I'm not complaining but other than cosmetic look what reason would I ever have for making a new character if I can just respec my skills at any time and if I really want to use a different weapon I still can because the per weapon level increases wont make or break anything.
What do you guys think about this, will it lead to the starting areas being empty shortly after launch?
Highly doubt the starting area will ever become empty due to stuff like contracts, arkfalls and challenges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syxx
Also I think people high overestimate just how big the game world will be at launch, judging by pursuits we've already seen atleast one third of the current game world.
You want additional load outs other than the first four?Quote:
Originally Posted by Syxx
You want to play with a buddy who just started?
New starter zones in a DLC?
Future DLC customizations options?
You want to look at a female rear inside a guy? Or vice versa.
Or maybe you have a character and your brother who lives with you has a character, and your sister has a character cause you all share an Xbox?
I dunno lots of reasons.
Those really aren't legitimate reasons you would make a second character like most MMO or multiplayer games though, those are all very situational.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buruko
Couldn't have said it better myself Buruko.
I played WoW for over 7 years, I've made new toons just cause I wanted to help new players. I've made new toons just to play with in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syxx
Besides to me if you play a character up using an LMG and Shotguns, and then you get a load out rolling with a Rocket launcher or BMG, would you want to I dunno start playing with Assault rifles at weapon level 1 in the middle of San Fran? Or would you want to make a new character and level that skill up as you play raising your EGO ranking and possibly trying out new time trials or hotspots you skipped with the first character trying to mad bash to the golden 5000 EGO Rating ring...
Did we forget these games were suppose to be fun?
Thank you, also... you are win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock 5amson
No classes,no race differences and no equipment restrictions because of that means all the fun and different play styles can be done on one character.The fact that you don't have a major difference between high and low levels (unlike the mmorpgs) means you don't need to make a new char' to play with newbies.Only real reasons i can think of is,as mentioned,cosmetic or you have done everything and want to start again while waiting for DLC.I could see the serious roleplayers maybe having a set singular loadout on multiple characters for each char's story or personalty.
Only reason i was planning on making an alt was to stick one on the US server but that ain't needed now.
Edit: This is just my opinion by the way,i am in noway saying that others shouldn't make alt's just because i see no point in it (each to there own).
Thanks for the complement :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Buruko
I can honestly remember making two dozen toons on WoW alone.
Getting one char to 5000 on Defiance? That's like trying to do every single WoW achievement on one toon lol.
Dont know if this has been put out there or even brought up but has it been said that you will be able to respec your character whenever you want?
Yeah,at the cost of some scrip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altreas
Ok thank you for the info DJTrig
Actually as you level you find gear only for this class or the other with bonuses. The beta only contrains the newbie part of the very start of the game. so very few people have gotten high enough ego level to start finding this gear some have though. Not to mention not much has been said what else class will effect later in the game and as it evolves with DLC and so on.
Yea, it's been brought up. But see that's the trick, each load out will let you equip a certain number of perks in a combination of your choosing making your own custom class as it were. You can equip and unequip these all day, however maxing out certain perks will require EGO, and re-speccing means having to ditch certain maxed perks in favor of others, which means you effecting one if not possibly two load outs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altreas
So if you wanted to not have to min/max your perks all the time you would need a new character to fill that requirement. That way you have your guy that's an awesome cloaker with high damage skills with load outs for PvP, Grouping, Soloing etc, and then you roll up your Demo guy who loves explosions whether from a BMG or a lovely rocket launcher with his various builds and weapons.
The point is that customization will be something you can explore and making a new character over jacking up your old one will make that much easier.
There is a pursuit to reach 5,000 EGO rating and to max something like 90 perks. If you cannot find a variety of builds from this amount of perks, then you are certainly doing something wrong. Eventually it will be possible to max everything on a single character (expansions notwithstanding of course). Besides, some perks are simply not needed depending on your playing style. The result is that a second character is probably not needed other than to populate a different regional server, which may not be possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buruko
The beta's available world is only 15% the size of what will be available in the final game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munx
Yes, from what i saw in the beta I was able to respec as many times as I wanted. Although you have to have the required amount of scrip to initiate the respec but you can do it when and where you want. I also discovered that the price for respeccing goes up as you advance in EGO rating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altreas
I hope there will be more to the toon creation.There doesn't seem to bee any real benefit to pick one class over the other except for look and a slight gimp on non-starting weapon.The thing I want to see tho is if Archtype is gonna make a difference or is it really just a set of chins.
now i feel kinda stupid because i just answered the question for the 4th or fifth time...and when i posted, Altreas' comment was the last one.
Like Jardian said... The game details on the purchase web sites explain that as you move up your "class" becomes more involved and it sounds like certain weapons only work for certain classes. I also wonder if there could be trade skills soon. It would seem that an engineer would be like an "enchanter" with an ability to build non mod weapon buffs. The rest may soon have trades as well. I would not bet on that but the fact that certain weapons may later require special classes does seem implied in the item descriptions.
honestly, i liked having multiple characters... i get bored of looking at the same character too much...
Dragon's Dogma would only let you have 1 character per save device...that is kinda cruddy IMO but throw in a USB drive and you're good to go lol!!
Ill just be keeping my main wont be switching.
I'm sure a lot of ppl are like that but to me a game becomes a bit of a grind when i stick with one character for two long.. i mean...i haven't played Borderlands 2 in forever because of that "grind feel."Quote:
Originally Posted by KyoKunChan
Source?...thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intamasica
And because of this the starter zones will be very empty a few months in and low level players will struggle on some of the group based stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by KyoKunChan
The respec cost is your current EGO rating x 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xerxes
Contracts will keep every area populated; they are not in the beta, but thanks for guessing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syxx
Nah, I've finished all the missions in the starting area and I've gone back and just randomly helped newbies. Granted, in a larger world, I might do that less often simply because it then becomes a smaller percentage of the total area to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syxx
Contracts are for kill XXXX type enemy. There will be those types in high level areas and low level areas. Also I'm not talking about some EGO 2,000+ person coming back to start area and helping 20-40s that would just annoy me having someone 1 shot all my stuff while I'm trying to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiero Glyph
What I'm saying is there wont be many 0-500's in starting areas playing together.
Weapon scaling is not how you mention it. The higher level weapons offer more customization, not substantially higher damage; this isn't Borderlands. A level 5,000 EGO rating means you have ample perks and equipment, but none of the weapons are substantially better than the starting gear. Also, Arkfalls and other dynamic events will keep different areas populated. Contracts are just one part of this equation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syxx
To Heiro's post..
thats for that explination... i was wondering why i could only put X attachment on X weapon...makes sense.. Ego Weapon Rating of 20 can't get all attachments, makes perfect sense for balancing issues and what not...well atleast for now.
Just myself i like multiple toons for various groups i play in usuallly have a main toon for guild activities and such and one i use to play with family or friends.Some times one to just troll around in pvp with.
This right here. Some families share an xbox and I know if that was the situation for me I wouldn't want my brother/sister/mom/dad playing on my characterQuote:
Originally Posted by Buruko
I think people will create more characters as more races are introduced through the show....
This is me. I'm making a human who is a shotgunner and sniper and an Irathient who is something else...haven't decided yet. Probably AR and pistol until I get a missle launcher or other explosive weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoFetti
Races are strictly cosmetic. Use an outfit with headgear and there is no difference at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoFetti
Initially. Some of the other races actually have a different body frame from humans. At least three of the aliens are very human proportioned though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiero Glyph
Trion is keeping the game very well balanced, so for the sake of PvP you will not see these disproportionate races in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radz
Since i cant create the race i want at the start im gonna have to roll with human, however ill definately have an alt made (with the objective of becoming my main if its not to tedious) if they release the castithans as a playable race, i wanna play an albino alien!
EDIT: do you see my avatar picture?
Irathient with skin color 8 would probably be better than human for what you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frostfour