How to appease the masses...With style!!!

I've never asked for anything in this game other than to see it fixed and for Trion to show some thanks to the players who have stuck by it since the start, of which I am one. I'm still playing after 7 months so I can't deny the fact that I've had my moneys worth.

I don't play as much as I used to but I would if things ran better and they got the bugs sorted out as I really do still get a lot of fun from playing (Still can't play for a whole night without multiple disconnections), but I do want to show this quick comparison just for arguments sake...

For all the bugs and problems we suffer, what do we get in return??? Maybe the odd bonus loot weekend or something along the lines of that, along with lots of promises of 'we're working on them' or 'soon,' which never seem to pan out without breaking something else ingame, and we very rarely get any decent patch notes anymore...This lack of communication is the biggest deal breaker for me at the moment.

Rockstar have just announced today that all players of GTA V Online are going to get 500,000 GTA$ (Half a Million) by the end of the month as a thank you for putting up with all the problems at launch along with tons of notes and fixes of exactly what has been fixed so far, what is being fixed next and, more importantly, when...

It's all there on their website if you want to check for yourself (socialclub.rockstargames.com).

This thread is NOT meant as a dig. It's meant as a comparison just to point out a few differences between two companies who want us gamers to support their product and to continue to do so...

Now that, in my opinion, is how to appease the masses in style!!!!!!!

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I say more xp bonuses. Although Im a couple hundred away from 5000. I notice that low level players don't seem to feel as cool be under 2000. Even though it doesn't effect their performance much, its just that number looming over their heads.

Yesterday was the first time in a week that the vendor stations at Muir actually spawned into existence.

I don't want free money. I don't want another XP or loot-boost weekend. I want them to fix the game.

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Originally Posted by Lillith Valerian

Yesterday was the first time in a week that the vendor stations at Muir actually spawned into existence.

I don't want free money. I don't want another XP or loot-boost weekend. I want them to fix the game.

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I want the game to get fixed as well, but I do see what the OP is saying. Some kind of gesture like that on their part would be nice, just to show that they appreciate all the people who have stuck around.

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Originally Posted by SydSynister

I want the game to get fixed as well, but I do see what the OP is saying. Some kind of gesture like that on their part would be nice, just to show that they appreciate all the people who have stuck around.

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They gave us a couple freebies in May and people screamed that it wasn't enough, and the people who had just got the game whined that they weren't given the hand out. I agree some kind of Ark Hunter appreciation day/week would be nice, but I'd rather they concentrate on fixing the bugs and giving us Dlc 2 sooner.

Im playing gta v online now and i got a message saying about what their giving me and their fixes are working alot better then defiance has it's just down to pride rockstar cares more about its games and customers then trion does which is very evident.

For now I haven't seen any problems. Then again, I'm new around here and in the game. Rockstar is Rockstar. EA is EA. And Trion is Trion. To compare developer companies is to compare Italian mobs to Irish Mobs. Shrugs.

I hope they continue supporting this game cause I like it so far...

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Originally Posted by sly wolf

Im playing gta v online now and i got a message saying about what their giving me and their fixes are working alot better then defiance has it's just down to pride rockstar cares more about its games and customers then trion does which is very evident.

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This is not necessarily the case. I suspect that Rockstar may simply have a much, much larger pool of developers / employees working on GTA than Trion does on Defiance. If that's the case, you can't really blame Trion's employees for the slow development in implementing fixes.

What bleeds my patience with this game are the seemingly-nonsensical decisions being made, like changes no one asked for to grenades, another new type of arkfall coming instead of something truly new and exciting, or 'boosting spikes'. I have not seen a single person excited for any of this. And yet we still have horrible, *horrible* weapon boosts and synergy combinations, crippling bugs, and broken interfaces.

The idea that there are an appropriate number of rare weapons being dropped is a flat-out lie, when the majority of those rare weapons being dropped have useless boosts or mismatched synergy sets. I understand that it may be difficult to implement a fix. But how difficult can it be to program the vendors to stop selling scavenger sniper mods?

We know future DLC is going to be far, far later than was stated (despite their dancing around it).
They need to just ignore the hopelessly-late DLC and channel every bit of resources they have into fixing everything that's wrong first. I can't help but feel all the more strongly about it since the next DLC isn't exciting to myself, or anyone I know, with exception for the new interface. And the very fact the the most exciting thing about a DLC is a fix for something that already exists is itself sad and telling.

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Originally Posted by Lillith Valerian

This is not necessarily the case. I suspect that Rockstar may simply have a much, much larger pool of developers / employees working on GTA than Trion does on Defiance. If that's the case, you can't really blame Trion's employees for the slow development in implementing fixes.

What bleeds my patience with this game are the seemingly-nonsensical decisions being made, like changes no one asked for to grenades, another new type of arkfall coming instead of something truly new and exciting, or 'boosting spikes'. I have not seen a single person excited for any of this. And yet we still have horrible, *horrible* weapon boosts and synergy combinations, crippling bugs, and broken interfaces.

The idea that there are an appropriate number of rare weapons being dropped is a flat-out lie, when the majority of those rare weapons being dropped have useless boosts or mismatched synergy sets. I understand that it may be difficult to implement a fix. But how difficult can it be to program the vendors to stop selling scavenger sniper mods?

We know future DLC is going to be far, far later than was stated (despite their dancing around it).
They need to just ignore the hopelessly-late DLC and channel every bit of resources they have into fixing everything that's wrong first. I can't help but feel all the more strongly about it since the next DLC isn't exciting to myself, or anyone I know, with exception for the new interface. And the very fact the the most exciting thing about a DLC is a fix for something that already exists is itself sad and telling.

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I agree for the most part Lilith, but people HAVE asked for instanced Arkfalls more akin to the show. As for grenades, it's true nobody asked, but we should have had a limited grenade pool from the start, like we do ammo. Either that or infinite ammo to go with the infinite grenades. ala Mass Effect 1. It's the perceived new grenade mechanics that seem to be the biggest isssue, but we won't know for sure until it happens. As for the new interface, if you are talking about the new/improved chat, don't hold your breath. The CURRENT chat interface was introduced with Dlc 1 as a fix to the originnal crappy chat, and it just changed it from somewhat broken to completely useless to most. Either the third time will be the charm, or it will DESTROY what little is left of usability in chat, wich btw is currently only usable for the Defiance Solicitors, buyers, and salers.

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Originally Posted by Atticus Batman

The CURRENT chat interface was introduced with Dlc 1 as a fix to the originnal crappy chat, and it just changed it from somewhat broken to completely useless to most. Either the third time will be the charm, or it will DESTROY what little is left of usability in chat, wich btw is currently only usable for the Defiance Solicitors, buyers, and salers.

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I use the chat because my Internet stinks making whatever I say in the mic all staticky. I do agree it needs a re-do.

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Originally Posted by Dandrielas

I use the chat because my Internet stinks making whatever I say in the mic all staticky. I do agree it needs a re-do.

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Good point. I forgot some people are FORCED into gamechat because of crap internet, or some people having personal issues with whatever other chat system they have available to them. But you do HAVE TO admit chat version 2.0 sucks WORSE than chat 1.0, the only redeeming part of the current interface is that you CAN use your emotes to call for help while you are bleeding out, witch you couldn't do with 1.0. Hopefully 3.0 let's us keep the ability to use our call for help while we are down, but fixes ALL that is bad about it.

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Originally Posted by Atticus Batman

Good point. I forgot some people are FORCED into gamechat because of crap internet, or some people having personal issues with whatever other chat system they have available to them. But you do HAVE TO admit chat version 2.0 sucks WORSE than chat 1.0, the only redeeming part of the current interface is that you CAN use your emotes to call for help while you are bleeding out, witch you couldn't do with 1.0. Hopefully 3.0 let's us keep the ability to use our call for help while we are down, but fixes ALL that is bad about it.

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I didn't use much of 1.0 because at that time the place I was staying had good Internet.(Long story) The current version is meh to me though. I preferred emotes when it was on the other side with the scroll down menu over what it is now. I just hope they don't screw up 3.0 as well.

I've seen the hexagonal grid interiors. They're very...guh. I certainly hope there's more than that, because the new arkfall and grenade changes still feel like a serious misapplication of developer hours.

This game has serious issues. Given the shooter nature of it, it baffles me that the useless boosts and mismatched synergy sets *still* haven't been addressed. Introducing new ark falls when the existing ones remain frequently broken is frustrating as well.

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Originally Posted by Lillith Valerian

I've seen the hexagonal grid interiors. They're very...guh. I certainly hope there's more than that, because the new arkfall and grenade changes still feel like a serious misapplication of developer hours.

This game has serious issues. Given the shooter nature of it, it baffles me that the useless boosts and mismatched synergy sets *still* haven't been addressed. Introducing new ark falls when the existing ones remain frequently broken is frustrating as well.

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What new Ark falls are they adding? The Dark Matter ones are still buggy as hell.

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Originally Posted by Dandrielas

What new Ark falls are they adding? The Dark Matter ones are still buggy as hell.

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You'll be able to call down arkfalls and enter them with a group. They are going to be instanced Arkfalls, summoned by spikes, you fight until you can enter it, then you fight your way through and there are loot chests you open after the boss battle.

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Originally Posted by Atticus Batman

You'll be able to call down arkfalls and enter them with a group. They are going to be instanced Arkfalls, summoned by spikes, you fight until you can enter it, then you fight your way through and there are loot chests you open after the boss battle.

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So it is just a Ark fall co-op then.

I'm so glad that this thread didn't degenerate into arguing and bickering and I'd like to thank the moderators too for not locking the thread.

Thanks to everyone so far for your comments.

Like I said, this thread isn't meant as a dig at Trion but I do feel that we need more communication from them regarding the fixes and updates. Some of us have stuck by this game since the beginning and the lack of information is just making people feel ignored at the moment, I feel.

Like a lot of the people who have posted on this thread so far, I would much rather the game be fixed than anything else. I'm happy to wait for DLC but please, please concentrate on fixing this truly enjoyable game before more people begin to leave and please give us more information/patch notes, etc...

Thanks again to everyone for your comments, so far!!!

Far as I know, Defiance never had people get their entire character and all their scrip and Salvage erased... Thats why GTA Online is getting the Stimulous Package... People, in the 1st week, lost a $400,000 home, $500,000 in GTA cash (which they may have paid money for), and lost their character completely...

Thats why they get a $500,000 give back... doesnt seem so great now does it?

And anyways Defiance did give the people their $485k back, even those that didnt buy the Blade. So, they both solved a problem, bout the only thing to compare them on.


...to appease the masses... Fix Rewards. I do believe Ark and Siege rewards are shafting us, we are supposed to get 3 right? I am only getting 2... And T4 boxes still suck.

I am on theXbox 360 and I am DIEING to get a Purple VBI PSR-7 with the Assassin Synergy AND the Syphon element for its ranged attack.

I really really REALLY want this gun and it is driving me nuts I can't find it at a vendor, and I can't get anyone to sell me a gun 100% like I described a guess because they don't have it OR it is a gun that they themselves don't want to sell.

Not bothered abount compensations. I just want them to fix the bugs, get dlc 2-5 out, fix the bugs that come with the dlc 2-5 and see this game succeed and become the game it should be.

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Originally Posted by Punisher Illinois Blue

I am on theXbox 360 and I am DIEING to get a Purple VBI PSR-7 with the Assassin Synergy AND the Syphon element for its ranged attack.

I really really REALLY want this gun and it is driving me nuts I can't find it at a vendor, and I can't get anyone to sell me a gun 100% like I described a guess because they don't have it OR it is a gun that they themselves don't want to sell.

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I have that one with all the stats you need. Unfortunately, I am on Ps3.

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Originally Posted by Dandrielas

I have that one with all the stats you need. Unfortunately, I am on Ps3.

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You just said that to make me depressed... =[

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Originally Posted by Punisher Illinois Blue

You just said that to make me depressed... =[

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I wish I could give it too you. Personally, I hate the thing. I prefer Particle Repeater.

@chevota to set your facts right rockstar have given people their deleted stuff back and also they do did put a sign on the loading screen quite clearly saying dont make a new character if you see a empity space.So its not really rockstars fault if people cannot read or follow simple insructions so to answer your question giving everyone half a million is infact very good of them and the game is perfectly stable now with no issues and thats only after 2 weeks shows what can be done my friend,Lastly when defending this game and saying how great it is you may not want to end you post moaning about fixes :)

FFS, just make all the enemies ghosts, Force everyone to use BMGs and rename it Ghost Busters Online: Ghostocalypse.

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Originally Posted by sly wolf

@chevota to set your facts right rockstar have given people their deleted stuff back and also they do did put a sign on the loading screen quite clearly saying dont make a new character if you see a empity space.So its not really rockstars fault if people cannot read or follow simple insructions so to answer your question giving everyone half a million is infact very good of them and the game is perfectly stable now with no issues and thats only after 2 weeks shows what can be done my friend,Lastly when defending this game and saying how great it is you may not want to end you post moaning about fixes :)

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Thank you for this wolf...I really couldn't be bothered to answer someone who hasn't done the research and was looking to drag things into the gutter.

So, yeah...Thanks again!!!