd rather hear a *beep* every time someone drops the F-bomb, you should have that option.

However, asking for a filter on a Mature rated game for the sake of children is wrong and bad parenting, when this game was NOT intended for immature audiences (ie. children and immature adults).

Every parent should take responsibility for the entertainment their children consume, and if a parent feels that their child is mature and well balanced enough to handle Defiance's subject matter, it is that parent's discretion, however parents of children who aren't ready for adult themes shouldn't still allow their children access and then complain that there is no built in PG button.

IMHO this game is not meant for kids under 16, regardless of the fact that there is no nudity, and the fact that you think nudity is the ONLY reason to not allow a child to play a game like Defiance says quite a bit about your parenting philosophy and priorities, which is to say they aren't good.

I would be less up in arms about mild language and brief nudity than extreme violence and gore, since a nip slip never killed a person, but a shotgun blast to the head certainly will. I have a 4 month old daughter, and I can honestly say that I will be less likely to expose her to extremely violent media than the occasional curse word or brief and minor nudity.

eklipse
04-10-2013, 12:46 PM
I like the language, really. It adds to the atmosphere. The game is rated appropriately.

And as for children, I guarantee they hear more bad language at school or from your relatives in a day than what they might overhear while you're playing the game without headphones. You just tell them not to repeat it. My child doesn't, at least not within earshot of me.

They all learn all the words anyway, in English and in other languages...

jnt
04-10-2013, 12:48 PM
This is nothing new. At least Trion forum mods don't ban for cursing. BF3 always made me laugh because the npcs never stop cursing but EA would ban people for cursing on the forums.

Voodeux
04-10-2013, 12:50 PM
hate to be a butthole , but this game is rated at 18+ . therefore really its upt to you as a parent to determine whether is appropriate or not to allow your kids to watch you play , not the developer.

+1 to you good sir.

Hawkler
04-10-2013, 12:54 PM
I have a five year old in the room quite often when I'm playing. I use headphones to prevent her from hearing anything in game.

Embril
04-10-2013, 01:21 PM
hate to be a butthole , but this game is rated at 18+ . therefore really its upt to you as a parent to determine whether is appropriate or not to allow your kids to watch you play , not the developer.

This pretty much covers it.

I do think it's odd that the game has as much overt language as it does, though, considering it's tied in to a TV show that won't have it. They have these creative words like shtako so that they can use them on TV, but then in the game they'll wind up using both that and actual bad language in the same sentence.

Cyan
04-10-2013, 01:45 PM
I have a five year old in the room quite often when I'm playing. I use headphones to prevent her from hearing anything in game.

But its quiet alright for her to see you shoot people, blow people up and blow their heads off, dropping to the ground while the blood poors from the neck?

NOTE: I dont care either way, people are free to raise and do whatever they want with their children, aslong as its legal.

Ikagawa
04-10-2013, 02:04 PM
Why would anyone say no to allowing a language filter? It doesn't affect anyone else's game play. I won't use it but if her kids are watching it maybe she needs one or maybe don't let the kids watch it since it is 18+ but there is no nudity so WTF bring the kids into the game.

The OP has all the tools at their disposal to filter the game for her kids. Trion doesn't need to design one.

JBoneFX
04-10-2013, 02:10 PM
My favorite line of the whole story would have been omited... What in the *** .... was that?

djin
04-10-2013, 02:19 PM
I know, let's replace the bad words with the word kitten and puppies and replace blood with rainbow paint. This will make the game suitable for children of all ages!

Coraline
04-10-2013, 02:21 PM
I honestly heard like two maybe three curses in my 50 hours of playing. They are barely noticeable. As other said it is up to you as a parent to filter your children from a M rated game.

Snowranger19
04-10-2013, 02:53 PM
You could let you kids hear it and teach them its wrong to talk such a way. Then when they hear it in the real world they won't be so surprised....

Unless your going to get ear implants for him that filter out language in the real world.

Ikagawa
04-10-2013, 02:54 PM
You could let you kids hear it and teach them its wrong to talk such a way. Then when they hear it in the real world they won't be so surprised....

Unless your going to get ear implants for him that filter out language in the real world.

She's going to walk around with her hands on his head screaming "LALALALALALALALALALALALALALA!"

Neokro
04-10-2013, 02:56 PM
Trion please add a language filter, and clean up some of the dialog in the story line! the kids are liking the action and watching me play, but too many random Fbombs and such makes it so i have to turn off the voice and subtitles when they are watching.

no need for language and suggestive comments from NPCs.

Hmmm lets see..

No,
No,
Also, No.


I was really pleased to see bad language, its about time a video game set in an almost apocalypse world had some ****ing swearing, I really hate how so many video games out there don't include it

Snowranger19
04-10-2013, 03:03 PM
"Are those raiders cussing and shooting at you, daddy?"

"No.. they are talking about the Kardashians and having pie"

Saye
04-10-2013, 03:12 PM
As people have said the game is meant for 18+ If you don't want your kids to hear the bad language then play with headphones on. If they can read, turn subtitles off. If you want to allow them to watch you play or play themselves, get over the language and deal. I'm sure they hear a whole lot worse in the real world all around them. And if you are allowing them to watch things be shot and killed in a game how horrible a thing is the language really?

However I do think they need a filter for the broken chat. How come NPC's can cuss but we can't?!? Then again it is a broken chat atm so I suppose it doesn't make a whole lot of difference...

Mavor
04-10-2013, 03:15 PM
Seriously, we have a rating system for a reason - use it! If you decide to experience media that has offensive material in it - all the while KNOWING it does due to its rating - you have no one to blame but yourself if you dont heed the warning.

dreadburn
04-10-2013, 04:21 PM
Oh and OP, if you want cleavage, there are some outfits that show some skin. :p

Gulanite miner

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m602/dreadburn/defianceboobs_zps50404cc6.png

jnt
04-10-2013, 04:47 PM
"Are those raiders cussing and shooting at you, daddy?"

"No.. they are talking about the Kardashians and having pie"

The Kardashians are not for kids.