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  • 11-24-2013, 06:18 AM
    Johahhah
    Question about the Arkbreaker - no news about PvP?
    Correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't find ANY info about PvP content or any changes in the upcoming DLC. As a PvP player (it's a shooter, isn't it?..), I'm interested in changes concerning cloak. You (Trion) promised that you'd make it shimmer. The main question is - is it finally going to happen on december the 10th?
    Sure it won't solve the problem of cloak (it needs more nerfs than just shimmering) but at least that. Should I hope or not?
    And by the way, why no new PvP content?
  • 11-24-2013, 04:16 PM
    Drewbud
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Johahhah View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't find ANY info about PvP content or any changes in the upcoming DLC. As a PvP player (it's a shooter, isn't it?..), I'm interested in changes concerning cloak. You (Trion) promised that you'd make it shimmer. The main question is - is it finally going to happen on december the 10th?
    Sure it won't solve the problem of cloak (it needs more nerfs than just shimmering) but at least that. Should I hope or not?
    And by the way, why no new PvP content?

    When I heard about this game, what got me in was all the CO-OP. This is not, has not and will not ever be a game about pvp. Pvp in defiance is just something extra in a CO-OP game. Shooter or not. MMO or not. IT is, has and all ways will be a Co-Op game.
  • 11-24-2013, 04:18 PM
    Bane_Of_Legends
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Johahhah View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't find ANY info about PvP content or any changes in the upcoming DLC. As a PvP player (it's a shooter, isn't it?..), I'm interested in changes concerning cloak. You (Trion) promised that you'd make it shimmer. The main question is - is it finally going to happen on december the 10th?
    Sure it won't solve the problem of cloak (it needs more nerfs than just shimmering) but at least that. Should I hope or not?
    And by the way, why no new PvP content?

    Prepare to be barraged by players who run cloak religiously, trying to say the only reason you don't like cloak in PvP is because you have no skill.
  • 11-24-2013, 04:22 PM
    Arsenic_Touch
    There is no reason for them to waste resources on the smallest group of players (pvp) unless they plan on completely overhauling the system from the ground up so that there is real competition to it, real objectives, and balance. They need to create hard counters to specific builds and promote teamwork.

    Adding new maps is just going to make the queues longer because that's more people spread out. So until they actually fix the system itself I do not want them wasting time or resources on new pvp content. I mean look at the military academy. It never pops and it's still broken since it debut. Adding more of the same is just going to piss people off.

    Besides, they already added the damage reduction nerf and broke perks in the process, there's your "pvp news"
  • 11-24-2013, 04:29 PM
    Elastik Spastik
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    Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch View Post
    There is no reason for them to waste resources on the smallest group of players (pvp) unless the plan on completely overhauling the system from the ground up so that there is real competition to it, real objectives, and balance. Adding new maps is just going to make the queues longer because that's more people spread out. So until they actually fix the system itself I do not want them wasting time or resources on new pvp content. I mean look at the military academy. It never pops and it's still broken since it debut. Adding more of the same is just going to piss people off.

    Besides, they already added the damage reduction nerf and broke perks in the process, there's your "pvp news"

    This exactly. Well said Arsenic.
  • 11-24-2013, 04:34 PM
    Maixx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch View Post
    There is no reason for them to waste resources on the smallest group of players (pvp) unless the plan on completely overhauling the system from the ground up so that there is real competition to it, real objectives, and balance. Adding new maps is just going to make the queues longer because that's more people spread out. So until they actually fix the system itself I do not want them wasting time or resources on new pvp content. I mean look at the military academy. It never pops and it's still broken since it debut. Adding more of the same is just going to piss people off.

    Besides, they already added the damage reduction nerf and broke perks in the process, there's your "pvp news"

    While I agree with 90% of this, I believe the reason "pvp is the smallest group of players" is because of the broken pvp system, early on pvp was far more relevant.
  • 11-24-2013, 04:36 PM
    Arsenic_Touch
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    Originally Posted by Maixx View Post
    While I agree with 90% of this, I believe the reason "pvp is the smallest group of players" is because of the broken pvp system, early on pvp was far more relevant.

    Hardly. Pvp will always be the lowest common denominator even when it's working and has a proper system, majority of people do not care for it. You can look at every mmo out there and see it.
  • 11-24-2013, 04:50 PM
    Bane_Of_Legends
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch View Post
    There is no reason for them to waste resources on the smallest group of players (pvp) unless the plan on completely overhauling the system from the ground up so that there is real competition to it, real objectives, and balance. Adding new maps is just going to make the queues longer because that's more people spread out. So until they actually fix the system itself I do not want them wasting time or resources on new pvp content. I mean look at the military academy. It never pops and it's still broken since it debut. Adding more of the same is just going to piss people off.

    Besides, they already added the damage reduction nerf and broke perks in the process, there's your "pvp news"

    Pretty much this... Defiance was made as a co-op game, meant to shine in a massive teamwork-ish kind of way (and I say ish because it doesn't do that to its fullest potential). PvP is just a little bit of side fun to break the co-op monotomy. Majority of players want new content such as extensions to the storyline and more endgame content that isn't focused on PvP.. That'll get players back into the game, they'll recommend it to others, playerbase slowly grows, more money goes to Trion, making it easier for them to fix minor game issues like in PvP. (CHEATERS, HACKERS, AND EXPLOITERS GOTTA GO ASAP THOUGH)
  • 11-24-2013, 04:51 PM
    Maixx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch View Post
    Hardly. Pvp will always be the lowest common denominator even when it's working and has a proper system, majority of people do not care for it. You can look at every mmo out there and see it.

    Pc mmo yeah, console shooter no, and I didn't say or imply that pvp was more then pve, just more relevant then it is now.
  • 11-24-2013, 05:15 PM
    Elastik Spastik
    The devs should do a vote-

    Keep pvp ( )
    Destroy pvp (y)

    Answer yes in relevant box.
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