Top PvP Players [Xbox NA]

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Originally Posted by jarmin kell

Should the players not make the list for using OP weapon? Is it the players fault that the weapon are uneven that people could bunny hop and not miss a single shot with cankers boomers or tachmags. Now particle repeater are not getting recognize for a skillful weapon. I mean people are whining and complaining saying these people lack skills and should use real weapon. I used cankers because they are simple to use I have fought up to six guys and smoked all 6 or killed 4-5. I understand people get frustrated and their times when I use a spanner and repeater just to get blasted by 2 guys using cankers from cloak and I start rolling like a mad man.
Give the guys credit it takes skill to get 30-40 kills player want to be stubborn and not use OP weapon normally I average 27 kills to 8 death so I know I don't deserved to be top player

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Yea am about to delete these infector/detonator users off my list because of the fact that when they use something different, they end up getting only around 10-20 kills...

Taking on 6 people at the same time with a canker and taking them all out is considered some skill at LEAST, but that's all I'll give you though.

I personally think that it's the weapon's fault for having WAY to many advantages over both the weapon and the skill the enemy has with him that isn't a infector/detonator related. Like other people have said in previous threads, Trion should attempt to put recoil on certain weapons that need it a lot. If a shotgun can have tiny recoil while in mid-air, then ALL the guns should have tiny recoil while in mid-air.

Also, I don't know who can get 30+ kills in pvp capture that's not an infector or detonator user in Xbox pvp. If I do, I may have already wrote them down on the list (still confirming if MikeyBeeLike is good or not; probably not because I saw him using a detonator and can't even get a good score with it and the team he was facing was a bunch of noobs).

If I can't find anyone that's good in the Xbox server, I might lower the requirements by a tad bit. No more lowering or raising the requirements afterwards however.

Who knows maybe I'll lower it down to a good 26+ kills and then you can be in it and like 5-6 others.

Remember this though, just cause you got a lot of kills in pvp doesn't mean your a pro or good. It means your a slayer. There's a HUGE difference between the two words, but I won't go in depth with it.

Maybe I'll even separate the list one for slayers and the other list is for good players.

I see your point looking for quality diverse players who are deadly with anything. Just my point is which you agreed with is it not player fault that weapons are OP but I love this thread and don't understand why people jump to hate and don't give players credit. With love jarmin

I love to hear people ramble on about op weapons and "noobs" who use them. *Sarcasm* When it comes down to it all, it's how you play the game. No naming names, but there are quite a few people here that use the new charge rifle and sit way back just sniping, big boomers, cankers, and bmgs. Yes, your kill death ratio is 35/2 but that does not make a good gamer. Neither does it make you a good gamer to call others noobs because you have some moral hang up on using the weapons that are doing the most dmg. The game, as it stands, forces you to use the most powerful weapon and easiest to use to have a chance, which at the moment is big boomers and cankers. I have much respect for those of you who chose to use ars, lmgs, or subs, but the fact is you will still pale in comparison to those who use the OP weapons, and not in just the k/d ratio. There is no strategy to this game, its basically an all out sprint to clear points or kill as much as possible. That being said, let us list all the op "complaints" that everyone is using, regardless of weapon choice:

1) BMGs- insta shield regen, stealth exposing, auto aim (no skill)
rebuttal - its a good tactic to keep alive, though I don't like the stealth exposure. Use the decoy skill for that.

2) Infectors - Auto aim, damage over time is outrageous.
rebuttal - none, not particularly challenging unless caught in the open, learn to hug walls/objects and break line of sight.

3) Stealth - It is op with ego regen rolls, unfair advantage over those starting out in pvp, insta shield regen. perhaps one of the largest deterrents to starting up in this game.
rebuttal - use decoy with stealth exposure, or be a jerk and use the bmg trick. Or suck it up and use stealth like 75% of the pvp-ers. Dmg over time weapons help keep these people exposed. So there is a draw back to using stealth.

4) Detenators - Over powered damage, to wide of a dmg radius, "noobtuber"
rebuttal - being a "noobtuber" I hate the speedy players, if i can get a lead on you then i can do some dmg, but those who keep changing directions are the smart ones. Most people use these boomers ineffectively anyway. So throw on the blast radius reduction perk and you can usually get them before they get you.

5) Cerberus - Easy kills for body lagging. Yes this is an op complaint. I hear ppl crying all the time that this is unfair. On the other end, and grouping in the runners, the knock back/down response is frustrating.
rebuttal - don't stand in the open like an idiot. Or use the cerberus at your own risk.

6) Charged snipers - in conjunction with stealth, this is a one shot killer. Long range campers can get annoying too.
rebuttal - keep moving constantly, bunny hop if you have to. This is also a deterrent to stealthers as well. Its common sense, but too often i see people run in straight lines or not hopping when they should.

7) Shotguns - Sawed offs with stealth are really op in dmg (one shot killer). This is one of the biggest go to weapons that those crying "op big-boomers and cankers." Guess what? If you use these, you are no different than those big-boomers. In fact, you're probably using less skill than those using big boomers. At least they have to aim instead of getting up in someones face, all stealthy and one shotting them. Grindfraggers/fraggers are no better. We go for the high fire rate ones for the same effect. Little more skill to use than sawed offs though.
rebuttal - same as with stealth, decoy stealth exposure, keep them at a distance and they are ineffective.

8) Pulsers/smgs - same with fraggers, high fire rate makes these easy to use to strip someone down in less than 3 seconds. Usually this is used on people distracted and thus no reaction from the target.
rebuttal- be aware of your surroundings. Keep panning the camera around your character when not fighting someone and you can usually catch these people, unless stealthed but you should know how to handle that by now.

9) Fragnades - One shot killer, op with short det times.
rebuttal - bring some lube, or its gonna hurt. Really no way around this if a good player tosses one at ya.

10) Bunny hopping - No aim penalties for certain weapons, "cowardly" way to play, especially with modded controllers to auto jump (I've seen quite a few people contantly jumping w/o any breaks. Even spent a day stealth following certain people in pvp to see if they ever stopped).
rebuttal - let me take you out in the desert and fire some shots at you while telling you not to bunny hop/roll/ or dodge. Use some slowing effect weapons to keep these people rooted. Or just quit. This game is like halo in pvp aspects. Go play another one if you don't like how this is played.

So what does that leave us with? ars, lmgs, rockets, and swords (though the auto swing aim is a bit op for locking onto people). Might as well go play COD or Battlefield for some real skill, though I don't give much credit to some of the COD series, cause they are way to easy in pvp.

When it comes to the end of the day, it really does not matter what you use. There is counters for every "OP" pvp tactic. Up your skill and learn them. Stop crying cause little jonny son of a ***** got you while you weren't looking. Enjoy the game and play it your way. If you don't like how this game is built, go play another. Trion has given you more than enough reasons to quit, but yet you remain, so it must not be that OP if you keep queing up. There are forum posts to get the game changed and feedback options in game to tell the developers to change weapons.

Until then, keep the crying to a minimum, the pursuit of skill to a maximum, and your rage where it belongs (in your xbox live messages to me).

For those who know me, or see me in game, I run big-boomer and nano fragger -or- nano fragger and vbi SMG. No moral hang ups here about using them either.

See ya in game (you'll see me in the kill cam),
Drizztt Do'Urden

The list shouldve been made by either putting a vote together for people not here, or people here throwing their name to be voted on... Its always left to opinion when a few talk it over... TBH I like breaking down where players are really good as PvP'rs... Like Milk, always seems to be crushing C on FY when his spawn is A-side, generally where i run into him.

As far as what Artimis said: The only disagreement/critique i have with anything you said was the "Halo aspect" that Defiance PvP has. Just no. Jumping in Halo is used in 2 basic scenarios, Last Shot kill and angling down shots from elevation for protection... Halo is straight up, 4 BR headshots as we know, if you can throw off that last shot your chances are infinitely better... Angling your shots down from elevation only gets better when you jump. Its easier to hit the top of the head going down, then shooting up. You basically put the body in from of the head. (Halo 3 Swat, its the same ideology in using Elites. You are less-likely to headshot the back of the head, because the angle of the head).

Since no one (pro's/MLG) uses Swords, and Rockets (the only auto-aim/explosives) are somewhat a rarity in Halo, jumping is a not utilized since your BR is WAY more effective. The thing is, nothing limits these in Defiance which makes the PvP such junk IMO, which makes you argue if Infectors, and Dets should be added to the convo of who uses what, and if theyre good.

In the end, it doesnt matter who is great in Defiance PvP. Its nice to be recognized, but nothing will ever come of it since there is no plateau to hit to be "The Best in Defiance". Its kinda like being Employee of the Month, good photo-op, and a confidence builder, but in most cases, a useless achievement.

One problem with this list is that you are basing it off of freight yard. You should play observatory or waterfront cause thats all i play bc freight yard lags to much. I get plenty enough kills with my ar on those game types. Im not saying I want to be on ur list or that im good enough but ur never gnna find other good players if all you do is play Capture and hold. I can get over 25 kills a game on observatory with my ar and idk why blaze is saying all i kno how to use is a boomer when ive dueled him like 100 times with my ar and showed him i can use it. And one more thing what does outmodedbubble use besides cloak one shot sawed off shotgun runaway cloak just wondering but other than that ur list is fine.

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Originally Posted by Artimis Entrii

1) BMGs- insta shield regen, stealth exposing, auto aim (no skill)
rebuttal - its a good tactic to keep alive, though I don't like the stealth exposure. Use the decoy skill for that.

2) Infectors - Auto aim, damage over time is outrageous.
rebuttal - none, not particularly challenging unless caught in the open, learn to hug walls/objects and break line of sight.

3) Stealth - It is op with ego regen rolls, unfair advantage over those starting out in pvp, insta shield regen. perhaps one of the largest deterrents to starting up in this game.
rebuttal - use decoy with stealth exposure, or be a jerk and use the bmg trick. Or suck it up and use stealth like 75% of the pvp-ers. Dmg over time weapons help keep these people exposed. So there is a draw back to using stealth.

4) Detenators - Over powered damage, to wide of a dmg radius, "noobtuber"
rebuttal - being a "noobtuber" I hate the speedy players, if i can get a lead on you then i can do some dmg, but those who keep changing directions are the smart ones. Most people use these boomers ineffectively anyway. So throw on the blast radius reduction perk and you can usually get them before they get you.

5) Cerberus - Easy kills for body lagging. Yes this is an op complaint. I hear ppl crying all the time that this is unfair. On the other end, and grouping in the runners, the knock back/down response is frustrating.
rebuttal - don't stand in the open like an idiot. Or use the cerberus at your own risk.

6) Charged snipers - in conjunction with stealth, this is a one shot killer. Long range campers can get annoying too.
rebuttal - keep moving constantly, bunny hop if you have to. This is also a deterrent to stealthers as well. Its common sense, but too often i see people run in straight lines or not hopping when they should.

7) Shotguns - Sawed offs with stealth are really op in dmg (one shot killer). This is one of the biggest go to weapons that those crying "op big-boomers and cankers." Guess what? If you use these, you are no different than those big-boomers. In fact, you're probably using less skill than those using big boomers. At least they have to aim instead of getting up in someones face, all stealthy and one shotting them. Grindfraggers/fraggers are no better. We go for the high fire rate ones for the same effect. Little more skill to use than sawed offs though.
rebuttal - same as with stealth, decoy stealth exposure, keep them at a distance and they are ineffective.

8) Pulsers/smgs - same with fraggers, high fire rate makes these easy to use to strip someone down in less than 3 seconds. Usually this is used on people distracted and thus no reaction from the target.
rebuttal- be aware of your surroundings. Keep panning the camera around your character when not fighting someone and you can usually catch these people, unless stealthed but you should know how to handle that by now.

9) Fragnades - One shot killer, op with short det times.
rebuttal - bring some lube, or its gonna hurt. Really no way around this if a good player tosses one at ya.

10) Bunny hopping - No aim penalties for certain weapons, "cowardly" way to play, especially with modded controllers to auto jump (I've seen quite a few people contantly jumping w/o any breaks. Even spent a day stealth following certain people in pvp to see if they ever stopped).
rebuttal - let me take you out in the desert and fire some shots at you while telling you not to bunny hop/roll/ or dodge. Use some slowing effect weapons to keep these people rooted. Or just quit. This game is like halo in pvp aspects. Go play another one if you don't like how this is played.

Drizztt Do'Urden

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2) You got that right, people need to stop going out in the open when they know that they tried it once and got killed by groups of people.

5)It's really crazy when you get run over by some invisible Cerberus that can't even load up before it hits you. Had this happen a bunch of times.

6)Still don't get why people use charged snipers other than the accuracy and how fast it shoots. Just have a bolt action sniper that has a crit multiplier of 4.1+. Not hard to aim since it's easy to get kills in Xbox pvp.

8)Out of my entire time playing pvp in Xbox, like 4 months, I've only died to a smg about only 20-35 times. Don't see how people are doing "great" with it in the Xbox, everyone there is rather terrible at using it.

9) I see your point there and it gets even worse because once Trion adds the feature in dlc 2 where we get to have a certain amount of grenades before having to go to a ammo box to refill on them, people will start raging a lot about how you killed them by throwing like 4 grenades at them.

Yes, I know that getting like 30+ kills is not considered a good player, but rather called a slayer. Like 99% of all people in Xbox can't get to the point when there a good player, but that's ok because my list consist of good players AND slayers.

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Originally Posted by Alectrix

One problem with this list is that you are basing it off of freight yard. You should play observatory or waterfront cause thats all i play bc freight yard lags to much. I get plenty enough kills with my ar on those game types. Im not saying I want to be on ur list or that im good enough but ur never gnna find other good players if all you do is play Capture and hold. I can get over 25 kills a game on observatory with my ar and idk why blaze is saying all i kno how to use is a boomer when ive dueled him like 100 times with my ar and showed him i can use it. And one more thing what does outmodedbubble use besides cloak one shot sawed off shotgun runaway cloak just wondering but other than that ur list is fine.

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Sorry, I just hate the fact that in Observatory, there's always that one guy, I think his name was Instant Chromic forgot, that keeps going in close quarters combat and bunny hops using his big-boomer with extended mag.

I can't kill him because he keeps going to close to me to sniper him and smartly changes his direction that he's moving in every time he jumps. He's like the only person I can't kill at all. I constantly refuse to use these 'op' weapons just to kill him. He should try going to Freight yard :P

For waterfront, I just feel it's way to short and Trion needs to find a way to extend how long an average game can last in there. It's not worth waiting to playing in like a 3-4 minute game in my opinion.

Well with people still making silly lists when there is a much lower pvp crowd then when the game was first released, I am surprised to see nobody has broken the 29-0 record game on observatory set by FARTRIPPER214. Make all the lists and comparisons you want the PvP crowd is much weaker than is used to be and many of the people posting in this thread only say they are good, yet have never been featured in pics or videos doing something well in pvp. I think yoo walker is on there in a different name now( maybe phenoms?). That is the only person on this list that is recognizable as having skill in this games PvP.

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Originally Posted by mbergeron

Make all the lists and comparisons you want the PvP crowd is much weaker than is used to be and many of the people posting in this thread only say they are good, yet have never been featured in pics or videos doing something well in pvp.

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Here let me "summarize" what you just said to me just now.

Lets say someone gets like 50+ kills and 5-10 deaths in every capture and hold pvp game type, but never showed any pictures or videos to prove it. Everyone knows him when they enter the match because of how good he is. This "person" is now considered terrible because he has no pictures or videos and you and a few others know for a fact that there's no such thing as an aimbot in THIS game, yet you still go on rambling about how this guy is "not good" because he has no digital evidence.

Now I'll ask you this, what makes you think just cause you see digital evidence means that they're any good? Digital evidence is just as unreliable as personal opinion is what your saying. Ever used Photoshop or any kind of video editing software because you should try it one day.

I know these guys are good and that's a fact. If you played nothing but pvp 24/7, you'd see these guys getting lots of kills or being a good player and capture and hold down positions and get sometimes low scores. Your not a bad player just cause you got a low score/kd and your not a good player just cause you got a high score/kd. It's about how many wins you get and how much kills it took to win. Look I'm not about to go in-depth with this so look it up in a video in YouTube or something.

If you know someone is good, but never got included in the list just let me know. Don't need digital evidence to understand who is pro or not. It's called I'll use what we call observation to identify if he's any better than the average pvper in this game by seeing him in pvp matches.

R u kidding me? I beat 29-0 along time ago on observatory. My highest on there is 39-0. Ive also gotten 36-0 like 10 times but i usually average 30-0 with my big boomer on observatory. Plenty of pppl kno this and i can do it again if u want lol.