Trion, please don't make players have to have an online pass.

Defiance will be a MMO that will attract gamers of all sorts. That means that they will be playing the multiplayer.
But if I understand right, there will be a season pass for DLC.

If you require an online pass for the game being bought used, then chances are that they will not want to spend any more money and get the DLC. If you have a game that's truly fun, addicting, and really keeps on going, then they will want to buy the DLC when there isn't an online pass in the way, which means more money for you guys. When they get the DLC pass, then they will most likely keep the game and keep playing it, which means used game sales won't happen as much anyway.

Used sales will happen wether you like it or not. If you impose an online pass, then it will slow down used sales and possible profits for the DLC.

Take Call of Duty for example. They have DLC passes and they don't have online passes, but yet they are the highest selling entertainment titles of ALL TIME world wide!

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Originally Posted by nitroz76

Defiance will be a MMO that will attract gamers of all sorts. That means that they will be playing the multiplayer.
But if I understand right, there will be a season pass for DLC.

If you require an online pass for the game being bought used, then chances are that they will not want to spend any more money and get the DLC. If you have a game that's truly fun, addicting, and really keeps on going, then they will want to buy the DLC when there isn't an online pass in the way, which means more money for you guys. When they get the DLC pass, then they will most likely keep the game and keep playing it, which means used game sales won't happen as much anyway.

Used sales will happen wether you like it or not. If you impose an online pass, then it will slow down used sales and possible profits for the DLC.

Take Call of Duty for example. They have DLC passes and they don't have online passes, but yet they are the highest selling entertainment titles of ALL TIME world wide!

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Um... this game doesn't have online passes. It's a free to play game after purchase just like COD or Battlefield 3. They're just selling DLC. The season pass is like the Battlefield VIP package

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Originally Posted by UberNinja

Um... this game doesn't have online passes. It's a free to play game after purchase just like COD or Battlefield 3. They're just selling DLC. The season pass is like the Battlefield VIP package

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Think he is talking about the online pass that many new single player games that also have online multi players come with for free. That you have to buy to play online if you buy a used game.

Sounds fair to me. Almost all games if bought used require a new CD key to play online. One account One key... They've been doing this for ages. BF3 does this, COD does this, counterstrike, and etc.

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Originally Posted by UberNinja

Sounds fair to me. Almost all games if bought used require a new CD key to play online. One account One key... They've been doing this for ages. BF3 does this, COD does this, counterstrike, and etc.

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COD does NOT do this! Neither does counterstrike (to my knowledge. I've never heard of a valve game requiring an online pass)

Only BF3 does.


And guess which game is the most successful? COD.
It's because it's simple pay to play, it doesn't have 4 types of ****ty DRM, and it doesn't have any online passes!

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Originally Posted by nitroz76

COD does NOT do this! Neither does counterstrike (to my knowledge. I've never heard of a valve game requiring an online pass)

Only BF3 does.


And guess which game is the most successful? COD.
It's because it's simple pay to play, it doesn't have 4 types of ****ty DRM, and it doesn't have any online passes!

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COD requires a valid key to play online. Counter strike requires a valid key to play online. Most and all Valve games require a key to play online. Valve is not in the used game business. The only time you don't need a key is when you play offline such as LAN. I have no clue what you're talking about.

You must be talking Console. In that case, it's going to soon follow PC. Since a lot of people are pirating games via console now.

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Originally Posted by UberNinja

COD requires a valid key to play online. Counter strike requires a valid key to play online. Most and all Valve games require a key to play online. Valve is not in the used game business. The only time you don't need a key is when you play offline such as LAN. I have no clue what you're talking about.

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Thats probably for PC, but on console, I can just buy used, put it in, and play.

Being a mmo still no matter free or not there wil be a key i bet for you account just the beta keys you have to punch in your trion account

Thats probably for PC, but on console, I can just buy used, put it in, and play.

That is how most console games, with single and online multiplayer modes, work. Defiance is an MMO. There is no offline, single player mode. It's online, all the time, with many other people. Sure, you don't have to play with them, but it's still online. For PC MMO's, you're not even really paying for the software; that can be downloaded without payment. You're paying for the serial key, which gives you the right to play. Defiance will come with a code, like all mmo's, that you'll register on your account. Then you'll be able to play without spending another dime, if you so choose. I suppose you could possibly get a used copy of the Defiance disc off of Amazon, ebay, etc., but that would only help you if you have an account, but have lost/broken your original disc.

A season pass for DLC is another thing entirely. Just means that, if you have one, you won't have to pay for any new DLC for the duration of the pass. Those without one, can buy the DLC, or not. Their choice. Not buying the new DLC will not prevent them from being able to play.

I assume this will work like a lot of MMOs. The game will come with a key that will show that you've purchased a brand new copy. For consoles this would mean that if you bought the game used, you would need a valid key to unlock the game for online play. If this weren't the case, then you could essentially borrow the game from a friend and play without paying any money. I don't think Trion is going to let this happen. As for DLC, it seems like it will work similar to games such as DCUO or Borderlands 2 where you pay $5-$10 (or more) and unlock the new content.

Of course, I'm not a developer so I may be completely wrong. Hopefully we can get an official response on this.