No nerf for saws or any other weapons

The rumor is that saws are going to be nerfed soon. The popular reason being the pvpers think they are to strong. Bull. Never see saws used in pvp. Shotguns,infectors and detonators mostly. But whatever the reason the community does not want saws nerfed, or for that matter any weapons. Leave the game alone plz and stop listening to the few haters and criers. I have alota money tied into this game and would hate to quit because of unnesassary nerf changes. Please don't get nerfing stated. it will never end. Nerfing any weapons that players have taken time to develop and are used to will upset the community. and why would you want to do that. again please do not nerf saws or any other weapons. If you choose not to listen to me than at least give a good reason for the nerf. but plz avoid giving that reason by not nerfing anything. people take a lot of time ,care and money to get the weapons they want. and then your want to go in and change it. because why. its not fair to the community at all and will make all upset and mad. don't get it started. I am not alone in my feelings. plz think before you decide to make any changes. DONT DO IT. END THE MADNESS NOW BEFORE IT STARTS. THE GAME WORKS FINE WEAPON WISE. LEAVE IT ALONE.

I have never seen Trion state that it was due to PvP. In all honesty I think there is only a minority of players who believe that. The stated reason was that it is outperforming all other weapons and they are bringing it more in-line with those other weapons. Alpha Test Server states that its damage has been knocked down to 300 IIRC.

if SAWs are going to be brought down to the level of all other weapons then lets just MAKE 1 WEAPON THE SAME. WONT THAT BE FUN. ALL WEAPONS SHOULD BE THE SAME. EQUILITY TO WEAONS HOOOORRY

What about the people who paid 3 million scrip to get their "dream SAW"? Now the guns gonna be worth half that, makes you not want to buy anything of value because Trion wants to fix something that isn't broken. Everybody I talk to who plays the game likes the SAW the way it is. No I don't own a SAW but I do own VBI Assault Rifle, are they coming for that too?

lol @ Trion is nerfing SAWs due to PVP players. Spend 1 match in PVP with a SAW and you'll know that is not true.

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Originally Posted by Buggman54

The rumor is that saws are going to be nerfed soon. The popular reason being the pvpers think they are to strong. Bull. Never see saws used in pvp.

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Do ya' play on Pc? 0.o

I use it exclusively for FY and SW.
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TYGER<-------killin' factless, assumption-based opinions since 82'

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Originally Posted by TAG

What about the people who paid 3 million scrip to get their "dream SAW"? Now the guns gonna be worth half that, makes you not want to buy anything of value because Trion wants to fix something that isn't broken. Everybody I talk to who plays the game likes the SAW the way it is. No I don't own a SAW but I do own VBI Assault Rifle, are they coming for that too?

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It made the game easy for them. Tell them its time to start using real skill now instead of using an overpowered gun that makes you feel tough. And if you payed 3 million scrip for something, well, thats your own faukt for being silly enough to do that. Thr SAW nerf is fine

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Originally Posted by TAG

What about the people who paid 3 million scrip to get their "dream SAW"? Now the guns gonna be worth half that, makes you not want to buy anything of value because Trion wants to fix something that isn't broken. Everybody I talk to who plays the game likes the SAW the way it is. No I don't own a SAW but I do own VBI Assault Rifle, are they coming for that too?

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That's their own idiocy for paying that much. Just like all the idiots charging 200k for mods... wait until the DLC drops on Tuesday and we start seeing more Tier 3 mods as specials.

Impatience and desperation cause jacked prices, not Trion's fault for everyone's loss.

They need to nerf the guns to bring them in line with the others,so yes nerf them.

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Originally Posted by divaldo

They need to nerf the guns to bring them in line with the others,so yes nerf them.

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don't nerf anything or all will be nerfed soon

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Originally Posted by Mowazzy

lol @ Trion is nerfing SAWs due to PVP players. Spend 1 match in PVP with a SAW and you'll know that is not true.

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Ever run into a SAW while someone is using OC? OC not only increases the, already huge, damage numbers, it also completely negates the largest disadvantage it has...recoil. Even on PS3 this can make it into a killer when placed in the right hands, don't even want to imagine what it can do on PC...

forget nerfing them and add a random weapons jam like they actually have. :D

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Originally Posted by WARDUKE

forget nerfing them and add a random weapons jam like they actually have. :D

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From what I have heard the SAW is a heck of a lot better regarding jams than the venerable M-60 was. Not had the pleasure of shooting on personally unfortunately. :(

Although an ole Ma Deuce is just a BLAST!

I actually just added random weapons jam on the suggestion board. Doubt people will vote "YES" on it though haha. I think it would be an interesting dynamic to the game if there was an off chance that a weapon could jam mid clip.

Well I will vote a yes for it, BRB...

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Originally Posted by WARDUKE

I actually just added random weapons jam on the suggestion board. Doubt people will vote "YES" on it though haha. I think it would be an interesting dynamic to the game if there was an off chance that a weapon could jam mid clip.

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Sadly, I'd end up with more weapon jams than legendaries from lockboxes.

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Originally Posted by Maitreakow

Ever run into a SAW while someone is using OC? OC not only increases the, already huge, damage numbers, it also completely negates the largest disadvantage it has...recoil. Even on PS3 this can make it into a killer when placed in the right hands, don't even want to imagine what it can do on PC...

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See... This is probably where I kept having the disconnect on my end when I first heard the SAW was gettin' a dmg drop. I've only been running OC for the perk/building up weapon skill points. When I PvP I always use a limited cloak so I can approach a point w/o being completely rolled. I just figured OC with the SAW in PvP was like swatting flies with Hydrogen Bombs. Apparently not everyone displays the same lvl of restraint :p

If you put OC in the pile of "whynerf" then yea, I can totally see why it's being done. Just my luck to miss out on what all the kool kids are doing in PvP. v.v'

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Originally Posted by Maitreakow

Ever run into a SAW while someone is using OC? OC not only increases the, already huge, damage numbers, it also completely negates the largest disadvantage it has...recoil. Even on PS3 this can make it into a killer when placed in the right hands, don't even want to imagine what it can do on PC...

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As soon as I get hit with a SAW in PVP my Escape Artist kicks in, I cloak, run behind them and it's game over for that poor shmuck.

Well, once I modded out my first SAW, it became my new favorite weapon. It is the B.F.G. in this game and, as a shooter, there should be one B.F.G. It fits my playstyle.

But it does out DPS other guns in non-crit damage for the most part. If that is a problem for Trion, they should have put SOME effort into really looking at the issue.

If anything, they should have re-visited the gun's recoil and bloom. The saw is SUPPOSED to deal more damage than most other guns- at the expense of recoil and accuracy. The great thing about the weapon system is its DIVERSITY. I have enjoyed switching to other weapons and discovering that all weapon types shine in specific situations, making playing ALL the guns fun. I think the original Devs got this one right.

If they put thought into it, they would have left the damage of the SAW where it was, and maybe significantly increased bloom and decreased accuracy. This would have retained the unique nature of the gun, but made overall, unskilled DPS more in line the other weapons through a lot of missing.

Sadly, they are taking the easy way out and just reducing base damage. Now we will have basically another AR, but with piss-poor accuracy.

must have over 100 hours of PvP if not more.

I SAW has killed me twice I think......

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Originally Posted by Hope499

must have over 100 hours of PvP if not more.

I SAW has killed me twice I think......

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Agreed if somebody killed me in PVP with a SAW I would tip my hat to them.

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Originally Posted by WARDUKE

forget nerfing them and add a random weapons jam like they actually have. :D

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Now that would awesome! jams and misfires! And make those mobs have a chance to miss and jam too!

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Originally Posted by Reichlyn

It made the game easy for them. Tell them its time to start using real skill now instead of using an overpowered gun that makes you feel tough. And if you payed 3 million scrip for something, well, thats your own faukt for being silly enough to do that. Thr SAW nerf is fine

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So you have the final judgement for real skill? Unless your name has "Honorable" in front of it lets keep that to yourself.

People crying about the SAW nerf fall into two categories - 1. they wasted a lot of scrip on buying one (or many) or 2. they can't really use any other gun and have the same success, because it is so OP. I don't care much one way or the other, but if you think about it, a LMG like the SAW shouldn't be used like it is by so many people. It's not an assault rifle, its a weapon used for supressive fire with a big magazine and big recoil - more or less a support weapon. Like it or not, the nerf actually makes perfect sense. And yes, I play a lot of PvP and almost never get killed by a SAW.

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Originally Posted by MaxSterling

That's their own idiocy for paying that much. Just like all the idiots charging 200k for mods... wait until the DLC drops on Tuesday and we start seeing more Tier 3 mods as specials.

Impatience and desperation cause jacked prices, not Trion's fault for everyone's loss.

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Since this is your first MMO ill explain that if you buy something that's considered one of the best in the game, you can't pay too much. Sorry to assume but with statements like that makes me believe this might be your first. PS I never mentioned anything about mods.

I am in complete agreement with the nerf, at the very least it makes things more interesting.

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Originally Posted by Albion

People crying about the SAW nerf fall into two categories - 1. they wasted a lot of scrip on buying one (or many) or 2. they can't really use any other gun and have the same success, because it is so OP. I don't care much one way or the other, but if you think about it, a LMG like the SAW shouldn't be used like it is by so many people. It's not an assault rifle, its a weapon used for supressive fire with a big magazine and big recoil - more or less a support weapon. Like it or not, the nerf actually makes perfect sense. And yes, I play a lot of PvP and almost never get killed by a SAW.

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If the SAW was "overpowered" wouldn't everybody use it on PVP?

When I PvP, I get killed by the SAW about as often as i get killed by snipers. More than 50 hours and all PvP pursuits later, I can still count both of those kinds of deaths on one hand. It's really funny how delusional some PvE'ers get.

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Originally Posted by TAG

If the SAW was "overpowered" wouldn't everybody use it on PVP?

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Not so much OP in PvP, but it does tear things up in PvE like nothing else. I'm not the greatest player, but when I take a SAW into a co-op map, I rarely don't come in first. And if one of my friends is using it (and no one else is), he's coming in first. It got to the point where if we had any type of competition on co-op maps among friends, we would say no one could use a SAW to keep things fair. It just made things too easy.

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Originally Posted by TAG

Since this is your first MMO ill explain that if you buy something that's considered one of the best in the game, you can't pay too much. Sorry to assume but with statements like that makes me believe this might be your first. PS I never mentioned anything about mods.

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Well since this isn't your first MMO, then you should be used to weapons being nerfed... and thus should never pay those kind of prices on anything.

Mods are just the next thing everyone will cry about... and can't wait to see all the whining threads about them when players lose 100,000s of scrip on them on Tuesday... and try to include those mod prices in their gun's supposed "value".

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Originally Posted by fang1192

When I PvP, I get killed by the SAW about as often as i get killed by snipers. More than 50 hours and all PvP pursuits later, I can still count both of those kinds of deaths on one hand. It's really funny how delusional some PvE'ers get.

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yea everyone is complaining about a weapon mainly used in pve. what everyone should be complaining about is the boomers and spanners and the displacement field glitch. come on people look at the real problem in pvp here...

SAWs arent getting nerfed because of PVP but because of PVE ,they are beasts. reached top ranks in arkfalls with em before and first places few times with that i havent been able to achieve with any other weapon,same against the volge SAWs eats volge in matter of secs. for PVP ppl tends to use more ONEshot pew pew kill weapons or those who gets you the easier,faster and cheap kills such as shotguns and detonators. as simple as that, no efford or skills needed ,thats why they barely use SAWs in pvp because it requires way more skills to use in PVP.
in other words,SAWs were OP in a fact for PVE. I always thought so. next step its to nerf vot fragger and big boomers for pvp,immunizers are crap already without the burst mod plus the even more incoming nerf in reload and fire rate speed .
ppl getting upset not because they are nerfing an OP weapon they know in a fact it is but because they paid millions for em

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Originally Posted by MaxSterling

That's their own idiocy for paying that much. Just like all the idiots charging 200k for mods... wait until the DLC drops on Tuesday and we start seeing more Tier 3 mods as specials.

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Are they really idiots if people are buying mods at 200K?

Just to jump back in regarding other MMO nerfs, this happens a lot. For those that spent stupid amounts on SAWs it happened really early in this game's life which sucks big time. Some veteran MMOers knew better and stayed the hell away from 1-2-3 million scrip SAWs because they could easily tell that the weapon was grossly over powered for PVE.

I do agree though that something else takes its place with the nerf. VBI ARs are already as much or more than SAWs were going for, but I would be surprised if they got nerfed b/c there is much more balance among the ARs then the LMGs.

Does suck for those that dropped the massive scrip, but learn from it.

I use blur and big boomers...

Use the same loadout and tell me they don't need skill....


Big boomers are just the most damn fun is all, you can set up traps, leave trails, stick ppl and run away to blow em up later, attack groups, etc...its just a good and fun weapon.


I don't really have too many probs with PvP atm....infectors don't kill me as much, in fact, only shotguns + cloak kill me....(looking at you DoM)


Everyone will have their opinion of what is "skill"

But guess what, skill = the end score, and whatever you do to achieve that, then congratz!

Infect it up, saw it up, spanner trap my ***, its ok! it makes it fun and different.

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Originally Posted by fang1192

Are they really idiots if people are buying mods at 200K?

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They are if they're trying to include that rate on their gun "value"... as I stated in my previous post.

Everybody who is wanting the SAW nerf, I can't wait to see your thread when they come for your weapon next.

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Originally Posted by Mowazzy

Just to jump back in regarding other MMO nerfs, this happens a lot. For those that spent stupid amounts on SAWs it happened really early in this game's life which sucks big time. Some veteran MMOers knew better and stayed the hell away from 1-2-3 million scrip SAWs because they could easily tell that the weapon was grossly over powered for PVE.
Does suck for those that dropped the massive scrip, but learn from it.

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this n_n. us who played MMORPGS knows better how this things work xD so upcoming nerf arent a strage move at all. this kind of changes comes for a good reason

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Originally Posted by fang1192

Are they really idiots if people are buying mods at 200K?

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when you have 15 million scrip, and your personal gun you just paid 3 mil for has a mod missing.....ya 200k aint nuttin

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Originally Posted by Albion

People crying about the SAW nerf fall into two categories - 1. they wasted a lot of scrip on buying one (or many) or 2. they can't really use any other gun and have the same success, because it is so OP. I don't care much one way or the other, but if you think about it, a LMG like the SAW shouldn't be used like it is by so many people. It's not an assault rifle, its a weapon used for supressive fire with a big magazine and big recoil - more or less a support weapon. Like it or not, the nerf actually makes perfect sense. And yes, I play a lot of PvP and almost never get killed by a SAW.

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Ummm, No.

1. Most players don't/ aren't bothered to buy weapons, myself included. If they had an auction house I would, but I'm too lazy otherwise, and I kind of like do the best with what I find/earn myself.

2. Really? You are saying people like the SAW because they can't play with other weapons? C'mon, you can solo an arkfall with just about any of the weapons in this game- (ok, maybe not with a disruptor. You'd could lose one-on-one with a single hellbug with that POS, lol)

But I agree it is a tad OP.... with the right MODS. My gripe is that they are normalizing the weapons, not fixing the system. A single SAW bullet really should hurt more than an AR round. Lowering damage is/was not the answer. They should have looked at other factors- recoil, bloom, fire rate, etc instead. IMO.