Extra Life Dealer BUG (must fix)

The extra life dealer was buying shields he sold for 4k for 5k wich simple math made you a 1k profit. Im posting this in dif areas with the hopes that devs can save the game from what could be a huge blow. The only way I could think to fix it is to roll the servers back if thats even possible.

Before you guys ask yes i did exploit it for about a min then decided it was going to hurt the game over all so i quit. I felt like Trion owed me for all the time i spent collecting my old weapons that they made obsolete putting mod slots on them for millions. In the end this kind of thing only hurts the game im flat broke now after i tried to regear myself to new standards.

From a big fan who has stuck with you guys through it you have to figure out a way to fix this one.

I'm sure they'll fix him in time for the next Extra Life event. But I'll definitely miss being able to dump all my tight guidance IV mods on him for 35k a pop. But relax, it's not like scrip really matters in this game. Most of us are probably sitting on more than 500k at any given time even before this happened. Vast majority of people in this game either barter items for other items or simply don't participate in the player market.

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Originally Posted by Waren

The extra life dealer was buying shields he sold for 4k for 5k wich simple math made you a 1k profit. Im posting this in dif areas with the hopes that devs can save the game from what could be a huge blow. The only way I could think to fix it is to roll the servers back if thats even possible.

Before you guys ask yes i did exploit it for about a min then decided it was going to hurt the game over all so i quit. I felt like Trion owed me for all the time i spent collecting my old weapons that they made obsolete putting mod slots on them for millions. In the end this kind of thing only hurts the game im flat broke now after i tried to regear myself to new standards.

From a big fan who has stuck with you guys through it you have to figure out a way to fix this one.

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Ever heard of this phrase before? shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted

Trying to stop something bad happening when it has already happened and the situation cannot be changed

They were aware but seeing as the event has now finished why not just look at it as if Extra Life were giving something back for all the giving we gave.

And I doubt its going to effect anything because there is no market economy in the game to begin with.

LOL, found this out this morning at about 4AM and exploited the heck out of it, now if only there were an actual benefit to that...

Seriously this is no big deal, they gave out a free half million scrip to tons of players for no reason just a month ago. This game's economy is non-existent now.

If i had found out about it before i would have reported it also wasnt sure if anyone had so i did what i thought was right.

Yea this is no big deal.... To those who exploited it. For me, I see it as missing out on an opportunity to get something back for my pre-patched items. This is something that should remain available at least for pre-patched items. Missing out on things like this, couple with the fact that the Ego 5k sniper rifle having less damage and fire nano compared to the siphon nano one, just diminishes what little motivation veteran players have to keep on going.

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Originally Posted by chilipino

Yea this is no big deal.... To those who exploited it. For me, I see it as missing out on an opportunity to get something back for my pre-patched items. This is something that should remain available at least for pre-patched items. Missing out on things like this, couple with the fact that the Ego 5k sniper rifle having less damage and fire nano compared to the siphon nano one, just diminishes what little motivation veteran players have to keep on going.

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What he said...

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Originally Posted by Holy Bahamut3

What he said...

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It's not even that big of a glitch, sold purple mods for 35K and old purples for 5K+ - other than that the time it takes to truly "farm" the shield +1000 scrip bit of this was limited by the time the vendor was actually there, which was very very short - he disappeared on me right after I bought a Crapyon.

So really the best part was 35K for crap purple RL mods and 5K for your old purples.

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Originally Posted by Overtkill21

It's not even that big of a glitch, sold purple mods for 35K and old purples for 5K+ - other than that the time it takes to truly "farm" the shield +1000 scrip bit of this was limited by the time the vendor was actually there, which was very very short - he disappeared on me right after I bought a Crapyon.

So really the best part was 35K for crap purple RL mods and 5K for your old purples.

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How long does it take for the average person to get 35K playing normally? (I'm not talking about the mindless infinite spawn spots). I can tell you it takes me about a few hours if I'm not going all hard core ark hopping. Multiply a few hours by the number of tier 4 mods I don't want and could have sold (it's over 100 by a fair margin) and that's a few hundred hours worth of scrip for me right there. This isn't accounting for 50+ pre-patch oranges that could have sold for 13K each and 100+ tier 3 mods that could have sold for 10K each. And I could have spent that scrip to buy more tier 4 mods because I'm scrip-limited (I have millions of salvage). Fellow clan mates have made single-digit millions in scrip because of this. It may not have been a big glitch for YOU (out of curiousity, how much scrip did you make?) but for ME it's a "big glitch" because of the time it could have saved me. And it's enough to take what little wind out of the tattered sails I have for this game.

And then there's the inflation of prices for high-end gear that can come of this (it's what happens when only a small % of the population get access to a relatively large windfall of income). But that's another story yet to unfold...

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Originally Posted by chilipino

How long does it take for the average person to get 35K playing normally? (I'm not talking about the mindless infinite spawn spots). I can tell you it takes me about a few hours if I'm not going all hard core ark hopping. Multiply a few hours by the number of tier 4 mods I don't want and could have sold (it's over 100 by a fair margin) and that's a few hundred hours worth of scrip for me right there. This isn't accounting for 50+ pre-patch oranges that could have sold for 13K each and 100+ tier 3 mods that could have sold for 10K each. And I could have spent that scrip to buy more tier 4 mods because I'm scrip-limited (I have millions of salvage). Fellow clan mates have made single-digit millions in scrip because of this. It may not have been a big glitch for YOU (out of curiousity, how much scrip did you make?) but for ME it's a "big glitch" because of the time it could have saved me. And it's enough to take what little wind out of the tattered sails I have for this game.

And then there's the inflation of prices for high-end gear that can come of this (it's what happens when only a small % of the population get access to a relatively large windfall of income). But that's another story yet to unfold...

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I think you should ask how long did it take to grind the 75 keys to buy the Epic Mod Horde and get 4 Rocket Launcher mods. No?

You can sell T3's for 10K right now; ever think of selling them to other players?

As for your 50+ pre-patch oranges, as Trion says, do with them what you feel. I'm sure if you advertised them for 15K a piece you'd get some takers.

Also, how do we even know it was a glitch? Perhaps they did value purple mods at 35K, considering each epic mod costs nearly 20 keys and 1250 scrip. Maybe they are also increasing the scrip paid for vendoring weapons. (Perhaps this was a vendor test and those values will start showing up at other vendors "soon", as Trion is so fond of saying.)

One more thing, I'll tell you I didn't come close to making a half million scrip like was given to random players for never buying an orange charge blade...so just look back a couple months and you can see exactly what happened when a small group of players got a large amount of scrip.

I don't think it was a glitch, it was probably just old pre-nerf script that wasn't updated with new vendor prices.

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Originally Posted by TriGlav 2000

I don't think it was a glitch, it was probably just old pre-nerf script that wasn't updated with new vendor prices.

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Neither do I - if you recall, when they were talking about antiquing weapons - months ago, they said something about offering 15K or so for old unwanted oranges - this seems to very much fall in line with that.

Just selling my trash items to that vendor was netting me 25k to 50k per trip.

I was at 147k yesterday morning... tonight i have 3.5 mil

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Originally Posted by Overtkill21

I think you should ask how long did it take to grind the 75 keys to buy the Epic Mod Horde and get 4 Rocket Launcher mods. No?

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If the Epic Mod Hoard box goes away after this weekend (like they said it would), then no. Regardless, my point was about getting scrip without actually farming for scrip, not getting keys to buy lockboxes for items to sell to a vendor (which isn't normal play style outside of the Epic Mod Hoard + Extra Life Vendor).

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Originally Posted by Overtkill21

You can sell T3's for 10K right now; ever think of selling them to other players?

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This has nothing to do with the fact that I could have sold those mods to the limited-time Extra Life Vendor. I don't get why people get on this "but you could have been doing this all along" argument when it's besides the original point.

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Originally Posted by Overtkill21

As for your 50+ pre-patch oranges, as Trion says, do with them what you feel. I'm sure if you advertised them for 15K a piece you'd get some takers.

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See above. And, no, because most of mine are EGO 5000. Care to guess how many EGO 5000 players will pay 15K for a pre-patch orange with crap rolls?

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Originally Posted by Overtkill21

Also, how do we even know it was a glitch? Perhaps they did value purple mods at 35K, considering each epic mod costs nearly 20 keys and 1250 scrip. Maybe they are also increasing the scrip paid for vendoring weapons. (Perhaps this was a vendor test and those values will start showing up at other vendors "soon", as Trion is so fond of saying.)

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Who cares what we call it? It was a limited-time opportunity that allowed a small population of players access to a potentially large amount of scrip. What it will be in the future is anyone's guess and, quite frankly, irrelevant to the original discussion.

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Originally Posted by Overtkill21

One more thing, I'll tell you I didn't come close to making a half million scrip like was given to random players for never buying an orange charge blade...so just look back a couple months and you can see exactly what happened when a small group of players got a large amount of scrip.

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That orange charge blade refund was also a mistake on Trion's part for those who didn't deserve it. Past mistake doesn't justify future ones. Also, I'm not active in trading outside my clan so I don't know what happened. Regardless, the existence or non-existence of inflation in the trade economy has nothing to do with whether or not this "glitch" is a "big deal". It's going to be a big deal for some (like me) and not for others (like you).

Trion Knows what it is doing and it is one way of Thanking those that take the game seriously .

Like the traveling mobile vendor with the zero cost shield White..... The element of surprise for those who are

True Ark Hunters ..(and paying Attention {balm of Trion LOVE...}..well if you do not pick money up that rains

from heaven ....Then you are not much of a

Ark Hunter....... Carpe Diem .....

PanHead Jim

Broken or what ever....
This event was not Trions to schedule, they could not postpone it, or stop in the middle of the event. I'm sure they were aware of what was going on, there was just nothing they could do about it, the issue was not game breaking so they probably just let it roll for good and bad.

@ chilipino - LOL - it was limited Time Event as you said - so I don't think anything more need be said, you're sore you missed it I get it...sorry?

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Originally Posted by Overtkill21

@ chilipino - LOL - it was limited Time Event as you said - so I don't think anything more need be said, you're sore you missed it I get it...sorry?

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Patronize much?

It's not so much these last two incidents (scrip windfall with extra life vendor + worse stats on extra life sniper rifle for EGO 5k) in isolation than the actual buildup of all of the mistakes since day one. While new players experience the game with rose-colored glasses (relatively), this kind of stuff just drives off veterans.

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Originally Posted by chilipino

How long does it take for the average person to get 35K playing normally? (I'm not talking about the mindless infinite spawn spots). I can tell you it takes me about a few hours if I'm not going all hard core ark hopping. Multiply a few hours by the number of tier 4 mods I don't want and could have sold (it's over 100 by a fair margin) and that's a few hundred hours worth of scrip for me right there. This isn't accounting for 50+ pre-patch oranges that could have sold for 13K each and 100+ tier 3 mods that could have sold for 10K each. And I could have spent that scrip to buy more tier 4 mods because I'm scrip-limited (I have millions of salvage). Fellow clan mates have made single-digit millions in scrip because of this. It may not have been a big glitch for YOU (out of curiousity, how much scrip did you make?) but for ME it's a "big glitch" because of the time it could have saved me. And it's enough to take what little wind out of the tattered sails I have for this game.

And then there's the inflation of prices for high-end gear that can come of this (it's what happens when only a small % of the population get access to a relatively large windfall of income). But that's another story yet to unfold...

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for like ten hours leading up to this there were people in-game buying pre patch legendaries. i sold 5 of my crappy self revive legendaries to a guy for 100k. granted, i didnt know what he was going to do with them at the time, and i really didnt care, because someone was actually buying my crappy legendaries. so he made money on them --- i dont care. not to mention, there were bunches of people talking about it in-game during the 12 hour span it took the extra life vendor to come back. so its not like there wasnt advance warning.


trion missed it, and a lot of players actually got scrip for their crappy old guns that only became crappy because of the last patch. i have absolutely no problem with anyone that made scrip this way .

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Originally Posted by xilfxlegion

trion missed it, and a lot of players actually got scrip for their crappy old guns that only became crappy because of the last patch. i have absolutely no problem with anyone that made scrip this way .

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Agree, i`ve no problem with that either. I only selled a few mods to make room in my inventory, but i don`t see why people feel bad about this, truly i don`t.

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Originally Posted by Z0mb1E

Just selling my trash items to that vendor was netting me 25k to 50k per trip.

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Yeah, this sounds vaguely familiar. ;)

(Only problem was, I was running out of inventory space to hold all of my trash items until his next appearance.)

Made a cool 3 million of the shields lol, and sold my old crappy pre-patch legendary rockers for 13k a gun!

More extra life! Plus, im not bitter about missing that 500k charge blade thing now!

Thank you Trion!!

Dont really see the issue here, sold off all my unused prepatch crap and almost emptied my invenetory. Did a bunch of Co-Op's which with the loot bonus and perks ment loot was dropping like flies, farmed like this between EL vendor time, upped my XP and made legit scrip selling to ELV at inflated prices.

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Originally Posted by Ed_Hazard

Dont really see the issue here, sold off all my unused prepatch crap and almost emptied my invenetory. Did a bunch of Co-Op's which with the loot bonus and perks ment loot was dropping like flies, farmed like this between EL vendor time, upped my XP and made legit scrip selling to ELV at inflated prices.

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issue was that he was selling shields for 4800, then bought them back for 5500, so spamming the buy/sell was netting people about a mil every 10 min.

Awesome exploiting... youre now on the lvl of Sword glitchers.

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Originally Posted by Chevota

Awesome exploiting... youre now on the lvl of Sword glitchers.

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I was just explaining, not saying I did it...


but I did do it a lil lol (he was also buying other items at increased values)

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Originally Posted by Chevota

Awesome exploiting... youre now on the lvl of Sword glitchers.

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I know a guy that made 12 mil doing it.and there was around 100 ppl at each vendor.so ya the market is just a mess now

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Originally Posted by Musashi

I know a guy that made 12 mil doing it.and there was around 100 ppl at each vendor.so ya the market is just a mess now

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And the market was in a state of okay-ness before this?

I can only hope the Wrath hits everyone that exploited... but it wont lol.

Enjoy your free stuff

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Originally Posted by Musashi

I know a guy that made 12 mil doing it.and there was around 100 ppl at each vendor.so ya the market is just a mess now

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Would it be though?
I mean scrip isn't really that important.
There's no AH or crafting system so I doubt would damage it that much.

Of course I guess this means there will probably be a massive money sink to counter what happened, even though all it'll do is just cut a ton of people off from content.

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Originally Posted by hardy83

Would it be though?
I mean scrip isn't really that important.
There's no AH or crafting system so I doubt would damage it that much.

Of course I guess this means they'll probably be a massive money sick to counter what happened, even though all it'll do is just cut a ton of people off from content.

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Very true my friend.

Scrip, while nice to have, is fairly useless....Only big reason for scrip nowadays is for buying mods from vendors, but most are ok to do that anyway.

Now arksalvage? can never get enough lol

You all missed the point of my post I dont have a problem with ppl selling there mods or weapons to the vendor thats fine.

the broken part wich should have been fixed is that the vendor sold items for less than he bought them back for. wich means you could get a ton of everything i made near to 100k in maybe 20 seconds. i was tempted to sell off my inventory load up wash and repeat to get a ton of script and salvage i did that with maybe 8 open slots.

Not sure but i think he was out there for around 10min it was a very bad exploit to have go unchecked. Simple truth is If Trion ignores this they have no quality control at least for this game and dont care about Defiance as a brand.

Look to square and FF14 to see a company that cares about its product.

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Originally Posted by Waren

Look to square and FF14 to see a company that cares about its product.

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Thanks, but no thanks.

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Has there been any official response to this? Or does an exploit like this one not matter?

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Originally Posted by seros

Has there been any official response to this? Or does an exploit like this one not matter?

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yes. they ended it. . .

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Originally Posted by xilfxlegion

yes. they ended it. . .

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One of the issues that will probably occur though is that the next time they use the same vendor system it will be discovered that the issue was back-burnered and never resolved, so it will occur again.

The last time they ran the afflicted instances/emergencies some of us noticed/mentioned/reported that they were broken. Afflicted to scan were empty cots, props would appear with no NPCs, NPCs would be killed and the props would stay in place for seemingly hours. The response from Trion was that they were temporary, soon to end, and no point fixing them now.

Well, they're back, and still broken. So when they recycle the EL type vendors and system it'll prolly still be broken.
If fixed it'll prolly be broken worse, because.... well, ... 'Trion'....
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Originally Posted by crasher

One of the issues that will probably occur though is that the next time they use the same vendor system it will be discovered that the issue was back-burnered and never resolved, so it will occur again.

The last time they ran the afflicted instances/emergencies some of us noticed/mentioned/reported that they were broken. Afflicted to scan were empty cots, props would appear with no NPCs, NPCs would be killed and the props would stay in place for seemingly hours. The response from Trion was that they were temporary, soon to end, and no point fixing them now.

Well, they're back, and still broken. So when they recycle the EL type vendors and system it'll prolly still be broken.
If fixed it'll prolly be broken worse, because.... well, ... 'Trion'....
:)

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If it's only the vendor,at least it'll only be annual.
Think of it as "appreciation day" or something.

Scrip is pretty worthless anyway. The player merchants just raise their already ridiculous prices.( like they did after the Thorn Liro fiasco, and every boost weekend.

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Originally Posted by kendillin

If it's only the vendor,at least it'll only be annual.
Think of it as "appreciation day" or something.

Scrip is pretty worthless anyway. The player merchants just raise their already ridiculous prices.( like they did after the Thorn Liro fiasco, and every boost weekend.

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Like all inflation, it solves nothing and affects the ppl who didn't gain buckets-full during the exploit.

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Originally Posted by kendillin

Scrip is pretty worthless anyway.

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You're missing the part where people took that scrip that they turned, bought more items, broke down to salvage, turned that to keys, and bought Epic Mod Hoards/Jackpots... Without losing a single Scrip.

Everything hurts, in the vicious circle that this game is.