And the winner of the cross over to the show is....

Although I am starting to become quite sarcastic about the game Defiance, if Alethea is a real player (like, people know this person to play regularly or guildmates and such), I consider it legit.

It's a show. For practical reasons, I have no issue with the lead creator of the TV show picking from the top 5 and participants only able to join if legal resident of 1 of the 50 United States.

I DO have issues with not stating that particular term clearly and not presenting this in a broader manner then some obscure Youtube 20sec clip. I agree with Beck 100% on this.

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Originally Posted by Beck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IrpYAH58IQ

Question: Why is this not a big deal? This should be a listed video, with some actual production value to it, not a grubby looking producer who looks like he got ambushed into doing a video.

I am starting to wonder how legit this contest was and how real this person is who won. It doesn't add up when you think about how a big deal of a deal this should be.

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Imho it's one of the frekin' selling points of the game/show, because this is proper cross content.

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Originally Posted by Escyos

As for KTAM radio, it is a fan site and adds nothing to the canon of Defiance, so it has no place on Defiance Wiki.

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You obviously do not listen to K-TAM. We have been seeding our story lines with content from the actual Defiance glossary which we have had bits of given to us. We have the only expanding and growing story line in Defiance. We have had the most interviews with Defiance Staffers and will continue to try and get more of them and have some lines on other people related to Defiance. I can only imagine the amount of content you have missed out on with your thinking that as a fan site we have nothing to contribute. This goes for all other fan sites as well. We ALL contribute to the success or failure of this game in some part.

Unlike a wiki we are not just repeating what is already there for anyone else to see. We are actually creating and fleshing out the world of Defiance and making it much more immersive. We have in the past asked very nicely to be let in on the back story enough so we can at least create content that is consistent, we have had a lot of leaked info given to us which we are using, but have also had to create our own stories because the game has none and there is little to suggest it ever will have a story evolution beyond what you already see.

As a Wiki, you should also be including fan sites and resource sites such as Defiance Central and Defiance Data. We are all part of the same community. Just as we have always made it available for sites like yours to advertise on K-TAM and promote yourselves. Remember who announced the release date of DLC1 first which was confirmed almost a week later. That's right, it was K-TAM. Stick that in your Wiki. :p

As for the questionable contest. What makes this questionable is how it was handled. As I said, the producer looks like he just woke up from a 3 day bender, there is no production, no fan fare, no interview on the phone with the winner to announce it to them. Even the video is unlisted, which means you can not find it on youtube unless you know the URL. It is secret, private, mysterious.

All of the FB pages have been taken down, you can't view any of the info anymore and the list goes on. As a contest it really only rewarded people who performed one action. That is not what Defiance should be about, it should be about making an impact, but there is nothing in the game to do such a thing. Why not just pick the most active player with the most kills, most traveled on foot and by car, maxed out ego and all skills and so on?

When you have 1 player who aside from the 2nd place votes, has more votes than the other 8 combined, the community has clearly spoken and you would think out of respect for your community you would make your choice based on the top two most popular people and maybe have a little extra event or something to ramp it up.

The back stories were fixed, no one got to create or pick their back story out of a pool of say 20. That would have been more random, but the fact that the back stories were already picked out it is easy to think that likely two or three of them were already written into the Season two scripts and all they needed was one of their pre-writes to make it into the top 5. This is not really random, and it is not really fair either.

When I look at all of this, the hangover ambush video, pages disappearing online that related to the contest before the winner was announced, the 2nd lowest voted character and the fact that to this point no one has been able to find this person online at all and their clan is an Australian clan. This is why it seems questionable. K-TAM has spoken with most of the 10 people who were winners. I think there were 3 we couldn't find, ever. No one knows who they were, never seen them online and most of the other 10 had been aware of a couple of the others before. They don't seem to log on and even tracking down guild mates who know them has been very difficult.

Is there a chance we just missed them? Yes, but we have had many people helping us out so it would seem unlikely. But it is possible. We have seen with the contests in the past they cater to a specific type of player anyway. I would imagine the next will be PVP related. I could be completely wrong, it is totally possible, but this is not how you keep long term fans and people committed to the game when you marginalize your community once again in this way.

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Originally Posted by Beck

All of the FB pages have been taken down, you can't view any of the info anymore and the list goes on. As a contest it really only rewarded people who performed one action. That is not what Defiance should be about, it should be about making an impact, but there is nothing in the game to do such a thing. Why not just pick the most active player with the most kills, most traveled on foot and by car, maxed out ego and all skills and so on?

..When you have 1 player who aside from the 2nd place votes, has more votes than the other 8 combined, the community has clearly spoken and you would think out of respect for your community you would make your choice based on the top two most popular people and maybe have a little extra event or something to ramp it up.

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Questioning validity of the contest I can understand, lack of proper PR management I can understand, same goes for the failing communication skills on Trions side towards the community (but hey, won't be the first time). Maybe that gets cleared up a bit better at a later stage. Doubting the procedure on how this contest went down though, is pretty serious.

Where we clearly disagree is your belief that a player who tops nr.1 should be chosen, even though rules clearly state it can be any of the top 5. Maybe the nr.1 was ugly as hell (although Irathien makeup solves a lot), maybe the nr.1 did not fit the demography of what they are looking for as a person, maybe the nr.1 did not fit the character profile they prepared in advance.

For all you know, Kevin Murphy, the lead creator the TV show was looking for a girl with a callsign that fit better with what he had in mind for the show or Alethea is just living closest to the studio. Eitherway, it was clearly stated, he still had some stretch in picking the player. The community choose their top 5. Kevin had the last say.

I can think of so many reasons to pick or not pick a nr. 1, but I find your argument "Community clearly picked nr.1, so it has to be nr.1" far from sound. I feel we might have to agree to disagree on that point.

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Originally Posted by Beck

You obviously do not listen to K-TAM. We have been seeding our story lines with content from the actual Defiance glossary which we have had bits of given to us. We have the only expanding and growing story line in Defiance. We have had the most interviews with Defiance Staffers and will continue to try and get more of them and have some lines on other people related to Defiance. I can only imagine the amount of content you have missed out on with your thinking that as a fan site we have nothing to contribute. This goes for all other fan sites as well. We ALL contribute to the success or failure of this game in some part.

Unlike a wiki we are not just repeating what is already there for anyone else to see. We are actually creating and fleshing out the world of Defiance and making it much more immersive. We have in the past asked very nicely to be let in on the back story enough so we can at least create content that is consistent, we have had a lot of leaked info given to us which we are using, but have also had to create our own stories because the game has none and there is little to suggest it ever will have a story evolution beyond what you already see.

As a Wiki, you should also be including fan sites and resource sites such as Defiance Central and Defiance Data. We are all part of the same community. Just as we have always made it available for sites like yours to advertise on K-TAM and promote yourselves. Remember who announced the release date of DLC1 first which was confirmed almost a week later. That's right, it was K-TAM. Stick that in your Wiki. :p

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From what I can gather people cannot listen to these interviews unless they get them live so there is no way to confirm anything given out by guests. If I'm wrong, please let me know. Defiance Wiki is about facts that can be confirmed by everyone. At any rate your site cannot be used as a source as your not affiliated with Trion or Syfy and so anything you make is not canon.

Wikis do not have to follow the same rules as other wikis. I may include a select group of fan sites in the future but as of now there is simply no place for them.

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Originally Posted by Escyos

From what I can gather people cannot listen to these interviews unless they get them live so there is no way to confirm anything given out by guests. If I'm wrong, please let me know.

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All of our interviews are available on our YouTube page. Defiance Data also has transcripts available for most of them as well.

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Originally Posted by dude26212

the reason this person won is cause the winner is chosen from the top 5 by Kevin Murphy not the the community. http://community.defiance.com/en/201...join-the-show/ been that way since july

edit: basicly they choose the one the show thinks they can work with best story wise. other wise you could end up with an uninteresting character that is there only cause he had alot of friends (not saying thats what happened, but it would make sense to make that a rule)

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Originally Posted by Rumeyes

For all you know, Kevin Murphy, the lead creator the TV show was looking for a girl with a callsign that fit better with what he had in mind for the show or Alethea is just living closest to the studio. Eitherway, it was clearly stated, he still had some stretch in picking the player. The community choose their top 5. Kevin had the last say.

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The SyFy Defiance writing team wrote the backstories, if this was the case, the deck was already stacked and they had chosen their winner before the voting even started, in which case the validity of the contest certainly can be called into question.

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Originally Posted by Skatch

All of our interviews are available on our YouTube page. Defiance Data also has transcripts available for most of them as well.

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Could you narrow it down to anything we have ever been told before? Because I went through the "transcripts" and found nothing of consequence.

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Originally Posted by Escyos

Could you narrow it down to anything we have ever been told before? Because I went through the "transcripts" and found nothing of consequence.

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I would leave the relevancy of the interview up to the person listening to decide. You suggested that people could only listen to them live. I corrected you and provided avenues to their location. I am not here to debate the merit of the content of said interview. That is open to perspective to which we are all entitled to our own.

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I would leave the relevancy of the interview up to the person listening to decide. You suggested that people could only listen to them live. I corrected you and provided avenues to their location. I am not here to debate the merit of the content of said interview. That is open to perspective to which we are all entitled to our own.

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If information in those interviews does not appear to add anything to the canon of Defiance. That is the consequence I was talking about.