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  • 07-18-2013, 08:17 PM
    BlackR3ap3r
    Off-topicers have a long memory....
    just tell us why your going all terminator on us and maybe we'll stop making threads that you don't agree with
  • 07-18-2013, 08:18 PM
    Duskky
    I was in it for the juice.
  • 07-18-2013, 08:21 PM
    BlackR3ap3r
    and no one got warnings... just another thread removed......
  • 07-18-2013, 08:22 PM
    L Y
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BlackR3ap3r View Post
    and no one got warnings... just another thread removed......

    Now there's no evidence I fell into a door!
  • 07-18-2013, 08:25 PM
    Painted Pony
    Midni's Thread is gone did she get a banned?
  • 07-18-2013, 08:31 PM
    Scribbles
    What, do you expect them to send you a message every time someone else gets a warning? They don't hang people publicly, declaring that they have been banned :o
  • 07-18-2013, 08:33 PM
    Painted Pony
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Scribbles View Post
    What, do you expect them to send you a message every time someone else gets a warning? They don't hang people publicly, declaring that they have been banned :o

    Is she banned did You get her Banned?
  • 07-18-2013, 08:34 PM
    BlackR3ap3r
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Scribbles View Post
    What, do you expect them to send you a message every time someone else gets a warning? They don't hang people publicly, declaring that they have been banned :o

    we're all on skype so we'd know if someone got a warning or ban......how do you think we quote Malachi?
  • 07-18-2013, 08:34 PM
    L Y
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Scribbles View Post
    What, do you expect them to send you a message every time someone else gets a warning? They don't hang people publicly, declaring that they have been banned :o

    Public execution. Is that dlc?
  • 07-18-2013, 08:34 PM
    BlackR3ap3r
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Painted Pony View Post
    You get her Banned?

    Midnight is not excommunicated just Mal
  • 07-18-2013, 08:35 PM
    ShiMoShinkenFry
    We don't mind being publically shamed. I think malachi feeds from it.
  • 07-18-2013, 08:38 PM
    Painted Pony
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BlackR3ap3r View Post
    Midnight is not excommunicated just Mal

    I see but then where is she I have never seen her miss a whole day...
  • 07-18-2013, 08:40 PM
    BlackR3ap3r
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Painted Pony View Post
    I see but then where is she I have never seen her miss a whole day...

    ..............she'll be back when shes back.............
  • 07-18-2013, 08:40 PM
    Scribbles
    I dunno, I'm just trying to help people not be mad :O I don't know everything :P
  • 07-18-2013, 08:41 PM
    Duskky
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Scribbles View Post
    I dunno, I'm just trying to help people not be mad :O I don't know everything :P

    Scribbles is real o. o
  • 07-18-2013, 08:42 PM
    BlackR3ap3r
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Scribbles View Post
    I dunno, I'm just trying to help people not be mad :O I don't know everything :P

    this is off-topic.......no ones mad......just being trolls.......thats what off-topic is for trolling with other trolls and feeding eachothers egos lol
  • 07-18-2013, 08:48 PM
    cypheon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Scribbles View Post
    I dunno, I'm just trying to help people not be mad :O I don't know everything :P

    sorry scribbles... we were intending to use your name in a prank and poor duskky had no idea we were actually talking about an actual user
  • 07-18-2013, 08:50 PM
    Duskky
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cypheon View Post
    sorry scribbles... we were intending to use your name in a prank and poor duskky had no idea we were actually talking about an actual user

    I HAD NO CLUE.
    desu.
  • 07-18-2013, 08:50 PM
    Painted Pony
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BlackR3ap3r View Post
    ..............she'll be back when shes back.............


    Must you always know everthing about her?
  • 07-18-2013, 08:50 PM
    Alyn
    Hey folks,

    While we (the moderation team) obviously can't discuss moderation actions (just like you're not supposed to), we can tell you there's no witch hunt or anything going on.
    If we notice a thread or post that violates the Code of Conduct (whether we see it whilst perusing or it gets reported), we read through it, and address it to the best of our ability as per the CoC.
    When a thread is removed, the OP is contacted in some way. It may be a simple, casual PM saying "Hey, let's not do this, thanks", or it may be more formal, as in a warning or infraction. It all depends on what the subject matter is, and whether it's a persistent issue or not.
    In the case of Off Topic forums, there's a bit of leeway, we realize there's "games" people play or want to discuss something that would normally be removed without question in the General forums because it's not about Defiance. However, those threads/posts must still adhere to the CoC.
    Also, I'd like to note that despite the lack of contact we have with you all, we are human, and we do make mistakes sometimes. There've been times we've made a mistake and one of you all sends us a PM to say "Hey, I noticed..." and we say "Whoops, good catch" and fix it. Nobody's perfect!

    We walk a fine line between maintaining order on the forums/enforcing the CoC and trying to let everyone have their say. You can't please everyone, and there will be times we do something you folks disagree with. When that happens, please realize it's nothing personal, we're not trying to censor anything, we're just trying to foster a civil, constructive place for people to talk about Defiance (and other topics, here in OT). In regards to discussing games, it's fine, but there's a fine line between discussing a game, and advertising for it. One is ok (discussing), the other (advertising) is not. That's covered in the CoC.

    We do ask that you refrain from making threads asking about moderation actions, or what have you, because we can't discuss them, and I'd hate for anyone to get dinged for discussing moderation when it's easily avoided. This includes making threads targeted at any specific moderator or the team as a whole.

    As always, if you see a post/thread you feel violates the CoC, please report it, and always keep your replies on topic, civil and constructive. With that, I'll end this wall o' text :)

    Thanks so much!

    The Defiance Moderation Team
  • 07-18-2013, 08:54 PM
    ShiMoShinkenFry
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Alyn View Post
    Hey folks,

    While we (the moderation team) obviously can't discuss moderation actions (just like you're not supposed to), we can tell you there's no witch hunt or anything going on.
    If we notice a thread or post that violates the Code of Conduct (whether we see it whilst perusing or it gets reported), we read through it, and address it to the best of our ability as per the CoC.
    When a thread is removed, the OP is contacted in some way. It may be a simple, casual PM saying "Hey, let's not do this, thanks", or it may be more formal, as in a warning or infraction. It all depends on what the subject matter is, and whether it's a persistent issue or not.
    In the case of Off Topic forums, there's a bit of leeway, we realize there's "games" people play or want to discuss something that would normally be removed without question in the General forums because it's not about Defiance. However, those threads/posts must still adhere to the CoC.
    Also, I'd like to note that despite the lack of contact we have with you all, we are human, and we do make mistakes sometimes. There've been times we've made a mistake and one of you all sends us a PM to say "Hey, I noticed..." and we say "Whoops, good catch" and fix it. Nobody's perfect!

    We walk a fine line between maintaining order on the forums/enforcing the CoC and trying to let everyone have their say. You can't please everyone, and there will be times we do something you folks disagree with. When that happens, please realize it's nothing personal, we're not trying to censor anything, we're just trying to foster a civil, constructive place for people to talk about Defiance (and other topics, here in OT). In regards to discussing games, it's fine, but there's a fine line between discussing a game, and advertising for it. One is ok (discussing), the other (advertising) is not. That's covered in the CoC.

    We do ask that you refrain from making threads asking about moderation actions, or what have you, because we can't discuss them, and I'd hate for anyone to get dinged for discussing moderation when it's easily avoided. This includes making threads targeted at any specific moderator or the team as a whole.

    As always, if you see a post/thread you feel violates the CoC, please report it, and always keep your replies on topic, civil and constructive. With that, I'll end this wall o' text :)

    Thanks so much!

    The Defiance Moderation Team

    We need a thread explaining the difference between advertising and discussing?
  • 07-18-2013, 08:54 PM
    cypheon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Alyn View Post
    Hey folks,

    While we (the moderation team) obviously can't discuss moderation actions (just like you're not supposed to), we can tell you there's no witch hunt or anything going on.
    If we notice a thread or post that violates the Code of Conduct (whether we see it whilst perusing or it gets reported), we read through it, and address it to the best of our ability as per the CoC.
    When a thread is removed, the OP is contacted in some way. It may be a simple, casual PM saying "Hey, let's not do this, thanks", or it may be more formal, as in a warning or infraction. It all depends on what the subject matter is, and whether it's a persistent issue or not.
    In the case of Off Topic forums, there's a bit of leeway, we realize there's "games" people play or want to discuss something that would normally be removed without question in the General forums because it's not about Defiance. However, those threads/posts must still adhere to the CoC.
    Also, I'd like to note that despite the lack of contact we have with you all, we are human, and we do make mistakes sometimes. There've been times we've made a mistake and one of you all sends us a PM to say "Hey, I noticed..." and we say "Whoops, good catch" and fix it. Nobody's perfect!

    We walk a fine line between maintaining order on the forums/enforcing the CoC and trying to let everyone have their say. You can't please everyone, and there will be times we do something you folks disagree with. When that happens, please realize it's nothing personal, we're not trying to censor anything, we're just trying to foster a civil, constructive place for people to talk about Defiance (and other topics, here in OT). In regards to discussing games, it's fine, but there's a fine line between discussing a game, and advertising for it. One is ok (discussing), the other (advertising) is not. That's covered in the CoC.

    We do ask that you refrain from making threads asking about moderation actions, or what have you, because we can't discuss them, and I'd hate for anyone to get dinged for discussing moderation when it's easily avoided. This includes making threads targeted at any specific moderator or the team as a whole.

    As always, if you see a post/thread you feel violates the CoC, please report it, and always keep your replies on topic, civil and constructive. With that, I'll end this wall o' text :)

    Thanks so much!

    The Defiance Moderation Team

    we actually got a response from the head honcho! quick, someone, slip him a roofie and grill him for info about the dlc!
  • 07-18-2013, 08:54 PM
    Duskky
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Alyn View Post
    Hey folks, we can tell you there's no witch hunt or anything going on and always keep your replies on topic.

    Thanks so much!

    The Defiance Moderation Team

    But this is off-topic we have to stay off-topic.
  • 07-18-2013, 08:57 PM
    L Y
    :(So... no public executions? I just made popcorn.
  • 07-18-2013, 08:59 PM
    Duskky
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by L Y View Post
    :(So... no public executions? I just made popcorn.

    *smacks popcorn out of hands* NO!
  • 07-18-2013, 09:01 PM
    L Y
    /em evades ;)
  • 07-18-2013, 09:02 PM
    Scribbles
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Duskky View Post
    *smacks popcorn out of hands* NO!

    Shuffles around and eats all the popcorn. Trash is a raccoon's specialty! :3
  • 07-18-2013, 09:02 PM
    ShiMoShinkenFry
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Duskky View Post
    *smacks popcorn out of hands* NO!

    This is why we can't have you in public.
  • 07-18-2013, 09:05 PM
    Painted Pony
    LMAO way funny guys.
  • 07-18-2013, 09:05 PM
    L Y
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Scribbles View Post
    Shuffles around and eats all the popcorn. Trash is a raccoon's specialty! :3

    Duskky is wearing you on their head
  • 07-18-2013, 09:09 PM
    I Wuv Defianace
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Alyn View Post
    Hey folks,

    While we (the moderation team) obviously can't discuss moderation actions (just like you're not supposed to), we can tell you there's no witch hunt or anything going on.
    If we notice a thread or post that violates the Code of Conduct (whether we see it whilst perusing or it gets reported), we read through it, and address it to the best of our ability as per the CoC.
    When a thread is removed, the OP is contacted in some way. It may be a simple, casual PM saying "Hey, let's not do this, thanks", or it may be more formal, as in a warning or infraction. It all depends on what the subject matter is, and whether it's a persistent issue or not.
    In the case of Off Topic forums, there's a bit of leeway, we realize there's "games" people play or want to discuss something that would normally be removed without question in the General forums because it's not about Defiance. However, those threads/posts must still adhere to the CoC.
    Also, I'd like to note that despite the lack of contact we have with you all, we are human, and we do make mistakes sometimes. There've been times we've made a mistake and one of you all sends us a PM to say "Hey, I noticed..." and we say "Whoops, good catch" and fix it. Nobody's perfect!

    We walk a fine line between maintaining order on the forums/enforcing the CoC and trying to let everyone have their say. You can't please everyone, and there will be times we do something you folks disagree with. When that happens, please realize it's nothing personal, we're not trying to censor anything, we're just trying to foster a civil, constructive place for people to talk about Defiance (and other topics, here in OT). In regards to discussing games, it's fine, but there's a fine line between discussing a game, and advertising for it. One is ok (discussing), the other (advertising) is not. That's covered in the CoC.

    We do ask that you refrain from making threads asking about moderation actions, or what have you, because we can't discuss them, and I'd hate for anyone to get dinged for discussing moderation when it's easily avoided. This includes making threads targeted at any specific moderator or the team as a whole.

    As always, if you see a post/thread you feel violates the CoC, please report it, and always keep your replies on topic, civil and constructive. With that, I'll end this wall o' text :)

    Thanks so much!

    The Defiance Moderation Team

    So what's the difference between advertising and discussing? Because according to the way your mods have been acting - merely saying positive things about another game is against the CoC. We're not allowed to say anything NICE about any game other than Defiance, or the thread gets DELETED now. Not even just locked anymore - it gets outright POOFED!

    So, why don't you rephrase things. We're only allowed to discuss games in a negative way. "Man that FFXIV game sucks, it's awful!" That is the only thing that is allowed. "Hey, did you hear about that new FFXIV game? It's in a completely different genre and a totally different type of game than Defiance, but it sure is fun!" Is a no-no.

    Now let's move on the the part about singling people out....

    Fact #1 - At one time there were TWO recruitment threads for guilds in FFXIV. Not advertising the game, only recruiting for individual guilds. ONE of these threads was moved from Off Topic to the Deutsch General forum...

    Fact #2 - During the reign of one unnamed evil tyrannical mod, a thread was locked that was saying nice things about FFXIV. This mod suspended the OP of that thread, which happened to be the same OP of the previous guild recruitment thread, without warning. This was the OP's very first infraction, and it was a suspension.

    Fact #3 - A few days later, the OP makes a carefully thought out and well worded thread about FFXIV, but worded so that IN NO WAY could it be taken as advertisement (even had a disclaimer!). This immediately results in a 3 day suspension.

    Fact #4 - There have been numerous violations of the CoC tonight and there have been a total of zero bans. Meanwhile, registration to these forums is temporarily suspended due to "Maintenance". I wonder why...

    Your mod team is TOTALLY singling out one individual. Now please stop BSing us, and just leave Off Topic alone.
  • 07-18-2013, 09:13 PM
    Painted Pony
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by I Wuv Defianace View Post
    So what's the difference between advertising and discussing? Because according to the way your mods have been acting - merely saying positive things about another game is against the CoC. We're not allowed to say anything NICE about any game other than Defiance, or the thread gets DELETED now. Not even just locked anymore - it gets outright POOFED!

    So, why don't you rephrase things. We're only allowed to discuss games in a negative way. "Man that FFXIV game sucks, it's awful!" That is the only thing that is allowed. "Hey, did you hear about that new FFXIV game? It's in a completely different genre and a totally different type of game than Defiance, but it sure is fun!" Is a no-no.

    Now let's move on the the part about singling people out....

    Fact #1 - At one time there were TWO recruitment threads for guilds in FFXIV. Not advertising the game, only recruiting for individual guilds. ONE of these threads was moved from Off Topic to the Deutsch General forum...

    Fact #2 - During the reign of one unnamed evil tyrannical mod, a thread was locked that was saying nice things about FFXIV. This mod suspended the OP of that thread, which happened to be the same OP of the previous guild recruitment thread, without warning. This was the OP's very first infraction, and it was a suspension.

    Fact #3 - A few days later, the OP makes a carefully thought out and well worded thread about FFXIV, but worded so that IN NO WAY could it be taken as advertisement (even had a disclaimer!). This immediately results in a 3 day suspension.

    Fact #4 - There have been numerous violations of the CoC tonight and there have been a total of zero bans. Meanwhile, registration to these forums is temporarily suspended due to "Maintenance". I wonder why...

    Your mod team is TOTALLY singling out one individual. Now please stop BSing us, and just leave Off Topic alone.

    Other posts are being removed as well like the DW8 post which was not recruiting or encouraging people to leave defiance.
  • 07-18-2013, 09:14 PM
    Duskky
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ShiMoShinkenFry View Post
    This is why we can't have you in public.

    I'm sorry i'll behave Shimo.
  • 07-18-2013, 09:36 PM
    Zabuza
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by I Wuv Defianace View Post
    Your mod team is TOTALLY singling out one individual.

    They turned me into a newt!
  • 07-18-2013, 09:45 PM
    Alyn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by I Wuv Defianace View Post
    So what's the difference between advertising and discussing? Because according to the way your mods have been acting - merely saying positive things about another game is against the CoC. We're not allowed to say anything NICE about any game other than Defiance, or the thread gets DELETED now. Not even just locked anymore - it gets outright POOFED!

    So, why don't you rephrase things. We're only allowed to discuss games in a negative way. "Man that FFXIV game sucks, it's awful!" That is the only thing that is allowed. "Hey, did you hear about that new FFXIV game? It's in a completely different genre and a totally different type of game than Defiance, but it sure is fun!" Is a no-no.

    That's actually a fantastic question, so I'll do my best to answer it.
    Discussion of a game can be things like "So, XXX game has XXX, I wish Defiance had that" or "I saw XXX in this game, how do you think that compares with XXX?"
    Advertising is something akin to "OMG this game is fantastic, you should all come play it!" or advertising for a guild in that game or whatever. When it encourages people to go play the game, it's advertising.

    Quote:

    Now let's move on the the part about singling people out....

    Fact #1 - At one time there were TWO recruitment threads for guilds in FFXIV. Not advertising the game, only recruiting for individual guilds. ONE of these threads was moved from Off Topic to the Deutsch General forum...

    Fact #2 - During the reign of one unnamed evil tyrannical mod, a thread was locked that was saying nice things about FFXIV. This mod suspended the OP of that thread, which happened to be the same OP of the previous guild recruitment thread, without warning. This was the OP's very first infraction, and it was a suspension.

    Fact #3 - A few days later, the OP makes a carefully thought out and well worded thread about FFXIV, but worded so that IN NO WAY could it be taken as advertisement (even had a disclaimer!). This immediately results in a 3 day suspension.

    Fact #4 - There have been numerous violations of the CoC tonight and there have been a total of zero bans. Meanwhile, registration to these forums is temporarily suspended due to "Maintenance". I wonder why...

    Your mod team is TOTALLY singling out one individual. Now please stop BSing us, and just leave Off Topic alone.
    Whilst I understand your frustration, I again say there is no singling out or witch hunts; that's not how our team operates, and if you feel there is one going on, I encourage the affected party to speak up (in a respectful, calm manner), using the email address provided in their warning/infraction.
    If at any time someone feels there's a CoC violation going on, report it, and we'll take a look at it. We may, in the end, determine it's not an actual violation, but on the other hand, it well may be.
    The entire moderation team operates according to the same Code of Conduct; we all read the same one you see. If you feel there's a difference in how a moderator operates, realize you may not know the entire picture/reason why something happened. Off Topic, while it has a different set of discussions than the general forums, is still part of the forum, and still covered by the CoC. As such, we can't just "leave it alone"; if a violation's occurring, we still have to handle it.
    I won't disrupt the thread with further back and forth'ing, as I know I can't change people's views on the team; you see only a limited amount of us, and it's always us having to swing the banhammer, as it were. But I know the entire team cares about the playerbase, and believes in fostering a good community.
  • 07-19-2013, 12:26 AM
    The Lady
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    They turned me into a newt!

    A newt?

    Sorry love that movie.
  • 07-19-2013, 12:32 AM
    Zabuza
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by The Lady View Post
    A newt?

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...11946592_n.jpg
  • 07-19-2013, 12:55 AM
    The Lady
    Now I am going to have to go watch that movie.
  • 07-19-2013, 03:16 AM
    Zabuza
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by The Lady View Post
    Now I am going to have to go watch that movie.


    About time for my annual viewing as well.
  • 07-19-2013, 08:53 AM
    Midnight Thirteen
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BlackR3ap3r View Post
    just tell us why your going all terminator on us and maybe we'll stop making threads that you don't agree with

    d'awww i thought I missed a reaper rant...
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