To the men and woman serving!

I will not argue about politics or war in a game forum, so please take my words literally:

My respect and salutes to all who serves with compromise and will to protect the innocent. I can understand the point of view of those who hate armed conflict and mainly agree with them, may it seems a nonsense there are a vast majority of military men and women who would prefer not to risk their lives, but they do because they believe its the right thing to do.

Yet this said, this thread should be moved asap to avoid free trolling.

Medically retired spanish G.O.E. sniper.

P.D. Sorry in advance about my english, just in case I misspelled something.

good more people to ignore

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good more people to ignore

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this right here is why this thread should not have been made in this forum. all you've done is work yourself up over it and start ignoring people with a difference of opinion on a subject that will always ALWAYS be politicized regardless of your original intent.

i'm sure there are plenty of lurkers who never visit the off topic forum. you post it in general and any general chat lurker with an opinion is going to pipe in.

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Originally Posted by Acero

I will not argue about politics or war in a game forum, so please take my words literally:

My respect and salutes to all who serves with compromise and will to protect the innocent. I can understand the point of view of those who hate armed conflict and mainly agree with them, may it seems a nonsense there are a vast majority of military men and women who would prefer not to risk their lives, but they do because they believe its the right thing to do.

Yet this said, this thread should be moved asap to avoid free trolling.

Medically retired spanish G.O.E. sniper.

P.D. Sorry in advance about my english, just in case I misspelled something.

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no worries yah i posted in the wrong section thats my fault hopefully it will get moved soon!
and welcome fellow sniper!

always entertains me how brave people can be when on the internet.

hello rhodezie dont you just hate the fact the young ones do milling with head guards now

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i tried to join the navy in 1993 when i graduated high school. at 5'8" 200 lbs of pure varsity football muscle i was not allowed due to asthma, severe environmental allergies and an unacceptable astigmatism.

was a different time then though. i don't think that kinda stuff matters so much anymore. my grandfather was bummed to be sure, he was a ww2 navy vet, but at least one of my cousins was able to avoid allergy/asthma genes and he's still i the navy today.

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sailors do not face the risks infantry do yes navy seals do yes naval pilots do sailors no

Thanks people for keeping me entertained for half an hour with your pointless arguments, now i hope mods lock this since the thread serves no purposs being so offtopic as it is.
Also +1 for Mcdragon for having 25 posts in this topic without contributing to hes own thread at all and for not knowing how to use multi-quote/ report thread to mods actually notice it *facepalm*
please continue and have a good day.

Still... noone forced anyone to join military full time. Why the special treatment and lucks. Its not like its the only dangerous and very important job on earth.
Should we do separate thread for all of them (for ex firefighters, police, astro/cosmo/taikonauts, etc).

I'm a veteran myself, My husband still serves and I think this thread does not belong here. I suspect by the time I finish this post 2 more pages will have passed already.

I know the OP already apologized and asked for a mod to move it, but it is far too heated a topic regardless of what country you are in.

It is very disrespectful how some of the replies int his thread have represented themselves.

Please move this thread to off-topic.

I was a Supply Sergeant in the 81st Brigade Combat Team (Oregon Army National Guard). Deployed to Iraq, volunteered for Katrina assistance, played in wonderful and tropical Panama, and graduated from the Fort. Benning School of Recreational Skydiving (it was in my contract and I loved skydiving before I signed up).

I've served with members of the Japanese Civil Defense Force, the Israeli Military, The Princess of Wales Royal Regiment, and more U.S. units than I can remember. And, above all else, I can say this... A Marine can drink pretty much everyone else under the table except for a Scottish Sergeant Major.

My hat is off to all of you who have worn a uniform. This is not just for military uniforms, but any uniform where you serve a greater purpose and offer a level of self sacrifice for the common good: military, law enforcement, firefighting, public safety, paramedic. We are all brothers and sisters and I would be honored to meet and share a drink with you.

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Still... noone forced anyone to join military full time. Why the special treatment and lucks. Its not like its the only dangerous and very important job on earth.
Should we do separate thread for all of them (for ex firefighters, police, astro/cosmo/taikonauts, etc).

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actually my current job is a firefighter so hmmm?

Massive respect for troops all around the world.
It takes balls to put your life on the line.

And anyone who can do p-coy is alright in my book

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Still... noone forced anyone to join military full time. Why the special treatment and lucks. Its not like its the only dangerous and very important job on earth.
Should we do separate thread for all of them (for ex firefighters, police, astro/cosmo/taikonauts, etc).

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Unless your in North Korea where every citizen is part of the national army

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Unless your in North Korea where every citizen is part of the national army

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yup and they still have countries were you need to enlist according to the law.
also most countries will have somekind of law that says that every citizen above 18 years, can be called to arms in times of war.
meaning that everyone would need to join the military in order to protect their country.

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yup and they still have countries were you need to enlist according to the law.
also most countries will have somekind of law that says that every citizen above 18 years, can be called to arms in times of war.
meaning that everyone would need to join the military in order to protect their country.

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National service is what your talking about and its usually for only 2-4 years. In the UK and infact the full Commonwealth in times of war the Queen has the power to call up all physically fit citizens to help fight in the war.

Wesley Smith
Medically Retired Marine
3rd Marines 3rd Battalion, America's Battalion OOORAH!!

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National service is what your talking about and its usually for only 2-4 years. In the UK and infact the full Commonwealth in times of war the Queen has the power to call up all physically fit citizens to help fight in the war.

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Yep the queen can also call up australians to fight too :/

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Yep the queen can also call up australians to fight too :/

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Thats why I said Commonwealth as Australia is part of the Commonwealth

i am a veteran. former u.s army. i have nothing but love and respect for any who has served, is serving, or has honestly tried even if you couldnt get in because of say, a medical thing. i really think that anyone who hasnt served in the military has no right to flame those who have, you havent earned the right because its people like the veterans and active duty, even the spouses that have made it possible for you to even have a right to voice your opinion. troops arent politicians so people shouldnt look down on them for the crappy job you may or may not think a goverment is doing. plain and simple HOOAH!!!

Personally I think the military is pointless in today's world. Heck most of the wars the US are in was staged by them for oil or other reasons, Heck look at what's funding most of our wars "drugs". People can join the military and go fight for the corporation of this world but I would rather the billions of dollars every year be spent on more useful things such a space travel, and scientific research. That being said the only solders I would ever have respect for are the are the ones that fought the British, civil war and the world wars.

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Personally I think the military is pointless in today's world. Heck most of the wars the US are in was staged by them for oil or other reasons, Heck look at what's funding most of our wars "drugs". People can join the military and go fight for the corporation of this world but I would rather the billions of dollars every year be spent on more useful things such a space travel, and scientific research. That being said the only solders I would ever have respect for are the are the ones that fought the British, civil war and the world wars.

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I guess my time in Kosovo fallujah Iraq and afganistan was for corporations. Thanks for clearing that up!!!! What a Naive point of view.

Probably one of the most close minded things i have heard in a long time. I hope your tinfoil hat protects you from contrails and the Illuminati.

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Personally I think the military is pointless in today's world. Heck most of the wars the US are in was staged by them for oil or other reasons, Heck look at what's funding most of our wars "drugs". People can join the military and go fight for the corporation of this world but I would rather the billions of dollars every year be spent on more useful things such a space travel, and scientific research. That being said the only solders I would ever have respect for are the are the ones that fought the British, civil war and the world wars.

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Well when you find that perfect world where there is no war, let us know. In the mean time, there are soldiers fighting, and dying, for you. Don't respect that? Then that's a shame. Enjoy your freedom. That being said

Sgt Greenberg
US Army Infantry

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Personally I think the military is pointless in today's world. Heck most of the wars the US are in was staged by them for oil or other reasons, Heck look at what's funding most of our wars "drugs". People can join the military and go fight for the corporation of this world but I would rather the billions of dollars every year be spent on more useful things such a space travel, and scientific research. That being said the only solders I would ever have respect for are the are the ones that fought the British, civil war and the world wars.

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like i said...its the gov that puts our country out there in the positions we are in now, thats why we need a military because believe it or not...there are real people/countries that hate and want to kill all things american. im gonna guess that you have never served...and im gonna hope you never have to leave your keyboard and do what so many other brave people volunteer for. one thing of which is to let people like you hide behind and voice your opinion from that keyboard. lol.

Semper Fi! and thanks for all you do.

First off, God Bless our Soilders.....

Now thats is taking care of, i do not get the fetish with the military.
Unless you sign up in a time of war, you get no special respect from me.
Sign up on peace time and you get zilch from me. We all know why you signed up, seldom is it
for love of your country, more to do with bragging rights and some of the bets schooling available.

I am not afraid to die for my country and will serve when NEEDED. When my country is actively invaded by a foreign government or our own corrupt leadership, then i will grab my rifle and protect what belongs to me, and i am not afraid to die for that cause.

In the meantime, i will not enlist to fight in a war of which i know nothing about simply because some General instructs me to shoot at so & so person.

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Now thats is taking care of, i do not get the fetish with the military.
Unless you sign up in a time of war, you get no special respect from me.
Sign up on peace time and you get zilch from me. We all know why you signed up, seldom is it
for love of your country, more to do with bragging rights and some of the bets schooling available.

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In my family, if you are not in the service (or police, fire fighting, or paramedic) by age 25, you are no longer invited to the family reunion. However, that said, my family has had a long and honorable military service since long before the Americas were colonized by Europe. As in dating back to the time of the Crusades.

More recently, my family joined the Colonial forces after having been sent over by the Crown to put down the uprising. They believed in the freedom and ideology espoused by the United States. For their service, we were given a small plot of land in New York for a supply depot (still called Ellenburg Depot--my surname).

I will admit that one of the reasons I signed up was for the college money. I signed in July of 2000. I went into the National Guard so that I could pursue my degree through ROTC and obtain a commission. However, my reason for signing up was not the college money, that was just a perk. My reason was for patriotism and love of country.

So, before you heap all of any group into one pot, perhaps you should examine more of your motives for attempting to do so. Sure, there are some who signed up for the college or for the job skills, but there are far more who signed up for the same reason their fathers and grandfathers signed up... because they love their country.

Oh, and before you say anything bad about the National Guard, I served in CONUS (Continental United States) for three forest fires, two severe winter storms (blizzards), and volunteered to assist with Katrina. I never once passed up a voluntary duty where I could aid my fellow human beings and alleviate their suffering... even going so far as to stay in New Orleans after my unit returned to Oregon so I could assist with the Salvation Army in their duties... without pay.

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Thats why I said Commonwealth as Australia is part of the Commonwealth

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Yep which the british commonwealth consists of half the planet rofl v.v well probly about a 3rd now

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First off, God Bless our Soilders.....

Now thats is taking care of, i do not get the fetish with the military.
Unless you sign up in a time of war, you get no special respect from me.
Sign up on peace time and you get zilch from me. We all know why you signed up, seldom is it
for love of your country, more to do with bragging rights and some of the bets schooling available.

I am not afraid to die for my country and will serve when NEEDED. When my country is actively invaded by a foreign government or our own corrupt leadership, then i will grab my rifle and protect what belongs to me, and i am not afraid to die for that cause.

In the meantime, i will not enlist to fight in a war of which i know nothing about simply because some General instructs me to shoot at so & so person.

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The American and British government is already corrupt so is half of the planet did you know george bush went to harvard uni with Osama bin laden

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I was a Supply Sergeant in the 81st Brigade Combat Team (Oregon Army National Guard). Deployed to Iraq, volunteered for Katrina assistance, played in wonderful and tropical Panama, and graduated from the Fort. Benning School of Recreational Skydiving (it was in my contract and I loved skydiving before I signed up).

I've served with members of the Japanese Civil Defense Force, the Israeli Military, The Princess of Wales Royal Regiment, and more U.S. units than I can remember. And, above all else, I can say this... A Marine can drink pretty much everyone else under the table except for a Scottish Sergeant Major.

My hat is off to all of you who have worn a uniform. This is not just for military uniforms, but any uniform where you serve a greater purpose and offer a level of self sacrifice for the common good: military, law enforcement, firefighting, public safety, paramedic. We are all brothers and sisters and I would be honored to meet and share a drink with you.

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I worked as a postman once - we wore uniforms ;) does that count too? If so, thank you :cool:

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Personally I think the military is pointless in today's world. Heck most of the wars the US are in was staged by them for oil or other reasons, Heck look at what's funding most of our wars "drugs". People can join the military and go fight for the corporation of this world but I would rather the billions of dollars every year be spent on more useful things such a space travel, and scientific research. That being said the only solders I would ever have respect for are the are the ones that fought the British, civil war and the world wars.

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You underestimate the self determination for power some people on earth have. The military is now more important than ever for there are countries on earth that would seek to disrupt peace no matter what the consequences. It is human nature after all.

As for "That being said the only solders I would ever have respect for are the are the ones that fought the British, civil war and the world wars" im not british im Scottish but that still offends me as no matter what you think your country was founded by the British, French, Spanish and Dutch people who later became the first Americans (Excluding native americans who where there long before that).



Ive fought in places around the world and I respect all soldiers who fight for their country.


Please note this is not me trying to cause an argument, the facts can be found anywhere online.

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You underestimate the self determination for power some people on earth have. The military is now more important than ever for there are countries on earth that would seek to disrupt peace no matter what the consequences. It is human nature after all.

As for "That being said the only solders I would ever have respect for are the are the ones that fought the British, civil war and the world wars" im not british im Scottish but that still offends me as no matter what you think your country was founded by the British, French, Spanish and Dutch people who later became the first Americans (Excluding native americans who where there long before that).



Ive fought in places around the world and I respect all soldiers who fight for their country.


Please note this is not me trying to cause an argument, the facts can be found anywhere online.

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you know how many people ive tried explaining this to all white people in the americas derive from europeans and they dont beleive me native americans are tanned in skin colour and spoke navajo

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Personally I think the military is pointless in today's world. Heck most of the wars the US are in was staged by them for oil or other reasons, Heck look at what's funding most of our wars "drugs". People can join the military and go fight for the corporation of this world but I would rather the billions of dollars every year be spent on more useful things such a space travel, and scientific research. That being said the only solders I would ever have respect for are the are the ones that fought the British, civil war and the world wars.

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If the military is fighting for oil and fighting for it based on lies and corruption who fights for your freedom??? the smurfs?? or barbie??

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Personally I think the military is pointless in today's world. Heck most of the wars the US are in was staged by them for oil or other reasons, Heck look at what's funding most of our wars "drugs". People can join the military and go fight for the corporation of this world but I would rather the billions of dollars every year be spent on more useful things such a space travel, and scientific research. That being said the only solders I would ever have respect for are the are the ones that fought the British, civil war and the world wars.

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to believe that every war is based on resources and land is foolish to think of, the fact that ppl are making money of war is obvious, but don't be so stupid to believe that america is going to war for their own goodwill, if that was the case the entire world would be fighting with each other in order to gain the most wealth or resources.

Wars happen, the reason is 9/10 times today because of the government that rules in that area (look at Syria, Libya and so on) the people are finally able to strike back at their corrupted and dictated government and able to rise up in order to gain Democracy and knowing that the UN might support them.

i have to agree that yes in today's world an Army or the Military is becoming less and less necessary since there aren't that much big wars or big conflicts that require a huge army but they are necessary in order to still defend the country and help the people within it's borders, also there is always going to be war no matter how you turn it around, people will always fight, it's their instinct.

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Originally Posted by Aaricane

First off, God Bless our Soilders.....

Now thats is taking care of, i do not get the fetish with the military.
Unless you sign up in a time of war, you get no special respect from me.
Sign up on peace time and you get zilch from me. We all know why you signed up, seldom is it
for love of your country, more to do with bragging rights and some of the bets schooling available.

I am not afraid to die for my country and will serve when NEEDED. When my country is actively invaded by a foreign government or our own corrupt leadership, then i will grab my rifle and protect what belongs to me, and i am not afraid to die for that cause.

In the meantime, i will not enlist to fight in a war of which i know nothing about simply because some General instructs me to shoot at so & so person.

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Like said from someone else in his post, College and Degrees are Perks, joining the military is about fighting for your country and serving your nation, i myself am in the Dutch Army and although i can follow several educations and after i finish them just leave the army with better schooling but for me that is not the reason i joined the army, the reason for me and i think for many others as well is to join the army because you are defending your country, you are standing behind your country and you support your country, you are willing to die for your country so that you can protect others from harm and be able to let them live.

This may all sound stupid but when you go to war in a different country then you are going there to try and help the people out and in order to give them their lives back that they lost during the war.
also you said that you will only defend your country when needed, so if as example some country invades your country, will you still listen to that general and start shooting at others who invaded you?

i mean yes you can have questions about the people you could kill while you are in other countries and if that truly is justice or not but if you look it from the other way, they have the exact same view.
what i mean is that if someone invades another country they think it's justice or they think it's something they feel is right, but when you are defending your country or invading a country you have the exact same feeling, you are defending your country for justice and you are defending your country or invading a country because you believe it's right.

The main thing is to stick towards your own feelings and your own judgement.