New Mod slot costs

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Originally Posted by Bored Peon

Sorry, I just do not see a player earning enough salvage to open 3 mod slots on an ego 3500+ weapon in one afternoon. The first slot is free. The ones after that are around 300k salvage total.

If the game allowed you to salvage multiple items at once then I could see it. However since they insist on salvaging multiple items such a pain in the *** it only makes salvage gathering that much more a pain in the ***.

There is a difference between working hard and grinding salvage out as a time sink and doing repetitive pain in the *** clicking as a time sink. One of the reasons why this game has gone so far down population wise. Developers simply do not listen or care enough to implement changes to improve the crappy user interface.

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Its because you CANT make that much in just 6 hours like he claims. He's making stuff up to try to back up his stance. Pay no attention to him.

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Originally Posted by Bored Peon

Sorry, I just do not see a player earning enough salvage to open 3 mod slots on an ego 3500+ weapon in one afternoon. The first slot is free. The ones after that are around 300k salvage total.

If the game allowed you to salvage multiple items at once then I could see it. However since they insist on salvaging multiple items such a pain in the *** it only makes salvage gathering that much more a pain in the ***.

There is a difference between working hard and grinding salvage out as a time sink and doing repetitive pain in the *** clicking as a time sink. One of the reasons why this game has gone so far down population wise. Developers simply do not listen or care enough to implement changes to improve the crappy user interface.

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Oh come on, are three button presses that hard? Enter enter up and enter. I can do my whole list of items in less then a minute. Just use the keyboard, not the mouse.

Oh, and if the options are crafting, or opening mod slots I will always be for crafting lets get that out there right now.

Now DarknessEyes PT had a list of matrix costs based on weapon rarity that I supported
* Fix salvage matrix add mod slot costs:
White:
1st slot: 1000
2nd slot: 2000
3rd slot: 4000
4th slot: 8000

Green:
1st slot: 2000
2nd slot: 4000
3rd slot: 8000
4th slot: 16000

Blue:
1st slot: 4000
2nd slot: 8000
3rd slot: 16000
4th slot: 32000

Purple:
1st slot: 8000
2nd slot: 16000
3rd slot: 32000
4th slot: 64000

Orange:
1st slot: 16000
2nd slot: 32000
3rd slot: 64000
4th slot: 128000

Which is both cheaper then it is now, and based on the important factor weapon rarity. If you've paid attention to weapon rolls you'd know that an orange can be far better, even though not all are. But as your arguments all lie in the base argument of it's too annoying to play the game, I can't support it. It cheapens the experience for all of us.

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Originally Posted by dbcameron

Oh come on, are three button presses that hard? Enter enter up and enter. I can do my whole list of items in less then a minute. Just use the keyboard, not the mouse.

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First off last I looked this game was played on multiple systems, PC, Xbox, and PS3. Who said anything about even having a keyboard to play with?

I am going to teach you a word. Can you say OWNED? Your argument just got OWNED.

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Originally Posted by dbcameron

But as your arguments all lie in the base argument of it's too annoying to play the game, I can't support it. It cheapens the experience for all of us.

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Right, game should be designed with crappy annoying interfaces. It just encourages people to want to play when a UI is poorly designed.

Remember that word I just taught you? OWNED again.

If I was you, I would not come back with some made up stats on how much salvage you make in 6 hours. Otherwise we will be using that OWNED word again.

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Originally Posted by Bored Peon

First off last I looked this game was played on multiple systems, PC, Xbox, and PS3. Who said anything about even having a keyboard to play with?

I am going to teach you a word. Can you say OWNED? Your argument just got OWNED.



Right, game should be designed with crappy annoying interfaces. It just encourages people to want to play when a UI is poorly designed.

Remember that word I just taught you? OWNED again.

If I was you, I would not come back with some made up stats on how much salvage you make in 6 hours. Otherwise we will be using that OWNED word again.

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He seems to forget that what cheapens the experience even more is having a system in a game that has aspects that render it useless to 95 percent of the player base. This guy is probably one of the guys who spends hundreds of dollars buying bits then talks about how easy it is to save up 350k in 6 hours. Just laughable at best

I play on the PS3, relatively easy to salvage 50+ items, takes maybe 3 min max.

As for Ark Salvage, I have farmed 300k in AS in less than a full afternoon. If you have loot bonuses you can pull it off easy. Pretty sure JiXSiN has made around 1Mill the past 3 weekends in a row.

All that being said, I would support the proposed reduction rates listed here.

P.S.

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Originally Posted by Bored Peon

First off last I looked this game was played on multiple systems, PC, Xbox, and PS3. Who said anything about even having a keyboard to play with?
I am going to teach you a word. Can you say OWNED? Your argument just got OWNED.
Right, game should be designed with crappy annoying interfaces. It just encourages people to want to play when a UI is poorly designed
Remember that word I just taught you? OWNED again.
If I was you, I would not come back with some made up stats on how much salvage you make in 6 hours. Otherwise we will be using that OWNED word again.

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Arrow key = D-pad
"Enter" = "X"
OWNED

Already stated a new UI is coming out with the DLC
OWNED

Just because you can't do something does not inherently make it not true. Just because you do not like something does not mean no one else does. YOu are entitled to your opinion, just don't state it as a fact. Plus, you know what they say about opinions...

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Originally Posted by RealHoosier07

I just played for a couple hours and didn't come close to what it costs me to open 3 mod slots on the guns I'm getting. No way I'm getting that much ark salvage in just a couple hours.

The bottom line is that it's too expensive right now and needs to be changed. The majority of the community agrees and so does Trion. One of the devs(Trick Dempsey?) just recently said that they crunched the numbers and found that you are more likely to win the California lottery than to have an orange weapon fully modded with synergy mods. Those odds are ridiculous. Lots of changes to mods in general are coming, and I can't wait. I have guns now that I want to keep and I don't get rid of them unless I get something I like better.

I have way too many weapons that I don't have modded out because I can't make enough ark salvage to mod them all out. It makes grinding not worth the hassle, so people don't do it very much. And yes the ark salvage is the same at lower levels as it is at higher levels. No difference in what you gain, thats why the developers are changing the whole thing. A complete revamp of the mods, matrix system, synergies.

I play quite a bit, so it's not like I don't play enough to get the ark salvage. It takes hours upon hours to save up 50,000 ark salvage. Thats what it costs me to unlock ONE mod slot right now. The other 2 are even more expensive to unlock. And once you DO get one gun unlocked, it's ridiculous to try to get the correct synergies to go with it. I've spent a fortune on synergy mods and only got 2 of the mods I needed. Yes, I can trade and all that, but you shouldn't be shackled to trading in a game.
I want cheap costs for mod slots, and an immersive crafting system that requires a lot of grinding, but rewards you with the items you want instead of a "chance" at getting a mod you need. Nobody is against grinding this game..we just want a reason to do it. The costs of opening mods is horrible when you add in the fact that you may never even get those mods.

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Pretty sure he was referring to getting that weapon without trading/buying from other players. If you rely only on drops/Lockboxes, I could see this being true...

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Originally Posted by RealHoosier07

...solid suggestion

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Sounds ideal to me. I know a few who think they shouldn't have to pay that for an Oj weap, but then again they don't think the rules should apply to them in the first place >.>

First do nothing but back to back arkfalls for six hours, you'll be shocked, you'll be even more surprised when you leave a major in the middle to catch a minor and then go back to the major. I call it bracketing but you can call me whatever you want. I've had boosts to weapon leveling, but that's just because I despise the BMG.

When someone says click, I think mouse. maybe I'm wrong maybe they're talking about a controller, which by the by this UI was designed for. That's why you get a vast majority of people complaining about it from the computer side of things. Again UI redesign is coming down the road so I'm of course going to pass it off as a non issue.

I was going to say we have an idea in common we should move the argument towards that, instead I shall point you in the direction of what Miatreakow has stated. JxSiN has made over 1 million in ark slavage in two days time. He had at least a 25% boost from the event and who knows how much time he spent in game and active. It takes on average about a quarter of that for me to fully mod a weapon, and as I make more ego levels that amount is plummeting closer to the 150k range. THis is not hard to accuire by any means and really the only people I can see having a problem achieving this are the people who refuse to play the game.

Again I say this is not the issue we should be debating. There are far more questionable decisions in this game based on trading and acquiring mods that we should be far more concerned with addressing.