DLC end of July still realistic?

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Originally Posted by Blondin

Yeah please, do us a favor, sell your game, and go to another forum.
Tbh, I don't really care that Defiance lose "some" players, and I guess Trion doesn't care too much too

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Perfect, now take a dose of your own medicine and bounce..

if ppl like this spent more time in game and less time on the forums, there wouldn't be so many thread of bs fighting, or of the nerd herd breaking down bug damage and how THEY think it should be nerfed..

and this is the problem with Trion, they don't seem to care about there core, only the newbies, its easier to sale a new player outfits, trucks, or the dream of one day a DLC coming,,

no body is going to come back for DLC bro, and if they do, its going to be short lived..
or better yet, its going to be, "omg, im bored, im trolling the forums and I want dlc #2, same thing will repeat its self then, more nerfs, more patches, more bs threads about cry baby Mature rated gamers who spend more time trolling forums, then actually playing this game..

and if not, then what are you doing In every thread, or reading this right now?

BUt you don't troll?
Cry or complain tho huh?

Game has more kooks then a popular surf break in Cali..

Everytime I find something to enjoy about this game, and dlc I could care less about TBH..

everytime I find something fun to keep me playing this game, ppl like this live on the forums and think they know what direction the game and or its gear should go and next thing you know, a bunch of bored forum trolls are all in trions hair over the SAW, over the infectors, while ppl like me are still in this game trion to have fun, trion to teach new players whats up and how not to get taken advantage of by seasoned players, and what are ppl like you doing?

that's right, same thing everyday bro,

trolling and telling ppl what to do with there copy, that they bought, now, take a heap of your own MEDS bro, and step,
step off the forums and back into this game you so love and aspire to tell ppl how and what they should be doing with there copy..

odd, do you get paid to speak for this company?
do you have any reason to live on these forums?

I don't, and in case you haven't noticed I only come around once in a blu moon, and don't stay long, wonder why?

oh that's right, I spent my time actually playing this game, dedicating a twitter account that is about HELPING others and there frustrations, why do you what?

"sale your copy"

really? that's mature gaming?

hahahahahahhaa,, get a surfboard, and a motorcycle and try catching some sun, it may actually clear out your mind and your eyes, maybe then you can actually see how lame that remark was, or how common it is to say that..

Peons are not leaders,
leaders don't troll,
they lead..

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Originally Posted by Blu

BUt you don't troll?
Cry or complain tho huh?

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Pot, please meet kettle.

Also if you would like to be taken seriously, more attention to spelling, punctuation, and grammar would assist in your endeavor. The individual you are belittling has noted that English is not his native tongue and yet, he understands the use of "sell" vice "sale". Just some friendly advice.

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Originally Posted by Blu

"sale your copy"

really? that's mature gaming?

hahahahahahhaa,, get a surfboard, and a motorcycle and try catching some sun, it may actually clear out your mind and your eyes, maybe then you can actually see how lame that remark was, or how common it is to say that..

Peons are not leaders,
leaders don't troll,
they lead..

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Leader seems to not read too... (I believe you think you are one of those leaders, as you show how you hate peons:))


So... try to read the entire discusion (not only the quoted text) before jumping on me, it helps...

I wasn't the one to speak about selling the game, he was the one to tell us to sell our copy :

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Originally Posted by Silent Scope

Solution...

We all take a financial loss & sell the game back to Game Stop, a friend, or Internet sale.

Why be so frustrated over a IGN Rated 5.5 game?

Saints Row 4, GTA V, Fable Anniversay, & XBOX ONE/PS4 are pretty much here.

Plus Xbox has free games and awesome sales right now.

Moral of the story... Screw Trion. They've earned it.

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Btw, you're seem to be pretty upset, you should get a surfboard, and a motorcycle and try catching some sun, it may calm you down.

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Originally Posted by Silent Scope

Pretty much the community as a whole is pissed or bored...

Only Fan Boys are duking it out in the name of Trion these days.

Solution...

We all take a financial loss & sell the game back to Game Stop, a friend, or Internet sale.

Why be so frustrated over a IGN Rated 5.5 game?

Saints Row 4, GTA V, Fable Anniversay, & XBOX ONE/PS4 are pretty much here.

Plus Xbox has free games and awesome sales right now.

Moral of the story... Screw Trion. They've earned it.

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Originally Posted by Tyger

Not entirely sure you understand how the gaming side of the real world works... Especially when it comes to MMO's. I'll just assume you to be another Armchair-Dev and leave it at that.

>.>

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Scope seems a bit doe-eyed and new to Defiance, at the very least to be sure. That'll pass one way or another. :P

I didnt read through the whole 9 pages, but I would think that if they arent promoting it yet, it isnt coming in the next 2 weeks.

I'm waiting patiently after realizing its only the 17th Lol I was two weeks ahead in my minds schedule. Just a few comments to tap up on though.
- games first released are always buggy, just not horribly so. That's what testing and not rushing deadlines is for. There is a difference between adding more content and building on a base then releasing and then finishing the game overall.

- when you go out to eat you choose from the cooks menu true but before you go out you decide where the hell you're going to eat with a general idea of what you want.
- people wouldn't live on the forums so much if they weren't trying to report issues and figure out what the hells going on. That's the only reason I came here. It took me almost 10hrs to get on the game

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Originally Posted by JxSiN

I'm sorry, but where did you get this information? I would love to see some patch notes from 1.025 and hope that it really does have these things in them (plus many more)

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theres no patch notes at this moment. i watched their friday live stream on twitch on 7/12. sledge an another dev were talking about it. and honestly if you piece together the "beat around the bush" things they were saying. its clear.

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Originally Posted by pooch83

theres no patch notes at this moment. i watched their friday live stream on twitch on 7/12. sledge an another dev were talking about it. and honestly if you piece together the "beat around the bush" things they were saying. its clear.

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Heh... clear as mud you mean.

Actually, if you go back and listen to the stream, Sledge's comments actually heavily support that it will -not- be coming in July.

1. He said they're adding the final touches on getting the PTR up and running sometime in the coming weeks. Not week not days but weeks.

2. After that he said they're hoping, no promises, that they will get the DLC on the PTR to let people test it out and give them feedback because they want to make sure the DLC is as "perfect as possible".

That means the likelihood of a July release is slim to none for the DLC. Chances thus too that 1.25 will be arriving before the end of July(as -no mention- of 1.25 in connection with the PTR's release was made) is also less likely, but slimly possible.

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

Let's hope they don't shoot themselves in the foot again.

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Do they even have feet left to shoot themselves in at this point?

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Originally Posted by Sanguinesun

Heh... clear as mud you mean.

Actually, if you go back and listen to the stream, Sledge's comments actually heavily support that it will -not- be coming in July.

1. He said they're adding the final touches on getting the PTR up and running sometime in the coming weeks. Not week not days but weeks.

2. After that he said they're hoping, no promises, that they will get the DLC on the PTR to let people test it out and give them feedback because they want to make sure the DLC is as "perfect as possible".

That means the likelihood of a July release is slim to none for the DLC. Chances thus too that 1.25 will be arriving before the end of July(as -no mention- of 1.25 in connection with the PTR's release was made) is also less likely, but slimly possible.

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i have watched an listen quit a few times. given my internet has been f'ing up lately. so i had to. if they stated at E3 it was coming in late july, patch 1.025 is coming in late july. an the patch not only has improvments, fixes an "content". then what else would that content be?. the show is no longer on, so its nothing from that. every time they stated time frames, it was 1 to 2 weeks. they could release a date for the dlc in 1.5 weeks, and the day after they announce it could be the day the dlc goes live.

the release of the dlc date was said (they were going to try hard) to be given in 1-2 weeks. the PTR was said to be live in 1-2 weeks. so they could launch the PTR in week 1, and then drop the dlc in week 2, could they not?. we're only half way through this month. you cant rule out all of the options until we have passed them. i still firmly believe that it will be the end of july. and if its not, then scream to the world i was wrong. if im right, then im right (speaking to everyone, not you btw).

perspective.....that's what's lacking.

reading and watching, all the tidbits and things not said, with a healthy dose of skepticism allows me to believe that the dev team gave themselves a bit of leeway with the first DLC in case something went horribly wrong.

I can wait.....there are still things I can do (or create to do) left in the game for me. but if I have to be truly honest with myself, I would expect the DLC to arrive live sometime around the 15th of august.....and if it actually arrives in the month of july?.....well.....i'll just be pleasantly surprised....no skin off my nose.

and certainly not worth getting my shorts in a twist over....

the game is playable. (to a certain extent)
things are still slightly broken. (in places)
there is room for improvement. (vast improvements)
and when i'm bored, i'll go out into the badlands and create my own entertainment, when what is provided is sub standard.
right now....the game, is, what it is.....it could be so much more, but i'm not holding my breath any longer than necessary.

have fun with what is there, forget the negativity for a moment, and embrace your inner imp while fragging lots of pixelated thingys, and if you're lucky...you can drag along a few of your acquaintances to embrace the madness with you....when the important stuff happens, you'll be there to witness it firsthand....for better or worse.

So on that live stream they say that in 1-3 weeks they will ANNOUNCE patch 1.025 (or tease it) which is not the DLC; this means that after that announcement, it will take 2-3 weeks for that patch to show up.

Then they have to put up a PTR so they can do test with the public so that is another 1-3 weeks or more.

Then it has to be certified by consoles (lol) which is like, who knows how long.

Then they have to announce the DLC release which is another 1-3 weeks (or more) wait.

1 month min before this DLC sees light of day, probably at least 3.

p.s. another clue was on that live stream with their special guest: one guy is working on UI and he also has to do web stuff. Pretty much confirmed right their they are working with a skeleton crew after they fired most of everyone lol.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyPersia

Honestly though, at the rate with which they're releasing this first dlc, it seems like it's going to be extremely difficult to knock out 4 more by the start of season 2.

We shall see...

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That just depends on what they put into the package to call it "DLC".

Since the contract language isn't very specific, you could get a reworked area, the same Siege down to the letter but with different mobs, and some new stuff in the shop and it would qualify as meeting the terms.

Based on the amount of wiggle room I think they won't have any problem meeting the deadlines specified.

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Originally Posted by Remag Div

Sadly, this.

It would be dumb of them to just stealth release the DLC, they'd want to advertise and send mass e-mails promoting it at least a couple weeks in advance.

The total lack of any communication with the DLC means it most likely got pushed back yet again.

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I'll disagree with this theory... they can still 'stealth out' a release and give people one week of emails which is still plenty of time.

The reason for doing that is that they know the first DLC kinda sucks already, so if they hype it up for three-four weeks and then release a dogturd, people will lose their sh*t because it's been hyped up.

If they don't say anything, then a week to go.. "HEY ARKHUNTERS! NEW DLC IS HERE!" in only a week, no one is hyped, just 'surprised' and happy (relieved?) they made the deadline.

If the DLC is bad, people won't be as mad since they actually have SOME new content, and more likely to 'give them some slack' for the next one ("The next DLC better not suck like this or I swear to...blah blah blah.")

So I see it coming out this month.

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Originally Posted by ten4

So on that live stream they say that in 1-3 weeks they will ANNOUNCE patch 1.025 (or tease it) which is not the DLC; this means that after that announcement, it will take 2-3 weeks for that patch to show up.

Then they have to put up a PTR so they can do test with the public so that is another 1-3 weeks or more.

Then it has to be certified by consoles (lol) which is like, who knows how long.

Then they have to announce the DLC release which is another 1-3 weeks (or more) wait.

1 month min before this DLC sees light of day, probably at least 3.

p.s. another clue was on that live stream with their special guest: one guy is working on UI and he also has to do web stuff. Pretty much confirmed right their they are working with a skeleton crew after they fired most of everyone lol.

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even if they announce a release date in 1 or 2 weeks (is what they said, not 3). then that would be 7/25 from the 7/12 stream. on the 25th they could scream the release date, and it could end up being the 27th. you assume that if in 2 weeks is when they will announce, then it would be 2-3 weeks after that. you are incorrect. many games have released dlc's right after they have announced the date. so until that time comes an goes, then wait.

what game has ever had "surprise dlc"? predicting the announcement is less futile. once the dlc is announced there is going to be an official promotional campaign. dropping hints and talking about it is not an official promotional campaign. my prediction is official announcement around the end of july, and a release between end of august or beginning of september. just in time for college football, so that will garuntee i will not be playing on saturdays when i have most of my free time.

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Originally Posted by pooch83

i have watched an listen quit a few times. given my internet has been f'ing up lately. so i had to. if they stated at E3 it was coming in late july, patch 1.025 is coming in late july. an the patch not only has improvments, fixes an "content". then what else would that content be?. the show is no longer on, so its nothing from that. every time they stated time frames, it was 1 to 2 weeks. they could release a date for the dlc in 1.5 weeks, and the day after they announce it could be the day the dlc goes live.
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You have to understand something about the Defiance. Nathan Richardsson on day 6 after launch (first week in April you have to remember) said the dlc was going to come soon after the first two patches to fix issues(some still exist that he also said would be fixed and never were). 4 months later still no DLC. You have to then understand that with them, it is better to expect much later as par for the course rather than sooner. You also have to remember that sledgehammer70 said months ago that you could get oranges as drops on the ground from mobs and most cept for the new folks laugh at that. You have to take their team these days with heavy... heavy heaping healthy doses of skepticism.

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Originally Posted by Fancypants

I'll disagree with this theory... they can still 'stealth out' a release and give people one week of emails which is still plenty of time.

The reason for doing that is that they know the first DLC kinda sucks already, so if they hype it up for three-four weeks and then release a dogturd, people will lose their sh*t because it's been hyped up.

If they don't say anything, then a week to go.. "HEY ARKHUNTERS! NEW DLC IS HERE!" in only a week, no one is hyped, just 'surprised' and happy (relieved?) they made the deadline.

If the DLC is bad, people won't be as mad since they actually have SOME new content, and more likely to 'give them some slack' for the next one ("The next DLC better not suck like this or I swear to...blah blah blah.")

So I see it coming out this month.

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A stealth release? You have to be joking. That would be the worst marketing blunder of a game that is suffering serious setbacks, revenue stream, around 100 of its 150 staff laid off, and more. They -want- to publicize the release. Shout it out to the world to the world even so that can get every last drop of potential folks to spend money. It couldn't be more counter intuitive, to be honest.

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Originally Posted by Sanguinesun

You have to understand something about the Defiance. Nathan Richardsson on day 6 after launch (first week in April you have to remember) said the dlc was going to come soon after the first two patches to fix issues(some still exist that he also said would be fixed and never were). 4 months later still no DLC. You have to then understand that with them, it is better to expect much later as par for the course rather than sooner. You also have to remember that sledgehammer70 said months ago that you could get oranges as drops on the ground from mobs and most cept for the new folks laugh at that. You have to take their team these days with heavy... heavy heaping healthy doses of skepticism.

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i remember all that. they said it was suppose to come after patch 1.020, but got pushed back due to bugs, fixes, etc. and technically its still coming after patch 1.020 lol, just dont know how far back. i also remember hearing him say about the orange weapons being dropped, i personally never believed that or the people that ran around screaming that it happened. i dont really care for orange or there prices. i know there has been a decent amount of set backs with this game, an i do take the words with a grain of salt, but i still honestly feel that it will be out by the end of july.

and thanks for not jumping my sh*t and having a conversation like an adult. thats a very rare thing on this forum.

Never Forget

http://community.defiance.com/en/201...herefore-i-am/

Well the nay sayers seemed to be right all along.

I left Defiance because I will not support games by Trion.
They are inept and lie to their customers if you are thinking of buying this game or any paid content do not waste your money!!!!

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

Let's hope they don't shoot themselves in the foot again.

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Oops, looks like they shot themselves in the foot again. Shocking.

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

Oops, looks like they shot themselves in the foot again. Shocking.

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just my two cents - they change an exec producer ..

they dont seem to be very good at their jobs so EU players will never play with NA players unless we make new chars confrimed by dev ,everyone else seems to manage it but not defiance.

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Originally Posted by Alien

they dont seem to be very good at their jobs so EU players will never play with NA players unless we make new chars confrimed by dev ,everyone else seems to manage it but not defiance

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To be honest fella, with regards to PC games, we've never been able to play with NA players unless we made characters on their servers.

EU and NA are usually separate.

That's one thing I can't complain about as it's the same as every other MMO I play.

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Originally Posted by Gomly

To be honest fella, with regards to PC games, we've never been able to play with NA players unless we made characters on their servers.

EU and NA are usually separate.

That's one thing I can't complain about as it's the same as every other MMO I play.

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No issue on console games I play with people anywhere in the world or chose to play local my choice its called matchmaking. Another reason it should not be released cross platform they made lots of money but I doubt they will be left with much..
I left Defiance because I will not support games by Trion.
They are inept and lie to their customers if you are thinking of buying this game or any paid content do not waste your money!!!!

Answer to thread title: No, it is not, for they have now said they will bring it out August

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Originally Posted by Sanguinesun

A stealth release? You have to be joking.

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Wasn't joking, but I was wrong.. that's for sure. I thought with two weeks to go they'd swing.. something. Meh, their loss apparently.

I guess all there is left at this point next month is:

"Hey everyone, we would like to thank you for supporting us through this difficult time period while we get our 'certification' finished (HA!). We especially thank everyone for their patience and to show our gratitude and how much you mean to us as a community, we are crediting everyone in the game with X amount of cash shop currency as a thank you."

And then the platitudes of "See, Trion cares! EA/SOE/Blizzard wouldn't give you cash shop money right?" At least they gave you something. They didn't have to give you anything, so go back to WoW! :p

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Originally Posted by Alien

they dont seem to be very good at their jobs so EU players will never play with NA players unless we make new chars confrimed by dev ,everyone else seems to manage it but not defiance.

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Uh, RIFT, Trion's other game, doesn't do that. Most PC MMOs do not do that. It's an issue of server location, and the fact that your saved character data is server-based. If they were running the NA and EU servers from the same place like FFXIV, it would be different. If it was a game where the data is saved client-side, like most 360/PS3 games, it would also be different. But in this case there's not a whole lot they can do.

And not "everyone" manages it. Online console games do because they're not MMOs where things are stored server-side, unless the servers are stored in the same location. Pretty much every MMO or online-only game doesn't let you move between regions.

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Originally Posted by dominad

I left Defiance because I will not support games by Trion.
They are inept and lie to their customers if you are thinking of buying this game or any paid content do not waste your money!!!!

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You can post this 100 more times, and still... nobody will care.

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Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p

You can post this 100 more times, and still... nobody will care.

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This is 100x true in every sense, no one will ever care unless they share the same opinion. Do I care? Nope. I suspect Negative is the same, as well as everyone else who views it in the sense that I do. All that post proved to me is the inept ability to read the small print, the release dates for anything regarding Defiance are subject to change as many times as Trion wishes.

If people would actually take the time out of their crusade on helping our poor souls (the ones who understand why what is happening is and continue to support) to read the TOU's, I'll even be so kind as to link directly to them; http://www.trionworlds.com/en/legal/terms-of-use/, then I suspect the uproar on the DLC subject would not be as.. intense.

Plus even if the TOU's aren't read, complaining about the DLC being pushed back will do absolutely nothing no matter how many times it's parroted.

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Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p

You can post this 100 more times, and still... nobody will care.

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Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p

You can post this 100 more times, and still... nobody will care.

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I do, I find this hilarious :)

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Originally Posted by Reverend Blood

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Haha, the joker of the forum for sure. Props to you for the laugh.

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Originally Posted by Dave Blackwell

I suspect Negative is the same, as well as everyone else who views it in the sense that I do.

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Indeed. This self-entitled generation of younger gamers sometimes make me sick to my stomach.

"Me! Me! Me! Now! Now! Now!"

<N3gative Cr33p vomits> ;)

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Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p

You can post this 100 more times, and still... nobody will care.

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I chuckled.

I saw it posted at the end of all his/hers/it's posts and thought to myself that they had a over inflated sense of self importance.

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Originally Posted by Gomly

I chuckled.

I saw it posted at the end of all his/hers/it's posts and thought to myself that they had a over inflated sense of self importance.

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I kind of figured it was more a warning to people who may be researching to see if they would be interested in the game or not and getting feedback by visiting the forums (which is something i do when considering games like this) more than a self aggrandizement thing - person claims to be a gamer in their sig after all and obviously uses forums, so they're likely not dumb enough to assume other players would care whether they stay or go.

Or maybe i am just weird in how i think and i'm totally wrong...lol

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Originally Posted by Veld

I kind of figured it was more a warning to people who may be researching to see if they would be interested in the game or not and getting feedback by visiting the forums (which is something i do when considering games like this) more than a self aggrandizement thing - person claims to be a gamer in their sig after all and obviously uses forums, so they're likely not dumb enough to assume other players would care whether they stay or go.

Or maybe i am just weird in how i think and i'm totally wrong...lol

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I saw it as kicking and screaming on their way out the door... much like young, bratty children do when they're being dragged out of a store, because their parents didn't buy them that toy that they ABSOLUTELY had to have.

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Originally Posted by Soren

Uh, RIFT, Trion's other game, doesn't do that. Most PC MMOs do not do that. It's an issue of server location, and the fact that your saved character data is server-based. If they were running the NA and EU servers from the same place like FFXIV, it would be different. If it was a game where the data is saved client-side, like most 360/PS3 games, it would also be different. But in this case there's not a whole lot they can do.

And not "everyone" manages it. Online console games do because they're not MMOs where things are stored server-side, unless the servers are stored in the same location. Pretty much every MMO or online-only game doesn't let you move between regions.

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It isn't just Rift that does this. Defiance does it too for PC and has since day 1. I have MacDeath on NA PC and also on EU PC. It isn't Trion policy to region lock. Somehow they thought they should for consoles, go figure.