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Tabulator
11-13-2012, 06:02 AM
How can the game have influence on the TV show when it will be released for the platforms, xbox, PC and PS3 but no cross-platforming is planned?
In that case I guess there will be two platforms, who are missing a feature...
Any thoughts?

Kalbuir
11-13-2012, 06:41 AM
Hey welcome to the forums!

I think you need to look broader than platforms, even if there are 3 separate platforms there will also be separate servers per platforms. Look at it this way (examples), at the end of season 1 in TV series a major event happens this event will impact the game with a content update. Giving you access to new content related to what happened in the series.

Now the other way around, you meet character x from the PC game, lets call him John. John is a fairly common character in the game but up until the major event had no reason to come into the series. AS players help John with the content after the season 1 content they provide him a reason to go to the town of Defiance (in the series in Season 2).

While I wouldn't exclude players have actually options to choose I would at this point (with very little specific knowledge) not speculate on this. One way I can see it going is provide player base with options, and the most picked option impacts the TV series. I personally dont see this working out but who knows.

So to sum it up you need to see it as this:
- TV Series and Game start at the same time with the same content.
- TV Series has the final and something happens, this something impacts the content in the game.
- The game continues, players play the content.
- Start of season 2, the conclusion of the game content is likely to be a starting point of the TV SEries.

Now you can't go too far with this, because you want to keep it understandable for none gamers, or gamers who don't watch the TV series. See it as two types of media living and more importantly evolving in the same universe.

Darktide
11-13-2012, 07:58 AM
i still think the whole idea is amazing. will be very interesting to see how the whole thing plays out.

Shadinaxx
11-13-2012, 08:15 AM
I think what Tabulator is getting at is this:

If there are 3 platforms that are unable to interact (we'll avoid the seperate servers within those), and something like the season finale happens where an event is presented with an escalated scenario, and the PC players ace every turn of events, the ps3 players choose a differant way to complete the event, and the Xbox players choose yet a 3rd way to get through the events; How will the community feel involved if only 1 series of events is chosen to help pilot the next season?

I hope I didnt lose anyone with the "if's" lol. However, I think the answer is going to be simple: Excellent writing makes it all possible to "blend" the experiances. Think of it this way: We here on the PC servers are in the San Fransisco area, and we know of the existance of the PS3 and Xbox people, but we cant ever find em, so our monumental encounter would just not be an isolated event, even if it changes the entire zone. So while 3-however many servers (pc, ps3 or Xbox) fail the event entireally, the servers that complete the events can be viewed as a large front line defense campaign.

This can be done and explained with smaller scenarios as well. Escort campaigns can be explained in that it's not just any single person (even if it's explained in game that you must escort Nolan and a dozen servers fail), but a team dignitaries, or demolitionists, etc.

I will be interested to see how it all plays out as well, but these are my guesses on how it will be handled without breaking immersion.

JellyBean
11-13-2012, 10:17 AM
there was an announcement aswell that there will be some kind of contest later or after season one to have your character show up in season two

Tabulator
11-16-2012, 08:24 AM
Shadinaxx got exactly what I mean. Thanks for the clarification. But anyway I'm fine with the answer Kalbuir gave to me. I'm trying to understand the whole system and it could be that I will ask in future many of this obvious or stupid questions. Glad to see that here are already people who are friendly and helpfull. It's not often the case ;) I think you know what I mean, forum-junkies who thinks it's insulting for the community to ask questions like this (because it's written somewhere).
Hope we will have a good time in the forums and later in the game.

Which you all a nice day!
Tabs

Shadinaxx
11-16-2012, 10:35 AM
Dont sweat the asking questions. Trolls havent settled in yet, I think Jellybean has been spraying under the bridge on a daily basis(with a flamethrower if I recall) lol.

Shadinaxx
11-16-2012, 10:43 AM
there was an announcement aswell that there will be some kind of contest later or after season one to have your character show up in season two

I hope there's more contests than the "highest frag rate" style of contests, get a whole guild mentioned, and the guild gets to choose (within reason) who their MVP is. Sort of a; "This is Rayni, from the merc group that calls themselves Static, who led them to victory against the hellbug patriarch..." etc

For obvious reasons, I hope that the devs have a clause that says they reserve the final right to determine alternate winners based on appropriate content of guild names and character names. We all would not like to watch a show of this caliber announce; "This is Inurface420, from the merc group that calls themselves STDs are BOP, who led them to victory against the hellbug patriarch..."

I would be rather upset, lol

vampero
11-17-2012, 03:47 AM
I think Star Wars a influence for the show for sure !

JellyBean
11-17-2012, 10:18 AM
I hope there's more contests than the "highest frag rate" style of contests, get a whole guild mentioned, and the guild gets to choose (within reason) who their MVP is. Sort of a; "This is Rayni, from the merc group that calls themselves Static, who led them to victory against the hellbug patriarch..." etc

For obvious reasons, I hope that the devs have a clause that says they reserve the final right to determine alternate winners based on appropriate content of guild names and character names. We all would not like to watch a show of this caliber announce; "This is Inurface420, from the merc group that calls themselves STDs are BOP, who led them to victory against the hellbug patriarch..."

I would be rather upset, lol

That is a good thought, I was actually thinking they had some kind of timed event where there was a certain event that needed to be done in a time limit. That way it splits it into a more individual basis and they would eventually pick the person who was able to complete so and so objectives in such an amount of time. haha and yea they would probably need to be appropriately named.

Shadinaxx
11-17-2012, 11:37 AM
I wouldnt say that there needs to be a naming enforcement, because every game will have their quirky names that mean alterior motives, but those names just wouldnt be elligable for name drops on the show (imo). I would hate to see Defiance take a hit due to using someone's Anime or superhero name and having the author hit them with a copywrite infringement, ya know?

Escyos
11-17-2012, 05:36 PM
I wouldnt say that there needs to be a naming enforcement, because every game will have their quirky names that mean alterior motives, but those names just wouldnt be elligable for name drops on the show (imo). I would hate to see Defiance take a hit due to using someone's Anime or superhero name and having the author hit them with a copywrite infringement, ya know?

Id actually prefer that to having a character show up on the show called "MonkeyPWN276" or "imakillyou". Copyright infringement or species embarrasment - id pick infringment

RexxDoom
11-17-2012, 06:46 PM
Well maybe this will have people come up with thoughtful names. I've always used one that I think is original. But you'll have to wait and meet him later.;)

Kalbuir
11-19-2012, 01:15 AM
I wouldnt say that there needs to be a naming enforcement, because every game will have their quirky names that mean alterior motives, but those names just wouldnt be elligable for name drops on the show (imo). I would hate to see Defiance take a hit due to using someone's Anime or superhero name and having the author hit them with a copywrite infringement, ya know?

I am really interested how the copyright infringement would turn out, it's so hard to prevent as unless I am mistaken it's really hard to check. Majority of players do get their name from something and in a lot of cases it's not as obvious. I'll take myself for example I use names like Kalbuir and Terric both come from the Star Wars universe (books) and I doubt they could make it into the show for that reason.

Escyos
11-19-2012, 01:40 AM
I am really interested how the copyright infringement would turn out, it's so hard to prevent as unless I am mistaken it's really hard to check. Majority of players do get their name from something and in a lot of cases it's not as obvious. I'll take myself for example I use names like Kalbuir and Terric both come from the Star Wars universe (books) and I doubt they could make it into the show for that reason.

Well now you won't! You just said its from something else, you should have claimed you made it up and it was just a coincidence.

Golgo28
12-11-2012, 11:58 AM
most of the people at trion and syfy are geeks like the rest of us.so odds are they will know if a player's character name is copyrighted.and i doubt they will use a name that is something stupid like mnkypwner 221.it will probaly be if your name doesnt fit within a set of standards you can't be a part of any contest to have your character appear in show.

Carnak
12-11-2012, 12:20 PM
I am really interested how the copyright infringement would turn out, it's so hard to prevent as unless I am mistaken it's really hard to check.

Like some other legal obligations related to player behaviour it's a matter of having an official policy and enforcing it.

If a player reports an illegal name, they can investigate and do something about it. They keep a record of those reports and their responses to them. Then if they're ever sued (like NCSoft was by Marvel) they can prove they've done everything reasonable to prevent copyright infringement and generally won't be held responsible for any specific player violations.

I also think it's likely that every MMO has a database table with illegal names and that will include all the more popular violations, which is checked when players create any new character.


I'll take myself for example I use names like Kalbuir and Terric both come from the Star Wars universe (books) and I doubt they could make it into the show for that reason.

My understanding is that copyright law is a bit fuzzy when it comes to stuff like this. Especially with an IP as old and prolific as Star Wars, if they tried to enforce copyright on every character name ever used anywhere in their universe, there'd be few remotely pronouncable names left for any other work of fiction to use. A lot of the names in Star Wars are also derivatives of real-world words from non-English languages so themselves aren't completely original.

I think names outside of the main characters in the six movies would probably be ok.

You'd probably only be in hot water if in addition to using the names you tried to make those characters somehow like the ones from the books. Though if you're really attached to those names I wouldn't go repeating that you've taken them from where you have too often. TRION may decide to err on the side of caution.

stormaaron
12-11-2012, 07:27 PM
they will probably come up with a name (corresponding with the species of course ) and say the gamers name is just a nickname

Fiancee
12-12-2012, 08:23 AM
I dont see problem, they just see what majority of people do from ALL platforms and decisions are based on that, also they can add more content, give quests, more story, after each episode. This should be interesting, lets say theres multi-choice quest, and most people choose to kill someone, and that dude dies in the tv-show.

Fiancee
12-12-2012, 08:27 AM
I wouldnt say that there needs to be a naming enforcement, because every game will have their quirky names that mean alterior motives, but those names just wouldnt be elligable for name drops on the show (imo). I would hate to see Defiance take a hit due to using someone's Anime or superhero name and having the author hit them with a copywrite infringement, ya know?

Players name doesnt mean a thing, actors are the main characters, not us players. If you plan to become famous world wide movie star, dont think its gonna happen.

Zairrix
12-12-2012, 01:52 PM
I really don't think there's going to be a ton of choice in the game. How could there be when there will be no cross-platform play and multiple servers on each platform? For each individual server could end up being a different story based on the choices of the players there. If they picked one story from a server and not all the others or if they pick the story choices that are most common across the game then the people who didn't go along with those same story choices picked missed out. And that would defeat the purpose of having the game along side the story which is to help make you feel apart of this world. More than likely, any choices we are given will be small and not capable of effecting the show. The parts of the game that will effect the show will be large, scripted events where we may not be making a choice but we're still driving the story by completeing the event. Of course, I could be wrong and I rather hope I am since the alternatives would be much cooler.

Carnak
12-12-2012, 02:44 PM
I really don't think there's going to be a ton of choice in the game. How could there be when there will be no cross-platform play and multiple servers on each platform? For each individual server could end up being a different story based on the choices of the players there. If they picked one story from a server and not all the others or if they pick the story choices that are most common across the game then the people who didn't go along with those same story choices picked missed out.

I see a flaw in your logic.

Hypothetically let's say there's some choice players make and they go with the most popular choice across all servers - which would be reasonable.

You claim lack of cross-platform play and multiple servers for each platform is a problem.

You say that people who didn't go along with a particular story choices will feel like they missed out.

But that's always going to be a problem. Even if you put everyone on a single server, not everyone would make the same choice. That's how things work in any social environment where choices are made by a group of people.

So I don't think the platform or server objections are meaningful.

It is possible to implement some kind of scripted story event in a way that updates across servers in (close to) real time and allows players to make a choice.

Say we're faced with an imminent threat and there's a military solution - attack a particular base which has X number of defenders of various types - and a diplomatic / trade solution which requires players to harvest and craft Y number of items.

There could be a moral valence attached to the choice. The developers could make one of those options 'good' and the other 'bad' and each player's personal choice has some effect on their own character.

Since everything boils down to numbers, the game would just need to keep a running tally of X and Y across servers. When the threshold for one is reached, that choice is selected and the story progresses along that path.