Loosing faith in Defiance fast

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Originally Posted by Gomly

According to small print, read - the legal side of things, it will be released between 2013 and 2014 so that gives up until December 2014.

People are hoping for it all to be out before season 2 but legally it doesn't have to be.

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Agreed. Unfortunately, folks are going on what the original EP said regarding all 5 within the first game year. No, that is not a legal standing, what is in the DLC purchase contract is what matters from a legal stand point.

However, given that, is anyone shocked that the original EP is gone, the team suffered massive layoffs, and now the studio division for Defiance has been closed and those that are left are being moved up to Redwood . . . you know, the professional Trion studio where the big boys work (which I say because the Redwood division knows how to make an MMO).

Which I hope works out for the better, because either the original development team did not have the experience to make such a game, or the management team was completely clueless.

Sadly, you would be surprised how many Video Game management teams are absolutely clueless in the industry, and are actually the main reasons a game is screwed-up. SOE management is known for this, to name a popular example.

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Originally Posted by Maitreakow

Still trying to understand why people reference the first year of the game. The legal agreement for the DLC states 2013-2014. Technically they have until Dec 2014. Hope it doesn't go that long, but I won't flip out if it does...

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In the website where i purchased Defiance the dlc details said "5 dlcs this year" (2013) :)
Thanks god that i dont pre order stuff :)

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Originally Posted by Rasczak

Agreed. Unfortunately, folks are going on what the original EP said regarding all 5 within the first game year. No, that is not a legal standing, what is in the DLC purchase contract is what matters from a legal stand point.

However, given that, is anyone shocked that the original EP is gone, the team suffered massive layoffs, and now the studio division for Defiance has been closed and those that are left are being moved up to Redwood . . . you know, the professional Trion studio where the big boys work (which I say because the Redwood division knows how to make an MMO).

Which I hope works out for the better, because I've honestly, personally, known indie development teams who's games didn't have half the issue Defiance did under the original team.

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I'm hoping for good things to come with the move, time will tell of course but all things considered things can only go up from here.

I'm not shocked the original EP went nor do the layoffs or the move surprise me. While no-one likes to see people lose their jobs, the shortfalls of the game so far were bound to cause issues with the company.

We're all hoping things will turn around but is it too little too late?

We've seen more communication from them recently but with regards to substantial information .... nothing has changed there.

I'm not going to slam the CM's because it is nice that they are (finally) getting involved and they are doing their job. Information would be nice but I suppose time needs to be given with all the recent shake ups.

The only thing I really care about is the PR crap they keep spouting. It's insulting because most of us have an IQ above plankton and know PR speak means absolutely nothing.

If they are going to talk to us, do it like people not like you're presenting your case to a board of semi drunk Gerbils.

PR talk is my one pet hate when it comes to companies. No one is daft enough to believe it but they keep spewing it.

I'm just surprised that some people out there don't know (or see) the difference between lose and loose.

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Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p

I'm just surprised that some people out there don't know (or see) the difference between lose and loose.

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That does make me giggle.

The amount of people who mistake the two is hilarious.

Trying to explain is more amusing....

Loose = your pants when you forget your belt.
Lose = not winning.

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Originally Posted by Gomly

That does make me giggle.

The amount of people who mistake the two is hilarious.

Trying to explain is more amusing....

Loose = your pants when you forget your belt.
Lose = not winning.

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Lose = LFC

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Originally Posted by Gomly

I'm hoping for good things to come with the move, time will tell of course but all things considered things can only go up from here.

I'm not shocked the original EP went nor do the layoffs or the move surprise me. While no-one likes to see people lose their jobs, the shortfalls of the game so far were bound to cause issues with the company.

We're all hoping things will turn around but is it too little too late?

We've seen more communication from them recently but with regards to substantial information .... nothing has changed there.

I'm not going to slam the CM's because it is nice that they are (finally) getting involved and they are doing their job. Information would be nice but I suppose time needs to be given with all the recent shake ups.

The only thing I really care about is the PR crap they keep spouting. It's insulting because most of us have an IQ above plankton and know PR speak means absolutely nothing.

If they are going to talk to us, do it like people not like you're presenting your case to a board of semi drunk Gerbils.

PR talk is my one pet hate when it comes to companies. No one is daft enough to believe it but they keep spewing it.

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The funny thing is, the complete PR fiasco is following the exact, same formula that SOE might as well have patented during the SWG days. This is the exact same PR song and dance, and even formula, I well remember from back then.

But, whatever. It's their loss in the end, not mine.

The Defiance panel at Comic Con discussed how missions and story content would appear in the Defiance game between Season 1 and Season 2 that would bridge the gap between the seasons. Nolan would be returning to the bay area, and the bounty put on him by Varus expanded upon since it also plays a subplot role to a greater degree in Season 2.

At this stage, given how long it's taken them for the first of five DLCs, the constant shake-ups on the development side (first the lay-offs, then the change in leadership, and now the studio being shuttered), confidence in the game's future is through the floor on the consumer side. There are 10 months between now and the debut of Season 2. If I were Trion, I would not wait until 9 months from now to start releasing content to bridge the thing. They need to keep people interested: now.

Outside of the new race, charged weapons, a new PvP map, and the return of Sieges (so not anything new as far as they are concerned), a vast majority of the DLC notes appear to be nothing more than bug fixes and nerfs--- things that a normal MMO would have patched into a regular update. Even the DLC's awaited multiplayer map was reduced to a solo map.

At this point, if I am going to stick with the game, I might order a Season Pass from Steam for $30, which is $6 per DLC. Right now, the DLC is sure as heck not looking like a $10 value.

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Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p

I'm just surprised that some people out there don't know (or see) the difference between lose and loose.

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Oh oh the invasion of the grammar Na.zi's:rolleyes:

I haven't played this game for 2 or 3 months (and I did buy the Ultimate Edition), since I wanted to give it some time to fix bugs, add content, DLCs. Not much have changed since then I guess, maybe except shutting down the studio. Why am I not even surprised, sigh.

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Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p

I'm just surprised that some people out there don't know (or see) the difference between lose and loose.

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That's part of the fun mate.