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Jaydogg
05-07-2013, 07:31 PM
So for the past 3 days ive opened 10-12 tier 4 boxes consecutivly. Every time i have recieved in this exact order blue,blue,blue,green. WTF!! if these boxes rely on your ego level to determine what items you recieve then trion needs to shed some light on this subject. this is very dissapponting. ego 3757

MagellanD
05-07-2013, 07:50 PM
So for the past 3 days ive opened 10-12 tier 4 boxes consecutivly. Every time i have recieved in this exact order blue,blue,blue,green. WTF!! if these boxes rely on your ego level to determine what items you recieve then trion needs to shed some light on this subject. this is very dissapponting. ego 3757

What's worse is I got g,g,b,p. every single one of them a shtako bazooka. ALL of them.
I've had to buy legendaries to get them.

It feels really broken.

Marcese
05-07-2013, 07:56 PM
I call bull$hit also, i have had the same combo on the last few tier four boxes also of B,B,B,G. The odds of this occurring is more remote than getting mauled by a billy goat with three legs. I want my keycodes back since the friggin tier 4's are rigged.

DejaVooDoo
05-07-2013, 08:02 PM
So for the past 3 days ive opened 10-12 tier 4 boxes consecutivly. Every time i have recieved in this exact order blue,blue,blue,green. WTF!! if these boxes rely on your ego level to determine what items you recieve then trion needs to shed some light on this subject. this is very dissapponting. ego 3757

Any time you see someone on these forums say something is random, you can assume they are clueless and add them to your ignore list. Same goes with the people who drop the acronym rng. nothing in this game is random. they have applied weighted probabilities to everything and they did an exceedingly poor job. Despite the fact that mmo games have been perfecting drop rate algorithms for over a decade, this particular dev team can't manage to figure it out or even bother to copy a competent competitor. Eventually, i'm sure, drop rates and lockbox probabilities will be set in a less-obviously incompetent manner. we're probably a long way from that point however. trion can't even manage to control their contract system at the moment.

3rdpig
05-07-2013, 08:05 PM
This is one area I agree with the complaints. I hate RNG stores, and this is the worst one I've ran into that I can remember.

For example, when I started ME3 I dumped $50 into Premium Specter packs and wound up with 3 Ultra Rare weapons, and a buttload of Rare weapons, mods and gear. It was a big help in getting started. But from what I've seen in this game you'd have to drop $500 in order to have a chance at getting anything decent, and even then you may wind up with a Legendary Sniper Rifle with Melee damage bonuses and the Run and Gun synergy.

I'm not going to pretend I know what Trion's sales figures are for in game items, but it's not hard to figure out how they could make it better. No one sober and in their right mind is going to dump real money into lockboxes as they are now.

Blackwolfe
05-07-2013, 08:11 PM
This is one area I agree with the complaints. I hate RNG stores, and this is the worst one I've ran into that I can remember.

For example, when I started ME3 I dumped $50 into Premium Specter packs and wound up with 3 Ultra Rare weapons, and a buttload of Rare weapons, mods and gear. It was a big help in getting started. But from what I've seen in this game you'd have to drop $500 in order to have a chance at getting anything decent, and even then you may wind up with a Legendary Sniper Rifle with Melee damage bonuses and the Run and Gun synergy.

I'm not going to pretend I know what Trion's sales figures are for in game items, but it's not hard to figure out how they could make it better. No one sober and in their right mind is going to dump real money into lockboxes as they are now.

You could have gotten unlucky as well, alot of people complained that they were getting nothing but junk from the premium spectre packs.

canoedigit
05-07-2013, 08:15 PM
Dude try Tier 3's, i was doing all 4s and getting crap. Everyone said "do tier 3's" so i have been and I've been getting oranges 1 outta 5 on average. I think the odds are better and they're a third the key codes Im at EGO 1136.

aRtFuL
05-07-2013, 08:21 PM
What's worse is I got g,g,b,p. every single one of them a shtako bazooka. ALL of them.
I've had to buy legendaries to get them.

It feels really broken.

I know... why are there so many rocket launchers and grenade launchers drops? Save 2 types of those weaps hardly anyone uses them... and there are a lot of different types of guns out there...

MagellanD
05-07-2013, 08:26 PM
I know... why are there so many rocket launchers and grenade launchers drops? Save 2 types of those weaps hardly anyone uses them... and there are a lot of different types of guns out there...
Or at least set criteria that if bazooka is given roll and exclude the same type from happening again.

I call it the three sh's of defiance.
Shields, shtako, & $hit you get as drops.

(Yes I know shtako and the third are the same thing)

MagellanD
05-07-2013, 08:27 PM
Dude try Tier 3's, i was doing all 4s and getting crap. Everyone said "do tier 3's" so i have been and I've been getting oranges 1 outta 5 on average. I think the odds are better and they're a third the key codes Im at EGO 1136.
I gave up on that all I've bought is 3 and nothing :(

quadkilla
05-07-2013, 08:33 PM
Lol idk about u guys but I got my first tier 4 in fact my first box and I got 2 legendays and 2 purples

Natjur
05-07-2013, 08:37 PM
Lol idk about u guys but I got my first tier 4 in fact my first box and I got 2 legendays and 2 purples

Just a random question... How many hours had the server been up when you brought the lock box?

quadkilla
05-07-2013, 08:40 PM
That's a great question cuz i was like under ego 50 and I had 69 key codes and it made me laugh so i asked what they did and i was told got off an hour later i got on and bought the box right away :)

Jaydogg
05-07-2013, 08:47 PM
Lol idk about u guys but I got my first tier 4 in fact my first box and I got 2 legendays and 2 purples

ive gotten oranges from them in past but this pattern is very, very unlikly if its truly random.

Natjur
05-07-2013, 08:51 PM
ive gotten oranges from them in past but this pattern is very, very unlikly if its truly random.

I believe there are 'limits' to the number of orange items allowed to enter the game per day (appears to be per 6 hr) So once those limits have been reached, no matter what you do, you will not get an orange.

If under those limits, its random (4%) but over those limits, its 0%

But its hard to prove, so maybe it is just very bad random.

If there are limited per day, they need to change the limits to be per account instead of server wide. (I don't mind if the personally limit is 1 orange per week, at least you will GET one)

Antimony
05-07-2013, 08:53 PM
Yeah, BBBG is the pattern that I've been getting too and there is always at least one rocket launcher and, most often, a detonator among the items.

Last night, I bought a Tier 4 box just before and after the server reboot, same results - BBBG and each had a rocket launcher. I think the RNG for the boxes needs to be tweaked.

Arkfalls always have one shield (never a good one) and one grenade, mostly blue/blue but I had a few green/purple too - but I guess that's the intended reward?

I also noticed that the supply shop specials include rocket launchers and detonators far more often than any other weapons. These weapon types certainly have much better odds than the rest.

Space_Monky
05-07-2013, 09:06 PM
all i know is that i was buying tier 3's since i started. easily opened hundreds... first tier 4 gave me an orange. it was a lame BMG, but i got one. :p

Sids
05-07-2013, 09:43 PM
I bought a bunch of T3's and T4's, not getting any orange....... but FWIW, the first Tier-2 box I ever picked up had a Fragnova grenade in it. Thing's amazing. Sooooooooo knowing that it's POSSIBLE to get orange gear out of a tier-2, I think that's what I'm buying from now on. Because you get something like 16 items for the price of 4, which I think tips the odds in your favor. Dunno.

Holy Bahamut3
07-07-2013, 04:16 PM
It seems to be somewhat random. I bought nothing but tier 2 for the longest and got no Legendary. Then my first tier 3 I got a legendary Infector. I've found nothing since. It seems like they are indeed "Rare".

c4l1d3n
07-07-2013, 05:45 PM
I've got an orange from 2,3,4 lockboxes. Don't forget to cross your fingers and chant gooosefraba Goooooosefraba when opening them.

Cortechs
07-07-2013, 06:37 PM
I opened two Tier 3's not long ago and got the exact same weapons, in the exact same order, with the exact same colors.

I have also been getting mostly BBBG this weekend, but I usually get BBGG from T4. Getting a purple is about as rare as getting an orange. Has been since launch for me.

And yes, it's obvious there are "common" weapons that drop, and the good ones are rare. I could open my own crappy vendor shop with the Thunders, Rockers, Sawed-offs, Heavy Sawed-offs, Bird-shot pumps, etc.

Sanguinesun
07-07-2013, 08:39 PM
Smart people atm are saving their ark salvage. If they max their key codes doing other things, they figure out ways to make that worth their wild as best as possible until they're ready to bust through their ark salvage when the time is right.

Save as best as you can for the time being. You'll be happy that you did and you'll know when.

Orbital
07-07-2013, 09:01 PM
So for the past 3 days ive opened 10-12 tier 4 boxes consecutivly. Every time i have recieved in this exact order blue,blue,blue,green. WTF!! if these boxes rely on your ego level to determine what items you recieve then trion needs to shed some light on this subject. this is very dissapponting. ego 3757

it is just random, I made a alt that has only opened 3 boxes and 2 of them had oranges, one around ego 300 (a nothing special nomad smg) and I got one of my best box rolls ever at 1300. I got a legendary saw w/ siphon, rolling thunder, crit mult, fire rate, res other refresh on self res (meh) and 8% ego power duration on crit kill.

Youkai Risu
07-08-2013, 02:47 AM
Boxes are broken every tier is the same for me.... Garbage.
Tier 2 gg
Teir 3 ggb
Teir 4 gggb and rarely ggbp

Anthalus
07-08-2013, 04:00 AM
5 Tier 4 lockboxes over the weekend, 3 legendaries from them. Random is Random.

Combo Breaker
07-08-2013, 04:07 AM
it is just random, I made a alt that has only opened 3 boxes and 2 of them had oranges, one around ego 300 (a nothing special nomad smg) and I got one of my best box rolls ever at 1300. I got a legendary saw w/ siphon, rolling thunder, crit mult, fire rate, res other refresh on self res (meh) and 8% ego power duration on crit kill.

You were under EGO 1500 when you pulled that SAW. The rumor is that after 1500 you start going downhill on percentage of oranges to boxes purchased.

Mr B
07-08-2013, 04:26 AM
I always love when people are trying to find a pattern for something that is random.
Key word being: RANDOM. :p
And the odds aren't cumulative, so you can buy 100 boxes and not get a legendary, or buy 2 and get 3 legendaries.
I agree RNG can be frustrating, it is for everyone.
Your best bet is buying the weapons you want from another player, because that is the only usefull thing you can do with scrip anyway, and cross your fingers when opening a lockbox.Cheers

Azimov
07-08-2013, 04:29 AM
The numbers may not be as random as you think. Somtimes im games they generate a rn series of a certain length and store it in memory rather tan regenerate it each time.

AmnesiaHaze
07-08-2013, 05:11 AM
its totally random , if you dont get orange stuff dont worry , keep playing and buying boxes

- my first orange was from a tier 2 at ego 90 (very lucky)
- then i got one each 200-300 ego levels one approximately
- between ego 2300-3800 i didnt get anything after buying countless tier 4s
- at 3800 i got the next orange , 80 ego levels later i got two oranges in a row from two tier 4s

i never got anything good from tier3 so cant recommend those, 90% of my oranges are from tier 4s and i buy all types of boxes

Colif
07-08-2013, 05:26 AM
Without actual figures, its all speculation. I got 11 legendary items between lvls 390 and 1600 and haven't had any since. Currently ER 3630, its been a long time between drinks. More keys now should give better results but its disheartening to get blue/green items in a box worth 64 keys. I get better items from arkfalls than I do entering the keycode lottery. Wish I had a better use for keys.

Nadar
07-08-2013, 05:26 AM
I always love when people are trying to find a pattern for something that is random.
Key word being: RANDOM. :p


The key word is actually missing....and that is 'PSEUDO' random number generator. I really doubt the system is connected to anything that is actually generating random numbers since that is not necessary for this type of application. While, if properly configured, a pseudo random number generator will create a sequence of numbers with decent random properties, they are not truly random. And the rng that is generally available in programming languages isn't considered all that good since it can start repeating sequences fairly quickly (albeit after thousands of numbers)....should be fine for games but nothing that truly cares about simulating randomness.

If configured or used improperly, these common rng's will generate repeated sequences much more frequently. While I think the problem with the drop box output is likely something different that just how the rng is being used, I do believe there is some problem. It is very suspicious that a number of people are reporting that they are getting exactly BBBG drops.....I usually buy tier 3's but this weekend decided to switch to tier 4's since I was not having any luck getting legendaries from the tier 3's. In the 5 I bought, I also got 3 blues and 1 green from each of them....I don't think they were always in BBBG order but the quantities were always 3B & 1G. While it is certainly statistically possible for this to happen, it does raise a flag that something might be wrong.

RogueNineCH
07-08-2013, 05:30 AM
I've got an orange from 2,3,4 lockboxes. Don't forget to cross your fingers and chant gooosefraba Goooooosefraba when opening them.

I LOVE that movie! It's one of my all time favorite Sandler movies.

TravelerX1
07-08-2013, 05:38 AM
Well either something changed recently or I am on a real bad streak of luck. I was doing pretty well with the boxes until the last downtime, now.... I rarely see a purple, let alone an orange.

Thearl
07-08-2013, 05:41 AM
In the 5 I bought, I also got 3 blues and 1 green from each of them....I don't think they were always in BBBG order but the quantities were always 3B & 1G. While it is certainly statistically possible for this to happen, it does raise a flag that something might be wrong.

Ditto.

I bought 8 tier 4's over the holiday weekend. Every time it was B,B,B,G. Oranges stopped popping for me at EGO 2000. I don't know if thats a coincidence. We'll find out when the DLC drops and I roll a Casti.

RogueNineCH
07-08-2013, 05:55 AM
Well either something changed recently or I am on a real bad streak of luck. I was doing pretty well with the boxes until the last downtime, now.... I rarely see a purple, let alone an orange.

Same here, I was doing pretty good until then as well. As much as I like Oranges, I would be just fine with purples. Those have been few and far between as well.

N3gativeCr33p
07-08-2013, 06:08 AM
I still have yet to snag an orange from a lockbox... purchased one T3 and two T2 lockboxes over the weekend, and received nothing higher than maybe two blue weapons total.

Meh, I'll keep trying... my Irath is inching closer to 1000 EGO.

Tekrunner
07-08-2013, 06:12 AM
EGO 4800, 3 legendaries in the last 7 T4 lockboxes.

I know it's hard to accept, but even pseudo-random is likely random enough.

That's not to say there can't be any bugs or glitches affecting lockbox drop rates (bugs? in my Defiance? you can't be serious!). But if you want to prove anything, anecdotal data won't lead you anywhere. Start a new data collection project, and see what you get.

Zugo
07-08-2013, 06:53 AM
My weekend haul was as follows,

T4
BBBG
BBBG
BBBG
BBBG
OBBB (12:00AM PST 7/7/13)

T3
PBG
BBB
BBG
GGG
BBG

The strange string of BBBG in the T4 boxes had me scratching my head so I tried the T3 up until the last shot late last night before logging off.

TravelerX1
07-08-2013, 06:58 AM
Same here, I was doing pretty good until then as well. As much as I like Oranges, I would be just fine with purples. Those have been few and far between as well.

Same here. All blue and green. I did get one purple syphon magnum that was nice. But other then that... I have been having better purple luck from Vendors (2 Ars and a Ground Pounder this week)

JDF
07-08-2013, 07:02 AM
So for the past 3 days ive opened 10-12 tier 4 boxes consecutivly. Every time i have recieved in this exact order blue,blue,blue,green. WTF!! if these boxes rely on your ego level to determine what items you recieve then trion needs to shed some light on this subject. this is very dissapponting. ego 3757

Was thinking about talking about this myself and saw your thread. Yep the same is happening to me lately blue, blue, blue, green....blue, blue, blue, green...in that order. I have had 2 orange over the past couple of weeks but generally it always follows the same pattern.

I try to open 2 tier 4's a day

Lindrei
07-08-2013, 07:46 AM
I guess i'm ****ting horse shoes here because I've been getting 2-3 oranges a week. This last weekend I got 6(2 RL, 2 Snipers, 1 Shotgun and a FRC SAW) out of maybe 12 T4 boxes.

IAMVILELENT
07-08-2013, 09:02 AM
This is what I don't get about the players in Defiance, this isn't directed at anyone in particular, just general questions for you lock box junkies.

If you already have a setup that can kill things quickly, (You must considering how fast you acquire keys and go through T4 lockboxes...)

1.Why are you still farming keys and opening lock boxes?

A. If you're doing it for loot too trade, why? Why do you need so much script and salvage?

B. If you're looking for legendaries, why? It's already been shown a blue can trump any legendary. The odds of you finding a good legendary are on same par with you hitting the lottery 3 times a row in a week.

2.If you're opening so many lock boxes, and still can't find something to use, you're playing wrong.

A.What are you looking for in all those lock boxes?

3.If you're spending real money on lock boxes, why? Just why anymore? We have seen EVERY weapon the game has to offer, there is nothing secret or special, there is no "Legendary" item, just the same white gun but with a Orange label and probably a worthless revive bonus that is completely irrelevant in this game. If you're so eager to throw away money to get a shiny prize, send it to me and I'll gamble it for you at the casino on roulette and give you 80% of the winnings, much better investment. Lol

X64
07-08-2013, 09:14 AM
So for the past 3 days ive opened 10-12 tier 4 boxes consecutivly. Every time i have recieved in this exact order blue,blue,blue,green. WTF!! if these boxes rely on your ego level to determine what items you recieve then trion needs to shed some light on this subject. this is very dissapponting. ego 3757

It is actually luck. I got 2 oranges out of a tier 4 lockbox. It's up to your superstition and calculations but at the end of the day just buy the goddam box and move on. :)

Lindrei
07-08-2013, 09:14 AM
This is what I don't get about the players in Defiance, this isn't directed at anyone in particular, just general questions for you lock box junkies.

If you already have a setup that can kill things quickly, (You must considering how fast you acquire keys and go through T4 lockboxes...)

1.Why are you still farming keys and opening lock boxes?

A. If you're doing it for loot too trade, why? Why do you need so much script and salvage?

B. If you're looking for legendaries, why? It's already been shown a blue can trump any legendary. The odds of you finding a good legendary are on same par with you hitting the lottery 3 times a row in a week.

2.If you're opening so many lock boxes, and still can't find something to use, you're playing wrong.

A.What are you looking for in all those lock boxes?

3.If you're spending real money on lock boxes, why? Just why anymore? We have seen EVERY weapon the game has to offer, there is nothing secret or special, there is no "Legendary" item, just the same white gun but with a Orange label and probably a worthless revive bonus that is completely irrelevant in this game. If you're so eager to throw away money to get a shiny prize, send it to me and I'll gamble it for you at the casino on roulette and give you 80% of the winnings, much better investment. Lol

1. Farming Arkfalls gets you alot of keys.

2. I'm opening so many to see if I can make better versions of the varient I enjoy using.

3. I personally have not spent Bits on lock boxes but as I stated above I get a lot of orange weapons.

X64
07-08-2013, 09:16 AM
This is what I don't get about the players in Defiance, this isn't directed at anyone in particular, just general questions for you lock box junkies.

If you already have a setup that can kill things quickly, (You must considering how fast you acquire keys and go through T4 lockboxes...)

1.Why are you still farming keys and opening lock boxes?

A. If you're doing it for loot too trade, why? Why do you need so much script and salvage?

B. If you're looking for legendaries, why? It's already been shown a blue can trump any legendary. The odds of you finding a good legendary are on same par with you hitting the lottery 3 times a row in a week.

2.If you're opening so many lock boxes, and still can't find something to use, you're playing wrong.

A.What are you looking for in all those lock boxes?

3.If you're spending real money on lock boxes, why? Just why anymore? We have seen EVERY weapon the game has to offer, there is nothing secret or special, there is no "Legendary" item, just the same white gun but with a Orange label and probably a worthless revive bonus that is completely irrelevant in this game. If you're so eager to throw away money to get a shiny prize, send it to me and I'll gamble it for you at the casino on roulette and give you 80% of the winnings, much better investment. Lol

You hit the jackpot, brother. Exactly my thoughts in place. Can't explain people like that but can't blame/stop 'em either.

Flank
07-08-2013, 09:23 AM
This is what I don't get about the players in Defiance, this isn't directed at anyone in particular, just general questions for you lock box junkies.

If you already have a setup that can kill things quickly, (You must considering how fast you acquire keys and go through T4 lockboxes...)

1.Why are you still farming keys and opening lock boxes?

A. If you're doing it for loot too trade, why? Why do you need so much script and salvage?

B. If you're looking for legendaries, why? It's already been shown a blue can trump any legendary. The odds of you finding a good legendary are on same par with you hitting the lottery 3 times a row in a week.

2.If you're opening so many lock boxes, and still can't find something to use, you're playing wrong.

A.What are you looking for in all those lock boxes?

3.If you're spending real money on lock boxes, why? Just why anymore? We have seen EVERY weapon the game has to offer, there is nothing secret or special, there is no "Legendary" item, just the same white gun but with a Orange label and probably a worthless revive bonus that is completely irrelevant in this game. If you're so eager to throw away money to get a shiny prize, send it to me and I'll gamble it for you at the casino on roulette and give you 80% of the winnings, much better investment. Lol

Can't really answer the 1 about spending real $ on boxes.
As for the others, for me anyways, it's an addiction. Much
like gambling. Spend all my hard working dough on some
chance I may be better off then before. Those boxes often
offer something to use regardless of color. However I do
feel that spending that $crip and keys for 2.5k in salvage
Is shtako. I am ego1200 somethin and have 2 oranges.
Had tjem since around ego 450.. have some boss blues and
purples (always lookin for differ synergies), that def trump my
Oranges. I think the right gun for your play style and the right
MODS...can prevail regardless of color.. but the extra bonuses
make or break a lot of hunters..

DEATHBR1NGER 37
07-08-2013, 09:24 AM
I might do a little experiment to figure out if the box truly is random. For a few days, I'll farm keycodes and buy T3 boxes. I'll start a thread here once I begin titled "Lockbox Experiment". I will then record what I get by rarity (I'll specify type with Legendaries). On Friday night, I'll look back at the data and we'll see if the lockboxes are random or not. Sound good?

X64
07-08-2013, 09:35 AM
I might do a little experiment to figure out if the box truly is random. For a few days, I'll farm keycodes and buy T3 boxes. I'll start a thread here once I begin titled "Lockbox Experiment". I will then record what I get by rarity (I'll specify type with Legendaries). On Friday night, I'll look back at the data and we'll see if the lockboxes are random or not. Sound good?

But you can't predict random because random means you can still get patterns out of that and think that it has a pattern when it doesn't, and you're gonna take all those "it has a pattern" things back when you get an orange.

DEATHBR1NGER 37
07-08-2013, 09:40 AM
But you can't predict random because random means you can still get patterns out of that and think that it has a pattern when it doesn't, and you're gonna take all those "it has a pattern" things back when you get an orange.
After a week I think that if it was not random, a single solid pattern would emerge.

DEATHBR1NGER 37
07-08-2013, 09:42 AM
And BTW I never said there was a pattern.

IAMVILELENT
07-08-2013, 09:44 AM
You hit the jackpot, brother. Exactly my thoughts in place. Can't explain people like that but can't blame/stop 'em either.

Yeah I'm not knocking anyone who's farming them like mad, like Lindrie said, she just wants better versions of what she has, but then my question to that is, how MUCH better does something need to be, or can it be from what you already have?

My LMG has crit+dmg bonus, a purple version would probably give me some kind of 15% grenade refresh or some sort of "Do something either reviving someone or getting revived for X bonus." Which is 100% worthless considering most the time the bonus last for a few seconds. My desire to find a better weapon IS there, but we know the RNG system, we know the "likely" hood of finding X weapon, which makes me not bother with it, other then trying the trade forum, which only a handful of Defiance players even check. (Which is less then a thousand players, -using view counts as proof of low interest-)

I could make a thread saying "Post your best legendary." we wouldn't see more then 10 DECENT ones from every player in Defiance, we would see maybe 3 OP ones. That's out of HOW MANY LOCK BOXES OPENED SINCE START!? lol.
I guess if you find it fun, like yu gi oh or pokemon cards or MTG, I could see why you farm to open them, but unlike the card games, your'e NOT guaranteed at least 1 rare from a lockbox.

If I ran a major clan or any clan with over 50 members, I would tell all of them to go on a bits strike, no more $$$ spent until Trion fixes its clearly CLEARLY broken lockbox/loot system.

#DefianceBitsStrike <----Just saying.

Thearl
07-08-2013, 09:46 AM
A.What are you looking for in all those lock boxes?


Just 2 things, need an orange grenade and shield for my Living to Kill V pursuit. Four of the weapon oranges I've popped were excellent enough to continue resetting the mastery.
well, 3 things I guess - I do like SMGs and SAWs with syphon. I find more syphon stuff in boxes than on Volge.

IAMVILELENT
07-08-2013, 09:53 AM
Just 2 things, need an orange grenade and shield for my Living to Kill V pursuit. Four of the weapon oranges I've popped were excellent enough to continue resetting the mastery.
well, 3 things I guess - I do like SMGs and SAWs with syphon. I find more syphon stuff in boxes than on Volge.

You'll find those items faster asking a clan or friend to just trade them to you, or trading script in the forum for the trade, then giving the script back, yes I love Saws with syphon (My pvp choice).

I've used all my keys so far on mod caches, I think lvl 3 mods have higher value then the weapons themselves, you can also acquire them faster. You can then use the script to just buy what you want from other players.

Thearl
07-08-2013, 10:06 AM
You'll find those items faster asking a clan or friend to just trade them to you, or trading script in the forum for the trade, then giving the script back, yes I love Saws with syphon (My pvp choice).

I've used all my keys so far on mod caches, I think lvl 3 mods have higher value then the weapons themselves, you can also acquire them faster. You can then use the script to just buy what you want from other players.

Agreed, I swapped to Mod Caches around EGO 2000 when most of my weapon drops were fully mod slotted, now that I'm in the upper 2000's and getting weapons that are single and double slotted, it's less painful on my inventory to do tier 4 boxes and salvage the blues and greens. I did make a huge inventory list to do a forum trade post, but haven't made it yet. I'm not much of a people person. if I was clanned, I suppose I'd try for some sell/trades in clan. I've got an orange FRC scattergun thats EGO 30 (yes, 30) I bet i could sell for 300 or 400K when the DLC hits.

Maitreakow
07-08-2013, 10:28 AM
I might do a little experiment to figure out if the box truly is random. For a few days, I'll farm keycodes and buy T3 boxes. I'll start a thread here once I begin titled "Lockbox Experiment". I will then record what I get by rarity (I'll specify type with Legendaries). On Friday night, I'll look back at the data and we'll see if the lockboxes are random or not. Sound good?

You mean something like this?

http://forums.defiance.com/showthread.php?31475-Here-are-the-concrete-probabilities-for-each-Lockbox-tier

Maitreakow
07-08-2013, 10:30 AM
I am at EGO 3600+ picked up total of 2 oranges. Clan-mate last week bought two Tier 4 lock boxes. Result was SIX oranges and two purples. Random is Random...

Colif
07-08-2013, 10:31 AM
Just got PPBG which is my best T4 for ages. 2 sniper rifles which i don't mind since I am using them at moment.

I should buy Mod caches but I always think, it must be my time, so i save for boxes. With minor ark falls giving 3 keys now, its pretty easy to get enough keys for 2 T4 a day. I only do arkfalls for something to do, I use minor arkfalls for weapon exp on my rocket launcher unless its a crystal destroy, then I use an outbreaker.

Hope499
07-08-2013, 10:33 AM
I just got 2 oranges from the same tier 3 box! :D

X64
07-08-2013, 10:41 AM
And BTW I never said there was a pattern.

Liar.


After a week I think that if it was not random, a single solid pattern would emerge

And a week after that it'll screw up your newly discovered pattern and you'll lose your mind and become one of them whiners.

Please don't, we've already got too much of that army.

IAMVILELENT
07-08-2013, 10:46 AM
PC - Not so Random - Low drop rates/high key earnings - ::conclusion:: Less players, less money spent, lower LB rate to increase sales(aka lockbox grind), Biggest profit margin, no middle man. -low/single purchases from one player-

PS3 - Slightly Random - Mid range drop rates/lower key earnings - ::conslusion:: Bigger community then PC, more money spent by players on PS3, less profit earned/sony cut. -multiple purchases from same player-

XBOX - More Random - Higher drop rates/lower key earning per player - ::conclusion:: Larger community, less profit earned/microsoft cut, Increase LB drop rate to increase more sales -multiple purchases from same player-.


Does this look accurate to anyone else?

DEATHBR1NGER 37
07-08-2013, 10:58 AM
Liar.



And a week after that it'll screw up your newly discovered pattern and you'll lose your mind and become one of them whiners.

Please don't, we've already got too much of that army.
Please show me where I said there was a pattern.

Thearl
07-12-2013, 05:01 AM
Ditto.

I bought 8 tier 4's over the holiday weekend. Every time it was B,B,B,G. Oranges stopped popping for me at EGO 2000. I don't know if thats a coincidence. We'll find out when the DLC drops and I roll a Casti.

I still feel like calling Shenannigans. 6 lockboxes since Monday - 4 EGO 2600, 2 EGO 550. 4 were B,B,B,G; 1 was P,B,G,G; and the last of the EGO 550s got the purchase bug where your keys disappear and no items are picked up.
The sheer number of incidents of B,B,B,G feels like a broken RNG algorithm.

Are all the B,B,B,Gs on PC? Are oranges rare/uncommon on Console platforms and the PC version returning flawed patterns?
Should a tier 4 at least have a guaranteed purple?

Maitreakow
07-12-2013, 05:10 AM
I still feel like calling Shenannigans. 6 lockboxes since Monday - 4 EGO 2600, 2 EGO 550. 4 were B,B,B,G; 1 was P,B,G,G; and the last of the EGO 550s got the purchase bug where your keys disappear and no items are picked up.
The sheer number of incidents of B,B,B,G feels like a broken RNG algorithm.

Are all the B,B,B,Gs on PC? Are oranges rare/uncommon on Console platforms and the PC version returning flawed patterns?
Should a tier 4 at least have a guaranteed purple?

No guaranteed anything, but here are your odds for color at each tier of lockbox.

http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...h-Lockbox-tier

Tekrunner
07-12-2013, 05:14 AM
It's entirely possible that the BBBG pattern is more probable than others because of the way the algorithm works. Maybe the first 2 items have a higher chance of being blue or purple, and the last one green or orange. But again, unless you start to precisely keep track of what you get, you can only speculate.

What I do know is that I just got my 5th orange (a VBI guided launcher, no less) in the past week, over maybe 12 - 15 T4 lockboxes. So I just can't help but think that random is random.

BONNY
07-12-2013, 05:18 AM
Soon as i open a Tier 4 box from a lock box and the first is a blue i know the rest will be BBG ALWAYS.

But i find the Tier 4 Boxes from the store more random and i have found 4 off my 6 oranges from the store boxes,.

Aeothena
07-12-2013, 05:18 AM
Only drawn orange during loot weekend when they bumped the odds on loot and lockboxes (I got 2 and have never got another since). How I regret I didn't grind scrip and arksalvage and bought a 100 T3 that weekend. Bought a couple of T4 with the keys you're getting from the replay missions and the missions themsleves last night.

First was g,g,g,b
Second was g,g,b,p

None with a good synery so all was scrapped for new arksalvage again.



When I buy T3, they are mostly b,b,p
Some rare ones gives g,b,b

So, my experience is that T3 gives more blue and purple than T4 does...

Giren
07-12-2013, 05:20 AM
Since I started on may 8th I bought over 500 tier 3 boxes here is what I got:
3 legendaries:
1 courier
1 incubator
1 tacc auto pistol

75 purple

The rest blue or green

Other then the first 2 days I started playing the game it took me 2 months to get my 3d orange weapon

In the same time I also bought about 15 tier 4 boxes and got nothing but, purple, purple, blue/green, purple

Thearl
07-12-2013, 06:05 AM
No guaranteed anything, but here are your odds for color at each tier of lockbox.

http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...h-Lockbox-tier
(I think the link is broken, but I have read that set of data)
Keep in mind, I'm not crying about no oranges. I'm concerned about the actual RNG. Starting about 1.020 when loot drops were tuned, I started seeing the repeating pattern of B,B,B,G. (On PC) I can't tell if the box stat threads are mixed platforms or single platform datum. I started keeping track of my boxes the first week of June after two straight weeks of B,B,B,G boxes, so I have about 20 data points to shove into mini-tab. I'll run the stats myself when I hit 100 data points.

JDF
07-12-2013, 06:06 AM
After weeks of getting a massive amount of BBBG from opening 2 tier 4's a day, not all but I would say at least 90%, for the past 2 days I switched to opening 6 tier 3's a day. I've got 2 oranges from the 12 tier 3's and a few purples...its definitely more random on tier 3's from my experiences

Maitreakow
07-12-2013, 06:19 AM
(I think the link is broken, but I have read that set of data)
Keep in mind, I'm not crying about no oranges. I'm concerned about the actual RNG. Starting about 1.020 when loot drops were tuned, I started seeing the repeating pattern of B,B,B,G. (On PC) I can't tell if the box stat threads are mixed platforms or single platform datum. I started keeping track of my boxes the first week of June after two straight weeks of B,B,B,G boxes, so I have about 20 data points to shove into mini-tab. I'll run the stats myself when I hit 100 data points.

Sorry here is a working link.

http://forums.defiance.com/showthread.php?31475-Here-are-the-concrete-probabilities-for-each-Lockbox-tier&highlight=lockbox+tier

Colif
07-12-2013, 07:39 AM
Last T4 box was P,O,B,G.

I had started to think it would never happen, alas I only got a damned Sawn off, almost any other weapon type would have been fun, but its better than nothing I guess.

No nano, 1.15 crit bonus, FRC Sawed off scattergun, Grenadier.

Only taken 2k levels to get another Orange... shame it wasn't a shield as then i could have finished one more part of a pursuit.

TechnoSausage
07-16-2013, 08:31 AM
So for the past 3 days ive opened 10-12 tier 4 boxes consecutivly. Every time i have recieved in this exact order blue,blue,blue,green. WTF!! if these boxes rely on your ego level to determine what items you recieve then trion needs to shed some light on this subject. this is very dissapponting. ego 3757

I've been searching for this post as I remember seeing it a few days back! I am getting exactly the same from tier 4 lock boxes in the same order!
Wtf is going on? They are definitely broken at the minute! Anyone else still getting this???

Keevan
07-16-2013, 04:27 PM
Lockboxes are #1 reason I do not play, or rather I log in for 5 minutes say W..T..F am I doing and log back out.

That i what my last several play sessions consisted of. MMO this game aint, heck it does not even have a social system and the other players dont actually exist or have any effect on you other than taking up pixel on your screen.

Arkfalls are the biggest joke. Woohoo an event with 50+ people all doing it that is so effing trivialized it takes very little skill and people only die due to blowing themselves up. Wait it gets better, lets create an achievement for 1000 revive others in trivialized content.

So much disconnect in this game it is pathetic.