You know you're BAD when....

My clan and myself were playing a modest shadow war the other day. Most of us being US Army Veterans, do what we do best -- we take and hold. We mosey into Bravo, push out the other teamS holding it (with just 4 of us mind you), and lock it down with a 3-man point, 1-man center defense. We held that one point for almost 15 mins fighting off without any deaths the other team until....

We see a blue player come into the camp, with about 20-40 other mobs (hell bugs and 99ers) jumps into is vehicle and blasts out of the camp. Of course, the bugs flushed us out, and we lost Bravo, and didn't think much of it as we were winning by a long-shot.

We retake Bravo again, after a few seconds, the same player runs into camp again with a ton of mobs that once again flush us out. At this point the score is getting close, and the match ends with us winning by 28%.

It is then brought up by another clan mate, "you see that guy's clan tag that brought in all the mobs?"

I replied, "No, who was it?"

Two clan mates said in unison, "The other team's clan".

When you have to get people outside your PVP to help you by training loads of mobs on people in order to even be competitive, it is time to uninstall the game because not only are you just a bad player, you are a bad reader and cannot read the rules such as, "Using or exploiting errors in design, features which have not been documented, and/or “program bugs” to gain access that is otherwise not available, or to obtain a competitive advantage over other players;".

/rant off

EDIT FOR CLARITY: As it would seem that many of the folks replying to this thread are either too unintelligent to infer and deduce or intentionally trolling. The problem with using a player in your clan who is not in a SW-PVP is that this player can see name-plates and can run around with impunity acting as another team-member without being counted by the system for balance and fairness.

Also, no, the 99ers and hellbugs did not kill us, sorry to disappoint, they did -- as I stated -- flushed us out to be picked off or have our positions given away while the other team waited for this to come to fruition. Also, we never 'technically' lost Bravo either. We were able to get back and recap it before they could fully cap it. However, the other team on our side did a very poor job at holding Alpha -- so our scores stopped ticking for a significant amount of time while they were using this player to flush us out.

i hate to say it but it seems like some dirty gorrila tactics in my book. but at the same time if he wasn ot part of the shadow war. he should not of been invovled like that now if he was part of the shadow war that is a difrent story. and i would of writen this up as a damn good tactic

Well said OP. Probably the twelvies I'd say.

Just because you don't agree with their tactics does not make them "bad players" or "bad readers" nor was anything they did actually breaking any rules for the game. There's a reason why shadow wars are open world. That's clever use of mechanics if I ever saw one.

I also have to say that its a very good use of game mechanics. However the real kicker here is... you got outed by hellbugs and 99ers? and you admitted it? really? sorry Im sounding alittle suprised or condescending, but if a wall of volge with the WM himself at the head was a comin over the hill, we would just dig in lol Specially with Surge Bolters and Wolfies at hand.

I jest of course, Im pretty sure you were ripping it up, and I am suitably impressed at your holding tactics. However, I am also pretty impressed at your opponents tactics (which as a Vet you should at least tip your hat to).

But hellbugs and 69ers got you out? and there were 4 of you? please tell me you were all using bmgs and sluggers.. then I would be impressed.

Ok a friend pointed out that maybe you guys like the helbugs and didnt want to squish them.... In which case I totally understand.

Save the Hellbugs.

So what you're saying is that one man repeatedly got an organized team of army vet players killed without actually firing a single shot?

Yep, that dude's bad at this game

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Originally Posted by Alexri

So what you're saying is that one man repeatedly got an organized team of army vet players killed without actually firing a single shot?

Yep, that dude's bad at this game

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What he is saying that his group of army vets, have no clue what a distraction is. That is what happened. The NON-innocent bystander kited in a bunch of npcs as a distraction and did a decent job at it.

Back when Hulkers were around more, plenty of people kited Hulkers and Monarchs to capture points. It's smart tactics. It's even smarter if your team captures the point, then kites in the big guys, because the other team will have to deal with them to get to the capture point. Think of Shadow Wars as a training excersise. It is there to teach you to ALWAYS expect the unexpected! You know, something a vet should already know.

That being said, it does suck that you got caught of guard. However you do now know, you should pay more attention. Btw a bad player would have walked behind you, THEN joined the shadow war on his clan's side, killed you, then unjoined again, to continue doing it to other members of your team.

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

Just because you don't agree with their tactics does not make them "bad players" or "bad readers" nor was anything they did actually breaking any rules for the game. There's a reason why shadow wars are open world. That's clever use of mechanics if I ever saw one.

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Would you say it is cleaver use of the mechanics to enter into god mode while in PVP? That's kinda funny because they just nerfed that a while back by making it so only one ego perk applies. Ok, so that was rhetorical. Well, would you say it is cleaver use of the mechanics to see your opponent's nameplates 100% of the time even while cloaked or hidden behind walls? I know someone has made a program that will do this for you, and I'm sure Trion will ban someone as soon as this is caught in use. So there I go with another rhetorical question.

So, lets get down to business, shall we? It is not clever use of game mechanics to have a clan mate not in a SW with the ability to see your nameplate through brush and obstructions to drag tons of mobs on your position repeatably with impunity, not only forcing you to turn and fight the mobs, but systematically giving your very concealed position away to his clan mates that are waiting and perched up on hill tops.

This is not "fair" game-play and equates to a football team having too many players on the field of which one of those players is a referee with the ability to see what the other team's play is, which results in penalties and FORFEITURES -- gee, I wonder why.

This is also, as stated a while back not an intended effect of Defiance (purposely training players) especially when you are not even in the SW to help out your clan. You see, there is a reason why a SW has a maximum number of players and why there always seems to be 1 or two player imbalances when the score is shown. There is a reason why for every one person added to one side, there is an equal amount added to the other -- balance. When you get people outside this system to assist you, you are creating an unfair advantage, and attempting to cheat the system that pits teams against each other on a fair and balanced approach.

Clever use? Perhaps, but most exploits are also clever uses of undocumented features as well if you're going after wordplay.

Here comes the kicker, there was 4 of us, there were 8 of them, plus the 1 player training mobs on us, and we still held Bravo.... No, they were indeed WORST players in my book, so bad the game should just explode from within their PC.

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Originally Posted by jackdaws_1999

I also have to say that its a very good use of game mechanics. However the real kicker here is... you got outed by hellbugs and 99ers? and you admitted it? really? sorry Im sounding alittle suprised or condescending, but if a wall of volge with the WM himself at the head was a comin over the hill, we would just dig in lol Specially with Surge Bolters and Wolfies at hand.

I jest of course, Im pretty sure you were ripping it up, and I am suitably impressed at your holding tactics. However, I am also pretty impressed at your opponents tactics (which as a Vet you should at least tip your hat to).

But hellbugs and 69ers got you out? and there were 4 of you? please tell me you were all using bmgs and sluggers.. then I would be impressed.

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No, they did not use the bugs to kill us, they used them to flush us out, weaken, distract, and then kill us. Granted it was a 8 vs 8 SW at the time. 4 of us were holding the area, all 8 then surrounded us, and someone from their clan not in the SW drug in a swarm of mobs repeatedly.

Let me start by explaining what would have happened if one from their team did this (because I'm sure they tried it a few times and died half-way down the hill, we just didn't see the mobs)... His head would have gone missing after about 2 seconds of being in sight. Also, the mobs he would have brought in, they would have likely returned to where they came from. One of our guys would have exposed himself, and the other team would have likely started firing at him, giving us the position of the team that surrounded us. At this point, we would have hunted them down one at the time -- this is the way we work.

However, a monkey wrench is thrown into the gears as soon as a player you can't kill runs down the hill with mobs and runs out with the near-cheat ability to see your name plates through brush and other obstructions and give his clan your positions.

As you might have imagined, if that player had been in the SW, I wouldn't have a problem with it -- we could have dealt with him very easily by reducing his head from his shoulders. But using the PVE "ally" ability to find your position, drag mobs in on top of you and exit with impunity is exploiting and not some "damn! he got one over on a group of army guys!"

But even with using this to their advantage, we still won the match and were able to get back and retake B before they could even fully cap it. That is a testament to how bad they really were.

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