people that do not buy the dlc's...

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

After the first shotgun nerf, the thundershock and firestorm nerf, the red scope take away, and lets not forget the 1.05 shotgun mag buff, It was very clear to me that we can indeed say pretty much whatever we want within the forum guidelines but this is more a place for us to vent or talk among ourselves rather than have any real impact or affect on the game in any way.
I have learned from them that this is their game and they (whoever "they" are) are not interested in any large way about the opinions of such a small percentage of their player base.
We do not represent in any way most of the people who buy or play this game. We are the few nerdy enough to want to talk about it ad nauseum.
the vast (I'm talkin VAST here) majority of players will never score over one million points with the warmaster yet we have a lot on these forums who do on a regular basis.
The biggest part of the bell curve that is the real player base is what Trion is attempting to cater to. We do not represent them. They do not take the game as seriously as much of us do. 95% ( yes I did just pull that number out of my arse but I think it's close enough) of them will never see these forums much less comment on the game.
However Trion keeps tabs on the great unwashed group that is it's real player base, this ain't it.

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::Respectful golfclap::

It should be coded so: Paid Dlc owners get in first, followed by group members, then clan members, then the rest. In that order of priority. That is all that needs done.

Btw Hardy the story missions are already co-op. The arenas are supposed to be co-op with paid members being allowed to invite in non-paid members, but they couldn't get it done and are "still" worrking on it and hope to have the arenas up and running as co-ops for paid members and their friends by Dlc 3.

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Originally Posted by vizibledog

Should a 5 dollar arkhunter get less content than a daredevil?

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No, all arkhunters should get everything available that they
pay for. If you got a deal, good on ya. But paid dlc IMO should
be for dlc holders.

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Originally Posted by Rincewind

No, all arkhunters should get everything available that they
pay for. If you got a deal, good on ya. But paid dlc IMO should
be for dlc holders.

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Makes way too much sense for these interbutts

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Originally Posted by Atticus Batman

It should be coded so: Paid Dlc owners get in first, followed by group members, then clan members, then the rest. In that order of priority. That is all that needs done.

Btw Hardy the story missions are already co-op. The arenas are supposed to be co-op with paid members being allowed to invite in non-paid members, but they couldn't get it done and are "still" worrking on it and hope to have the arenas up and running as co-ops for paid members and their friends by Dlc 3.

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That works. Simple.

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Originally Posted by Rincewind

No, all arkhunters should get everything available that they
pay for. If you got a deal, good on ya. But paid dlc IMO should
be for dlc holders.

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i agree, either pay for the dlc or you don't get any of the dlc simple

I understand and agree with the OP and a lot of the messages in here.

That said, I have no plans to buy DLC, I will enter Arkbreaks, possibly take a DLC purchaser's place, and score my million+ and I don't feel bad about it.

Anger should be directed to the following address:

1200 Bridge Parkway
Suite 201
Redwood City, CA 94065

being on ps3 I have not had the opportunity to purchase the new dlc was disappointed when I could not get it on the 10th don't know when I will be able to get it but I do need new content getting tired of doing the same old thing I have been in minor and also major arc Falls in the major arc Falls people are very disorganized unlocking war master early and not concentrating on the right arm can't wait till I can actually call one down and use the weapons I've been getting too.

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Originally Posted by Overtkill21

I understand and agree with the OP and a lot of the messages in here.

That said, I have no plans to buy DLC, I will enter Arkbreaks, possibly take a DLC purchaser's place, and score my million+ and I don't feel bad about it.

Anger should be directed to the following address:

1200 Bridge Parkway
Suite 201
Redwood City, CA 94065

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THe way I see it, is if you actually help out instead of leeching in a corner, then go ahead. Have fun and join the Arkbreaks. Although if you play with a friend or clan that uses their batteries to summon those arkbreaks, then be nice and give them 10k scrip to purchase another battery on occassion.

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Originally Posted by Atticus Batman

THe way I see it, is if you actually help out instead of leeching in a corner, then go ahead. Have fun and join the Arkbreaks. Although if you play with a friend or clan that uses their batteries to summon those arkbreaks, then be nice and give them 10k scrip to purchase another battery on occassion.

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I am no scrub certainly I do my part, my highest score thus far is 1.6 mil with my VBI AR and Ground Pounder combo...but I certainly do see the point of the OP especially since I seem to have better luck at entering Arkbreaks than most of the DLC purchasers I know.

I hadn't thought to give anyone scrip for batteries honestly - I usually get the "bat signal" aka private chat invite that tells me I should "Join Friend" and replace some 100K scrub...LOL, but if I were to see a friend of mine place a battery you bet I'll throw in, I'm scrip flush. :D

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Originally Posted by Atticus Batman

THe way I see it, is if you actually help out instead of leeching in a corner, then go ahead. Have fun and join the Arkbreaks. Although if you play with a friend or clan that uses their batteries to summon those arkbreaks, then be nice and give them 10k scrip to purchase another battery on occassion.

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That is one hella good idea B man. All players of good character could on a volunteer basis just offer scrip donations to battery placers at majors. Kind of pay it forward. I am going to start doing that the next time I play. It wouldn't need to be the whole 10k but a grand here and two grand there would add up pretty fast.

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

That is one hella good idea B man. All players of good character could on a volunteer basis just offer scrip donations to battery placers at majors. Kind of pay it forward. I am going to start doing that the next time I play. It wouldn't need to be the whole 10k but a grand here and two grand there would add up pretty fast.

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Dawn Patrol already does that. A couple non-dlc users have given our founder scrip for batteries. I say if you are playing with somebody regularly who uses their batteries, it would show your apreciation by chipping in atleast a couple grand.

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Originally Posted by Overtkill21

I am no scrub certainly I do my part, my highest score thus far is 1.6 mil with my VBI AR and Ground Pounder combo...but I certainly do see the point of the OP especially since I seem to have better luck at entering Arkbreaks than most of the DLC purchasers I know.

I hadn't thought to give anyone scrip for batteries honestly - I usually get the "bat signal" aka private chat invite that tells me I should "Join Friend" and replace some 100K scrub...LOL, but if I were to see a friend of mine place a battery you bet I'll throw in, I'm scrip flush. :D

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Never actually accused you of being a scrub, sorry if it was implied. I already thought you help in battle. Just mentioned my opinion and how I feel about the whole thing.

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Originally Posted by Atticus Batman

Never actually accused you of being a scrub, sorry if it was implied. I already thought you help in battle. Just mentioned my opinion and how I feel about the whole thing.

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Oh no I didn't think you implied it sir. :) Do you guys do the "bat signal" on the XBox?

I don't really care if people with no DLC can use it or not, i bought my DLC, why should i care how others play their game...honestly.

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Originally Posted by Tesseract

Of all the ideas I have seen I like this best. I would just add that Season Pass holders go in before the regular DLCers. Then you ONLY get non-DLC people if it is necessary to make up the numbers. That is maximum value for those who pay.

You can stand on principle and say no-pay-no-play but sometimes the numbers just aren't there and so it is the DLC people who do not get to play the content they paid for.

This is by far the most elegant solution. Kudos to you, jackdaws. Trion, take note!

FYI, I do not yet have DLC2 because I am on PS3. When I can buy it I will. I did not get the Season Pass because I could not see any advantage over buying the DLCs one at a time. Make it worth something -- like preferred entrance to arkbreaker -- and I still might buy it in spite of having DLC1.

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Tess, thanks for the vote there, and I agree with your suggested changes.

I still feel that giving people the options to play together is far better than closing off half of the players. The only thing is that DLCers should definitely get priority over non-dlcers. and season pass holders over straight dlcers. As a season pass holder, there doesn't seem to have been much of an incentive, especially as the DLCs are less now than trion originally wanted to make them.

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Well I for sure won't be using any of my ark spikes so random noobs can make it a waste of time. Done clan war master in a dead phase yesterday. Smashed him with 2 mins to spare. Why can't we do it this way every time. Basicly I paid for doc for no reason at all. Dlc owners should most def get 1st access to the ark break. Sick to death of wastin spikes for dam noobs who just go & start it b4 every1s back from d/c

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Originally Posted by Arran

Well I for sure won't be using any of my ark spikes so random noobs can make it a waste of time. Done clan war master in a dead phase yesterday. Smashed him with 2 mins to spare. Why can't we do it this way every time. Basicly I paid for doc for no reason at all. Dlc owners should most def get 1st access to the ark break. Sick to death of wastin spikes for dam noobs who just go & start it b4 every1s back from d/c

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So because you feel people will sponge off of you by entering arkbreaks you used batteries on, you won't use them anymore. But does that mean you are going to quit going to arkbreaks? If not then you sir have become the sponge that you supposedly loathe, and people should scream and try to find a way to keep you out of arkbreaks, while you whine and fight to keep the sponges who aren't hypocritical, out of them.

That would be a big NO. I will happily use spikes for my clan just not for a bunch of newbies because I no it won't get completed & sum div will start it b4 every1 gets no from d/c. Yet I'm the selfish one. I think not m8 jus making the most of my resorses like any true ark hunter should. The object is to succed not fail.

We have four people three of which own the DLC our fourth member cannot buy the DLC (hes still going through support as too why, something to do with Fastcard in Canada).

So your gated idea would suck as he'd have to watch us three go in and we'd have to leave him behind, and its not even his fault..

Bad idea people...

What is it with people these days and sharing, are you all taught to be selfish and greedy?

And I only do ark breaks with my clan so no I'm not sponging of sum random

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And I only do ark breaks with my clan so no I'm not sponging of sum random

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Alright, but it's not just with your clan. the arkbreaks are made for everyone to do, and there is no clan only option. I stated in an earlier post, how I beleive it should be and I stand by it. But remember if you refuse to use the batteries and your clan follows your lead, but you continue to do arkbreaks then you are sponging. Besides Trion gives you one free battery a day. Use that battery at an ark site and save the rest if you want. You won't be sponging since you used a battery (even though it was a freebie), and even if everyone who owned the Dlc used mainly their freeby batteries, there would still be plenty for us all to do, everyday.

I agree non dlc owners should have access to ark breaks but the dlc owners should def get priority when entering. Iv wasted solo much scrip buy-in batteries just to get d/c up to 5 times b4 I even get into the boss & there's only 1min left. Me & my clan have the best luck when a new phase spawns & that's the only time I do them now as it's a guranteed win this way. Got fed up of 1000 fails. Am still seeing ppl using cloak & infector so I just avoid them now.

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Originally Posted by Arran

I agree non dlc owners should have access to ark breaks but the dlc owners should def get priority when entering. Iv wasted solo much scrip buy-in batteries just to get d/c up to 5 times b4 I even get into the boss & there's only 1min left. Me & my clan have the best luck when a new phase spawns & that's the only time I do them now as it's a guranteed win this way. Got fed up of 1000 fails. Am still seeing ppl using cloak & infector so I just avoid them now.

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Since you may have missed my opinion on how it should be coded, I'll repost it here for you.

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Originally Posted by Atticus Batman

It should be coded so: Paid Dlc owners get in first, followed by group members, then clan members, then the rest. In that order of priority. That is all that needs done.

Btw Hardy the story missions are already co-op. The arenas are supposed to be co-op with paid members being allowed to invite in non-paid members, but they couldn't get it done and are "still" worrking on it and hope to have the arenas up and running as co-ops for paid members and their friends by Dlc 3.

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And here is a solution my clan does, so nobody in the clan feels that the non dlc-members are sponges. As for the random people being sponges, all you can do is let them stay on the ground, doing the worm, when they go down. But remember the ones actually focus firing and being helpful aren't sponges. They are intern help. :)

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Originally Posted by Atticus Batman

THe way I see it, is if you actually help out instead of leeching in a corner, then go ahead. Have fun and join the Arkbreaks. Although if you play with a friend or clan that uses their batteries to summon those arkbreaks, then be nice and give them 10k scrip to purchase another battery on occassion.

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It really is sad that so many people (not everyone) has this idiotic idea that if you dont buy dlc you cannot play.What about students,people with familys or people on low incomes? So its ok for them to buy the game but if they dont have money to spend on dlc its tough luck? Do you really wanna be that petty? Oh and no im not in any of them im a well off working guy but its sad people have to be so petty,theres plenty of other reasons to buy dlc then this

I'm also a family man on low income . End of the day what's £7. Il just have cut down smoking for a week. No major problem. By all means come along if u actually wana beat him but if ur just turning up to thro w spit balls at him then plz just move along.

I am a non-DLCer. I haven't seen the value in it. Look around the Steam sale, right now, and look for what you can get for $10. If you try to block out the people who do not own the DLC, you will dry up the existing population even more. I feel where you are coming from, totally. But trying to create more of an elitist divide is the wrong way to go about it. You deserve more incentive, we don't deserve less.

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I am a non-DLCer. I haven't seen the value in it. Look around the Steam sale, right now, and look for what you can get for $10. If you try to block out the people who do not own the DLC, you will dry up the existing population even more. I feel where you are coming from, totally. But trying to create more of an elitist divide is the wrong way to go about it. You deserve more incentive, we don't deserve less.

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Paid DLC players deserve more.
And that's not to say that non-DLC players should be shunned, either.
But if I buy the stripped down version of a car, I don't automatically assume they owe me power windows.

The only reason I bought the DLC was so that my brothers and sisters in the game don't have to fork over ALL the batteries ALL the time.
I have little interest in the rest of it, but I enjoy the game, and I'd prefer it stick around, so I'm spreading the mirth how I can.

although i have read allot of the posts in this thread, and think people are intitled to their opinion. but i still stand by what i had said when i started this people that do not pay for the dlc should not be allowed to benifit from the dlc, meaning going into the arkfalls that are called down.

i read in another thread some posted how people that do not buy the dlc get a free ride while people that do buy it are paying for the car and the gas to drive it. which is basically exactly what has happened with dlc 2 sure people that did not buy the dlc can not use the arkspikes so they have no need to buy them, where as the people that do own the dlc can and will buy them to call down the arkfalls and the no dlc owners get to benefit from it, sure they can't use the weapons they get in them buy they still get them to sell/salvage.

as i have said in another post people should get what they paid for, and if they choose not to buy the dlc's they should not get any of the benefits from the dlc its only common sense that they should not expect to get paid parts of the game without paying for them, and they should definately not complain they are not getting them when they didn't pay for them.

if everyone that went to a called down arkfall had to actually buy the dlc to enter the arkfalls you would definately not see idiots running around with infectors or a bmgs while fighting the war master, they would actually try to defeat him rather than just try to level up guns.

not to make myself seem selfish but i really think people should get what they pay for. If you don't pay for the dlc you don't get to enter the arkfalls since that is basically the whole reason for the dlc was so we can call down and enter arkfalls, so why should the people that don't buy it be allowed to enter them?

i have used a crap load of spikes to call down arkfalls only to get lagged out of the game while trying to enter them.

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Originally Posted by Littleweasel

not to make myself seem selfish but i really think people should get what they pay for. If you don't pay for the dlc you don't get to enter the arkfalls since that is basically the whole reason for the dlc was so we can call down and enter arkfalls, so why should the people that don't buy it be allowed to enter them?

i have used a crap load of spikes to call down arkfalls only to get lagged out of the game while trying to enter them.

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Yes you would! There are people who have the paid Dlc, that never place ark batteries and love to just use the warmaster to level their guns, including bmgs/infectors. Some with the paid dont use arks, and just troll. Some just shoot once or twice then afk for free weapons.

Btw this game is about Arkhunters fighting to get into everything, including arkbreaks (downed Arks). It is part of the main lore of the game not just Dlc lore. So they deserve to be able to get into them as well. Besides some of the top scorers are non-dlc users, because they work their butts off to prove they deserve to be there.

I realize I'm late to the party on this one but oh well...

I own four copies of Defiance, two on PC plus Xbox 360 and PS3. I have bought four season passes. I call down minor arkbreaks whenever I get the chance using batteries from the Daily Arkhunter Rewards or buying four packs here and there. I have contributed to calling down majors and contribute as best as I can to killing the WarMaster...on PC at least on the 360 I'm disconnected 75% of the time and on PS3 I don't even bother as I've never gotten into one, always disconnected.

Given that I think Trion's solution for non-DLC (or season pass) buyers works well. While generic drops in the minors are usable, the reward items in both the minor and major arkbreaks are weapons they cannot use. They also cannot call down arkbreaks and are reliant on others. Thus by allowing them to participate they get a taste for things and maybe that will tip the scales toward buying the DLC themselves so they can start calling down arkbreaks and so they can take advantage of the new weapons beyond salvage/sales.

i guess allowing them into the arkfall wouldn't really be all that bad, but they should not be able to receive any kinda of xp or reward after the arkfall is finished unless they own the dlc.

as i stated in my last post the people that buy the dlc basically pay for everything while the people that don't buy it get a free ride, and people should get what they pay for. simple if you do not buy the dlc you can not participate in the dlc content.

if you don't buy the dlc you should not even be able to receive any new dlc weapons as rewards since you can not use them anyways?

i would love to hear what Trion has to say about this question:
what exactly is the people that paid for the dlc paying for them if people that do not buy it can still do pretty much everything that people that did pay for it can do, short of the 45mins of missions, being able to buying/placing arkfall spikes, and being able to use the new weapons oh and the new achievements?
unless a person really wants the achievements i see no real point in buying the arkbreaker dlc since you get pretty much everything a non buyer gets.

The discussion in this thread reminds me of when I watched this video over a year ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXA559KNopI

Note: This video was uploaded in 2012. I expect mixed responses from this video.

I feel that this problem mostly stems from that fact that anyone can break the locks to release the Warmaster. Though some people break the locks early on purpose either to grief or that they know they get XP and Keycodes regardless, there are some people that are just not informed about the Warmaster and don't not know it's a raid type instance that requires a large amount of people to work together in order to defeat him. People that paid for the DLC will have done at least some of research about the Warmaster while non-DLC players may have not. There are a couple of suggestions that might help to alleviate some of these problems, for example: Have EGO in-game explain that the Warmaster is a dangerous enemy that would require a large group of Arkhunters to defeat him and to wait before attempting to break any locks or give the locks regenerating health fast enough so that a small handful of people cannot break the locks on their own or maybe even reduced XP/Keycodes for non-DLC players. But all this is just my opinion.

P.S. I loathed English class.

I can make 10K by just selling weapons. I've put down 4 batteries plenty of times. I'm not very concerned about virtual money, they get virtually replenished all the time. However, I can't get 24 people to do an arkbreak.

My problem is that the DLCs are not that compelling and there's not enough people to participate with. I've lost two free batteries because I didn't use them because there's just not enough people to use it for. If you're on the PC and there's a random minor arkbreak with nobody around, that's probably from me.

If you make it so that everyone needs to own the DLC, you're going to be asking to punish me even more.

Before I came to this post, I just finished an arkfall with one person. At the reward screen there were 4 other people that never showed up to the boss fight. This is how my last week has been like. I think the DLC not being very compelling for people to come back to is a way bigger problem.

Make it so non DLC players cant break the locks.

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....People that paid for the DLC will have done at least some of research about the Warmaster while non-DLC players may have not...

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You mean the players using blinding cold fire weapons on the Warmaster while most of the group is trying to break the armor? Yeah they really did their research. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Wabbles

....Have EGO in-game explain....

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This is an interesting point. Currently EGO encourages players to break locks early by saying they should break the locks when they enter the room. Changing that dialogue to tell the player he or she should break the locks once enough players are in the room would at least end that one particular problem.

*raises hand*

i think there should be a script fee to enter a arkfall, for those that don't have the Arkbreaker

*tips imaginary top hat*

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Originally Posted by DanteYoda

Make it so non DLC players cant break the locks.

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i agree with this, but i also think that people that did not buy the dlc should not gain anything when finishing the arkbreak meaning no xp and no loot at the end wether the war master is defeated or not. maybe then they would either pay for it or not enter them.

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Originally Posted by Littleweasel

i agree with this, but i also think that people that did not buy the dlc should not gain anything when finishing the arkbreak meaning no xp and no loot at the end wether the war master is defeated or not. maybe then they would either pay for it or not enter them.

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Yes because what the game really needs is even lower attendance at Major Arkbreaks by players that actually know how to execute the proper strategy to kill the Warmaster. Have fun with that.

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Originally Posted by Deunan

Yes because what the game really needs is even lower attendance at Major Arkbreaks by players that actually know how to execute the proper strategy to kill the Warmaster. Have fun with that.

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half of the people that goto them now seem to either stand at the top without helping out anyways just get get xp, weapons and keys or use infectors or bmg's trying to level weapons instead of even helping in trying to kill him so really no big loss if there is less people to enter at least people that go into them may actually try to beat him.
people are not needed in the arkbreaks if they do not contribute to it.
and don't give me that crap about bad loot drops is why they don't fight him because not everyone that plays the game cares what kinda of loot they get as long as they are having fun playing the game, and if they get good loot they are happier.
people should be playing the game for the enjoyment of playing it not what kinda loot they canget while playing it.