Weapons Range

Some of the diagrams done. Falloff/Range is a bit guess work I am new to Excel and this types of calulations. And range might be off by 1. Also I don't know how to calultate the curve for range and falloff but they give you a ide where it it is heading at least. You lose draw distance at 85 so I have a hard time testing damage neer that range.

Weapons was tested with weapon skill 20 and no mods/syn
Mod dmg = *1.07
Falloff dmg = +8
Range = *1.10
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This is good stuff, thanks for sharing!

That needs to be added to the Wiki.

Interesting... "range" seems to be a pretty powerful attribute as it appears to be a co-efficient that affects the damage deterioration due to falloff as well.

Excellent post!

Next batch of diagrams
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So which mod is it that gives increased range? I know about the Falloff mod, but your green line suggests you're adding a range mod along with the falloff mod, which means it's other than a barrel.

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Originally Posted by 3rdpig

So which mod is it that gives increased range? I know about the Falloff mod, but your green line suggests you're adding a range mod along with the falloff mod, which means it's other than a barrel.

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It might be the Stalker synergy.

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Originally Posted by chilipino

It might be the Stalker synergy.

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I bet you're right. Good catch!

Would still prefer to get the answer from the OP about what he means by 'range'.

Also, Hope JxSin sees this and adds it to his useful guides post.

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Originally Posted by Heinzlee

Would still prefer to get the answer from the OP about what he means by 'range'.

Also, Hope JxSin sees this and adds it to his useful guides post.

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It is the stalker syn[2](*1.10) I am refering to but you can get a *1.15 range from legendary bonus. Going to try to get the range/falloff right now it looks a bit too powerfull but I can't nail the calulation to get it right to follow the normal damage curve.

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Originally Posted by Zewy

It is the stalker syn[2](*1.10) I am refering to but you can get a *1.15 range from legendary bonus. Going to try to get the range/falloff right now it looks a bit too powerfull but I can't nail the calulation to get it right to follow the normal damage curve.

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Is there any way to check to see if the first [1] and second [2] perks of the stalker synergy stack? I have heard reports of preparedness giving you a 3% ammo recharge for having two preparedness mods.

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Originally Posted by chilipino

Is there any way to check to see if the first [1] and second [2] perks of the stalker synergy stack? I have heard reports of preparedness giving you a 3% ammo recharge for having two preparedness mods.

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I can try to get my hands on two of the same weapon with stalker syn and see if they stack or not but I don't think they do.

Did a test with out genrating the values for mods took some time and is only +5 falloff insted of +8 and damage *1.05 insted of *1.07 at least now I got some data so I can fix the others so they are genrated with more correct values.
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Originally Posted by Zewy

Did a test with out genrating the values for mods took some time and is only +5 falloff insted of +8 and damage *1.05 insted of *1.07 at least now I got some data so I can fix the others so they are genrated with more correct values.
http://s14.postimg.org/jrs0tn84h/vot_blast_rifle.png

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Out of curiosity, how are you getting these values? Are you datamining client-side files or actually testing in-game? If the latter, how are you measuring range?

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Originally Posted by chilipino

Out of curiosity, how are you getting these values? Are you datamining client-side files or actually testing in-game? If the latter, how are you measuring range?

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Setting a waypoint and shoting a critter I know evil right :)

Your work is much appreciated, Thanks!

But I'm curious, Is this what a "numbers geek" (and I say that lovingly) does when he hits EGO 5000.

Or is this what you do instead of hitting 5000.



Seriously I love people who do what you do. I always followed them in forums in WOW, Rift and EVE, there's less of you in Defiance and I miss that. And yes I know why there are less, its alot harder to collect data by experimenting than it is to datamine.

Keep doing what you do!

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Originally Posted by Zewy

I can try to get my hands on two of the same weapon with stalker syn and see if they stack or not but I don't think they do.

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I think chilipino is talking about 2 stalker mods on one weapon. If it works like the Rolling Thunder mag bonus, you get 5% for the first mod, plus 10% more for the second so Stalker weapons probably give a 15% bonus with 2 mods.

Finaly I think I got it abit more correct now. I hadde to do a shot from 45 to 85 it took some time then I made it count backword the rows/coloums it to get the right value might still be off by 1 damage or so also need to check out if stalker mod[2] is *1.15 or *1.10 as I am using that value now.
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I had always assumed it was +8 percent to the distance before full damage started dropping off, but from your chart it looks like it means +8 yards or meters. In the chart for the FRC Heavy Assault Carbine with the baseline gun damage starts dropping at 45, with the Falloff mod it extends to 53. In itself this is useful to know.

Thanks for taking the time to do this, I've found it both helpful and informative.

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Originally Posted by 3rdpig

I had always assumed it was +8 percent to the distance before full damage started dropping off, but from your chart it looks like it means +8 yards or meters. In the chart for the FRC Heavy Assault Carbine with the baseline gun damage starts dropping at 45, with the Falloff mod it extends to 53. In itself this is useful to know.

Thanks for taking the time to do this, I've found it both helpful and informative.

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Made some changes for the diagramso it should be easyer to combare weapons of the same type here is a example. Got my hands on a weapon with stalker will try later today or tomorrow to mod it and see how it plays out

Just wanted to say THANK YOU. Awesome postings! Very Informative. Most of us have been wondering this stuff since Alpha testing.

I have tested out stalker[2] and falloff+8 it is kinda weard the falloff start at (40m+8m*1.10 range) as it should but the damage don't drop as fast as it should it is more like 1.20 neer 84m
Green and Yallow is the real data.
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Originally Posted by alienstookmybeer

I think chilipino is talking about 2 stalker mods on one weapon. If it works like the Rolling Thunder mag bonus, you get 5% for the first mod, plus 10% more for the second so Stalker weapons probably give a 15% bonus with 2 mods.

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I tryed Rolling Thunder[2] It did not work (30*1.5*1.1) = 49.5 (50) in my "VBI TACC Assault Rifle" if it did work it should have bin (30*1.5*1.15) =51.75 (52) Might be diffent weapons give diffrent ? or it might be that I used 2x III mods? sight/mag

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Originally Posted by Zewy

I tryed Rolling Thunder[2] It did not work (30*1.5*1.1) = 49.5 (50) in my "VBI TACC Assault Rifle" if it did work it should have bin (30*1.5*1.15) =51.75 (52) Might be diffent weapons give diffrent ? or it might be that I used 2x III mods? sight/mag

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I see what you're saying but these bonuses only work off of the base amount.

If it didn't stack, it would have calculated as 30 * (1 +.5 high cap mag mod +.1 rolling thunder [2] if not stacking) = 48
It did stack, so it calculated as 30 * (1 +.5 + .15) = 49.5 rounded to 50

I have a tachmag pulser with a natural .25 mag bonus, .50 high cap mag, and .15 rolling thunder bonus = 50 * (1 +.25 + .5 +.15) = 95 rounds. I was originally not expecting the stacking either and expecting 93 rounds or such.

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Originally Posted by alienstookmybeer

I see what you're saying but these bonuses only work off of the base amount.

If it didn't stack, it would have calculated as 30 * (1 +.5 high cap mag mod +.1 rolling thunder [2] if not stacking) = 48
It did stack, so it calculated as 30 * (1 +.5 + .15) = 49.5 rounded to 50

I have a tachmag pulser with a natural .25 mag bonus, .50 high cap mag, and .15 rolling thunder bonus = 50 * (1 +.25 + .5 +.15) = 95 rounds. I was originally not expecting the stacking either and expecting 93 rounds or such.

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I looked at it now but the weapon FRC Assault Carbine did the falloff land somewhere 39,5 and 40 was hard to get the right value there. Need to find a better weapon to test the formula out but on this weapon it looks like +13 for stalker[2] and +8 falloff ((40+8)*1,10)-40 = 12,8 It looks like it adds 8 to base value then it adds the range syn or du you see a other option that ends up in round 13?

Not really sure how it all comes together, but if base range (before falloff) was 40 which I'm not sure on, then it should add about 6 for the stalker synergy.

I know you said you used level 20 weapon skill and I noticed at skill lvl 15 it adds +10% falloff damage. That might make the base range appear to be longer that it really is.

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Originally Posted by alienstookmybeer

Not really sure how it all comes together, but if base range (before falloff) was 40 which I'm not sure on, then it should add about 6 for the stalker synergy.

I know you said you used level 20 weapon skill and I noticed at skill lvl 15 it adds +10% falloff damage. That might make the base range appear to be longer that it really is.

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Totaly forgot about that I still need to save up some scrap and try to get some mod and waepons to keep testing budget for testing is kinda low at the moment.

good post, I never knew that the disrupter was not affected by range, I just thought that its damage was rubbish. I have just been trying one out today and there is no drop off in damage that I can see making it a really good long range SMG. Mine was fire nano so setting light to 99rs in the distance and watching all the semi-human torches run towards me was fun. Must try it at night

Going to try to do one weapon a day and more on weekends. Here is a pistol enjoy skill 20 still need to work on my shotgun skills they are just over 10 so will take some time till I am done with that.
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Here is a other pistol Stalker mod sems like it is useless on this one it adds just 1 in falloff
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As they Move this to General Discussion all test are done on PC version of Defiance.

Stalker sems useless on this one too.
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http://s5.postimg.org/ej984y21j/wolverine.png

http://s5.postimg.org/qdgz2l0bb/magnum.png

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Can we get this sticky'd plz?

Definitely worth holding up front and not buried under 14 movie spams.

I think the extra 5% and 10% range that Stalker gives isn't that great on pistols because their base range looks to be 13-ish meters.

1.05 * 13 = 0 (rounded down)
1.10 * 13 = 1 (rounded down)

Ah last pistol Full Charge is Damage * 4.898 it do some nice damage but it drops of fast.
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Still working on my combat shotgun(13) takes time to get to 20 on it. Going to try to get some time to redo all SMG this week wile I work on my combat shotgun.