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The player joinin the next season does not look right like she dont belong.
just wont sit right with me at all.
If you look at my character it fits in with the show perfectly,
looks like who ever picked that char does not know what he/she is doing makin desicions like that
makes e sad sad sad
Fans do not get input in shows for one reason - their ideas kind of suck.
Leave the shows to the people who know how to make them.
From what I understand, the actual person will not be in the show. Just the players avatar, who will most likely be played by an actor.
Nobodys character will look right because no outfits in game fit in with what you see on the show. Cant wait to see how they fit in goofy power armor. Of course they wont, instead it will be someone with the same hair color who looks absolutely nothing remotely like the character.
As someone already mentioned, its just the in game stuff not the actual person that will be on the show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmack
It is also important to point out that the backstories of the characters were written by the SyFy folks for those players who made it to round 2 of the contest. In the last round the SyFy made the choice as to who "won", meaning that in one very easy way of looking at the whole "contest" that SyFy already knew what they were looking for to slip in for the show. So, the -only- thing a player was actually able to have a say in was the name and race of the character. SyFy did all the rest.
In other words, players were given the illusion of input when really they had none.
While the esteemed owner of supposed "wiki" may feel that "fans ideas suck", I would counter that the contest more likely was drawn up in this manner to give free and clear control to SyFy in the event of any creativity or legal issues while, as I mentioned, giving the belief to fans that they had more input in the contest than they actually did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Escyos
Player intervention in MMO's are done thusfar in multiple choice form. No matter what choices you would choose, you would always be restricted by the writing of the creator. It's no excuse for selling "giving you the chance to change the show". That's just lazy storywriting on the creator's part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Escyos
And I don't mean small dialog multiple choice options like one game does, I mean a large storyarc with at the end of each of thusfar 3 storyarcs a choice that influences the plot.
Being said that, it does gives options for cross content in ways that can let players influence the storyline of either game or show. That's something I wanted to ask in the Livestream as well. The only MMOs that do however are RPG heavy MMO's though. Defiance isnt that yet.
Aside that fact, theres also a pretty long thread about the question if the backstory was already prepared in advance by the writers of the show, which makes this contest just about a player name tag being used in the show, which really isn't a "change" for me.
http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...to-the-show-is....
You wanna sell bread, bake bread. You wanna sell cookies, dont package it as bread.
Cmon, let it go, not here, not now.. Well derail just like in the other thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanguinesun
Shows and movies can be influenced by the feeling or opinion of audience also. If a certain direction doesn't land well with the public, there's a chance it could be reconsidered.
Aww, but it is so very entertaining. And we'd hate for the rest of the general public to miss out on all the fun we've been having in PMs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumeyes
Besides, I'm finding it harder and harder not to change my sig to "Enhance your Defiance experience by staying away from the Defiance wiki!" :cool:
Ahem... :o
As to the topic, was it ever actually confirmed that this was a real player? There was some accusations thrown around that this could have been rigged with a "plant", and, as far as I know, no one ever came forward and said "Yes I know that person and played with them in-game."...
Not that I particularly care either way at this point, but it is an interesting case of events.
You must be playing a special version of the game. There are plenty of outfits that fit in with what is seen in the show including starter outfits like the survivalist default. You have to be willfully blind to this as it's all you see at Major Arkfalls. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Elysion
First post on these forums (though I've been lurking in the shadows for the past few days). I have 2 objectives;Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaearth
1. Sanguinesun, you're my favorite person here. Keep on kickin' *** and chewin' bubblegum.
2. Xaerth, you mean like this?
Enhance your Defiance experience by avoiding The Defiance Wiki!
http://forums.defiance.com/image.php...ine=1352444010
Defiance Wiki - "Fans do not get input ... for one reason - their ideas kind of suck!"
My character fits in better too, I understand. Oh well... I don't really watch the show anyways xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Dmack
/golf clapQuote:
Originally Posted by Soycse
Anyway, on topic. To confirm it is only their name and nothing else. Even the race could be changed along with sex if the name was ambiguous enough. In a way I am glad it wasn't me, I own my name and would put up a good stink if they tried to rewrite me.
Either way it'll be interesting to see how they show EGO in the television portion....If they do.
Some years ago on the GateWorld Forum a poster there kept pushing very hard for his idea to become part of the show. His idea was this:
We find out that the last few years had all been a dream for the main character and that character is actually inside a massive matrix like world.
That's right they wanted to change the story completely, for no reason, a show that was in the middle of a great run, that had no sign of slowing down and they wanted to essentially retcon the whole thing away.
And that was just the tip of the iceberg, other fans want conclusions to EVERYTHING leaving nothing open in the slightest way. Such an action would destroy future stories and severely limit the show.
Fans want certain characters to get together, despite it being said that such things were impossible and they would probably ruin how the show was run.
Fans wanted pretty much every dead character to come back to life, granted they did that with two main characters, but fans wanted ALL the dead ones to come back.
As you can see fans become invested in the characters and story of the show, in some cases to obsession, but writers tend not to so they can see how to make a good story for everyone and not for that one guy who wants things his way.
You can't really group up people so easily.
There are just as many fans with good ideas as there are with moronic ones.
You can't say all fans are stupid because of a handful of really loud and annoying few that just wont' shut up with their stupid idea.
It's why so many countries hate the US. lol They only see the very loud and very stupid, and don't bother to look at everyone else.
Of course it doesn't help that the majority of those idiots are in charge of the country. lol ZING!
Obviously, I'd hate to be grouped with the crazies as well. But what I'm saying is that most ideas are insane. Of course there are good ones, I believe all my ideas for shows are good ones but I also know that many people will assume my ideas are stupid. It's relative to the person, although occasionally you get the ideas that are universally hated.Quote:
Originally Posted by hardy83
As I said, fans are invested in the show a little too much sometimes and so they shouldn't be given any control over it at all.
Bud, you aren't making any sense. The game/show's unique selling point is their intertwined symbiosis. If you advertise that they are "giving you the chance to change the show", then from a RPG standpoint, I expect more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Escyos
The adding of a player name tag does feel like lazy to me. Like adding just data recorders to add story content.
As I stated before, playerchoices can be defined well within borders by the creator of the game/show. It lets the player feel like in control of the experience, while still maintaining the overal storyline and pushing it in the direction Trion/Syfy wants.
Players are never in control of creating a game, thats not what were paying for. It's the experience and joy that comes with the adventure.
So your character wasn't picked and you're sad? God, grow up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmack
This one guy on a different unrelated and in no way relevant venue had great suggestions and all the things that got used were brilliant. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Escyos
and the reason that both unrelated anecdotes are irrelevant? Because the contest was, and I quote,
"Called "Play the Game. Join the Show," this in-game contest pits players against the game’s Arkfall events to see who can rise to the top and become the ultimate Ark Hunter. The winner’s character will appear during the second season of the TV series."
Not put in a character we already designed and you get to influence the look and name of the 5 contenders.
Yes the fine print did explain they would write the character's back story and pick from the five finalists and was very clear. This was why I, and many others, had no interest.
Indeed. And here's a concrete example though of another contest for a different show that was done brilliantly with fan participation:Quote:
Originally Posted by TigrisMorteThis one guy on a different unrelated and in no way relevant venue had great suggestions and all the things that got used were brilliant. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Escyos
and the reason that both unrelated anecdotes are irrelevant? Because the contest was, and I quote,
"Called "Play the Game. Join the Show," this in-game contest pits players against the game’s Arkfall events to see who can rise to the top and become the ultimate Ark Hunter. The winner’s character will appear during the second season of the TV series."
Not put in a character we already designed and you get to influence the look and name of the 5 contenders.
Yes the fine print did explain they would write the character's back story and pick from the five finalists and was very clear. This was why I, and many others, had no interest.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/do...n-by-fans.html
"Death Is The Only Answer", written by children from Oakley CE Junior School in Basingstoke, UK.
But I guess our esteemed supposed "wiki" owner will say those children "suck" too or come up with some other equally silly dismissal. :rolleyes:
Consistency is at least working in his favor.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumeyes
That's right ... You never had a chance to win it anyway! This contest, like all the others in defiance have been Won by exploiters. People who used game glitches to win them, or hacks. The numbers when compared to the time limits simply don't add up!
For example..... the kill the most elemental hellbugs in 1 hour winner , averaged 2.1 elemental hellbugs per second. Over 120 per minute! IMPOSSIBLE!! < No where in the game did that many Elemental hellbugs spawn that fast normally > Unless they used an exploit, which they did, the DEV's know about these and Awarded the exploiters the Wins anyway! So when i say you DID NOT have ANY CHANCE to WIN, I Mean it!!!
This and other problems is why I hardly log in and tons more DO NOT log back in! I am probably not far away from giving it up myself, I am just so tired of all the BS!
I am 5000 Ego, 103/105 pursuits < Should be 104/105, even a ticket didn't get this fixed > and i Played since Alpha testing. I am not a Noob, or a Whiner, Nor did i just start this game. My math is solid. Go back and look at the winning numbers for previous contests and break it down into normal time and you will find they Do Not add up within the limitation of the game, they mostly all Exploiters! If any of them were won ligit, its lost in all the cheaters who already won! They even waited so long to post a winner in one contest the player had since Quit defiance.
As I remember it for some of the participants, they had their clan help to facilitate their winning. They'd kill, then port to a friend that was keeping another set busy and do this ad infinitum. This saved them the time of hunting those elemental hellbugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by krondin
You think your character looks soo good? then show us a picture of it.
Just laugh it off. Getting upset won't get you anywhere..Quote:
Originally Posted by krondin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz_-VaTHpc8
@TigrisMorte - Do not misquote me in your attempts to validate your argument, you would not like it if I did that with yours.
@Sanguinesun - I have no idea about Dr. Who and frankly don't care about it at all. Even if a fan wrote an episode, they would be bound by the lore of the show, same with the ones on Defiance. The last thing Syfy needs is to try to get permission to use the name SpockYodaSuperman from clan DeathstarEnterprise. I never said that all fan suggestions suck, just that most of them are total garbage that more frequently include vampires these days.
Contest was probably rigged in some way anyway.
Now where they went wrong was picking some wonky looking person. They should have gone with the survivalist default skin. How could it be disputed? Everyone looks that way.
I think if your Wiki was doing so well you would not be acting like a compete butt head. You have certainly lost a few fans from the forums I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Escyos
It's a shame you are so arrogant and dismissive. Trying being a part of the community you say you cater to and support.
everyone here: http://youtu.be/sn6jKGVxTbk
Be cool if person who won had dark mater gear and we get see it in show
Tigris didnt "misquote" you. He paraphrased for brevity the intent in meaning of the fact of what you said to make a point. You're just simply disliking such embarrassment and sought to try to deflect it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Escyos
It comes at no surprise to most I think that you would be ignorant of the longest running Sci-Fi show in the world. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Escyos
As for the comment on the aspects of being bound to the lore of defiance and writing an episode, it has -no relevance- to the issue, which was your claim originally that "fans dont get input for shows" because their ideas suck.
Such was refuted concretely, much to your chagrin and also attempted deflection.
You most certainly did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Escyos
Just for clarification this is exactly what you said:
You didnt state "some" or "a few" or "most" or "half" or "a majority" etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Escyos
You stated unequivocally fans do not get input. Back pedaling above to try to mitigate what you originally stated just entrenches you further in your fallacy.
I find that insulting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzVN9vCiSycQuote:
Originally Posted by four
It appears she is. Our Guild leader (who ended up #2 in the popular vote) apparently knows her to some extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaearth
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Originally Posted by BJWyler
Interesting. Are they still actively playing?
Proof or it didn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by BJWyler
Hearsay is hearsay.
My ideas don't suck, check my sig if you want some neat ideas ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Escyos
Ever heard of a show called 'Firefly'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Escyos
(he asked facetiously).
You lose.
I honestly feel like from the get go, the writers had a character spot that they needed to fill. The contest was what it was, but if you read the character bio for Alethea it provides the opportunity to introduce a Votan Pale War vet with their own perspective, existential crisis and the narrative opportunities that provides.
I'd be willing to bet this character was already in existence before the contest launched and they just picked the avatar that they felt fit that bill the best.
firefly was cancelled before the first season even ended.Quote:
Originally Posted by crasher
And the fact it's cancelled before the 1st season would be a reason I should care why?Quote:
Originally Posted by four
http://dvdbash.files.wordpress.com/2...dvdbash-21.jpg
If I had to compare the story from the episodes from Firefly with Defiance.. Well, let's not.
Cancelled and not brought back for a reason. Go jack off to your picture of actresses elsewhere.
Haha, aside from the gorgeous actresses (you might recognize 1 from V and Suits), it also looked like it had a higher production value. That it's cancelled doesn't make it necessarily a worse series then Defiance. Personally, cancelled or not, I find Firefly to be a better series then Defiance.Quote:
Originally Posted by four