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Don't get why companies find it necessary to try and cover things up. Trick did a great job of explaining why the turret was removed during his ktam interview, yet all over Trion employees chose to try and hide the issue. All I know is I'm done believing anything Trion says.
http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...e-a-turret-huh
Yup, they'll lie and delete the evidence after the fact.
Everybody lies. (c) House, M.D.
Would I lie to you baby?Quote:
Originally Posted by August Barkley
Would I lie to you?
Trion works for E-rep
Ok so someone creates a thread about them initially showing the Raptor with a turret and says it was supposed to have one and you create a thread to comment on how that thread shows it with a turret and that it was supposed to have one.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0_d4RK_FaLLen
Well here's the thing. Concepts and original intentions are not always what was planned to make it to the final game. These are likely ideas they were throwing around and testing to see how workable they were. It's like seeing a book of concept art and saying "see they should look like this. That's what they said they'd look like." Sometimes, they want to but don't intend to include something and they delete the idea because they can't make it work right. They may even come back and put it back in later.
It's also just possible that they really wanted to put turrets on it, but then thought better of it. I can't imagine just how many Raptors with Turrets would show up at arkfalls and everything else causing complete lag out of everyone if they had left the Turrets in. And, they also might have decided that it would be more fun to have turrets outside of vehicles instead. Saying you can't trust them because they changed their minds is ridiculous. Do people do that in your life? Have you ever told someone you'd like to go to a movie with them and then don't go? And then do they tell you they can never trust you again?
This is quickly becoming a joke and likely to make all devs just stop sharing anything with fans. Why ever release concept ideas or early versions of anything if when you change your mind someone says, "I will never trust you again"? I hope people hold you to the same standard.
there has been more than just 1 lie or miss communicationQuote:
Originally Posted by Indra Echo
Not to mention he posted pics from the alpha test server. how is that concept? like I said I'm fine with it being removed, trick gave actual details on why its not in game. my problem is with the multiple statements they were/are incorrect and they seem to try and cover it up or just flat out deny it ever happened.
They never lied and this is getting downright annoying the demand and threat topics being posted by people who cant just shut up and stop annoying everyone else. And before you say that I havn't been hear long I've been here since Closed Beta and made several walkthroughs for tough boss fights. Anyways read your Terms & Agreements involving CoC -> Demand & Threat Posts/Slander if you don't and you get your topic closed and your account suspended/banned it's your fault.
Let's be honest now. A lot of people make assumptions based on mishearing or misrepresenting information. This is why everyone, including myself, thought the vehicle would have Warthog like turret shooting and why so many others thought the consoles would have their own test server.
Game development is fluid, not static. Things change on a daily basis. If Trion was guilty of anything, it's not correcting bad information fast enough. This is why so many companies, including Trion, practice a "less is more" policy" and they don't comment on rumors.
I stand with NeoDraven. This isn't a public forum to broadcast your disappointment with Trion. This is in fact their forum, not yours, not mine. Show some respect when making thread titles and posting in them. :cool:
except there is pictures/threads to prove itQuote:
Originally Posted by NeoDraven
this dude doesn't question anything
your government never lies lol
Both dahanese and Sledge did lie about it. And then once the E3 DLC Preview video started circulating they took that video down. Then they took down one of Nathan Richardsson's blogs which mentioned it as the "...the truck of doomed compensation."Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoDraven
What kept the issue alive was that after TW did all of this to cover it up we found a duplicate video on youtube from MMORPG.com and they had zero control over that.
So finally Trick straightened things out on the livestream and was honest in the fact that up until now they were simply too incompetent to make it work.
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Originally Posted by NeoDraven
Naa they never lied
except when before launch dlc was supposed to be in first week only it wasn't
except when they said orange weapons drop from random mobs only they don't
except when they said and showed a gun on the new truck only their isn't
except when they said co-op arenas only they arnt
except when they said dlc in july only it wasn't
except everytime they said info soon only never gave it
except when they said they was just waiting on release approval from xbox and sony only they wasn't
except when they said dlc was finished only it wasn't
except when they claimed to fix bugs only they didn't
except when they claimed they wasn't ripping people off with the boosts only they was
except when they first claimed episode content each week only their wasn't.
except when they claimed there would be new episode content even after show season ended only their hasn't been.
and the list continues to grow.
nope these wasn't lies, just exaggerated truths meant for the player base to believe in order to continue hanging on, gimme a break
Big difference between lies and things changing. Unless its a finnished design and are confirmed 100% then it says more about you posting about them telling lies.
To be fair, they did and they were called out on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoDraven
Several sources were quoted and a video was found ...... the internets knows all.
Its not a lie
Its just not the truth...
That is one point where you are wrong. Nathan's blog post calling it the truck of doom is still exactly where it has always been Page 14 of the community blogs, under the post entitled "YOU JUST KEEP COMING BACK FOR MORE! BUT NOW WHAT? LET’S TALK POTENTIAL." under the section talking about DLC it mentions it twice...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cavadus
Since the belief it was taken down seems to have been based on hear-say, what else is also based on rumours?
between you and me - I'd really prefer people broadcasting their disappointment here, where trion could acknowledge it and remove the topic afterwards. When disappointment start hitting other (really public) forums it will quickly affect the bottom line.Quote:
Originally Posted by WARDUKE
Yeah Shady .. you got it double N right. When (or if) there will be finished design .. everything will be fine ...Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimShady78
No, they just implied that it would be. Leading your costumers on is not lying. Marketing 101. Just ask Gearbox Software.
Yep, this sounds like the most accurate description of try'ns track record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wraieth
Ha! How many people got blocked on his twitter following the Aliens debacle?Quote:
Originally Posted by TwwiX
YES!....... Waiter, check please! This B*&@% be crazy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gomly
Your words, they wound me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atticus Batman
Oooh snap. Lol. I'm still vested in the game as I've spent way too much money to give up on it but the people on here telling others not to criticize the issues with this game. Wtf are you the mainstream media? Can't speak unless its positive. If things are broke or not right speak out on it. That's the only way things get resolved.Quote:
Originally Posted by TwwiX
See the above quote. That's what killed aliens colonial marine. Some people fall for the Carfox puppet, I wanna see the Carfax and apparently so do others. Beauty of free speech.
You KNOW you still love me.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gomly
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It's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atticus Batman
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Both Overlord and Dahanese are public relations. Trick is a game developer. He's obviously going to know more about the development process.
I don't think Overlord and Dahanese were "lying". I just think they were repeating what they were told by the devs.
What gets me is they say one thing, and then they can't pull off their good idea for some reason. Then, instead of saying "We changed X because of Y" they delete anything they put out connected to X and don't mention it again.
And for the record, they're not lying, their DLC is "evolving." Buying the season pass when they said it was going to be great, and then getting the half hearted mess they decided to make instead, that makes us idiots, not them liars. Read the fine print suckers.
And if you believe their going to put out 5 solid DLCs by the start of the next season of the show, I've got a bridge I'll sell ya. I look for about 2 legit DLCs and 3 big patches with little updates to the last DLC, like a new kind of sword or something. Then we can all come on here and read threads about how no one ever said there would be 5 DLCs. :p
Hey -Quote:
Originally Posted by 0_d4RK_FaLLen
Here's the deal: I have absolutely no reason to lie to you. If I was told something else, I would tell you. Honestly, there's not a single rational reason for me to want to debate this more and have you guys be pissed and not trusting me.
The turret situation is a great example of stuff that we've bungled in the past with communication. I can't go back in time and make that not happen - but we can move forward and be better. So can we call a truce on that?
We know that shooting from cars is something you guys want. I'm not going to promise you'll get it, but I can promise that if you say it's a high priority, we'll keep put it high on the lists we give to devs.
http://editingmodernism.ca/wp-conten...rom-batman.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Gomly
Feel better, Lil' Gomly?
Everything that Trion ever thought might happen has been categorized as a lie. People want it both ways. They want Trion to share their development process and what they're working on (because dang it we DESERVE this) AND they want to say these things are all promises and that Trion's lying when these dev things don't see the light of day.Quote:
Originally Posted by A s0t
I pity all of you. You've wasted your lives on this game. Oh the humanities. Oh the good things you could have been doing if a deceptive Trion had not forced you to waste your money on buying a game (you had no choice), playing that game (again, no choice and it was horrible), and all the lies (because they intentionally wanted to piss everyone off by lying so they wouldn't love them anymore).
Ever play the game called gossip? Get a group together and tell someone a secret. They tell the next person and so on until it comes back to you. It very likely will be nothing like what you started the game with. Were those people lying? Being mean and evil by changing your words? Well this happens here too and the devs are real people but by all means crap on them and call it a reality sandwich.
If you lost money, complain. If you bought the game and never could play it, well I'd ask why you kept it, but complain, first by trying to actually get support to help you. You'd be surprised how many people never contact support but then use this forum to um complain about things. Just yesterday I helped 2 friends contact support (one got instant help) over problems they were complaining about-they weren't nasty but you'd be surprised how many are that have never tried to help themselves.
DLC. People love to say it was promised this date, that date, here there and everywhere. Some of it is wishful thinking on the part of fans. They say "Season Pass, you lied." When guess what Bioshock Infinite has a Season Pass and no tv show tie in-it's what DLC bundles are often called when they aren't map packs only. And Season Pass is used all over the entertainment industry and can mean many things, a year, a season, or even a school term. First week DLC, yeah people need to get over the idea that DLC was going to ever be released right away. That's ludicrous. People that think that have never heard of EA or Mass Effect 3 and DAY One DLC. Part of the crap storm over ME3 started with the release of DAY One DLC but you could go back further to Assassin's Creed 2 and Dragon Age Origins where people were angry over DLC that seemed to have been cut from the game and made into DLC just to get more money. By contrast, Trion is actually releasing DLC that incorporates things we've asked for-had they released this DLC the first week after the game came out, they'd have been accused of money sucking AND could never have added on things we asked for. The complaints would have been even harsher than what some do now. And, the Season Pass, there would have been no advance bonuses for getting it since many people didn't get the game right away.
Lying. I save that for people that actually lie. This thread is an example of someone interpreting something one way and then characterizing it as a lie or a reason not to trust Trion. Again, I sincerely doubt anyone thinking like this wants to be held to the same standards in their personal or professional life. But that's me. I don't trust companies anyway. I pay money for things. If they deliver, I'm ok with that. If they don't, I deal with that. If I like their product, I hope to be constructive in criticism to make it better. If I don't, I live with my mistakes and move on.
Much better buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atticus Batman
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lets do some trust exercises:
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Until release, any picture even from a test (note the word test) is a concept. Upon release if something still indicates something was to be there that is not, it's a bug and not intended.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0_d4RK_FaLLen
They made statements saying the turret was not intended or considered for the game. You are applying strict meaning to what they said and saying that's a lie or just incorrect. But it's like anything else. People need to stop using semantics to try and read into what they meant or mean. Again, they are humans. If I say "I hope to see you after tomorrow" that doesn't mean the very next day and I could be thinking that tomorrow I can't see you because I'm going out of town. I might mean I'll see you next week or in a month. Both are after tomorrow. And it might be based on just how my family says things. Or how people from my neck of the woods do.
I had a friend who once said we'd meet for coffee and I thought we were going out for coffee the next morning. She meant on the phone at breakfast. That was her fun way of saying it. I didn't tell her I can no longer trust her or hate her for it. I laughed at my misunderstanding.
Don't get me wrong. A lot of companies do treat customers badly but I'm sorry if I don't see Trion as doing that. They've offered numerous ways for people to contact them, are using suggestions, have fixed every problem I've communicated with them about, contribute here, have given refunds for things people didn't get, offered free things, given me a game I've had a lot of fun with (even have laughed over some of the bugs at times), and have included fun contests, and in game and out of game added content and discussion. They've done far more than I've seen other companies do and what do they get for it? Wah, where's my DLC. Wah, they can't be trusted because something they have not released yet doesn't have something on it they never said they'd release it with. I take it back, I'm not sorry. I really think people need to stop acting like they're perfection personified and Trion can do nothing right.
@Indra Echo, so when are you throwing Wraieth under the bus??
why do you insist I said they lied? I said I will no longer trust anything they say. as for the pic, its just more of the same, it never had a turret yet it is labeled as a turret. I personally don't care if it has or doesn't have a turret. I have already stated trick explained the reason behind it, my issue is how they chose to deal with the turret or other issues. do I believe Elizabeth or greg just straight up lied, no. do I believe the communication amongst trion departments and fellow employees is atrocious, yeah. so many of the issues could have been solved by just coming out and explaining the issue/reason.Instead we get multiple answers/view points further adding to the issue. I hope the dlc is really good and defiance can live up to a least som e of the potential, but at this point in time I chose to no longer believe anything they say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indra Echo
Apologists need to read this over and over again and reference each point with threads that are well explored and abundant right here. It's still not getting through the thicker skulls. Hell, that list isn't nearly half complete, but it should be enough for anyone to view and open up a dialogue about what IS glaringly obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wraieth
It isn't slander if it's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoDraven;1138...[B
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Originally Posted by Wiggle Pooh
pretty sure he meant libel but even that doesn't apply.