Defiance worth buying?

Hey everyone,

Well, to start off: This thread must have been posted a dozen of times, but I just really want to know. I never played the beta's but the gameplay looks so solid and cool to play. I also like that there are ragdoll physics in the game. I just wonder, is this true?

Also i watched this whole video: http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/02/20...-with-defiance


1. Is the gameplay fun and does it keep you hooked long enough to get you 50 euros (60 bucks) out of this game?
2. Is the story entertaining enough to play through all of it?
3. How are the glitches, bugs, freezes and latency?
4. How is leveling? Do you get alot of loot and upgrades/perks ?

I really like Borderlands and I also played a couple MMO's so I kinda understand what the game is, and its really like it. A shooter MMO. But 50 euro's is alot of money.

I hope you guys help me out here. And thanks in advance!

Elite_T91

P.S: Sorry for my bad English

Let me put it this way. I have a friend who doesn't play anything that isn't a shooter, and hates MMOs. He hated the stats of borderlands.

He pre-ordered Defiance after playing the beta.

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Originally Posted by Elite_T91

1. Is the gameplay fun and does it keep you hooked long enough to get you 50 euros (60 bucks) out of this game?
2. Is the story entertaining enough to play through all of it?
3. How are the glitches, bugs, freezes and latency?
4. How is leveling? Do you get alot of loot and upgrades/perks ?

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So I will do my best to help you with your 4 questions.

1) Asking if the gameplay is good is very hard to answer because it falls on personal opinions. Depending on if you get it for a console or the PC might also be a good deciding factor for you; do you like playing on your PC or console? The PC is your standard WASD keys with shift to run, ect. Near the start of the game you get a vehicle to help you traverse the world of Defiance which is very fun, the vehicles were very touchy in regards to you running into something like a pothole and your vehicle does a 180 or something like that. The missions are also fun to do so yes I say the gameplay is fun however I did not dabble with the PVP that much in the PS3 beta.

2) Again opinions, the story starts off pretty cliche but I am positive that they story will pick up as the TV show starts up too. And take it from me, I love my stories in MMOs so this was also a big deciding factor for me as well.

3) I did not really encounter THAT many bugs or glitches, the chat system was not working for me in the PS3 beta. I felt the grenades were also throwing too low or too high from where you wanted them to go. I felt that your character starts off with too little health but that is again just my opinion. They fixed a lot of stuff from the PC beta from what I could see.

4) Leveling is standard MMO style; you do missions, you get exp, you do arkfall events, you get exp, you kill mobs, you get exp. The only one I am unsure of is PVP, I do not know if you get exp for winning/losing in a PVP match so someone else will need to answer that. "Do you get a lot of loot and upgrades/perks?" Well you can get weapons and mods from missions, some mobs drop weapons and what not so that is pretty normal in an MMO, mods do help you keep a certain a lot longer then a game like WoW where you could find an awesome staff or sword in a dungeon but then return the quest to the NPC and they give you a slightly better sword with slightly better stats. Perks, I assume you are talking about the ego grid where you invest points, are also standard where you get 1 point per level up but each skill in that grid can be upgraded up to 3 times I believe and each time you want to upgrade a skill that you already got then the points needed will increase. Say you go with cloak as your main ability, you level up to 2 and you can't upgrade cloak again because now you need 2 ego points so when you hit level 3 you will have the 2 points needed to upgrade the skill again.

All in all this game has great potential and if yo like TPS (third person shooters) then I say you will like this game because a long with the lore you will find in the game there is also the TV show coming out, unless it does not air in the Uk or other places which i think it does.
Sorry if this was not exactly helpful but I did try to help.

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Originally Posted by Xannidel

So I will do my best to help you with your 4 questions.

1) Asking if the gameplay is good is very hard to answer because it falls on personal opinions. Depending on if you get it for a console or the PC might also be a good deciding factor for you; do you like playing on your PC or console? The PC is your standard WASD keys with shift to run, ect. Near the start of the game you get a vehicle to help you traverse the world of Defiance which is very fun, the vehicles were very touchy in regards to you running into something like a pothole and your vehicle does a 180 or something like that. The missions are also fun to do so yes I say the gameplay is fun however I did not dabble with the PVP that much in the PS3 beta.

2) Again opinions, the story starts off pretty cliche but I am positive that they story will pick up as the TV show starts up too. And take it from me, I love my stories in MMOs so this was also a big deciding factor for me as well.

3) I did not really encounter THAT many bugs or glitches, the chat system was not working for me in the PS3 beta. I felt the grenades were also throwing too low or too high from where you wanted them to go. I felt that your character starts off with too little health but that is again just my opinion. They fixed a lot of stuff from the PC beta from what I could see.

4) Leveling is standard MMO style; you do missions, you get exp, you do arkfall events, you get exp, you kill mobs, you get exp. The only one I am unsure of is PVP, I do not know if you get exp for winning/losing in a PVP match so someone else will need to answer that. "Do you get a lot of loot and upgrades/perks?" Well you can get weapons and mods from missions, some mobs drop weapons and what not so that is pretty normal in an MMO, mods do help you keep a certain a lot longer then a game like WoW where you could find an awesome staff or sword in a dungeon but then return the quest to the NPC and they give you a slightly better sword with slightly better stats. Perks, I assume you are talking about the ego grid where you invest points, are also standard where you get 1 point per level up but each skill in that grid can be upgraded up to 3 times I believe and each time you want to upgrade a skill that you already got then the points needed will increase. Say you go with cloak as your main ability, you level up to 2 and you can't upgrade cloak again because now you need 2 ego points so when you hit level 3 you will have the 2 points needed to upgrade the skill again.

All in all this game has great potential and if yo like TPS (third person shooters) then I say you will like this game because a long with the lore you will find in the game there is also the TV show coming out, unless it does not air in the Uk or other places which i think it does.
Sorry if this was not exactly helpful but I did try to help.

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No its very helpfull, and thanks for the fast and long reply. (ChaosOnex also thanks that gives me a nice idea) Did you guys preorder the game already? It's not that i'm concerned that i'm not gonna like the game. I just wanna be sure it's entertaining enough to keep me hooked for a long while. Thats why i asked if the story is fun, because i read its lasts for 15-20 hours.

So is it like other MMO's that if i have a better weapon i get a slightly advantage over my enemy?

Also, wanna play it on PC, because I play everything on pc.

I say it's worth the money, especially if you are able to watch the SyFy show that is going to go along with it. In that sense it really is the first of it's kind. If you don't care about the show It was a pretty fun game. I found the game play easy to learn and and such and most of the events were fun. As for glitches and Bugs, I only played Beta so I encountered them but it was Beta so it was expected. Also not sure about perks and drops, apparently they had a lot of the loot dropping disabled for Beta (At least the one I was in)

All in all I think it's completely worth it, but AI have also been looking forward to this game since it's been announced so... Slightly biased.

P.S. Your English is fine XD

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Originally Posted by Elite_T91

Hey everyone,

Well, to start off: This thread must have been posted a dozen of times, but I just really want to know. I never played the beta's but the gameplay looks so solid and cool to play. I also like that there are ragdoll physics in the game. I just wonder, is this true?

Also i watched this whole video: http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/02/20...-with-defiance


1. Is the gameplay fun and does it keep you hooked long enough to get you 50 euros (60 bucks) out of this game?
2. Is the story entertaining enough to play through all of it?
3. How are the glitches, bugs, freezes and latency?
4. How is leveling? Do you get alot of loot and upgrades/perks ?

I really like Borderlands and I also played a couple MMO's so I kinda understand what the game is, and its really like it. A shooter MMO. But 50 euro's is alot of money.

I hope you guys help me out here. And thanks in advance!

Elite_T91

P.S: Sorry for my bad English

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1) it's as good or better than other games being offered at the same price, really hard to tell here, not knowing your tastes or what you consider "worth" $60. But there's no sub so thats always a plus for me!

2) Didnt get far enough in the story, but it seemed entertaining enough. I really want to see what the group missions offer.

3) there was one major bug that I encountered in beta (using decoy and falling through the geometry) but latency was fine, no freezes, no crashes. Felt smooth.

4) As far as the leveling goes, its not really a situation where you get significantly more powerful or get massively more powerful gear as you level (like WoW) than where you start out, at least from what I saw. It's more of a gentle incline up

My opinion, yes. Here is how I usually rate a game. I pay 49.99 for a single player game and get around 30-60 hours of time. Am I going to get that out of defiance. Yes, I can see me playing for at least a month or two, maybe longer. That is money's worth for me.

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Originally Posted by Elite_T91

1. Is the gameplay fun and does it keep you hooked long enough to get you 50 euros (60 bucks) out of this game?

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Game play is Different. Does seem a cross between various games - Halo, Gears of War and Borderlands in my opinion. Its tough to say really based upon what they've released, but I could see the content getting very repetitive very easily. Most of the Side Missions are just a "Gateway" to an already existing Open World Event. The only difference is that you're given EXP and a Reward for going and doing it rather than the standard EXP from doing it anyway.

I'm hoping this isn't the case further on in the game, but if you've already done them prior to the Side mission repeating them can just be a bore.

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Originally Posted by Elite_T91

2. Is the story entertaining enough to play through all of it?

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If I'm honest I didn't really get what was going on in the Story from the Beginning.. Not enough of a Tutorial (And when there was the important parts it lacked). With the same Generic Voice overs for Accepting Quests and such it can again be a bit repetitive. I was confused as to what was going on in the beginning and was a bit tired of being a Man Slave to everyone in the Cinematic.

But again I'm sure the Main story line took me to places I had already done before in a "non quest" style event and it just made the whole map feel reused and abused before it had a chance to sink in.

Personally I can see it evolving but from what they gave us in the Beta I personally wasn't hooked to the Story Line or felt like there was anything interesting going on. I was more interested in Blowing stuff up and trying to find unique events.

I did also see there was a distinct lack of Mutants after you went past a certain part of the game, and it felt like I was just fighting Hellbugs and the Bandit people.

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Originally Posted by Elite_T91

3. How are the glitches, bugs, freezes and latency?

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Wasn't really that bad in all honesty. For a Beta I've had worse. There were a few issues here and there but no specifics that I can really remember. Did seem to be a bit Jumpy and the Phasing didn't work all that well at times and we'd sometimes be split up for the most random reasons.

Also we did have some problems with PvP and queueing however this could have been server related.

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Originally Posted by Elite_T91

4. How is leveling? Do you get alot of loot and upgrades/perks ?

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Levelling isn't really levelling, you just run around and kill stuff. Most the time I forgot about Ego's and they seemed pretty useless because you could only have one or two equipped.. So honestly I just left them be and did the game without it.

Upgrades and Perks aren't really amazing because they're limited. I found there to be a lot of "Melee" ego's but a distinct lack of Melee weapons. Wouldn't mind there being more added because that crazy Fist was pretty awesome!

Weapons.. Seem very... Limited.. All the same stats, no variation (Although this may change I'm not sure) but it all seemed to be about the Modding. I was using a gun under ego 100 and was coming close to top on the DPS in events and such. All me and our group used was an LMG. Fastest Firing with Most bullets you can just mow down things rather than faffing about with a shotgun.

Seems very limited as to what weapon is good when you have Hellbugs who take something like 1% damage unless they're hit in their vulnerable points. Really makes choosing your weapons pointless because unless you have something that can hit it in the right place enough times and fast enough you'll be sitting there all day trying to kill a Hellbug Monarch. How people on the Consoles play this I have no idea.


All in all yes its a good game, I enjoyed it and preordered and I'd quite like to get on now. But I'm still very worried about the longevity of the game and I think I'm going to get bored of things quite easily if there's not much of a Challenge. I'm an old school Vanilla Player who Loves 40 man raids where Clans work together, not Open world events which are a walk in the park. If they add more PvE and larger groups (As it is an MMO after all) I'll be happy.

I am worried about the "Console Port" Feeling, as it really does seem to lack basic movement features / key binds and such. Really hoping they'll make it more PC Friendly than a Console Menu feel for it all. 5 Menu's just to accept an invite to a friend and pressing ESC -> Hold Space for an Extra Menu?? What's that all about? Why can't you combine it into one Menu without all these extra tasks?

^^ All personal opinions, I'm sure people may disagree but It needs work to keep people hooked else I have a feeling its going to become one of those games you stop playing after a few months, much like Rift was.

If you enjoy jumping into a shooter to pass the time, for an hour or two, the dynamic events are great, there's always something to do.

If you like story, there's a long mission string that give you the same length as any main single player game would.

This game really gives you both for the same cost.

I usually finish a basic shooter in 8-10 hours and don't usually do a replay, even if there are achievements(Red Faction Armageddon anyone?). I've easily put in those 8-10 hours in one day of beta, there's just always something new to do, and I didn't even leave the first main area on the last beta weekend.

Also, factor in the DLC updates, 10$ every 2 months (or 40 for the year) gets you new content.

I'm just glad there's no "go here, kill 20 guys, loot 5 items and return them to me" type quests, I really hate those in MMORPGs.

worth the money. don't expect more. and you will be amazed when finds something more.

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Originally Posted by Elite_T91

Hey everyone,

Well, to start off: This thread must have been posted a dozen of times, but I just really want to know. I never played the beta's but the gameplay looks so solid and cool to play. I also like that there are ragdoll physics in the game. I just wonder, is this true?

Also i watched this whole video: http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/02/20...-with-defiance


1. Is the gameplay fun and does it keep you hooked long enough to get you 50 euros (60 bucks) out of this game?
2. Is the story entertaining enough to play through all of it?
3. How are the glitches, bugs, freezes and latency?
4. How is leveling? Do you get alot of loot and upgrades/perks ?

I really like Borderlands and I also played a couple MMO's so I kinda understand what the game is, and its really like it. A shooter MMO. But 50 euro's is alot of money.

I hope you guys help me out here. And thanks in advance!

Elite_T91

P.S: Sorry for my bad English

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The game is fun for the money I believe. I probably would not have purchased it if it had a monthly subscription.

1. You mentioned you liked Borderlands. Well I loved both Borderlands 1 and 2 on PC (DLC only for 1) and this plays exactly like it. Even the vendors have Marcus' Deal of the Day type special. I think you can play this game enough to get your moneys worth out of it.

2. I found the story so far kind of average. It's not really pulling me in. I've only gotten up to the part where I have rescued Von Bach so if it gets better I do not know.

3. I have not experienced any and crashed once during BW3. This is on PC.

4. The main mission line gives loot, the side missions do on occasion. Killing the mini bosses and doing arkfalls do as well.

5. Also since you didn't ask, all the classes are the same except for when you fist start off. The differing professions just start off with a weapon you will most likely play with. You can master them all if you wanted. And a starting outfit you like.

Like I said, no sub makes this game playable for me since I can get a few months entertainment out of it and if I like it as I go on, I'll buy store currency much like I have in GW2 and MWO.

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Originally Posted by ironhands

I'm just glad there's no "go here, kill 20 guys, loot 5 items and return them to me" type quests, I really hate those in MMORPGs.

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Problem is that has only been changed on the surface, essentially its still the same "Go here, Help the Farmers -> Protect the Farmers!" or Defending Missions and such, although go here and kill X isn't there, its essentially the same thing.

Hoping in the Zones which haven't been seen the Mini Side Quests are actually going to be different to the Static World Events you can find all over the place. Did them numerous times before being able to get the quest which took me right back there.

Either way as people have said - No Sub = Good :) However I'm hoping Micro transactions don't take over in the case of WarZ all they care about is the Micro transactions.

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Originally Posted by Quirky

Problem is that has only been changed on the surface, essentially its still the same "Go here, Help the Farmers -> Protect the Farmers!" or Defending Missions and such, although go here and kill X isn't there, its essentially the same thing.

Hoping in the Zones which haven't been seen the Mini Side Quests are actually going to be different to the Static World Events you can find all over the place. Did them numerous times before being able to get the quest which took me right back there.

Either way as people have said - No Sub = Good :) However I'm hoping Micro transactions don't take over in the case of WarZ all they care about is the Micro transactions.

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It doesn't feel the same though. In rift you run to an area, and hunt down specific name types, it's really tedious. Defending missions are a bit different because of the stress factor, you don't get that when it's "go here and kill X number of mutant cleavers, and Y riflemen". It'd be really boring if that were the case, as you could just snipe one every time and run away.

As for the real money store, it's nothing game breaking, almost entirely cosmetic. Only thing that isn't is the XP/scrip boosts which will only speed things up, and the inventory unlocks - those can be earned via EGO rating.

I cancelled my pre-order after playing only an hour of the beta. I'd rather wait for an Amazon lightning deal. Plus, it's the end of a console cycle and I'm not taking a $60 risk on a new IP. Defiance couldn't capture me. Slow pacing, didn't feel like an MMO, AI was...laughable. I doubt I will even watch the show now. I just don't care about the theme, setting, or story, I thought I did, but boy was I wrong.

And how disappointing were the Arkfalls! I never was rewarded anything in any of my attempts and I did a considerable amount of work in each one. The first one I went to ended quickly so I assumed I didn't participate long enough. But even the Arkfalls felt like a joke. I thought Arkfalls would be much more epic than a 10x10 foot area. This game put me to sleep faster than Gears of War Judgment.

Just going to say this and then walk away...

Be careful of opinions based on short experiences in the last beta. A lot of people went in expecting a full blown demo and were disappointed when what they found was a beta test that was intended as more of a server test. More than a few of the basic features were disabled or toned down so that the major features could be focused on. A major thing that was missing was the loot tables and a lot of people did not realize it.

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I cancelled my pre-order after playing only an hour of the beta. I'd rather wait for an Amazon lightning deal. Plus, it's the end of a console cycle and I'm not taking a $60 risk on a new IP. Defiance couldn't capture me. Slow pacing, didn't feel like an MMO, AI was...laughable. I doubt I will even watch the show now. I just don't care about the theme, setting, or story, I thought I did, but boy was I wrong.


And how disappointing were the Arkfalls! I never was rewarded anything in any of my attempts and I did a considerable amount of work in each one. The first one I went to ended quickly so I assumed I didn't participate long enough. But even the Arkfalls felt like a joke. I thought Arkfalls would be much more epic than a 10x10 foot area. This game put me to sleep faster than Gears of War Judgment.

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Uhh, the arkfall loot was turned off for the beta, sound like you only saw one of the minor events as well. Good job judging a game on one hour of beta content

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Originally Posted by ironhands

It doesn't feel the same though. In rift you run to an area, and hunt down specific name types, it's really tedious. Defending missions are a bit different because of the stress factor, you don't get that when it's "go here and kill X number of mutant cleavers, and Y riflemen". It'd be really boring if that were the case, as you could just snipe one every time and run away.

As for the real money store, it's nothing game breaking, almost entirely cosmetic. Only thing that isn't is the XP/scrip boosts which will only speed things up, and the inventory unlocks - those can be earned via EGO rating.

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I agree it doesn't feel the same at first, however there's only so many Miners and Farmers you'll be able to Defend or other Generic NPC's which have to do something which causes enemies to attack you. I'd just like some variation with Spawns of mobs, Locations of objectives and such rather than the same old.

But that said this is all based upon the First zone, I'm sure there are a lot of different things out there. They've done a good job removing the Kill 20 X Kill 10 Y but its still just a kill fest with no requirement, just phases/stages. Then again when they introduce the loot to the Arkfalls it may spice things up.

As for the Store yup they did a good job, nothing that gives anyone a real advantage and that's how it should be.

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Originally Posted by Quirky

I agree it doesn't feel the same at first, however there's only so many Miners and Farmers you'll be able to Defend or other Generic NPC's which have to do something which causes enemies to attack you. I'd just like some variation with Spawns of mobs, Locations of objectives and such rather than the same old.

But that said this is all based upon the First zone, I'm sure there are a lot of different things out there. They've done a good job removing the Kill 20 X Kill 10 Y but its still just a kill fest with no requirement, just phases/stages. Then again when they introduce the loot to the Arkfalls it may spice things up.

As for the Store yup they did a good job, nothing that gives anyone a real advantage and that's how it should be.

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I'm sure we will, especially once we start seeing DLC and can really issue feedback and the see what they can truly pull off with the AI. The action seems pretty fast paced overall. I'd like to see some randomization on enemy outfits though

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Originally Posted by ironhands

If you enjoy jumping into a shooter to pass the time, for an hour or two, the dynamic events are great, there's always something to do.

If you like story, there's a long mission string that give you the same length as any main single player game would.

This game really gives you both for the same cost.

I usually finish a basic shooter in 8-10 hours and don't usually do a replay, even if there are achievements(Red Faction Armageddon anyone?). I've easily put in those 8-10 hours in one day of beta, there's just always something new to do, and I didn't even leave the first main area on the last beta weekend.

Also, factor in the DLC updates, 10$ every 2 months (or 40 for the year) gets you new content.

I'm just glad there's no "go here, kill 20 guys, loot 5 items and return them to me" type quests, I really hate those in MMORPGs.

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Jhea I see what you mean there. Only thing is. I dont like paying the full price for a game except I know its gonna be really really good. I'm kinda on the edge of pre-ordering this thing because from what i've seen its pretty good.

1. Only thing holding me back is the little info there is on the game from gamesites and the lack of previews.
2. Also there are alot of negative reactions on Defiance. So thats basicly why I haven't pre-ordered it yet.
3. And i'm kinda worried it gets repetitive very very fast.

Also did you play alone or with friends? Because I don't really have friends who are gonna play this sooner or later, so I'm kinda relying on single player and just meeting people and hoping I can join a fun clan or something.

Everyone who played the game absolutely loved it. It's really a try-first kind of deal. It'll hook you.

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Originally Posted by Elite_T91

Jhea I see what you mean there. Only thing is. I dont like paying the full price for a game except I know its gonna be really really good. I'm kinda on the edge of pre-ordering this thing because from what i've seen its pretty good.

1. Only thing holding me back is the little info there is on the game from gamesites and the lack of previews.
2. Also there are alot of negative reactions on Defiance. So thats basicly why I haven't pre-ordered it yet.
3. And i'm kinda worried it gets repetitive very very fast.

Also did you play alone or with friends? Because I don't really have friends who are gonna play this sooner or later, so I'm kinda relying on single player and just meeting people and hoping I can join a fun clan or something.

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The game is not yet out, so there may not be very much attention on other gaming sites yet, but there were often streams on twitch.tv, and lots on youtube now. pcgamer.com just released a review.

most of the negative reactions you see on the forums are just complaints. Very few who are happy take the time to say "hey you're doing great". A lot of these complaints that you see aren't really valid concerns. A lot were complaining about the time in beta, or that the first day of beta there were connection problems and lag... these were expected to happen during the beta test, and a lot of people just didn't understand that the point of testing was to find these problems now instead of later!

some complain about the graphics, what do you think? I think they look fine. If you do as well, you'll understand why I don't put too much faith in those people.

I can't really find any legitimately negative reactions, other than the UI, but that will be improved over time.

repetitive, well, it's a video game, everything about them is repetitive, you've always dragging your mouse to the target and clicking, that's what it is :P

As for the overall challenges, yeah, they might get repetitive, because you'll complete the store missions pretty quickly. New content will be delivered every 2 months or so for you to enjoy.

I played alone, but I would also prefer a clan. It's a good group of people that bring you back to playing, and hopefully, there will be some challenging end-game type content to really pull in the clans. You can probably find some good people in the forums, there are clan/guild forums somewhere I think.

If it's the cost, it's already on sale online for PC for around $40 in places if you look.

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Originally Posted by ironhands

The game is not yet out, so there may not be very much attention on other gaming sites yet, but there were often streams on twitch.tv, and lots on youtube now. pcgamer.com just released a review.

most of the negative reactions you see on the forums are just complaints. Very few who are happy take the time to say "hey you're doing great". A lot of these complaints that you see aren't really valid concerns. A lot were complaining about the time in beta, or that the first day of beta there were connection problems and lag... these were expected to happen during the beta test, and a lot of people just didn't understand that the point of testing was to find these problems now instead of later!

some complain about the graphics, what do you think? I think they look fine. If you do as well, you'll understand why I don't put too much faith in those people.

I can't really find any legitimately negative reactions, other than the UI, but that will be improved over time.

repetitive, well, it's a video game, everything about them is repetitive, you've always dragging your mouse to the target and clicking, that's what it is :P

As for the overall challenges, yeah, they might get repetitive, because you'll complete the store missions pretty quickly. New content will be delivered every 2 months or so for you to enjoy.

I played alone, but I would also prefer a clan. It's a good group of people that bring you back to playing, and hopefully, there will be some challenging end-game type content to really pull in the clans. You can probably find some good people in the forums, there are clan/guild forums somewhere I think.

If it's the cost, it's already on sale online for PC for around $40 in places if you look.

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Ok jhea, you got some good points. Graphics are fine for an MMO shooter. And indeed its always clicking with your mouse. Anyway i'll probably buy it for the MMO reason and because its a shooter. I tried WoW, Tera, and other MMORPG's but I never get to end game because it's too boring. I love shooters. Playing Bioshock Infinite at the moment. I'm gonna wait for a while but i'll probably pick Difiance up.

To reply on your last subject, where are these online sales? I can only find it on steam for 50 euro's (60 dollars)

there are posts in these forums about sales, but i like greenmangaming.com there are usually 20% off coupons that work with any titles:



http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...7.48-good-deal

Hey Elite
Bleak Iron an Fros have it right. Dont base it off of ppl who bw&m about a beta, ITS gonna show the Trolls an the true gamers an set it apart. I played the beta - yes there were some quirks, but you know what...its a great game for the cost. I pre-ordered it for my ps3 an in my honest op its just as easy an straight forward as Borderlands but on a larger scale. Ride the Lightning an Join the Fight!! O;) enjoy

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there are posts in these forums about sales, but i like greenmangaming.com there are usually 20% off coupons that work with any titles:



http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...7.48-good-deal

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Jhea its 30 euro's on g2play ... damn .. that 20 off the original price ..



Jhea if i buy it there i have no tier 1 and achievements then though :/

Have you bought it on steam or not?

BTW, your private message box is full so i cant send you any more messages. Kinda weird :P

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Originally Posted by Elite_T91

Jhea its 30 euro's on g2play ... damn .. that 20 off the original price ..



Jhea if i buy it there i have no tier 1 and achievements then though :/

Have you bought it on steam or not?

BTW, your private message box is full so i cant send you any more messages. Kinda weird :P

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Steam's exploding in tier bonus progression today. They're already 26% at this point into tier 2 when they were still just before tier 1 unlock yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Elite_T91

Jhea its 30 euro's on g2play ... damn .. that 20 off the original price ..



Jhea if i buy it there i have no tier 1 and achievements then though :/

Have you bought it on steam or not?

BTW, your private message box is full so i cant send you any more messages. Kinda weird :P

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not steam, but with the $ you save, just buy a few items in the real money shop, that way you get exactly what you want

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Steam's exploding in tier bonus progression today. They're already 26% at this point into tier 2 when they were still just before tier 1 unlock yesterday.

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Jhea but do you really think the 20 extra dollars/euro's is worth to get it on steam?

I say wait if you're unsure you want to buy it. I played the beta and LOVED IT. But I have no idea what the end-game content is like, and that can make or break an MMO. Only time will tell if it will be worth the money.

I pre-ordered it, but that's more to support the show than because I'm SURE the game will be amazing.

I think if you watched any streams of this game, you'll know within 20mintues if you like this game... I knew in about 3minutes. If you were to get the Gamestop Ultimate Edition for $149.99, which included the season pass that is another 10GB of content, even if it didn't get the season pass, this would be a steal. The amount of hours you'll put into this vs how much you paid for it when comparing the value versus other games. Defiance will be the best investment you'll make fir gamin entertainment and that's using the $149 as the price range. Totally worth it.