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TBaggins
06-12-2013, 07:33 PM
I wanted to share something I was reading. It may be a wall of text, but reading it through it's entirety is really quite enlightening. I have been a MS fan-boy for many, many years - beginning with the original Xbox... I currently have an 8 year tenure with Xbox live (as shown on profile). I tell you this to set the basis that I was always marching into battle against Sony fan-boys. Xbox has always been superior for many reasons. Many are just because of things Sony has done in the past that Microsoft fans don't appreciate. Unfortunately, things have suddenly changed. I feel like a traitor for my thoughts on a PS4. Microsoft has shot me, the loyal consumer, in the back. Read this nice long blog. 95% of it is known information yes, but read it in its entirety with the way its worded.
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Microsoft’s Xbox One announcement last week was supposed to be big, shocking, and amazing. It was supposed to blow the PlayStation 4 reveal out of the water and take everyone by surprise. It was supposed to prove all of the Xbox naysayers wrong. But it didn’t. In fact, it went as bad — a mess of mixed messaging and a focus on everything but games.

It’s been a week since the Xbox One event, and everyone’s had time to mull over what they saw and heard. Ultimately, I was very disappointed. But I certainly wasn’t the only one who felt so. Gamers everywhere are grouping together and saying how much the Xbox One sucks and how the PS4 is without doubt going to be better.

Microsoft has received such negative backlash from the reveal event that the question of whether or not they have just completely screwed up the next generation for itself is becoming more prominent.

Currently, few like or are siding with the Xbox One. But why? Why does it look like Microsoft has just ****ed up their next console? Microsoft needs to impress consumers. And to do this, you often have to listen to them and take their views into account, something Microsoft hasn’t seemed to have done.

Microsoft has three core issues here that it did not approach or deal with properly. These three issues are what are greatly contributing to the Xbox One looking like a bad deal. These three things, which the company could have avoided, are what are really angering consumers. Three things Microsoft didn’t take note of — and apparently didn’t ask its consumers and fans enough about.

Why did Microsoft go it alone? Why did it not listen? Why does it not seem to have any idea what we, the buyers, the people with the money, want?

Lack of games, too much living room
The first issue is the lack of games and the whole entertainment side of the console.
Sony’s reveal was all about games. Sure, it did not show the console — and I was very disappointed by how shady it appeared to be about some aspects of the it — but it did not forget its audience: the people who it was broadcasting to.

My sister likes movies and TV and entertainment. She does. The things that Microsoft highlighted that the Xbox One does in the entertainment area of things are probably things my sister could very well use and like. But she doesn’t care about the Xbox One. She didn’t watch the reveal. Why? Because she doesn’t game. It’s not her deal. So, Microsoft, the Xbox One is still a game console. It is an Xbox. It’s part of a gaming brand. It has hardcore gaming capabilities. It’s why people buy the console.

Quantum Break was the most interesting game-related thing Microsoft showed. Which isn’t bad. I can’t wait for it. But this wasn’t even proper gameplay — all we saw was a trailer.

So why were you pushing all of this entertainment crap? Why on Earth were you emphasizing areas of the console and what it does that no one watching cared about? You want to make an all-in-one entertainment device? Go ahead. But just don’t call it an Xbox and market it as a game console at the same time.

The lack of games at the reveal was stupid. Microsoft totally neglected its entire audience and following and tried to convince us other things mattered. But no one cared, Microsoft. We just want games. And that’s what Sony and the PS4 is making sure it will deliver.
So, why aren’t you?

We have an (online) problem
The second issue is the online requirement. How many times did people have to yell and scream and make it clear that they did not want online to be a necessity?

OK, OK, so it isn’t a “constant necessity,” but the Xbox One’s core features still rely on it.
The Xbox One doesn’t have to be constantly connected to the Internet, but it reportedly needs to be connected about once a day in order to keep functioning. This could mean that if the Internet goes down you can still game and do things on it for some time (about 24 hours), but you will need to reconnect it at some point soon to still be able to use it before it shuts off completely.

This isn't a big deal for those who live with stable Internet connections, but what about people who don’t have consistent or constant broadband? Well, they may not be about to use their Xbox One. That it must have an Internet connection to function long-term is not what we, the consumers, wanted. It might not be always online, but it’s as good as. All Microsoft did by making the console like this was reduce people’s confidence in it.

And show that it wasn't listening to its most valuable consumers.

Used game debacle
The third and final main issue is the reported charge for used or borrowed games. You can use a friends game on your console if you are signed in as them, but if you’re not singed in as them and you simply want to borrow a game for a week, you may have to pay a fee. A full-price game fee. So basicall, you have to buy the game yourself.

This is the final straw for many people. It’s the thing that proves just how much Microsoft don’t seem to care. While Microsoft has said used games will still be available and game rentals will still somehow work, not being able to borrow or simply lend games is a ludicrous feature to get rid of. People made it clear months, maybe even years ago, that they did not want restrictions like this. And what has Microsoft done? It has ****ed you. It has ****ed me. It has ****ed the consumer.

Yeah, Microsoft, no one cares about apps on a game console. Where are the games?
It’s almost like Microsoft thought the pros would outweigh the cons, but didn’t it realize everyone was going to be looking at the bad parts of the new console? It’s like the company tried to say “Yeah, it has to have a consistent Internet connection to work, and you have to pay to use a friend’s game, but, hey, look, we have — sports games and entertainment things!” But Microsoft, wake up. No one cares. Nobody gives one ****. No one cares about this “app” and that “app” and this “movie thing” and that “movie thing.” No. One. Cares.

Hey but you know what gamers do care about? Games. We care about games. We care about being able to lend a friend a game for free. We care about being able to game without an Internet connection. We care about the ****ing video games we can play on your ****ing video game console. And basically, everything we, gamers and consumers, care about are things you don’t seem to care about. You seemed to brush these aside or screw up. And it’s hard to have faith in a company like that.

That’s why so many people are pissed. That’s why so many are saying the PS4 is better. That’s why many gamers say the Xbox One is rubbish. Basically, that’s how you, Microsoft, ****ed up the next generation for yourselves.

Take a ****ing bow.

Mirimon
06-12-2013, 07:39 PM
I wanted to share something I was reading. It may be a wall of text, but reading it through it's entirety is really quite enlightening. I have been a MS fan-boy for many, many years - beginning with the original Xbox... I currently have an 8 year tenure with Xbox live (as shown on profile). I tell you this to set the basis that I was always marching into battle against Sony fan-boys. Xbox has always been superior for many reasons. Many are just because of things Sony has done in the past that Microsoft fans don't appreciate. Unfortunately, things have suddenly changed. I feel like a traitor for my thoughts on a PS4. Microsoft has shot me, the loyal consumer, in the back. Read this nice long blog. 95% of it is known information yes, but read it in its entirety with the way its worded.
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Microsoft’s Xbox One announcement last week was supposed to be big, shocking, and amazing. It was supposed to blow the PlayStation 4 reveal out of the water and take everyone by surprise. It was supposed to prove all of the Xbox naysayers wrong. But it didn’t. In fact, it went as bad — a mess of mixed messaging and a focus on everything but games.

It’s been a week since the Xbox One event, and everyone’s had time to mull over what they saw and heard. Ultimately, I was very disappointed. But I certainly wasn’t the only one who felt so. Gamers everywhere are grouping together and saying how much the Xbox One sucks and how the PS4 is without doubt going to be better.

Microsoft has received such negative backlash from the reveal event that the question of whether or not they have just completely screwed up the next generation for itself is becoming more prominent.

Currently, few like or are siding with the Xbox One. But why? Why does it look like Microsoft has just ****ed up their next console? Microsoft needs to impress consumers. And to do this, you often have to listen to them and take their views into account, something Microsoft hasn’t seemed to have done.

Microsoft has three core issues here that it did not approach or deal with properly. These three issues are what are greatly contributing to the Xbox One looking like a bad deal. These three things, which the company could have avoided, are what are really angering consumers. Three things Microsoft didn’t take note of — and apparently didn’t ask its consumers and fans enough about.

Why did Microsoft go it alone? Why did it not listen? Why does it not seem to have any idea what we, the buyers, the people with the money, want?

Lack of games, too much living room
The first issue is the lack of games and the whole entertainment side of the console.
Sony’s reveal was all about games. Sure, it did not show the console — and I was very disappointed by how shady it appeared to be about some aspects of the it — but it did not forget its audience: the people who it was broadcasting to.

My sister likes movies and TV and entertainment. She does. The things that Microsoft highlighted that the Xbox One does in the entertainment area of things are probably things my sister could very well use and like. But she doesn’t care about the Xbox One. She didn’t watch the reveal. Why? Because she doesn’t game. It’s not her deal. So, Microsoft, the Xbox One is still a game console. It is an Xbox. It’s part of a gaming brand. It has hardcore gaming capabilities. It’s why people buy the console.

Quantum Break was the most interesting game-related thing Microsoft showed. Which isn’t bad. I can’t wait for it. But this wasn’t even proper gameplay — all we saw was a trailer.

So why were you pushing all of this entertainment crap? Why on Earth were you emphasizing areas of the console and what it does that no one watching cared about? You want to make an all-in-one entertainment device? Go ahead. But just don’t call it an Xbox and market it as a game console at the same time.

The lack of games at the reveal was stupid. Microsoft totally neglected its entire audience and following and tried to convince us other things mattered. But no one cared, Microsoft. We just want games. And that’s what Sony and the PS4 is making sure it will deliver.
So, why aren’t you?

We have an (online) problem
The second issue is the online requirement. How many times did people have to yell and scream and make it clear that they did not want online to be a necessity?

OK, OK, so it isn’t a “constant necessity,” but the Xbox One’s core features still rely on it.
The Xbox One doesn’t have to be constantly connected to the Internet, but it reportedly needs to be connected about once a day in order to keep functioning. This could mean that if the Internet goes down you can still game and do things on it for some time (about 24 hours), but you will need to reconnect it at some point soon to still be able to use it before it shuts off completely.

This isn't a big deal for those who live with stable Internet connections, but what about people who don’t have consistent or constant broadband? Well, they may not be about to use their Xbox One. That it must have an Internet connection to function long-term is not what we, the consumers, wanted. It might not be always online, but it’s as good as. All Microsoft did by making the console like this was reduce people’s confidence in it.

And show that it wasn't listening to its most valuable consumers.

Used game debacle
The third and final main issue is the reported charge for used or borrowed games. You can use a friends game on your console if you are signed in as them, but if you’re not singed in as them and you simply want to borrow a game for a week, you may have to pay a fee. A full-price game fee. So basicall, you have to buy the game yourself.

This is the final straw for many people. It’s the thing that proves just how much Microsoft don’t seem to care. While Microsoft has said used games will still be available and game rentals will still somehow work, not being able to borrow or simply lend games is a ludicrous feature to get rid of. People made it clear months, maybe even years ago, that they did not want restrictions like this. And what has Microsoft done? It has ****ed you. It has ****ed me. It has ****ed the consumer.

Yeah, Microsoft, no one cares about apps on a game console. Where are the games?
It’s almost like Microsoft thought the pros would outweigh the cons, but didn’t it realize everyone was going to be looking at the bad parts of the new console? It’s like the company tried to say “Yeah, it has to have a consistent Internet connection to work, and you have to pay to use a friend’s game, but, hey, look, we have — sports games and entertainment things!” But Microsoft, wake up. No one cares. Nobody gives one ****. No one cares about this “app” and that “app” and this “movie thing” and that “movie thing.” No. One. Cares.

Hey but you know what gamers do care about? Games. We care about games. We care about being able to lend a friend a game for free. We care about being able to game without an Internet connection. We care about the ****ing video games we can play on your ****ing video game console. And basically, everything we, gamers and consumers, care about are things you don’t seem to care about. You seemed to brush these aside or screw up. And it’s hard to have faith in a company like that.

That’s why so many people are pissed. That’s why so many are saying the PS4 is better. That’s why many gamers say the Xbox One is rubbish. Basically, that’s how you, Microsoft, ****ed up the next generation for yourselves.

Take a ****ing bow.

you work for microsoft? no? then Tenure is not the right word.. it is a reference to acedemia and part of a right/title/position so on....

also.. people arent saying ps4 is the better one, they KNOW it is the better one..


and finally.. you sound pretty much like everybody else.. but why not post this to microsoft and not some random game's forum??

Malachi
06-12-2013, 07:46 PM
you work for microsoft? no? then Tenure is not the right word.. it is a reference to acedemia and part of a right/title/position so on....

also.. people arent saying ps4 is the better one, they KNOW it is the better one..


and finally.. you sound pretty much like everybody else.. but why not post this to microsoft and not some random game's forum??

you work for webster? no? then why bother correcting him? You obviously knew what he meant, with your massive brain, so what came out of you correcting him?

also.. there's been quite a few people going on about Xbox being better, even on this forum. Yes they're incorrect and I agree PS4 is better, but there's still quite a lot of people keeping the debate going..

and finally.. you sound pretty much like the bad kind of nerd. You know the kind. The "I'm so cool I'll post my pc specs in my signature, oh and check out my 1337 download speed. This proves that I know more than anyone about computers, and I'll be sure to give my opinion on every single thing to make sure they know it" kind.

And now you'll have some even more arrogant response in 3..2...1...

TBaggins
06-12-2013, 07:47 PM
You obviously did not read the whole thing. Why post this to Microsoft when tons of article writers are doing this already? Also... they don't care...so why have me post it? I am posting my thoughts. Kiss my *** if you dont like it. You dont have to read it, and you dont have to reply. Oh, I thought I would also say that "Tenure" is the term microsoft uses for its customers on the MEMBERSHIP SCREEN. Your a genius.... I'll even throw in the definition of it.

ten·ure [ten-yer] Show IPA
noun

1. the holding of property, especially real property, of a superior in return for services to be rendered.
2. the period or term of holding something.

Duskky
06-12-2013, 07:47 PM
I was a Xbox "Fanboy" till all of this, Sony just appeals so much more right now ( I took the time to read all of this.) Plus a lot of people here in Off-Topic are going to me playing PS4 and well that's enough for me! :D

TBaggins
06-12-2013, 07:49 PM
you work for webster? no? then why bother correcting him? You obviously knew what he meant, with your massive brain, so what came out of you correcting him?

also.. there's been quite a few people going on about Xbox being better, even on this forum. Yes they're incorrect and I agree PS4 is better, but there's still quite a lot of people keeping the debate going..

and finally.. you sound pretty much like the bad kind of nerd. You know the kind. The "I'm so cool I'll post my pc specs in my signature, oh and check out my 1337 download speed. This proves that I know more than anyone about computers, and I'll be sure to give my opinion on every single thing to make sure they know it" kind.

And now you'll have some even more arrogant response in 3..2...1...

A drink for you sir *clap*

TBaggins
06-12-2013, 07:51 PM
you work for microsoft? no? then Tenure is not the right word.. it is a reference to acedemia and part of a right/title/position so on....

also.. people arent saying ps4 is the better one, they KNOW it is the better one..


and finally.. you sound pretty much like everybody else.. but why not post this to microsoft and not some random game's forum??

By the way... I build gaming rigs and sell them on local craigslist (I meet clients at the police station parking lot, before your ignorant bashing me of safety)

I choose to play this on 360 because I'm the only person of my friends circle that does hardcore PC gaming. So dont try that angle either chump.

Shall I post my specs and put you to shame? (Also, nobody cares about internet speeds over 15 down and 2 up.... More then 2 up if you run a server... but those kind of download speeds are T3...at a business like the one I work at. Nobody is going to praise you for it.. so putting it in your sig is a waste of time.

TBaggins
06-12-2013, 07:56 PM
I was a Xbox "Fanboy" till all of this, Sony just appeals so much more right now ( I took the time to read all of this.) Plus a lot of people here in Off-Topic are going to me playing PS4 and well that's enough for me! :D

Totally agree. However, I would rather deal with a systematic hardware failure (Microsoft) and have them give me a new unit, then deal with a worldwide infrastructure failure (Sony) that compromises my real world identity and money. I am leaning towards Sony for the first time in my life... my only worry is - are they going to deliver big with the online community like Xbox always has?

Malachi
06-12-2013, 08:00 PM
Totally agree. However, I would rather deal with a systematic hardware failure (Microsoft) and have them give me a new unit, then deal with a worldwide infrastructure failure (Sony) that compromises my real world identity and money. I am leaning towards Sony for the first time in my life... my only worry is - are they going to deliver big with the online community like Xbox always has?

Well, nobody's identities were stolen from that whole mess. Their credit card information was though, but credit card companies are pretty good about not making you pay for illegal charges. When your xbox craps out on you though, then that's money you really do have to spend to get a new one. There's pros/cons to both, and honestly either system has a chance of crapping out and both systems can be hacked.

I hope Sony can deliver on the online features. Supposedly they're enhancing PS Plus, so we'll just have to wait and see.

TBaggins
06-12-2013, 08:01 PM
Well, nobody's identities were stolen from that whole mess. Their credit card information was though, but credit card companies are pretty good about not making you pay for illegal charges. When your xbox craps out on you though, then that's money you really do have to spend to get a new one.

Touche...........

Duskky
06-12-2013, 08:55 PM
Touche...........

Xbox was hacked a few times but it was always pushed under the rug and Microsoft would say don't worry about it.

Obderiath
06-12-2013, 09:37 PM
Xbox was hacked a few times but it was always pushed under the rug and Microsoft would say don't worry about it.

Did not know, but figured. Everyone guffaws about the PSN problems, but I've had waaaaaay worse crap go down on X-Boxes. Problems that one would not expect from a "superior, paid-membership" service.

The minor inconvenience from the PSN hacking I dealt with ended with Sony being more than apologetic for it and giving EVERYONE, even those completely unaffected by it, LOTS of stuff. Including the paid subscription.

Also to Mirimon, if you're gonna ******, ****** right. Tenure was an appropriate word to use.

Lupis Volk
06-12-2013, 09:39 PM
Did not know, but figured. Everyone guffaws about the PSN problems, but I've had waaaaaay worse crap go down on X-Boxes. Problems that one would not expect from a "superior, paid-membership" service.

The minor inconvenience from the PSN hacking I dealt with ended with Sony being more than apologetic for it and giving EVERYONE, even those completely unaffected by it, LOTS of stuff. Including the paid subscription.

Also to Mirimon, if you're gonna ******, ****** right. Tenure was an appropriate word to use.

The big "hack" wasn't a hack it was an inside job.

PoLeo
06-13-2013, 01:39 AM
The big "hack" wasn't a hack it was an inside job.

Just like 9/11.

ghost_ol3a
06-13-2013, 01:48 AM
Just like 9/11.

indeed
10/char

Terb
06-13-2013, 10:21 AM
and finally.. you sound pretty much like the bad kind of nerd. You know the kind. The "I'm so cool I'll post my pc specs in my signature, oh and check out my 1337 download speed. This proves that I know more than anyone about computers, and I'll be sure to give my opinion on every single thing to make sure they know it" kind.

And now you'll have some even more arrogant response in 3..2...1...

I got a good laugh from that but now I'm disappointed; was hoping to see the response... nothing?

Tzar of kaos
06-13-2013, 11:23 AM
Sony announced that you will have to pay to play online (something that Microsoft do for several years).And Sony will announce the same things that Microsoft did at E3 2013, one day or another...With the downloads,the cloud,streaming,ect...The way we consume games change and will continue that way...Microsoft have a futuristic view,Sony try to live in the past and they will follow Microsoft path'....That doesn't means i'm agree or not but that the way it is....Look back at what happens in the PC games for more than a decade,everything change...

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06-14-2013, 06:41 PM
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