A Plea to Trion: Hacking is becoming a huge problem..

Hacking, has not only become a problem but it is getting more and more openly obvious. Today, my clan of a modest group of a few handfulls active folks were banging our heads against walls in coops until we made a startling discovery.

In the co-op maps (take your pick), hackers seem to be able to push whom ever they wish out of a group and come right in your spot -- near instantly. Allow me to explain, mainly so if anyone else is experiencing this, we are more certain it is hacking and not some blunder of a bug by Trion?

We enter a Co-Op (Island of the Lost) and down the monarch in about 30-45 seconds. Instantly, 2 of our members are booted out of the zone -- the group leader (myself), a good friend leaving my wife and another friend in the zone (I can see my Wife's monitor). As soon as we're booted 2 players enter in our place only leaving a few seconds of vacancy.

We do what we're not supposed to do and just leave, we work together and are very anal about that. So we start the co-op over again. Once again just after the monarch and after killing her in just under a minute, my daughter is booted this time, and near instantly the SAME GUY that replaced me last time poped in her place.

We once again left.

Third time -- you can imagine exactly what happened, except this time it happened as soon as we zoned in to ANY co-op. One to two of our members are booted from the group and replaced by one of two of these guys. NOTE: IT IS ALWAYS THE SAME TWO PEOPLE (today at least).

This is very brazen, it is very obvious. While I'll admit this could be a bug and the chance of seeing the same guy now 8 times in a row could be a miraculous coincidence, however considering the plausibility that these guys are likely hacking/cracking in such a way that they are able to manipulate the server's team-finding and grouping ability is well grounded in the realm of reality. When a player can manipulate the server in such a way, there is a problem that requires Trion's immediate attention.

Reasons that point to hacking:

• Player does not experience a crash, only a strange load screen as if they left the group
• Replacement time is instant
• Replacement character is one of a few people
• Replacement characters are generally able to double the score of the lowest person there just in the last fight without taking any damage
• Replacement characters are usually at ridiculously low ego levels with white/green weapons

Trion, I'm pleading with you, please fix this.

Edit: Just for clarity, these events and events like it have been happening for over 3 weeks now.

and this is not the first time this has happened i have experienced this problem on and off for the pat week where i have not wanted to play coops because this keeps happening

As Mike said, we are having a lot of problems with Co-Op groups. You get random people from your group, to include the group leaders, get suddenly kicked from the group and then replaced by another player before they can drop out entirely so that they could be re-invited. It seems to be the same few that we see over and over again that join after such events. Had it happen twice in a row earlier and it was the same person that got invited both times. Then there's been more than one time where someone at a ridiculously low level in comparison to the rest of the group has a ridiculously high count at the end of the match compared to the time that they were there. Even had one a little while ago that didn't seem to get damaged when he was hit dead on!

Whatever it is that's going on, there's something funny up. Either they're able to hack into the system somehow or the system is bugged REALLY bad.

are the offenders on any of your Co-Op group's friend lists by chance? i know you can "go to friend" if said friend is in an instance. perhaps a bug lies there.
the good/bad news is, once you get to 4k+ ego and maxed out all your reps theres no reason to go to Co-Ops other than entertainment.

They're not on friends list of anyone in the group. I had asked.

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Originally Posted by JEMINAI

are the offenders on any of your Co-Op group's friend lists by chance? i know you can "go to friend" if said friend is in an instance. perhaps a bug lies there.
the good/bad news is, once you get to 4k+ ego and maxed out all your reps theres no reason to go to Co-Ops other than entertainment.

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While I can confirm that everyone sounded off that these guys were not present in anyone's friends list -- even if they were, how would they be able to push other people out of the group and how could they do so instantly? When I try to go to a friend where the group is full, I get the message, "The player you are trying to join currently is in a full group".

And it just happened this time, we were tired of loosing our progress when these morons joined, we vote-kicked them, only to have him reappear (INSTANTLY!!!!) beside us not in the group.

This guy is brazenly hacking.

Shall I name the 2 i've seen so far for you, Trion? I know you're very busy trying to pry what little cash you can from whoever might offer it up to pay more heed to actually solving issues.

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Originally Posted by Mike Chone

And it just happened this time, we were tired of loosing our progress when these morons joined, we vote-kicked them, only to have him reappear (INSTANTLY!!!!) beside us not in the group.

This guy is brazenly hacking.

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Anyway you or one of your friends could video this as it's happening and send that to Trion?
I would like to think they would want the information and it might help them to see whats going on.
I would so like to think they care.

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

Anyway you or one of your friends could video this as it's happening and send that to Trion?
I would like to think they would want the information and it might help them to see whats going on.
I would so like to think they care.

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It'd be nice to think they are capable of pulling info like that from the servers, you know, using computers to keep track of 'information', and all.... but your way is probably the one least likely to lead to the server crashing I guess.

Personally, I think you ought to go ahead and post the names of the offenders. Trot them out for EVERYONE to see, not just Trion.

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Originally Posted by crasher

It'd be nice to think they are capable of pulling info like that from the servers, you know, using computers to keep track of 'information', and all.... but your way is probably the one least likely to lead to the server crashing I guess.

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You would think right? The pvp hacking not hacking damage resistant perk stacking now it's all fixed but not really thing gives me my doubts.
Well that and other things not the least of which is Trick's "for realsies this time".

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

Anyway you or one of your friends could video this as it's happening and send that to Trion?
I would like to think they would want the information and it might help them to see whats going on.
I would so like to think they care.

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Indeed. I did try taking screenshots, especially of the guy getting vote-kicked to seem him insta-reappear. Funny thing those screenshots turned out to be all black.

I'm going to give this another go, it seems to happen every single time like we're being targeted or something and this time I'll fraps the entire thing.

One of my friends also found the hack that is for sale that does this. And strangely it is a hack tool with an entire arsenal of hacks at its disposal including a rapid free account creator. It also has what it touts as undetectable aim bots as well. But the feature, "go to any player regardless where they are in the world" feature seems to fit right up the ally of what's going on here.

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Originally Posted by N1ghtShadow

Personally, I think you ought to go ahead and post the names of the offenders. Trot them out for EVERYONE to see, not just Trion.

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I agree with this. Unity in Transparency! :)

I think names don't matter because now it's very easy to create new free account to replace the banned one. Trion should implement anti-cheat system and do it as soon as possible because with all those new free-to-play players cheats become common even in PvE. It can ruin the game much faster than usual Trion bugs.

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Originally Posted by Mike Chone

Indeed. I did try taking screenshots, especially of the guy getting vote-kicked to seem him insta-reappear. Funny thing those screenshots turned out to be all black.

I'm going to give this another go, it seems to happen every single time like we're being targeted or something and this time I'll fraps the entire thing.

One of my friends also found the hack that is for sale that does this. And strangely it is a hack tool with an entire arsenal of hacks at its disposal including a rapid free account creator. It also has what it touts as undetectable aim bots as well. But the feature, "go to any player regardless where they are in the world" feature seems to fit right up the ally of what's going on here.

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If you haven't done so already, might wanna email trion that website, might help them a bit on stopping it.
I thought the server was crashing, but I've experienced this too

Why do people have the need to cheat?...

This game is so easy the end game content we have is being taken on by carebears...

And it's not hard to join a clan to get friends to
Co-Op with... Most likely harder getting the hacks to dismiss the queues...

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Originally Posted by Mike Chone

Funny thing those screenshots turned out to be all black.

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To take screenshots, you need to be running the game in windowed mode, not fullscreen.

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Originally Posted by Lasse B

To take screenshots, you need to be running the game in windowed mode, not fullscreen.

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Unless you're using Steam, one of the benefits it's the easy screenshot stuff

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Originally Posted by GridSufer

Unless you're using Steam, one of the benefits it's the easy screenshot stuff

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Or using FRAPS.

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Originally Posted by GridSufer

Why do people have the need to cheat?...

This game is so easy the end game content we have is being taken on by carebears...

And it's not hard to join a clan to get friends to
Co-Op with... Most likely harder getting the hacks to dismiss the queues...

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I had this strange vision of all the volge in the game being replaced by Care Bears... :shudder:

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Originally Posted by GridSufer

Why do people have the need to cheat?...

This game is so easy the end game content we have is being taken on by carebears...

And it's not hard to join a clan to get friends to
Co-Op with... Most likely harder getting the hacks to dismiss the queues...

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It's a mental disorder. People cheat/hack just to p*** people off. They are also prone to stealing & vandalizing
in real life and have no consideration for other peoples property or feelings.

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Originally Posted by GridSufer

Why do people have the need to cheat?...

This game is so easy the end game content we have is being taken on by carebears...

And it's not hard to join a clan to get friends to
Co-Op with... Most likely harder getting the hacks to dismiss the queues...

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It's mostly a matter of not getting enough hugs as a kid, and not being able to leave a positive mark on the world, so they leave a skidmark instead.

Good cheaters hack hard games.
Incompetent/impotent cheaters have to settle for the easier games that had hack-resistant code left out.
It takes skill to hack a game that was properly coded.
ANYbody can steal the coins from a blind begger's cup.
QED.

It's all a matter of how hard the game is.
Well, there's also their own game play, and what they can get it up to.

Please ban all hackers They re killing us with shot in any multi player games/matches:mad::mad::mad:

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Originally Posted by JAMAICANWEED

Please ban all hackers They re killing us with shot in any multi player games/matches:mad::mad::mad:

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Are they sniping you with Surge Bolters? They can one-shot most things in the game, as well as people in PVP. This is by design from Trion.

Iam looking for hacks right now and i can't find any lol where did they get it from i don't know
iam just gonna stop playing MP games with others only the co-op jobz:mad:

People are not hacking, they're using the Surge Bolter to one shot kill you...

Welcome to Defiance :(

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Originally Posted by inox2980

I had this strange vision of all the volge in the game being replaced by Care Bears... :shudder:

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I will have nightmare of being in a siege and Trick dropping a giant Carebear into it for laughs...

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Originally Posted by GridSufer

I will have nightmare of being in a siege and Trick dropping a giant Carebear into it for laughs...

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That would be flippin' awesome -- of course that would require art/animation time...sad to say it will never happen.

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Originally Posted by inox2980

That would be flippin' awesome -- of course that would require art/animation time...sad to say it will never happen.

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Maybe it'll be the next big bad boss? After all Von Bach needs something to take over the world with...

And it doesn't need time and animation, I swear I saw some carebears on a
Stock website before now..

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Originally Posted by GridSufer

Maybe it'll be the next big bad boss? After all Von Bach needs something to take over the world with...

And it doesn't need time and animation, I swear I saw some carebears on a
Stock website before now..

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and they will make this new boss only take damage from volge style weapons while the boss being armed with a reaper and splitshot that is always charged.

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Originally Posted by Destroyer Deathsmane

and they will make this new boss only take damage from volge style weapons while the boss being armed with a reaper and splitshot that is always charged.

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I'm already petrified of this big bad boss!
Sounds as scary as a crystal monkey that can break dance and breath lasers...

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Originally Posted by GridSufer

I'm already petrified of this big bad boss!
Sounds as scary as a crystal monkey that can break dance and breath lasers...

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lol I have only been in one group that beat the disco monkey and i had the lowest score , barely broke 200k so i need to practice that fight more to get better.

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Originally Posted by Destroyer Deathsmane

and they will make this new boss only take damage from volge style weapons while the boss being armed with a reaper and splitshot that is always charged.

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Oooh, ooh, the boss is armed with a reaper, an always charged splitshot, one of those Advanced weapon Smashers and an unlimited ammo EMC Firebreather rocket launcher. How FUN would that be?!!?!?

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Originally Posted by inox2980

Oooh, ooh, the boss is armed with a reaper, an always charged splitshot, one of those Advanced weapon Smashers and an unlimited ammo EMC Firebreather rocket launcher. How FUN would that be?!!?!?

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Man sounds like Chuck Norris' evil twin!

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Originally Posted by GridSufer

Man sounds like Chuck Norris' evil twin!

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He'd totally kill you....repeatedly and continuously until you agreed to love Care Bears.

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Originally Posted by inox2980

He'd totally kill you....repeatedly and continuously until you agreed to love Care Bears.

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Never! I shall never love a Carebear!
I shall sooner go into PvP wielding the Surge Bolter and Protection spikes!

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Originally Posted by GridSufer

Never! I shall never love a Carebear!
I shall sooner go into PvP wielding the Surge Bolter and Protection spikes!

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Killjoy - fine, use regular non one-shot weapons. See if I care..

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Originally Posted by inox2980

Killjoy - fine, use regular non one-shot weapons. See if I care..

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I shall use my starter pistol and AR with great joy! I don't care if I come 15 every time, I'll know deep down in my heart I am doing the right thing..
Mwahaha ha!

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Originally Posted by GridSufer

I shall use my starter pistol and AR with great joy! I don't care if I come 15 every time, I'll know deep down in my heart I am doing the right thing..
Mwahaha ha!

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I wish I still had my starter pistol....that thing was awesome.