Attention Developers... You might want to Read This...

I understand your want and need to respond to what you hear a lot of people on the forums speak about.

But...

Games are meant to be fun and enjoyable.

This Game is an open world Adventure Game. With aliens, monsters, thugs, and other players. We have Campaign, co-ops, Arkfalls, PvP, pursuits, and random engagements. Lots to do, well done.

I know that you're trying to appease the crowd with adjustments. But don't forget why we play video games in the first place.

To relax, have fun, be competitive.

We all know what real weapons, & equipment do in real life. So we expect to see a resemblance of that in the games we play. We want to be able to do things we can't in real life. I.E. blowing up people with rockets, running them over with cars, & sniping enemies are just a few.

So when a game doesn't match those expectations, well... It just isn't fun.

Regardless of what the feedback is. You need to realize that most of these players aren't your typical PvP. If they were, they'd be swallowed in Halo, Call of Duty, or ARM4. They're RPGers.

With that being said...

Gamers want to feel important, powerful & respected.

A sniper headshot, should kill...
A rocket should obliterate...
A automatic gun should shred...
A car should kill...
Enemies should die easily...

Difficulty should be increased with a smart AI enemy & lots of them. Not Enemy Hit Points.

Honestly, the only time in the game that I've shot a gun and been impressed and was like, Yeah take that! Was when I used some of your Power/Special Weapons.


There's a Reason why people LOVED games like, God of War, Batman Arkham City, & Halo


Because they KICKED ENEMIES BUTTS!!! In those games. And smiled the whole time, while doing it.


And Message to all players. Defiance IS NOT an MMO! This is a SHOOTER! Get your facts straight!

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

A sniper headshot, should kill...
A rocket should obliterate...
A automatic gun should shred...
A car should kill...
Enemies should die easily...

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These things happen already in the game.

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Originally Posted by Nefarious

These things happen already in the game.

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What game? Lol

Show me one shot kill with any gun in your inventory. Let alone with 10 players beside you.

Yes guns, cars, and violence kills fast in RL. If you want that in a game to have fun and relax play the GTA games or Saints Row.

People also want challenge, it's not fun to just flip the I win button on and be done with the game. MMO games are becoming easy mode and it's not just fun, I say bring on the vulge, put more Nim type bosses in the game, make the arkfalls harder. Revolting Hellbugs is the best arkfall in terms of challenge, the others are simple and easy mode to win. Give the players something to really work for and team up on.

Though one thing that would be fun if you want more realism. Have the cars show damage and blow up when hitting the trees or blowing your suspension out when landing off jumping off a mountain .... why the hell can a challenger go off road mountain climbing anyway?

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Originally Posted by Bugs

Yes guns, cars, and violence kills fast in RL. If you want that in a game to have fun and relax play the GTA games or Saints Row.

People also want challenge, it's not fun to just flip the I win button on and be done with the game. MMO games are becoming easy mode and it's not just fun, I say bring on the vulge, put more Nim type bosses in the game, make the arkfalls harder. Revolting Hellbugs is the best arkfall in terms of challenge, the others are simple and easy mode to win. Give the players something to really work for and team up on.

Though one thing that would be fun if you want more realism. Have the cars show damage and blow up when hitting the trees or blowing your suspension out when landing off jumping off a mountain .... why the hell can a challenger go off road mountain climbing anyway?

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Oh I love a challenge don't get me wrong.

If you beat me, I'll accept it.

Mistake number one for every developer...

Substitute diffifficulty with Massive Hit Points and Slaying Weapons instead of Enemies AI, and massive numbers to oppose.

Difficulty should be increased with a smart AI enemy & lots of them. Not Enemy Hit Points.

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

What game? Lol

Show me one shot kill with any gun in your inventory. Let alone with 10 players beside you.

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I have a sniper x4.0 to crit hits. And that adds up from an single roll of x1.15 and a blue laced extender thats x1.15

And that's more then enough to one shot enemies with a headshot. And if not because of some of the special class ones are a bit tougher...well that's where perks come in.

Hunters stance + shadow strike + plus the x4.0 crit sniper kills dark matter or tankers to the face in one hit.

I don't understand how we can crit shielded ppl tbh. Wouldn't the shields like stop it before it hits their face? :confused:

Why is it all these post contain "We would like..." its YOU that want it people need to stop this crap

You do understand that if you get you list of 5 the AI will also get it so while you might enjoy being killed driving to an ark fall i wouldn't enjoy being randomly sniped by a raider. So i wonder if you want all this whats the point of having a shield then lets remove that to make one guy happy.

If you want realism pick up Arma 2 or Arma 3 Alpha that will give you everything you want and more

I was using my sniper rifle to one-shot mutants this morning in Mount Tam for the contract. I have also popped the heads off of Mattocks and taken out Raiders with head shots. I think anything above these all have shields and will not one-shot.

Both single shot sniper rifles and multiple shotguns can do in excess of 5000 damage per trigger pull which is enough to one shot many things, including other players. Many players and enemies have defenses set up to protect themselves from that however so it's not going to work in every scenario. If it did, this game wouldn't be a lot of fun as weapon choice would be meaningless.

Single player games work well with building a Mary Sue. MMOs do not.

Hell my HP-6 pistol kills Raiders and 99ers in one to a couple hits and a couple to a few on Darkmatter.

My ARs have no problem eather and they are pretty basic.

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Originally Posted by Jinto

Why is it all these post contain "We would like..." its YOU that want it people need to stop this crap

You do understand that if you get you list of 5 the AI will also get it so while you might enjoy being killed driving to an ark fall i wouldn't enjoy being randomly sniped by a raider. So i wonder if you want all this whats the point of having a shield then lets remove that to make one guy happy.

If you want realism pick up Arma 2 or Arma 3 Alpha that will give you everything you want and more

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That may be true for a sniper attack. But what about a Rocket? A 4000lb 65mph car running you over?

We're not wearing a Death Star shield here.

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Originally Posted by Conneri

Both single shot sniper rifles and multiple shotguns can do in excess of 5000 damage per trigger pull which is enough to one shot many things, including other players. Many players and enemies have defenses set up to protect themselves from that however so it's not going to work in every scenario. If it did, this game wouldn't be a lot of fun as weapon choice would be meaningless.

Single player games work well with building a Mary Sue. MMOs do not.

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By yourself perhaps, get 5 people standing next to you, you'll have to do 15,000 points of damage to drop someone.

As a former professional soldier I'd say a realistic shooter game wouldn't be what most people think of as fun at all. As with most MMO's I've played the AI is not super, so more hitpoints and damage is a cheap way to make up for it in order to make things more challenging. More and weaker enemies would work though, especially since it always seems weird to hit an enemy stronghold and it's only 2-3 enemies that react to your gunshots.

Oh, and I'd kill to get my hands on one of these shields we have in game. With one of those I could have been a tourist in some of the worst parts of Syria or Afghanistan now without too much worry. I'd have to look out for cloaked people wielding sawn-off double-barrelled grenadelaunchers though :O

I agree that TTKs are far too RPG and not enough shooter. Back in alpha they doubled shield and health points for every mob in the game. Prior to that the PvE felt a lot smoother and flowed better.

We need TTKs more in-line with shooters. The bullet sponge stuff isn't very fun, especially with semi-automatic weapons.

We need weaker but smarter enemies and more of them. Probably need to buff their damage too.

Except the Volge, leave them alone.

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Originally Posted by Cavadus

I agree that TTKs are far too RPG and not enough shooter. Back in alpha they doubled shield and health points for every mob in the game. Prior to that the PvE felt a lot smoother and flowed better.

We need TTKs more in-line with shooters. The bullet sponge stuff isn't very fun, especially with semi-automatic weapons.

We need weaker but smarter enemies and more of them. Probably need to buff their damage too.

Except the Volge, leave them alone.

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And Im all for enemies we have to team up on, IE Volge.

But shooting a un shielded bandit in the head 12 times is ridiculous lol. Some of these guys have 15,000-30,000 HP or better.

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

What game? Lol

Show me one shot kill with any gun in your inventory. Let alone with 10 players beside you.

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I'm guessing you've never pulled off a sniper headshot? A bolt action sniper rifle can kill any non elite human in the game with one headshot even without Overcharge and it can take out several elites (99er Goldrushers for example) with Overcharge. That's my primary mode of solo play.

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Originally Posted by Satsuki

I'm guessing you've never pulled off a sniper headshot? A bolt action sniper rifle can kill any non elite human in the game with one headshot even without Overcharge and it can take out several elites (99er Goldrushers for example) with Overcharge. That's my primary mode of solo play.

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I don't play solo. My friends list is full. So Im grouped up. And with 3 friends standing in the area, it makes it tougher to kill. Let alone with 64 strangers running about.

The MMO increases difficulty with more people around. And you're forced to have the extra people & difficulty. Ergo, causing the weapons compensation issue.

I personally want more PvP maps and game types. There is too little maps and game types for this game to last. The PvP is getting very stale. Adding 1 more map is not going to cut it. There should be atleast 3 new maps with a new game type. If you take a look at all other shooters there are SEVERAL maps to choose from with an ample choice for game types.

Please Trion include more in your PvP, not just 1 new map.

I love this game alot, and Trion is doing a great job imo. The nerfs (changes) Trion is bringing in, is perfect; Balance.

A MMO where you 1hko most.. lol wut??? Are people here serious? I'd say, this is the first game of its kind, other MMO's your grinding for who knows how long, before you can even advance on the map or get to a 'over powered' feeling.
Can you imagine us running through 1hitting everything cuz its a sniper or a RL? I wouldnt even concidered for 1 sec, picking up a useless game like that.
If we should be able to 1hko enemies, a skitterling should kill us in 2 hits, everything else should kill us in 1 hit.

'A sniper headshot, should kill...
A rocket should obliterate...
A automatic gun should shred...
A car should kill...
Enemies should die easily...'
..Any gamer looking forward to said above, just tried a MMO for the first time.

Yeah almost forgot.. This game is on 'Legendary difficulty' compared to halo.. isnt it? XD

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

I don't play solo. My friends list is full. So Im grouped up. And with 3 friends standing in the area, it makes it tougher to kill. Let alone with 64 strangers running about.

The MMO increases difficulty with more people around. And you're forced to have the extra people & difficulty. Ergo, causing the weapons compensation issue.

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I play solo but I also play in groups often. And in almost every Co-Op, Volge Siege, killing 99ers for the weekly,we play like this: Two of us sit in the back with Snipers one shotting grunts while the other two wade in on the big guys. I have litteraly never been in a situation where I cannot end a generic raider, 99er or even Dark Matter Enforcers and Snipers with a clean headshot.

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Originally Posted by TRMC606

A MMO where you 1hko most.. lol wut??? Are people here serious?

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The game is a shooter; unshielded trash mobs should only take 2-4 bullets to bring down IMO.

Counter that with better AI and buffed damage output.

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Originally Posted by Jinto

Why is it all these post contain "We would like..." its YOU that want it people need to stop this crap

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This exactly^^

So devs, please don't listen to that guy :)

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Originally Posted by Jinto

You do understand that if you get you list of 5 the AI will also get it so while you might enjoy being killed driving to an ark fall i wouldn't enjoy being randomly sniped by a raider. So i wonder if you want all this whats the point of having a shield then lets remove that to make one guy happy.

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There's no real downside to the A.I. having them. The only reason someone would consider it bad is if they suck.

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Originally Posted by TRMC606

I love this game alot, and Trion is doing a great job imo. The nerfs (changes) Trion is bringing in, is perfect; Balance.

A MMO where you 1hko most.. lol wut??? Are people here serious? I'd say, this is the first game of its kind, other MMO's your grinding for who knows how long, before you can even advance on the map or get to a 'over powered' feeling.
Can you imagine us running through 1hitting everything cuz its a sniper or a RL? I wouldnt even concidered for 1 sec, picking up a useless game like that.
If we should be able to 1hko enemies, a skitterling should kill us in 2 hits, everything else should kill us in 1 hit.

'A sniper headshot, should kill...
A rocket should obliterate...
A automatic gun should shred...
A car should kill...
Enemies should die easily...'
..Any gamer looking forward to said above, just tried a MMO for the first time.

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Your forgetting something TRMC. This isnt an MMO. Its a TPS with MMO elements.

Take the MMO aspects out of it. And its at best just an average TPS. You have only got to look at the PVP population that should tell you that PVP is bad on this game. Its the same people playing on XBOX all the time. Maybe on weekends a few new people play intending to get some pursuits done. But if they make it through the whole game, You can bet they wont play it again.

They should have left the PVP out of this game, Even the CO-OP maps are pointless, They can all be solo'd using a white shield and a white gun.

There is no difficulty to this game at all, Thats why its dying fast. And that will be its downfall. There are actually people complaining that the Volge need to be nerferd, I actually laughed when i read that. The Volge are easy. They can also be solo'd.

PVP, Its not about difficulty, Its about who can use the cheapest guns to get the easiest kills. There is no skill to it at all. The only way PVP will be saved, Is if they remove EGO powers and have different weapons for PVP to PVE.

Skitterlings should kill you in 2 hits, The game should be difficult to even travel on foot. But it isnt and is basically a childs shooter.

This game is in the same vein as Borderlands, not Call of Duty.

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

I understand your want and need to respond to what you hear a lot of people on the forums speak about.

But...

Games are meant to be fun and enjoyable.

This Game is an open world Adventure Game. With aliens, monsters, thugs, and other players. We have Campaign, co-ops, Arkfalls, PvP, pursuits, and random engagements. Lots to do, well done.

I know that you're trying to appease the crowd with adjustments. But don't forget why we play video games in the first place.

To relax, have fun, be competitive.

We all know what real weapons, & equipment do in real life. So we expect to see a resemblance of that in the games we play. We want to be able to do things we can't in real life. I.E. blowing up people with rockets, running them over with cars, & sniping enemies are just a few.

So when a game doesn't match those expectations, well... It just isn't fun.

Regardless of what the feedback is. You need to realize that most of these players aren't your typical PvP. If they were, they'd be swallowed in Halo, Call of Duty, or ARM4. They're RPGers.

With that being said...

Gamers want to feel important, powerful & respected.

A sniper headshot, should kill...
A rocket should obliterate...
A automatic gun should shred...
A car should kill...
Enemies should die easily...

Difficulty should be increased with a smart AI enemy & lots of them. Not Enemy Hit Points.

Honestly, the only time in the game that I've shot a gun and been impressed and was like, Yeah take that! Was when I used some of your Power/Special Weapons.


There's a Reason why people LOVED games like, God of War, Batman Arkham City, & Halo


Because they KICKED ENEMIES BUTTS!!! In those games. And smiled the whole time, while doing it.

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I completely disagree, I'm sick of the devolpers messing with the guns leave them how they are and concentrate on the important stuff.

Like the things that I'v covered in this link here. http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...ke-the-Tv-show.

Stayin aliiiiiiiiiiiiive!

This game is NOT an MMO people. Groups of 4, Solo Bunkers, and playing with 32-64 other players doesn't make a game an MMO.

GTA V is going to have 32-64 players, with gang set ups.

Guess that's an MMO too.

Wow... Lol

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Originally Posted by Giotto

Snipped for space saving but it's saying "this game should be harder".

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Yeah, games should have a "challenge" (highlighted because certain difficulties are different for everyone ... eg, I found Dark Souls incredibly easy)....

HOWEVER....

Saying that's why a game is dying is absolute camel excrement.

There are games out there with extreme challenges (take full loot pvp, perma death kinda games) that people flood other game forums with asking for just that and yet those games are about as popular as an axe murderer on a blind date.

People bleat on about wanting difficulty in the MMO's/RPG's/Farmville's that they play yet when a game appears offering that challenge they don't want it anymore.

Basically, what i'm trying in a round about way to say is, people don't know what the hell the want.

They know exactly what game a is yet spend more time on the forums asking for it to be more like game b than they do sodding off and playing game b.

I'll take generic MMO's as an example.

Since WoW popularised the genre (let's face it, before that game came out there weren't millions of us in Meridian, UO or EQ) we've had an influx of MMO's that tried to take that very formula.

WoW took everything from all the games that came before it and made it "accessible" (dirty word for some people) to "casual players" (another one of those dirty words). Some people live under the misguided impression that WoW was once "hardcore" to which I usually point and laugh at them.

However, I digress....

A new MMO comes out, hotbars, some generic fantasy setting, half assed story ... the usual.

Folk say "it's the next big thing", "it's totally new and different from anything that came before it" yada yada yada....

Now look at that games forums, people that played Rift will know what I mean. Folk spent ages asking for features that other games have yet weren't happy when those features came.

Gamers have no clue what they want. The player base asks to be listened to yet most of the time the things they want would kill a game faster than speaking killed Katie Prices personality.

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

A sniper headshot, should kill...
A rocket should obliterate...
A automatic gun should shred...
A car should kill...
Enemies should die easily...

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You should be able to remove mods from a weapon without destroying the mods or the weapon.

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Originally Posted by whiskeytangofoxtrot

this game is not an mmo people. Groups of 4, solo bunkers, and playing with 32-64 other players doesn't make a game an mmo.

Gta v is going to have 32-64 players, with gang set ups.

Guess that's an mmo too.

Wow... Lol

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1 - I'm blind!


2 - What would be your classification of an MMO? I ask because this is really all I could find, seeing as how there is not a Merriam-Webster entry...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive...er_online_game

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Originally Posted by Maitreakow

1 - I'm blind!


2 - What would be your classification of an MMO? I ask because this is really all I could find, seeing as how there is not a Merriam-Webster entry...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive...er_online_game

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Lol. That pretty much sums it up. Hundreds of players. Thousands accessible in one game server.

64 is a lot... But not Massive.

And other REAL MMOs, you group up with large parties.

This is the most antisocial, social game ever.

But look at the game description. It even says Shooter. Not MMORPG, or MMOFPS. Or even MMOTPS, in this case.

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

This is the most antisocial, social game ever.

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I would agree with this comment... that is, BEFORE I joined up with a very active clan.

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Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p

I would agree with this comment... that is, BEFORE I joined up with a very active clan.

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^^^ THIS!

If you feel the social aspect is missing do something about it. There are some great clans out there doing what they can to improve the social aspects of the game. Does the chat feature suck and need help? Yes. Should that be your excuse for not trying? No.

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

What game? Lol

Show me one shot kill with any gun in your inventory. Let alone with 10 players beside you.

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I do that with my snipers all the time :) Headshots, mostly on Raiders and 99rs.

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Originally Posted by drackiller

I do that with my snipers all the time :) Headshots, mostly on Raiders and 99rs.

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Yup BAS, SAS (for some raiders), Courier, Nano Fragger, Big Boomer...

Well, for all of you out there on your podium preaching about how this is NOT an MMO, perhaps you should re-visit you're local retailer and see how this game is marketed. Regardless of what you're personal opinions of it are, it is sold as an MMO shooter. That is what the stores call it, that is what Trion calls it, and if it is anything less, then we have a clear case of false advertising. More over, I think it is you people who do not understand what an MMO is. Massive is not a set term. It does not mean you have to have more then 100,000 or a million players on a single server. You know what makes a game an MMO, the company calling it an MMO, nothing more, nothing less. If you dont agree with the company, thats you're problem for spending you're money on them.

Next, as far as the difficulty rating, I understand a few of you people out there are die hard shooter freaks that compete in Halo tournaments and large CoD competitions but for the rest of us, we dont quite carry you're level of skill. I have a full friends list as well, and NO ONE on it, including the Ego 5000 people can solo a Volge emergency. You sir are a god if you are doing that on the regular, but none the less, you are among a very very select group of a few people. Most of us could never even contemplate that. The difficulty rating is just fine where it is. Any harder and there will only be 20 people playing this game.

Another thing, you people honestly show how little you understand of video game programming. You cant just go in an increase the A.I. of the enemies. That takes an entire coding upgrade that may or may not even be compatible with the processing power of the game itself. Yes, you're high end PC's may be able to handle this but what about the 100,000's of us who play on the consoles that could NEVER pump out the power needed for what you want. Not everyone has mommy and daddy to purchase a 5000$ gaming PC so we can play video games. Think and educate yourselves before you speak.

So in closing, what really needs to be done is people need to check their attitude before making posts. YOU are not the center of the universe and the game or company does not tailor itself to you're individual wants. Keep in mind, you are you're own person, and no one else is you, not everyone will have the same skill sets or ambitions that you have, and just because they do not cater to you does not make them wrong. If you feel the game is too easy, then might I suggest you go find a more challenging game, or go play professionally. But always remember, what might make a game better for you could very well ruin it for everyone else. And contrary to what you're mommy always told you, as an individual you are not that important. And for the record, the you I am speaking of pertains to no one specifically, and everyone generally.

I am only a so-so shooter and I have been soloing Volge since EGO 3500 or so. That being said I do not feel they need a buff. What I WOULD like to see if a buff to the rest of the opponents; not up to Volge level perhaps, but perhaps make them a bit more of a challenge. I should NOT be able to walk into a camp of Raiders and wax every one of them without a need of seeking cover or even using my EGO power in some cases.

Admittedly I can only do this with one of my SAWs, but that is also why I feel the SAW nerf is a needed thing. Just hope they do not go overboard and only bring it down to a sane level; not with the other LMGs, but with the other top weapons of their respective class.

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

And Message to all players. Defiance IS NOT an MMO! This is a SHOOTER! Get your facts straight!

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Defiance is a MMO shooter. You seem to be confusing MMO (massive multiplayer online) with MMORPG (massive multiplayer online roleplaying game). Defiance is a massive multiplayer game (with guns!), so yep, it's a MMO. Just helping you get your own facts straight.

A lot of folks seem to be assuming the game should be like a MMORPG tho', and it's nothing of the kind. It doesn't have all the encompassing tropes of a roleplaying game because it isn't one. If folks want a MMORPG, they should go and play one. Trion's other game RIFT is a halfway decent MMORPG and it's free.