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Dradiin
04-11-2013, 07:02 AM
A few things not in game that really make me scratch my head. I am not hugely dedicated to the game, so maybe some of these are in the game but i have just missed them ?

---No stash/vault/bank--- For that matter no way to share between characters, yes i know this game is not very alt friendly but my daughter likes to play the same MMOs as i do and i like to help her with items/in-game cash.

---No mailing---

---Lack of global chat--- Sure there is a vocal group of players that like this, but i really feel this game is just even more empty than GW2, no global chat removes even more social interaction, put it in game and make it so those who do not want it able to switch it off.

---Auction House ?--- Is there one that i don't know of seems rather odd that there is not one.

---Cover system--- Why make a 3rd person shooter and not even have a rudimentary cover system ?

---Bag sorting--- The way the inventory is handled is just bizzar, why not allow us to organize the inventory how we want it ?

---Crafting--- Is gun modding supposed to be Defiance version of crafting ? If so, it is very shallow and not very far reaching.

Anyhow, i am sure i will get flamed for asking, wanting, whining (whatever i will be labeled as), even thinking, but it just seems like such a shallow release for a Trion game. Compare this to Rift and you just have to shake your head as to why it was not just released as a 3rd person shooter and removed anything to do with MMO's.

While i like this game, i just wish there was so much more to it, if it was in development for 5 years, what did they do with the time ?

Oh well, bring on the white knight flames, i am used to it when i question illogical things.

Schwa
04-11-2013, 07:05 AM
Considering how the game was in development for 5 years, I think 3 of those years were spent in Big Important Meetings figuring out "What is Defiance?" with SyFy.

Technodude
04-11-2013, 07:07 AM
I can tell you typical replies you gonna get.

it is not a MMO (even though Trion says it is a MMO) so no need of bank/stash/mail/auction house. Even Borderland had stash feature. That or some guy will just blame it all on lore.

hardy83
04-11-2013, 07:08 AM
You can keep increasing your bag space, there's no need for a bank.

Mailing would be useful I suppose, wouldn't hurt to let people use the APS to mail to alts or friends.

Not opposed to global chat.

No need for an AH. Look what it did to Diablo 3. An AH might defeat the purpose of the game.

Cover system? No. Play 360 shooters if you want that.

You CAN sort your bags.

I don't see the need for crafting. The mod system is basically crafting.

Bobbyieboy
04-11-2013, 07:11 AM
The game does have a trade system and you can trade items and money scribs only that i can tell.


Bank of some kind would be nice but nope.

No mailing don't care given you can instaltny get to another player on your friends list or in your group to trade.

Auction is not needed it's a fps first, i don't see one in other fps

Most fps games don't have a cover system so this really does not matter here.

Inventory is fine i don't see a issue with it.

you don't have crafting in other fps games so it's not different here.

Overall all it's a FPS first and a MMO second. that being said people are thinking it's a mmorpg or a mmofps and it's not. 75% or so comes from the fps world with some elements of the mmo world. Understanding the difference would help to better understand what to expect in the game.

Tex Longhorn
04-11-2013, 07:11 AM
I enjoy my time in-game, but you're asking all the questions I've been asking myself since I started.

I can forgive the lack of an Auction House/Broker and an under-developed-at-launch "crafting/modding". That's not a huge deal for a game like this ... but the chat/social/LFG "system" we've got is just so phenomenally sub-par that it's almost embarrassing.

And I get the whole "no banks" in this world, but even in the 14-minute promo clip, it shows the character digging a hole to stash his arc-tech. I'm pretty sure my character has hands and explosives ... why can't a dig a spot to stash this extra gear?

Dradiin
04-11-2013, 07:14 AM
You can keep increasing your bag space, there's no need for a bank.

Mailing would be useful I suppose, wouldn't hurt to let people use the APS to mail to alts or friends.

Not opposed to global chat.

No need for an AH. Look what it did to Diablo 3. An AH might defeat the purpose of the game.

Cover system? No. Play 360 shooters if you want that.

You CAN sort your bags.

I don't see the need for crafting. The mod system is basically crafting.

Wait when i say auction house i am not talking about the craptastic AH that D3 had, i just wanted a place to sell items to other players using "INGAME" currency.

How would having a cover system hurt the game play ? I am not playing on a console, i just think it makes sense in a game where there is no serious melee and its all shooting.

Oh well i guess pithy or knee jerk comments are he best i can get from some people.

Technodude
04-11-2013, 07:24 AM
Wait when i say auction house i am not talking about the craptastic AH that D3 had, i just wanted a place to sell items to other players using "INGAME" currency.

How would having a cover system hurt the game play ? I am not playing on a console, i just think it makes sense in a game where there is no serious melee and its all shooting.

Oh well i guess pithy or knee jerk comments are he best i can get from some people.

I told ya ;)

Wait for the token 'LORE GUY'. He will be making appearance soon too.

loken
04-11-2013, 07:29 AM
id love a Harley to ride around while busting raiders

hardy83
04-11-2013, 07:31 AM
Wait when i say auction house i am not talking about the craptastic AH that D3 had, i just wanted a place to sell items to other players using "INGAME" currency.

How would having a cover system hurt the game play ? I am not playing on a console, i just think it makes sense in a game where there is no serious melee and its all shooting.

Oh well i guess pithy or knee jerk comments are he best i can get from some people.

I wasn't referring to the cash AH for Diablo 3. I was referring to the one that used in-game currency.
When I played D3 with my GF all we did was get gear from the gold AH cause it was better than all the drops we were getting. It defeated the whole purpose of the game, which is to get tons of loot and slowly upgrade your toon.

I wouldn't oppose an AH if it was just mods or something, but I would oppose one that would sell weapons/shields/grenades.

Fuzzy Skinner
04-11-2013, 07:32 AM
Um, you have a duck button and there objects to hide behind, to me that's a cover system. I hate games (like Uncharted) that cause you to "stick" to the cover and become more of a hassle than anything.

cfStatic
04-11-2013, 07:36 AM
I can tell you typical replies you gonna get.

it is not a MMO (even though Trion says it is a MMO) so no need of bank/stash/mail/auction house. Even Borderland had stash feature. That or some guy will just blame it all on lore.

Oh for the love of.. Please link me to someone who said this isn't an MMO so I can promptly text punch them in the face. MMO=/=MMORPG though, I'll bite there.


@OP:

I agree with you. But we get more inventory as we go up in EGO, and since inventory expansion is in the cash shop, they're.... banking(YEEEEAAAAHHHHHH) on people purchasing them.

Auction house would be cool, but I don't think it's absolutely needed either.

If the Salvage Matrix were to be considered as such(a crafting system), it would be nothing but the most bare bones of one. I think it's better to just not look at it that way and take it for what it is. A place to mod your weapons or break them down.

A mail system would be nice as well, just code in the option to the APS drop boxes that are located everywhere.

rhodezie
04-11-2013, 07:38 AM
Considering how the game was in development for 5 years, I think 3 of those years were spent in Big Important Meetings figuring out "What is Defiance?" with SyFy.

thats funny your saying it was in dev for 5 yrs ive seen ppl saying 2 years and 3 years so whos right or wrong

Technodude
04-11-2013, 07:39 AM
thats funny your saying it was in dev for 5 yrs ive seen ppl saying 2 years and 3 years so whos right or wrong

Nathan was who said they have been working on Defiance for 5 years.

hardy83
04-11-2013, 07:41 AM
thats funny your saying it was in dev for 5 yrs ive seen ppl saying 2 years and 3 years so whos right or wrong

Most games take around 4-5 years to make, but that includes conceptual stages as well as the business side (figuring out budget, release date etc), people seem to think that the 4-5 years is ACTUAL development time, when it's really only 2-3.
Even games like CoD take longer than a year to make. It's just their conceptual stages and development overlap because it's usually two or three developers managing the games.

Buruko
04-11-2013, 07:54 AM
I guess we can blame WoW for the expectations that anything deemed MMO has to have everything it has or it can't possibly be an MMO too, but that is a topic long already beat to death.

Sticky cover is something you see typically in single player games or games with limited player numbers, it requires a lot planning on a map or area to make it work and rarely has any game made it work well. Using crouch and objects in the game world you can devise cover pretty efficiently.

I would like to see a clan storage system over a individual bank, as a weapon gets maxed out you could vault it for another player to use, a clan armory if you will. This would eliminate storage issues (haven't and those myself) and dissolve a need for an AH as you could pass on weapons instead of vendoring or breaking them down.

I really can't see a point to an AH, it merely creates a method inflation on the economy and is used as a stop gap for items versus seeking out players and/or clans for assistance. I would rather see elements that drive more community interaction than say a quickie loot fix that most new comers would be locked out of due to inflated prices.

You can trade in game not sure how that is done in PC but you can.

Schwa
04-11-2013, 07:56 AM
I guess we can blame WoW for the expectations that anything deemed MMO has to have everything it has or it can't possibly be an MMO too, but that is a topic long already beat to death.


Rift is the game you're looking to blame. People came to expect a certain level of polish from Trion after its last release, but Defiance has failed to match its sibling in almost every respect.

Evilution
04-11-2013, 08:13 AM
I would like to see a town or a city added to game, it could have specialist vendors for separate weapons like a handgun vendor, machine gun vendor, grenade vendor, shield vendor, vehicles etc. Even mod vendors and ones that fit around these synergies were getting but no mods to match :( Also places like a barbers to change appearance, apparel shops and other things that add slight customisations and changing of races for in game fees.

EDIT- misread title, thought it was what you would like to see added, not what was not added and you expected to be included :p