Volge emergencies and other players.

When I first started playing, not long ago, I used to see several players working together at different emergencies, especially the Volge ones, then most would go their separate ways, so they were not grouping.

I try to avoid Volge, but if I see another player fighting them, I stop and try to help out. This hasn't happened often, as most seem to be avoiding them, as I try to do.

This weekend, several times, I clipped a few with my car, and exploded, forcing me to fight. So many players passed by in the few minutes that I attempted to fight them alone.

Each time, I ended up extracting or fast traveling. "Thanks!", to those of you who revived me
when I got there. LOL- embarrassing.

Keep in mind that I only play for prolonged times on the weekend. Is it that most of the players that passed by were just selfish kids laughing at my pain?

Do people not help random players anymore?

I play on XBOX btw.

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Originally Posted by Hope499

If I see a lonely purple dot fighting a battle, I always stop and help out.

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As do I, after looking to see that they are not farming and actually need help. I have been yelled at by enough players who resented my "interference" to take a closer look. It may be because of things like that, that some of the other players no longer bother to stop and help.

Sure wish you had passed me. Hope was all I had going for me, but alas....

I like to stop, turn around, drive up to the fight, honk my horn a few times and drive away. :P

I love stopping and fighting with others but sometimes people like to play on their own.

You might just have been on the same road that's leading to an arkfall.

I often drive by since there's often no easy way to tell if someone is just gung ho on fighting some volge (in which case they may not want help) or in your unfortunate case, "lost your ride". IF someone were to type in a quick 'help' or 'please help me' message, I'd jump in. Of course they'd probably die before getting that message typed out.

Yes, Maitreakow, I'd thought of that, but Volge, really? Also, there are plenty of Volge off the beaten path that people could "farm" without too much worry of random players, and there are so many of them everywhere anyway, that if that's what people are doing, there is always another right around the bend.

I generally rush from Arkfall to Arkfall, so rarely pay attention to other players. Most times, the other players won't even render. Radar only shows purple dots for those players in the cone of vision ahead of you.

As an opposite to the thread starter, I stop at pretty much every single volge emergency, unless I've got other plans. I usually avoid other emergencies unless they are in places I would like Volge to spawn :P

I will stop regardless of any purple people around. And often get terribly annoyed with purple people who stop to help. The reason for that is that the Volge then scale, and more often than not the people that do stop start using the most useless weapons ever, keeping me the primary target target of the Volge, as well as having to put in even more DPS.

And to anyone wondering, on The Volge Await the red special launchers aren't for the first three volge. Acceptable use is one shot in the bomber and three in the vicera :)

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Originally Posted by Hope499

If I see a lonely purple dot fighting a battle, I always stop and help out.

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Same here, depending on what enemies the lonely purple dot is fighting against. The last time I tried helping a lonely purple dot with a Volge encounter, he went into instant retreat mode just after I jumped into the fray to assist. D'oh!

If the player had the opportunity to send a distress call, it would have been much easier!

Hopefully, the developers will introduce this feature some day... There are many suggestions about this, so, vote in favor! ;-)

Arkfalls could have been the case, but I don't think every time. Anyway, it's nice that there are other players who help others.

Next time one of you passes a little bird with a broken wing and tail feathers flying everywhere, please help me, I won't yell at you.

If I ever see a grape fighting Volge, or in apparent distress, I always stop to help. I am on PS3 NA though.
Otherwise, I avoid the Volge as I have been running between Arkfalls, farming Keys, Ark Salvage and leveling up weapons and weapon classes for the past weekend.

Defiance is very poorly designed. It's made so that enemies scale, without any consideration of the skill level of the person(s) who makes them scale. As a result of this, if the damage a person does over the course of the battle is less than the added HP on enemies caused by that person joining, that person will in fact be sabotaging any players who were already fighting enemies.

It doesn't matter if your intentions were good, as the result is still the same. It's beyond ridiculous that a game is made this way, actively encouraging chasing off new players, but that's how Trion made it.

So, next time you "stop to help", ask yourself this:
Can you kill any volge emergency by yourself without breaking a sweat, and in less than 2 minutes for every single Volge emergency and less than 1 for the roadside ones? If you can, help. If you can't, get out of the way.

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Originally Posted by Alexri

So, next time you "stop to help", ask yourself this:
Can you kill any volge emergency by yourself without breaking a sweat, and in less than 2 minutes for every single Volge emergency and less than 1 for the roadside ones? If you can, help. If you can't, get out of the way.

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Couldn't have said it better myself!

The only time I don't stop to help is when I'm on the way to an Arkfall. I love taking down the big guy at the end because the loot is often above average.

I usually always stop no matter what emergency it is to help..occasionally on my way around I'll stop and take them on solo, sometimes others stop, sometimes they don't..soloing the volge ones isn't to hard, separate them, keep distance, use cover, and shoot em in the face..I do die occasionally and I don't stop till it's done unless I can't find my way back.

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So, next time you "stop to help", ask yourself this:
Can you kill any volge emergency by yourself without breaking a sweat, and in less than 2 minutes for every single Volge emergency and less than 1 for the roadside ones? If you can, help. If you can't, get out of the way.


Being fairly new, this had not occurred to me, so thanks for the 'heads up'.

To WARDUKE- AHA! I knew there were "pain laffer-atters" ! Just because you're paranoid, etc....

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Originally Posted by Havix

I do die occasionally and I don't stop till it's done unless I can't find my way back.

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While driving around take note of the extraction points. You are bound to bla bla bla, means you'll extract to a location nearby when you die. On the route I drive when farming volge there's one spot where there's an extraction point 50 meters behind the volge, so I make it a point to drive past and get bound there, in the case that I do go down and die :)

I've started to knock out more volge emergencies lately, been kinda bored waiting on the DLC. To be honest I would rather go it alone, and burn the stuff down quickly since they eat my shields up rather quickly. If someone else stops to help, if they aren't burning it down like I am (putting out some major damage) I will just dodge and hide (maybe break down a few items) since they have just made the opponents harder for me by increasing hit points. Half the time they can't even take out the vicera.

Well, obviously, I have trouble alone, but when I tried to "help", I would usually send my decoy to distract, then hit the Volge shields with a spanner to drain them, and hit the other player to recharge. Was that a bad strategy?

I always try to let the other player that was there first get the kill shot.

After seeing the posts about sometimes no help is better, I'll likely hold off now. Maybe I need to stop avoiding them while alone, so I can get better.

If I am in the game lately, it is simply hopping from one Arkfall to another. Maybe after the DLC hits tomorrow and emergencies are a little more worth it reward wise (they at least get a scrip boost), I'll do them instead of just driving past them. But generally speaking, emergencies are just things in my way at this stage.

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Originally Posted by LITTLE B1RD

Maybe I need to stop avoiding them while alone, so I can get better.

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Well I would highly recommend it as you can only get better. I recommend trying out different ego powers, for me Overcharge works best. I've actually started a thread where people can post their fastest takedowns. Maybe that'll help people out, give them some ideas and such. The first week they were in I struggled with them as well so it's not like you're the only one :)

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Originally Posted by LITTLE B1RD

Well, obviously, I have trouble alone, but when I tried to "help", I would usually send my decoy to distract, then hit the Volge shields with a spanner to drain them, and hit the other player to recharge. Was that a bad strategy?

I always try to let the other player that was there first get the kill shot.

After seeing the posts about sometimes no help is better, I'll likely hold off now. Maybe I need to stop avoiding them while alone, so I can get better.

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You would be better help if you put on a VBI AR, VOT Pulsar or FRC SAW (siphon works well to help your survivability), kill shot shouldn't really matter that much anymore. Just unload until they are dead, don't waste the missiles on the ground on anything but the elite at the end.

A Tachmag Pulser with Syphen is a good choice too. My weapon of choice is a VBI AR with syphen. Thread with the taking out volge in minute or under will be in my signature in a few seconds.

I like those Volge for decent loot and weapon xp(when I was leveling SMG's and LMG's). Every now and then I help the rare ark hunter who looks like (s)he needs an hand. I tend to solo them or hunt with friends every now and then.

this is exactly the situation a ranted about on another thread. the volge emergency that spawns right across from bug n chug can spill over and overtake the store area. i tried to get help from those just afk'ing it there but no use. i died 3 times and had to extract twice. i think it should be an unwritten rule. you see purple dots in a volge battle, you help! ya, i solo volge a lot , but i am never upset with help. lets all play together! i have more fun hunting volge in a group than soloing any day!

edit: my volge killer is a VBI SMG it has 2 crit bonuses and syphon. and its only blue... it destroys volge...

When I'm using my techmag pulser with syphon I stop at every single volge emergency. that weapon just obliterates volge. When i'm leveling other weapons I avoid volge, but still try to help others when I see them fighting volge. And I don't give a shtako about farmers getting annoyed. Fortunately for me most people I encounter seems to like the teamplay.

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Originally Posted by LITTLE B1RD

I try to avoid Volge, but if I see another player fighting them, I stop and try to help out.

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Don't help me =P

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Originally Posted by rockygreen11

this is exactly the situation a ranted about on another thread. the volge emergency that spawns right across from bug n chug can spill over and overtake the store area. i tried to get help from those just afk'ing it there but no use. i died 3 times and had to extract twice. i think it should be an unwritten rule. you see purple dots in a volge battle, you help! ya, i solo volge a lot , but i am never upset with help. lets all play together! i have more fun hunting volge in a group than soloing any day!

edit: my volge killer is a VBI SMG it has 2 crit bonuses and syphon. and its only blue... it destroys volge...

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Did you drag them to the Bug n Chug? You can kite them using the cargo container, I use it all the time.

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Originally Posted by Zugo

Did you drag them to the Bug n Chug? You can kite them using the cargo container, I use it all the time.

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And the purple dots standing around out there on smoke break make great human shields :p

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Originally Posted by alienstookmybeer

And the purple dots standing around out there on smoke break make great human shields :p

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LOL, is that what those guys are doing? Well it's the absolute worst destination to go AFK.

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Originally Posted by rockygreen11

this is exactly the situation a ranted about on another thread. the volge emergency that spawns right across from bug n chug can spill over and overtake the store area. i tried to get help from those just afk'ing it there but no use. i died 3 times and had to extract twice. i think it should be an unwritten rule. you see purple dots in a volge battle, you help! ya, i solo volge a lot , but i am never upset with help. lets all play together! i have more fun hunting volge in a group than soloing any day!

edit: my volge killer is a VBI SMG it has 2 crit bonuses and syphon. and its only blue... it destroys volge...

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Depending upon how well the chat window and reach is fixed on PC tomorrow, I might just start helping and connecting with people. Unfortunately, the past five months of a pure lack of social feature functionality have made this a game where seeing others is like seeing the person at a drive-thru window: Hi & Bye.

Not why I play online. But, we'll see if that feature works better live than it did on Test.

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Originally Posted by Zugo

The only time I don't stop to help is when I'm on the way to an Arkfall. I love taking down the big guy at the end because the loot is often above average.

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I *can* do a Volge emergency by myself with a VOT blast rifle (preferred weapon for that stuff) but the loot has been so abysmal of late I can't be bothered to waste the time.
I get green or less ~75% of the time, and the 'less' is usually 'nothing' ~40% of the time.

The economy is so bad that even the loot sux.

Got a really swell white tachyon the other day. :/

I mostly only stop anymore if I see a player getting whooped, or if I'm particularly pissed at something.

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Originally Posted by LITTLE B1RD

Well, obviously, I have trouble alone, but when I tried to "help", I would usually send my decoy to distract, then hit the Volge shields with a spanner to drain them, and hit the other player to recharge. Was that a bad strategy?

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About as bad as it gets. Decoys turn the volge away from whoever is trying to face tank them, dropping the damage per shot of a crit specced tachmag from 360 to 130 without OC, disabling insult to injury and other crit dependent perks.

You have to love people with BMGs who try to "help" by healing people who "need it". TYVM for that giant blue seizure inducer.

At first I thought the ability to have all levels play together was a good thing, but unfortunately, it's just a theoretical compatibility. It doesn't help that it's done with the best of intentions when you can't play when there's other people on because you get constantly sabotaged.

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Originally Posted by LITTLE B1RD

When I first started playing, not long ago, I used to see several players working together at different emergencies, especially the Volge ones, then most would go their separate ways, so they were not grouping.

I try to avoid Volge, but if I see another player fighting them, I stop and try to help out. This hasn't happened often, as most seem to be avoiding them, as I try to do.

This weekend, several times, I clipped a few with my car, and exploded, forcing me to fight. So many players passed by in the few minutes that I attempted to fight them alone.

Each time, I ended up extracting or fast traveling. "Thanks!", to those of you who revived me
when I got there. LOL- embarrassing.

Keep in mind that I only play for prolonged times on the weekend. Is it that most of the players that passed by were just selfish kids laughing at my pain?

Do people not help random players anymore?

I play on XBOX btw.

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Your being to hard on people. Most of the time that stuff doesn't render while we're going full speed past so we can't even tell. I only farm for certain volge emergencies too. The one with eRep turret and one other that spawns easy to handle elite loot piñatas ;)

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Originally Posted by Alexri

About as bad as it gets. Decoys turn the volge away from whoever is trying to face tank them, dropping the damage per shot of a crit specced tachmag from 360 to 130 without OC, disabling insult to injury and other crit dependent perks.

You have to love people with BMGs who try to "help" by healing people who "need it". TYVM for that giant blue seizure inducer.

At first I thought the ability to have all levels play together was a good thing, but unfortunately, it's just a theoretical compatibility. It doesn't help that it's done with the best of intentions when you can't play when there's other people on because you get constantly sabotaged.

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Jeez! Now I feel terrible! Sorry for the seizures, random strangers.

I'm glad I posted this thread, though. I learned a lot from it. Thanks to all who responded.

So I definitely need a strong syphon weapon. My highest wep skill is in the AR's. I'm thinking maybe a special load out just for practicing on the Volge. I only recently unlocked overcharge and have not upgraded that fully, so I need to do that, and accompanying perks.

Any special perks that you all would recommend for my Volge load out using overcharge?

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Originally Posted by LITTLE B1RD

Jeez! Now I feel terrible!

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You shouldn't. There's only one instance to blame here, Trion. It made a game where it's inevitable that newbies ruin the gameplay experience for experienced players.

There's a reason why there are level/gear level/whatever restrictions on various things in other games. I remember having pugs that varied from 20 minutes to 2 hours in places like Zul Aman (or whatever it was called) in WoW, and that was just due to the actually existing cap not being a good enough filter. Here you have no filter.

On a final note, people think Defiance doesn't have a learning curce. They think that because they can finish anything in the game, the game isn't hard enough. The logic is about the same as saying that because you can move your body 100 meters, being a olympic sprinter isn't hard.

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Originally Posted by LITTLE B1RD

When I first started playing, not long ago, I used to see several players working together at different emergencies, especially the Volge ones, then most would go their separate ways, so they were not grouping.

I try to avoid Volge, but if I see another player fighting them, I stop and try to help out. This hasn't happened often, as most seem to be avoiding them, as I try to do.

This weekend, several times, I clipped a few with my car, and exploded, forcing me to fight. So many players passed by in the few minutes that I attempted to fight them alone.

Each time, I ended up extracting or fast traveling. "Thanks!", to those of you who revived me
when I got there. LOL- embarrassing.

Keep in mind that I only play for prolonged times on the weekend. Is it that most of the players that passed by were just selfish kids laughing at my pain?

Do people not help random players anymore?

I play on XBOX btw.

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Not necessarily what you think-I do think sometimes we misunderstand situations. Sometimes, players passing by don't even see the emergency until they've passed, let alone that you're there fighting or even down on the ground. Sometimes, people are hurrying to get to other things and you may think it's selfish but they're playing their game. For instance, they might be going from arkfall to arkfall and trying to get places before that event ends.

However, here's the other side of things. Quite often if you stop to help someone there are some that don't want your help. I do stop and help, but doing this does a couple things. That solo person might be wanting to get all the weapon xp and general xp for themselves and not be happy someone else came along-some actually hate this, especially if that helper picks up the rocket launcher and shoots the Volge with it. But, the HP for all foes increases based upon the number of players fighting them-to some unknown point where it stops increasing. This means, it's sometimes easier for one person to fight the Volge than for two. That extra person means the Volge just got stronger.

Some people get really mad if you stop and help, especially if they're already at the Viscera stage, but you might not even know that if the thing doesn't spawn quickly enough. It's back to my other point (and yours), that you can be driving along and even run into the thing before it's fully spawned. You may jump out of your vehicle and get ready to fight and suddenly be surprised that the Volge are behind you. And it might take awhile to even realize someone else is there fighting too.

Just try and realize we all see things from our own point of view, and what we see may be far different from what's intended. And yes, some people are selfish. I've played with people in coop who won't revive anyone else no matter what. And others, that stay back until all foes are killed, waiting until the group gets to the boss.

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Originally Posted by LITTLE B1RD

Jeez! Now I feel terrible! Sorry for the seizures, random strangers.

I'm glad I posted this thread, though. I learned a lot from it. Thanks to all who responded.

So I definitely need a strong syphon weapon. My highest wep skill is in the AR's. I'm thinking maybe a special load out just for practicing on the Volge. I only recently unlocked overcharge and have not upgraded that fully, so I need to do that, and accompanying perks.

Any special perks that you all would recommend for my Volge load out using overcharge?

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Well of course anything that extends overcharge or reduces recharge time. My optimal setup is a syphon SAW and a Canker with the stowed weapon reload perk (I'm terrible remembering the names) and increased ammo drops, along with overcharge and EGO bumps (faster recharge for any EGO-I think there's one for doing any damage).

I also use an Infector Grenade. The bugs distract them and do amazing damage to them-up to 1500 at times to shields. Others may have better setups but I use this, don't fire at them until I'm in close in cover behind trucks, throw the grenade, and then overcharge and attack. I sometimes do get my face planted on the ground, but I can most often easily take care of the emergencies alone.

My other strategy is if I see a Volge emergency ahead of time, I set a waypoint nearby, so if I do extract I can find my way back (I get lost and need help sometimes).