Well, I for one really enjoy this game....

Long time lurker, first time poster here. Greetings all...

I just felt it had to be said. And I know that others have said it before me, but the positivity just gets lost in all the negativity. Sure, the game could be improved - as can any game, but it's fun. Personally it's the large map (for a third person shooter) combined with PvE, dynamic events and some level of co-op that I find enjoyable. Sound/music is good and graphics are decent.

Maybe I'm getting old, but I'm constantly amazed and disappointed at the overwhelmingly negative tone of most game forums, and the constant whining, complaining and general disappointment expressed by gamers towards developers. Personally, if I enjoy a game, I play it. If I don't, I stop playing. Why rant on a forum?

I mean - these guys announce an upcoming DLC in December, and the general response is: too little too late, artwork looks like a copy/paste job from Star Wars, not excited etc. etc. The sense of entitlement is astounding. To the handful of folks who expressed enthusiasm - thank you. That was decent of you. I too look forward to what the DLC may bring.

there are more of us that enjoy the game than the haters would have you believe. silly game forums are notorious for their venom. so right on Katkon, go kill some red dots and have some fun yo....

ur both trippin. you have no idea how many people quit this game. that statement alone shows how new u are. i have been through all the patches and from when i started to now well.......its a ghost town game..all the competitive players are gone. the trade is dead compared to what it was. i know you cant understand how far its fallen cuz you have not been here from the start. i check in now n then to see if they actually did something right. retired players such as me put our time in and want to enjoy it not regrind our gear. trion is ran by morons that basically scammed their origional community. i could go on and on about their F ups. if you were here you know n if not well you know no different

Preach it! Seriously though, it's a forum, it's where everyone goes to complain about the games they will quit playing/won't play/aren't playing any more.

There are plenty of people here who do still enjoy it, they're just usually playing instead of posting. And you don't have to be new to still enjoy the game. I've been here since beta, I have a Daredevil option in my selectable titles and I still enjoy this game.

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Originally Posted by SickoSlayer

ur both trippin. you have no idea how many people quit this game. that statement alone shows how new u are. i have been through all the patches and from when i started to now well.......its a ghost town game..all the competitive players are gone. the trade is dead compared to what it was. i know you cant understand how far its fallen cuz you have not been here from the start. i check in now n then to see if they actually did something right. retired players such as me put our time in and want to enjoy it not regrind our gear. trion is ran by morons that basically scammed their origional community. i could go on and on about their F ups. if you were here you know n if not well you know no different

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How is it that they are both "trippin" simply because they admit to enjoying the game? It's like saying people who like strawberry ice cream are crazy, or prefer cake over pie, they must insane.

Clearly you are unhappy with the game, and only proved the point the O.P. was trying to make. Take his advise and go do something else, don't waste your time on something you do not enjoy any longer.

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Originally Posted by Magickats242

How is it that they are both "trippin" simply because they admit to enjoying the game? It's like saying people who like strawberry ice cream are crazy, or prefer cake over pie, they must insane.

Clearly you are unhappy with the game, and only proved the point the O.P. was trying to make. Take his advise and go do something else, don't waste your time on something you do not enjoy any longer.

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you're a tad bit dense are'nt you?

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Originally Posted by Katkon

I mean - these guys announce an upcoming DLC in December, and the general response is: too little too late, artwork looks like a copy/paste job from Star Wars, not excited etc. etc.

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I've been accused of being a sycophant when I write positive posts, and negative poison when I make complaints.

I think I'll just ignore both sides, and continue to be a human being. Having great fun sometimes, getting profoundly irritated other times, and posting when I feel both.

ITT we learn that instead of addressing issues, we should just walk away from them so that companies continue to make the same mistakes. So instead of actually telling the developers where they went wrong (which by the way they've openly admitted to) it's much better to just stop playing, that way the already dwindling player base is even less. Your white knighting is more detrimental than any negative feedback will ever be.

FYI, game forums are meant to be a bridge between developers and players. If you don't complain about your gripes, the developers will continue down the same path and continue to deliver sub par to mediocre games. You may be content with such things but some people actually aspire for better.

Here's the thing, if people didn't care about this game, they would do exactly what you're claiming they should do and that's just walk away. You know what that will accomplish? absolutely nothing. In fact it will actually hurt the company because they'll lose their player base and they won't know what's wrong. Think about these things the next time you decide to post a bait thread like this calling people whiners.

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

ITT we learn that instead of addressing issues, we should just walk away from them so that companies continue to make the same mistakes. So instead of actually telling the developers where they went wrong (which by the way they've openly admitted to) it's much better to just stop playing, that way the already dwindling player base is even less. Your white knighting is more detrimental than any negative feedback will ever be.

FYI, game forums are meant to be a bridge between developers and players. If you don't complain about your gripes, the developers will continue down the same path and continue to deliver sub par to mediocre games. You may be content with such things but some people actually aspire for better.

Here's the thing, if people didn't care about this game, they would do exactly what you're claiming they should do and that's just walk away. You know what that will accomplish? absolutely nothing. In fact it will actually hurt the company because they'll lose their player base and they won't know what's wrong. Think about these things the next time you decide to post a bait thread like this calling people whiners.

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What if I understand the issues, but I don't complain because I stopped caring anymore? That is where I am at right now. I have reached a point where I play the game, but the issues are now essentially numb to me.

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

ITT we learn that instead of addressing issues, we should just walk away from them so that companies continue to make the same mistakes. So instead of actually telling the developers where they went wrong (which by the way they've openly admitted to) it's much better to just stop playing, that way the already dwindling player base is even less. Your white knighting is more detrimental than any negative feedback will ever be.

FYI, game forums are meant to be a bridge between developers and players. If you don't complain about your gripes, the developers will continue down the same path and continue to deliver sub par to mediocre games. You may be content with such things but some people actually aspire for better.

Here's the thing, if people didn't care about this game, they would do exactly what you're claiming they should do and that's just walk away. You know what that will accomplish? absolutely nothing. In fact it will actually hurt the company because they'll lose their player base and they won't know what's wrong. Think about these things the next time you decide to post a bait thread like this calling people whiners.

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wow someone with a brain......refreshing

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Originally Posted by Dandrielas

What if I understand the issues, but I don't complain because I stopped caring anymore? That is where I am at right now. I have reached a point where I play the game, but the issues are now essentially numb to me.

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It seems a lot of players have either quit or gravitated towards this mentality and that is very telling of the state of things. Developers should be very scared of players with this numb attitude towards the game because that means they won't be players much longer and there isn't a voice of reason to steer them in the right direction. -

Myself as an example, I'm almost at that numb point but when they brought in the new mod hoards I was kind of excited and then the mention of bringing back plague sieges was cool. But then I learn that the mod hoards are temporary content and I am just astonished that they would add a new tier and make it temporary. It screams of "We're just doing this because we want people to spend money on bits"

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

It seems a lot of players have either quit or gravitated towards this mentality and that is very telling of the state of things. Developers should be very scared of players with this numb attitude towards the game because that means they won't be players much longer and there isn't a voice of reason to steer them in the right direction. -

Myself as an example, I'm almost at that numb point but when they brought in the new mod hoards I was kind of excited and then the mention of bringing back plague sieges was cool. But then I learn that the mod hoards are temporary content and I am just astonished that they would add a new tier and make it temporary. It screams of "We're just doing this because we want people to spend money on bits"

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I know. I have already kinda decided which game I want to go to next once I pay some stuff off. I am tired of the hamster wheel of rng. The mod hoards kinda pushed me over the edge because my luck is very bad. I see no point to it.

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Originally Posted by lokiscamaro

there are more of us that enjoy the game than the haters would have you believe. silly game forums are notorious for their venom. so right on Katkon, go kill some red dots and have some fun yo....

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I can be venomous about bugs, faults and issues - and still love the game.

And I love the game.

Yes, the forums drip with venom. Constructive criticism is one thing, and I respect those that provide with bug reports and good ideas, but there's so much trolling and bashing Trion it's a wonder the devs still bother reading the forums.

I'm a daredevil so I'm not by any mean a new player, and I enjoyed the game then, and I still do now. Yes, the game lost players and the updates are slow to my taste, but there's still a decent playerbase (I've just done a bathhouse Volge at nearly 1 AM on a week day and the place was pretty packed). Also, all games lose a portion of their playerbase after the "honeymoon" period, once people realize a given game wasn't exactly their style/the hype has worn off.

So I'll keep on playing and enjoying the game, thank you :)

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

ITT we learn that instead of addressing issues, we should just walk away from them so that companies continue to make the same mistakes. So instead of actually telling the developers where they went wrong (which by the way they've openly admitted to) it's much better to just stop playing, that way the already dwindling player base is even less. Your white knighting is more detrimental than any negative feedback will ever be.

FYI, game forums are meant to be a bridge between developers and players. If you don't complain about your gripes, the developers will continue down the same path and continue to deliver sub par to mediocre games. You may be content with such things but some people actually aspire for better.

Here's the thing, if people didn't care about this game, they would do exactly what you're claiming they should do and that's just walk away. You know what that will accomplish? absolutely nothing. In fact it will actually hurt the company because they'll lose their player base and they won't know what's wrong. Think about these things the next time you decide to post a bait thread like this calling people whiners.

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When asked to give advice on being successful Elon Musk said two things: use "physics thinking" and "really pay attention to negative feedback, solicit it."

That said, there's a difference between constructive criticism and mindless complaining. It's an important distinction, both exist on these forums, and the ones who can recognize the difference, then use it to direct their concerns, with brevity, are the ones who will effect change. Just polluting an environment with bullying, in the form of ad hominem attacks, will not serve the purpose that you have discussed here; and that, I believe, is the concern. Plus, positive feedback is not bad, and people should not be afraid, from ridicule, to give it.

Don't be hating on Cake or Pie. But what the heck, who eats the strawberry ice cream anyways? :p

I really enjoy this game, even though I suck at it... I bet it was better at one point, But Ya. I've been through games dying (DoMO) and been through games that I just don't enjoy and quit playing (APB:R). wait....

I don't have a point to this post. But I'm gonna play some more of the game (Defiance) now.

Bu-bye.
Love Tibbs~
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Also O.P.'er Katkon, If you even care you read what all this jibber is, If you play on the compooter, you should friend request me.
Search, JukkaTibbs.
Okay. Happy Gaming.

I really like the game, the show, and the world in general. If I didn't, I wouldn't have gone way out of my way and comfort level to sort of informally "advertise" it all to some of the groups and communities I'm in.

Still, I am afraid that I'm going to lose interest, or not find what I'm hoping for. Mainly, I've been posting in the Story/Lore forum about RP and things, and it just hasn't been successful. It may be because that forum is grouped under Gameplay Discussion, I don't know. Could even be that this game just doesn't attract the types of people that are interested in that stuff, or I just waited too long to get into it.

Either way the game is really good, and I think it has a lot of potential.

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Originally Posted by Bakku

I really like the game, the show, and the world in general. If I didn't, I wouldn't have gone way out of my way and comfort level to sort of informally "advertise" it all to some of the groups and communities I'm in.

Still, I am afraid that I'm going to lose interest, or not find what I'm hoping for. Mainly, I've been posting in the Story/Lore forum about RP and things, and it just hasn't been successful. It may be because that forum is grouped under Gameplay Discussion, I don't know. Could even be that this game just doesn't attract the types of people that are interested in that stuff, or I just waited too long to get into it.

Either way the game is really good, and I think it has a lot of potential.

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DingDingDing
You just broke the code.

All of us with bad manners?
A lot of us started out just like you.

We gave bug reports.
We gave feedback.
We gave suggestions.
We got ignored.
We got frustrated.
We got 'soon', till it became a vulgar word.
We saw broken stuff stay broken.
We saw some stuff get fixed, and then broken again with the next patch.

And we got tired of seeing a game we loved, that had a lot of potential look like it was being torpedoed by the only people who could make it a success.

As you are now, once were we.
If you have the tenacity to hang in:
As we are now, you might be.

It's just a matter of time, and you haven't put yours in, yet.
No clue what platform you play on, but if it's PC, type /played into the text line.

Get back to me when the number is higher than, oh... 60 days.

(Mine is).

That number doesn't give me credibility.
It's not my E-Peen.
It doesn't make me special in any way.
It's just an indication of how much time I've spent getting this perspective.

Forum?

What's with the negativity on this forum ?
I really don't care, but what I care is that when I started to play this game there were plenty of ppl on the server. Now, it's hard to find ppl for a Volge siege. There was hundred ppl in my clan and almost 20 ever online, now if there is one I'm happy. There was PvP on every map, now if I can start on only one map I'm lucky...

That is real negativity.

Adding on to Blondin, PC NA has seemed to level out. Depending on time of day, numbers are fairly consistent. Last time I played before my card blew, it was the standard Bathhouse has 6-10, Mutant Dis had 10-15, Quarry, Kinship and the Mine had 20 or show show up. Thats been the pattern for over two weeks now. DM arkfalls attract the most since all you need do is spam BMG heals to get 6 keys and an oj chance.

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Originally Posted by Dandrielas

I know. I have already kinda decided which game I want to go to next once I pay some stuff off. I am tired of the hamster wheel of rng. The mod hoards kinda pushed me over the edge because my luck is very bad. I see no point to it.

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Yeah, just waiting for my Landmark beta invite....

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Originally Posted by SickoSlayer

you're a tad bit dense are'nt you?

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Nope, not dense at all, there is a difference between whining because you didn't get your candy, and putting out constructive criticism. Your post however is neither of those things, you just wanted to berate some one for stating their opinion on the game. I just wanted to point out that people are entitled to like what ever they want, and to insult someone just because you don't like how the game has turned out, is not very mature.

21 responses so far and only one a55monkey, gosh maybe the defiance IS dying......

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Originally Posted by lokiscamaro

21 responses so far and only one a55monkey, gosh maybe the defiance IS dying......

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Yeah, because posts in a forum thread are such a clear indicator to a specific game's overall player population. :rolleyes:

I loved (still love) this game...but i`m playing something else for a long time now. In the last 2 months i logged in 2 times and only to see how things were.
The game is a void.
Some players, i don`t know... last time i played was last week, i arrived at a siege in mutant district that was already at stage 7, it ended in stage 8...i placed in 4th position. Played 2 minor arkfalls...#1. Played a major arkfall, did 1 cristal and the big boss...#1.
I know that it`s a bit offtopic all what i`m saying, but people still don`t play the objectives.
Thow i love the game, it bores me at the momment.

I'm still having fun with this game.

I enjoy the gun fights with mutants, 99ers, and DM. VOT Surge bolter in hand and FRC Heavy scatter gun strapped on my back.

DM monitors and 3 strikes your out with a fully charged Bolter crit, weapon swap, BOOM both barrels of the Scatter, OVERCHARGE, BOOOOOM another blast of double slug death straight from the devils nose.

New player here, but wanted to add in I enjoy the game a lot myself. Been having a lot of fun. Some things are repetitive but the game is new and I am sure they will add in more content. Also wanted to add to the people saying the game is a wasteland... I do not know what platform your playing on but the pc NA shard has a ton of people playing at all hours. If I can go to any siege or arkfall at 3-4 in the morning on a weeknight and STILL see my mini map filled with purple dots then I am sorry this game is definitely not a wasteland. Never have a hard time finding coop games or anything else at any time in the day or night.

Also do not need to hear how my opinion will change blah blah I am a VERY long time veteran of online mmorpg and mmo games. Been online and playing these types games since 92-93. I have seen it all, heard it all about these games and these types of games. Every forum I have ever encountered is filled with crybabies about how the game did not turn out the way they want it to or want it to be. Well if you want a game to be the way you want it to then code one. Then it will be everything you want it to be. otherwise just do what any sane person should do, just go play another game if your so unhappy. It really is that simple.

As one person said there is a difference between constructive criticism and straight crybaby whining.

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Originally Posted by lokiscamaro

21 responses so far and only one a55monkey, gosh maybe the defiance IS dying......

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Or MAYBE this is too stupid to even bother comment about... oh wait

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Originally Posted by Katkon

Long time lurker, first time poster here. Greetings all...

I just felt it had to be said. And I know that others have said it before me, but the positivity just gets lost in all the negativity. Sure, the game could be improved - as can any game, but it's fun. Personally it's the large map (for a third person shooter) combined with PvE, dynamic events and some level of co-op that I find enjoyable. Sound/music is good and graphics are decent.

Maybe I'm getting old, but I'm constantly amazed and disappointed at the overwhelmingly negative tone of most game forums, and the constant whining, complaining and general disappointment expressed by gamers towards developers. Personally, if I enjoy a game, I play it. If I don't, I stop playing. Why rant on a forum?

I mean - these guys announce an upcoming DLC in December, and the general response is: too little too late, artwork looks like a copy/paste job from Star Wars, not excited etc. etc. The sense of entitlement is astounding. To the handful of folks who expressed enthusiasm - thank you. That was decent of you. I too look forward to what the DLC may bring.

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Well said - completely agree; you are not the only person who enjoys playing this game (been playing every day since purchased July 21). I responded in a prior thread when a new player had some questions about the game & a couple people told the player to immediately return the game for refund. I suggested that maybe the new player should play the game for a few days & form their own opinion. Negative criticism is one thing if an alternative/solution is offered; but some people just enjoy spewing venom:mad:

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Originally Posted by SickoSlayer

you're a tad bit dense are'nt you?

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I think magickats242 was simply making an analogy; and that is your best response? maybe use that massive brain of yours to come up with something slightly more intelligent to say - maybe more constructive, less insulting

Appreciate the thoughts guys - and am glad to see many of you are enthusiastic about the game. I can't comment on the number of players now vs launch, but there are plenty of people hanging out on the PC NA server as far as I can tell. Have fun!

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Originally Posted by Katkon

Long time lurker, first time poster here. Greetings all...

I just felt it had to be said. And I know that others have said it before me, but the positivity just gets lost in all the negativity. Sure, the game could be improved - as can any game, but it's fun. Personally it's the large map (for a third person shooter) combined with PvE, dynamic events and some level of co-op that I find enjoyable. Sound/music is good and graphics are decent.

Maybe I'm getting old, but I'm constantly amazed and disappointed at the overwhelmingly negative tone of most game forums, and the constant whining, complaining and general disappointment expressed by gamers towards developers. Personally, if I enjoy a game, I play it. If I don't, I stop playing. Why rant on a forum?

I mean - these guys announce an upcoming DLC in December, and the general response is: too little too late, artwork looks like a copy/paste job from Star Wars, not excited etc. etc. The sense of entitlement is astounding. To the handful of folks who expressed enthusiasm - thank you. That was decent of you. I too look forward to what the DLC may bring.

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Well said, if your not enjoying something stop doing it. I love the game even with everyone pointing out the faults. Not to be nasty, but turn it off, if it's so bad, don't play it, and if your not willing to do that please shut up moaning and let us enjoy the bloody game. Thank you

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Originally Posted by karlj775

Well said, if your not enjoying something stop doing it. I love the game even with everyone pointing out the faults. Not to be nasty, but turn it off, if it's so bad, don't play it, and if your not willing to do that please shut up moaning and let us enjoy the bloody game. Thank you

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Just as an aside, I fail to see what anything said here by people communicating issues that many other people agree are issues and have been trying to get sorted out since inception has to do with your enjoyment of the game.
One of the reasons YOU have a playable game NOW is because malcontents like US whined enough to make the devs realize there were issues and they needed to make the game stable enough that you could log on NOW.... :)

If you're enjoying it so much, what are you doing here, reading posts that are discussing issues?
As I said in an earlier thread, get back to us with glee and mirth in 6 months... :)

:)

I'm not sayin'...

I'm just sayin'....

And I say it with respect and a tone of brotherhood to a fellow player that I hope IS still playing and enjoying the game 6 months from now.

I've played the game since its release in April and things have changed! I don't miss the crazy crowd around arkfalls who couldn't get out of their vehicles to shoot but would rather spin around hitting things like fools. I don't miss all the ***** ups who would stand around depots, kill themselves then have a friend revive them. There are no doubt fewer players now than at the outset but that's a positive - as I see it - all the cheaters were the first to ditch the game! Those who have stayed on grinding or whatever are the true players!!!

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Originally Posted by Katkon

Long time lurker, first time poster here. Greetings all...

I just felt it had to be said. And I know that others have said it before me, but the positivity just gets lost in all the negativity. Sure, the game could be improved - as can any game, but it's fun. Personally it's the large map (for a third person shooter) combined with PvE, dynamic events and some level of co-op that I find enjoyable. Sound/music is good and graphics are decent.

Maybe I'm getting old, but I'm constantly amazed and disappointed at the overwhelmingly negative tone of most game forums, and the constant whining, complaining and general disappointment expressed by gamers towards developers. Personally, if I enjoy a game, I play it. If I don't, I stop playing. Why rant on a forum?

I mean - these guys announce an upcoming DLC in December, and the general response is: too little too late, artwork looks like a copy/paste job from Star Wars, not excited etc. etc. The sense of entitlement is astounding. To the handful of folks who expressed enthusiasm - thank you. That was decent of you. I too look forward to what the DLC may bring.

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I enjoy the game too, but these posts about complaining about complainers are just useless and stupid. If you enjoy the game then just say it and move on. No need to rant about people that complain, they don't effect how you enjoy the game. Also, most (not all) of their complaints are valid problems that this game has. So, if you can't handle this form of communication that allows both negative and positive feedback to be relayed to the developers from the community then just leave and go back to enjoying the game.

I'd like to add that I enjoy the game more now that the infected sieges are back. There's something to be said about mass zombie destruction.