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Please stay away from me.
You are making the ennemies stronger while bringing no additionnal DPS, your blue glow is messing with my aim (even more if you use a Spanner Protector), and I don't need to be healed since my Siege's loadout features two Syphon weapons with huge Crit bonuses.
Thanks for your comprehension :)
Not that i am one of them... but good luck with this bro.
From my experience its better to change yourself and your gameplay the to expect others to change.
If the game lets em do it and they get better rewards with less work ppl are gonna do it, if u cant accept that, then maybe multiplayer games are not your cup of tea.
Agree with you, except that there's not much for me to change besides not showing up at all for the ones in less than broad daylight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sicks
I can, as a shooter, score >35K with no or limited BMG usage around me. (My best was short of 40K by 140 points).
My score as a shooter with heavy BMG usage inflicted on the shooters a few hours ago, I had several in a row between 9K and 12K.
Same load-out, I was there before it started each time but 1, and that was about 30 seconds late, the V were just starting to show up.
It aint me, it's them.
I'm just going to stop going to over half of them.
::shrugg::
Oh well....
I'll live.
Yes, stopping BMG-leeching is going to be difficult. But for those who are too bad at this game to get 20k points by themselves, please at least switch to a real weapon once you've healed some. Tickling elite visceras with your stingray does not help anyone, you included.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sicks
Have roll on EU server and stalk you with a BMG. j/k.
Or am I? LOL.
I really really really love annoying anti healers to no end so maybe not. Like this guy.
Bad has nothing to do with it. When you got players whos sole mission is to get the last shot on a mob and earns 1.2k-4k points while the dude who took it down 100% to 1% gets +100 assist for his/her efforts then you realize that skill is of little to no factor at all. Whoever deals the most death blows in a siege wins, the end. Also must consider that many players are skilling up BMGs so this is possibly the single best event to do so in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tekrunner
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As long as its within the rules I'll use my BMG at any siege I choose and on whomever I wish.
That right here is the main problem, the killing shot should not give you any kind of Point bonuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by ten4
If they wish to use the bmg in that way let them. You do not dictate how they play or what weapon they should use.
I don't think we've been playing the same sieges then. Yes, afflicted sieges were good to level BMGs, as you could link a ton of mobs with a stingray. But that's not the case in volge sieges, you just get bullet sponges that tend to stay far apart. Anything that involves scrappers is better to level BMGs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ten4
Mob kills only give you a bonus, but points are based on damage dealt first and foremost. Trying to just steal kills will only lead to one thing: not getting as many points as you would have if you had tried to deal as much DPS as possible. It was the same thing with afflicted sieges too. I didn't score 100k points on those by sniping kills, I just did my best to deal as much damage as possible.
So yes, I'm pretty sure that a significant portion of those who BMG-leech do that because they aren't able to score 20k points on their own. It's not hard to do, but you need to try to understand what's going on around you, and act accordingly. But that's apparently beyond a lot of people.
The whole issue has three facets, all coming from design flaws.
1) Overdoing visual effects. In a third person shooter, effects on the character model will easily interfere with aiming. Solution: Tone it down a notch or two.
2) BMGs are support weapons, but right now everybody with a bit of skill, awareness and syphon weapons don't need that support. Add to that the pursuit and EGO progression tied to levelling up the BMG and you get a lot of people levelling up where it's fast and easy... in your sieges. Solution: Make syphon effects dependent on damage output with diminished return instead of the current flat value. Furthermore, make clearly telegraphed mob special attacks hit harder. This may not solve your problem, but it will make healing a more viable playstyle.
3) Killing blow rewards promote killstealing. Solution: Remove or tone down the killing blow bonus, or make it dependent on how much damage you've dealt. Furthermore, make the assist points dependent on damage dealt as well. (Isn't that how it's done anyway?)
Oh, and since we're both on PC-EU.....
If you see me in my desert camo tech suit with red helmet, you should keep your distance, then. Because that's when I'm in my medic loadout, and I will heal you and ress you and patch you up, and screaming will only make me heal you moar!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dracian
Yes, this is already how things work. I've gotten 2300+ point assists on elite visceras before. I don't think regular kills even give that big a bonus. But attack / defence / rescue kills do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yrkul
And yes, healing is mostly useless now, but syphon isn't the only reason. BMGs just don't heal fast enough to actually be useful in most situations, and almost all mobs go down fast enough that survivability is much better when everyone is damaging enemies: healing is not needed when all enemies are dead. About the only way you can assist others in a useful manner at a siege is by sludging Volges with an FRC Sludge RL.
I am going to leave it at this:
BLAME THE GAME, NOT THE PLAYER.
BMG effects obscure screen to much? Not the players fault.
Scoring system is totally whacked? Not the players fault.
You will never force every single person to play how you see is 'optimal'; they will do what they want, use what the game provides, and play in a way that is fun to them.
As to you discounting deathblows, I beg to differ. I have landed DBs on 1% volge many times (over 100 sieges now) and it always gives me a ton of personal points majority of the time. If I dps a mob down to 1% and someone grabs the kill: I always get a patheticly low assist score. That's my experience, take it as you will.
Anyways, please continue with your crusade; anyone who disagrees is clearly wrong so there is no point arguing further.
cu~
Glad to see that my weekly rant brought so much hate from BMG leechers... Anyway, I don't care : trolls will never change while smart players will do all the job, as usual.
So here's an advice if you want to use a BMG during Sieges AND be smart : use a VOT Spanner Trapper in attack mode. Prefer one with +1 Link bonus and Reduced Link Time if you really want to be OP.
Side note : it's funny to see how a so-called MMO game is far more enjoyable when you play solo... You know, Skitterlings, EGO Boosts and that kind of things...
I dictated nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Durva360
I'm withdrawing from the competition.
It's not worth my time to show up and get blinded.
Take down the viscera's with your BMG.
I think people just do it because it's the easiest way to get 20k points, at least that's what I heard..
BMG leechers... Generalization is such an ugly thing. Did you even read the other posts discussing the problem? Discussion, not rant. Guess where the hate is in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dracian
But you do! Otherwise you wouldn't rant weekly over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dracian
/patbackQuote:
Originally Posted by Dracian
You assume people heal you because they want to troll you or steal your kills. Some do. Some don't. But try not to bunch them all together and call names. Furthermore, it's naive to think that with all the particle effects flying around, all the shooting and whatnot, that anyone can see your name in tiny letters floating over your head. So what's your rant for, apart from venting your own anger?
I think that may be a bit of a myth. I have never scored 20k using just my BMG to heal but if I use my trusty Tachmag I can hit 20k no problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ssdmiddleman
I agree with you but will add that people are going to do what they're going to do. They use them because they want the weapon xp, the healing credit points you now get for sieges, and because when they heal you they get things foes you kill drop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dracian
However, they cause incredible lag and lag people, even themselves out of the game. I think some of the bad effects could be minimized if they were better at using them. Too often they spam them on fully healthy people until they lose power, reload, and spam again. It would be far better if they used them in bursts-heal people that need it for longer bursts, but run around and shoot and stop, shoot and stop. Lag and the blindness you're talking about is due to this constant spray of BMG fire. Since they want to heal you to get your drops, the key is you need to be able to see to kill foes. And it doesn't help to have 5 people BMGing you when you're at full health.
I have people that run after me at arkfalls and sieges in order to BMG me-I'm running away so I can see to shoot and get out of BMG range and they follow after me and BMG me at full HP.
But you're spitting into the wind. At our clan Volge marches, we'd tell people to help limit lag they should walk-no cars allowed, use BMGs only at the events we found for healing people, and only use the detonators to attack enemies. This was because these things lag people out. We voiced our notifications, put it into text chat, and had others relay the message to friends a lot of times.
So, some people drove cars, used BMGs constantly, and kept shooting their detonators as we walked. People won't always do what is the best thing to do.
Getting the most killi g blows does not infact mean the win. I read a post on healing and points so ttied it out. Even if you are healing ppl with full health you get a tonne of points. So for the win its whoever heals the longest.
They can use their bmg as they wish just like if he does not want bmg users near him he has the same right so think of others who do not wish to be bothered by bmgs
He should stay away from our beams then.Quote:
Originally Posted by divaldo
My dear sir/lady, I have read every single answer in that thread. My point is : Healing with a BMG is useless. The most obvious reason why it's so useless is that, no matter how much you heal, a player caught under a salvo of 5 Elite Troopers shots or targeted by two simultaneous Pink Rains Of Death have 100% chances to crawl on the floor in the next five seconds. And if you don't believe me, just go at Bathhouse Siege and stay on the point located at the south of the siege (where there are large stairs). Do the whole waves 8 and 9 with a BMG. And then we'll talk about the usefulness of healers during Sieges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yrkul
About the "BMG Leechers", I agree, it's a generalization and it's a bad thing... After all, some people are simply to stupid to figure out BMG is completely useless during Sieges :)
Believe me, I really don't give a flying eff'. Because I know that at the end of the Siege I'll score more than 20k and I'll be happy to have melt so many Volge's faces. And because no matter how much they have healed, BMG users will still be under 20k.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yrkul
Save few exceptions, of course. Generalization is such an ugly thing ;)
No, I assume people are just too stupid to figure out that healing during a Siege is useless and counter-productive. But I already said that. And I don't care about KS because, as I also already said previously, I know that, if I join the Siege before its half, I'll score more than 20k, no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yrkul
And LOL @ Being angry for a video game... #firstworldproblems ?
My rant is just to tell people that they shouldn't use BMG if they want to be sure to go past wave 10 and/or score 20k.
Oh and :
I guess you never see me doing a /dance in a middle of a Siege. Because that's what I do now if people insist on healing me after I got 20k. After all, those people desperatly need XP points for their BMG mastery, so why not give 'em some ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yrkul
not surprised at all that many of the bmg leechers partisans on this thread are consoles users...
@Dracian,
They aren't useless. A lot of people are not using them to actually heal people (but they do now get heal credit at sieges).
BMGs are used for some specific reasons-it doesn't matter if players end up on the ground, anyway. It's done in order to maximize drops and/or to tag events to get full credit for the event without doing much in it. If it was being done as a public service (some do this), then people would stop spamming them at others who have full health.
If I use them, it's because I may be working on leveling up the thing but I seek out players that need healing. A BMG can help keep them from getting killed.
Ok, no need to start that kind of war. BMGs are usable by anyone in the game. Spam use can kill an event for many. The reason it's maybe more talked about related to consoles is likely because consoles seem to be more prone to types of lag that PCs are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synead
And you are free to, but you are self-defeating. The spamming of a BMG causes lag that can affect you or the person(s) you're aiming it at. If your goal is to get as many drops as you can then you want to keep those people in the game and not inhibit their ability to get kills. Spamming it may lag them out-so they can't get kills and you don't get drops. Also, it makes it hard for them to see so Sieges don't last as long as they could and they can't kill as many foes as they might be able to.Quote:
Originally Posted by vizibledog
If you burst fire it at people and especially at those that need healing, you extend the length of the siege by keeping more people fighting in it, and you don't blind them so they can kill more foes-more drops for all. And, you are less likely to lag yourself out of the game as well.
héhé that's why i'm not surprised :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Indra Echo
(and the fact that aiming with a controller is like driving a truck on a bicycle way, in my mind)
I play my game my way...you play your game your way. ok then thats settled? :cool:
Ya know people.. there's this neato thing on your game called "SETTINGS". You can access it via the pie menu, and within it, you can adjust the bloom rate for visuals.. ie how BMG's look ON YOUR SCREEN, and thus not only affect your own sight picture with your gun, but also address a LOT of the lag issues that your seeing. I play on a laptop, and when I moved mine down, my lag damn near vanished, and I no longer see that ghastly blue bmg spam, even when I'm the one using a bmg :)
Oh, and if you want to level up your BMG's.. the best place isn't Siege's.. it's Scrapper Arkfalls.. get a Telespanner with +1 Links and a good synergy (I prefer assassin and stalker myself). Scrappers are almost all FULL POINT HITS with the BMG, and crazy easy to get criticals with. Doing a BMG against Volge is sorta like trying to electrocute your neighbors barking dog with a AAA battery.. no matter how hard you push, or where, it's just not going to work.
Yeah that works well with BMG stalkers who run after you because you are the one person they can see after the lag caused by their BMG makes everything else invisible.Quote:
Originally Posted by vizibledog
I like BMGs and do agree that there is blame to be shared here. The game and the player. The game allows a lot of things-it says "this could be done" but the player decides whether they should do it. Some go for the bottom of the barrel move.
I've had players argue that exploits and even cheating is ok because it's fun. If this is the state of mind for some, then everything else is up for grabs. We just have to expect it and adapt to it. And a small percentage of any game's player population use the forums. It's not realistic to expect this to change unless something more appealing comes along.
I think everyone should just throw rocks at the volge
While I hit them with my bonfire
Seriously though. Idk what the problem is. Wether I'm
Sniping or hitting them with my SAW (both of which net me over 20k)
Being healed or having the volge bmg spammed never hurt my
Aiming so ill say its you. And once I hit 20k I share the wealth so
Others can get a tier 4 volge box. I don't think getting 40k helps anyone
Except your e-phallis.
Last sentence indicates a partial lack of understanding as to why people use BMGs at Sieges. They aren't using the damage function all the time or not even most of the time. They are using HEAL on players for specific reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by PseudoCool
There is no bloom rate for visuals on consoles.
You leave his e-phallis alone! It's not his fault that it's distorted in such a fashion! It was developed during the days of transistor radios that still used ferrite bars, but it's still workable dagnabbit!Quote:
Originally Posted by herrbishop x
And I have to agree with you.. once I hit 20K, I'm generally helping everyone else out if I can.
Then you are lucky. Have 5 people spamming you constantly with BMGs and it's impossible to see almost anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by herrbishop x
The fact is it happens for a lot of people and it's that constant use by several people.
I know why people USE them at Sieges.. be it damage or heal, my post still stands as accurate despite your attempt to appear more knowledgeable than others. Perhaps if you actually played with a BMG that was maxed out, you'd understand the different in the heal/damage numbers then with one that had no mods at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indra Echo
As for no bloom rate on consoles, well good for them :)
Put on sunglasses, end of problem. Sheesh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Indra Echo
I play on Xbox 360 but I play on a 40 inch tv and my couch is like 10
Feet away from it I also have my settings to 3/4 brightness
I do this - I wish more people would. I use a Spanner Trapper as my backup at sieges and its been very useful. I probably use it only about 20% of the time, maybe less, but it helps. I don't get the scoring system, but it sucks when you wear down an enemy with an entire magazine to almost death, and then while reloading someone else hits the enemy with one bullet from across the map and gets the kill while you get a 300 point assist. It doesn't always do this, I have gotten huge assist points and small kill points, but not all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by PseudoCool
So pulling out my BMG on occasion to help keep everyone up around me when things get a little hairy is now the wrong thing to do? Got it. Trying to be helpful is bad.