What's with all of the haters?

I realize this post will probably bring a lot of hatred my way, but I just have to get this out there. It seems like the forums are filled with negative comments about how this game has let them down, or how technical issues make the game unplayable. I personally have had little issue with the game on PC. I find it to be pretty entertaining. That being said, if I had issues with the game I wouldn't waste time complaining here, I would move on and find a new game that doesn't drive me insane with anger.

This analogy might not make sense to most of the people that are obsessively complaining, but I'll try anyways. Imagine you are in a bad relationship. You know it, and he/she knows it. It's best to just cut your losses and move on. When you hang around your ex's apartment and try to bad mouth them to every person walking by, it kinda makes you look a little crazy. And more than a little pathetic. I know you feel jaded. I get it. But guess what? That's life. Instead of dedicating so much time and energy to something you obviously hate, go find something new to love. Leave Defiance to the people that enjoy it.

This isn't directed to the people offering constructive criticism. I welcome any feedback that attempts to improve the game or the over all experience. I am just getting tired of the hatred and negativity. It's a game. It's supposed to be fun. If you aren't having fun, then go and try to find it elsewhere.

-Castris Tarano aka RiseAgainstDaMan

Because..........

Stick around my friend... stick around.

but on a more serious note, it is often due to individuals' inabilities to convey their frustrations in the form of constructive criticisms.

It's been tried, many times over.

I totally agree with what you're saying. I love Defiance and I am a die hard player, but I have to say I disagree/loathe the below changes they made to the game:

Grenade System - unneeded/not wanted
Claim system with Stims/Grenades - seriously, WTF? I have 96 items in my claim section and it is growing by the day. They should add a breakdown button in the claims section or find another way of handling this.
Disconnects in Arkfalls/breaks
Disappearing cars while in use

Now, those are my pain points, and there are several threads covering stuff more in-depth. The Trion team keeps shooting themselves in the foot with unpopular and unintended changes to the game. These changes make people very unhappy as the game was working just fine and they either get upset, or leave.

Have I left despite all these negative changes to the game? No. Will I leave if stuff breaks again, I don't know. But, I would rather not have to make the choice if Trion would stop breaking their own game.

I'm sure not sticking around if they don't fix the loot tables. There you go, that is how you can get rid of me guys, by not fixing the loot tables.

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Originally Posted by RiseAgainstDaMan

It's a game. It's supposed to be fun.

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So when a game doesn't perform like it should (or how it's intended to perform), and it stops being as fun as it used to be... then what? I'm just supposed to quickly forget about the $60-70 that I've invested on it, and simply move on to greener pastures? Sorry, but I don't quit on things that easily.

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Originally Posted by inox2980

Have I left despite all these negative changes to the game? No. Will I leave if stuff breaks again, I don't know. But, I would rather not have to make the choice if Trion would stop breaking their own game.

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Quoted for truth.

We care more about and know more about the game then Trion does. I love the idea for this game, MMO Borderlands, and I prefer the 3rd person view. I don't leave because there is no other option out there yet. Firefall is the closest, it's crazy but that game might have more issues then Defiance and I just didn't like how it played too.

No I agree with you. You don't have to quit. But there are people who's only effort to change things is bash the game and the development team. It just doesn't seem productive to me.

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Originally Posted by RiseAgainstDaMan

No I agree with you. You don't have to quit. But there are people who's only effort to change things is bash the game and the development team. It just doesn't seem productive to me.

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Well, that's definitely the truth. As with most online games, there always seems to be a subset of people that complain/bash just to do so.

There are also those people that get off on being griefers -- think people breaking the Warmaster locks on purpose with only 5 people in the room.

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Originally Posted by RiseAgainstDaMan

But there are people who's only effort to change things is bash the game and the development team.

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I completely agree, but unfortunately it has become the norm over the past several years. I choose to blame bad parenting. ;)

Defiance is a good game when you're playing through the story missions, but it's a sh*tty game when you look at it as a persistent world MMO. Most of the posters here are in that second, post-story phase of the game, hence the discontent.

Basically, Trion built an MMO with a PvE focus when they should have built a lobby-based PvP game with a single-player campaign.

I don't know what any of you are talking about, hehe.
I just want the dang thing set back the way it is supposed to be and I will want to play again.

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Originally Posted by RiseAgainstDaMan

I realize this post will probably bring a lot of hatred my way, but I just have to get this out there. It seems like the forums are filled with negative comments about how this game has let them down, or how technical issues make the game unplayable. I personally have had little issue with the game on PC. I find it to be pretty entertaining. That being said, if I had issues with the game I wouldn't waste time complaining here, I would move on and find a new game that doesn't drive me insane with anger.

This analogy might not make sense to most of the people that are obsessively complaining, but I'll try anyways. Imagine you are in a bad relationship. You know it, and he/she knows it. It's best to just cut your losses and move on. When you hang around your ex's apartment and try to bad mouth them to every person walking by, it kinda makes you look a little crazy. And more than a little pathetic. I know you feel jaded. I get it. But guess what? That's life. Instead of dedicating so much time and energy to something you obviously hate, go find something new to love. Leave Defiance to the people that enjoy it.

This isn't directed to the people offering constructive criticism. I welcome any feedback that attempts to improve the game or the over all experience. I am just getting tired of the hatred and negativity. It's a game. It's supposed to be fun. If you aren't having fun, then go and try to find it elsewhere.

-Castris Tarano aka RiseAgainstDaMan

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I completely agree with you, there is a lot of negativity without construction here. I usually only come to forum for trading, but sometimes I like to read & comment, but recently its almost too depressing. I don't understand why people create an exit/quitting thread; nobody cares, just go and play another game. I wouldn't expect anyone to care if I left, but I'm not leaving yet, I still enjoy the game "in all it's broken glory" (quote stolen from another player)

I understand why people trash this game, its probably because it was trash when it released and its still trash. I'm utterly surprised people are still into defiance, I have low standards when it comes to game and defiance has shown me they can go lower.

I've seen seagulls nesting that was more interesting than defiance, but don't let me spoil your fun, go log in and enjoy your substandard product while watching Triton employees jump ship all the while your saying to yourself "maybe I should make a thread listing all the problems that's been listed for the last 6 months" They just might listen lol

For that reason please repair the game.

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Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p

I completely agree, but unfortunately it has become the norm over the past several years. I choose to blame bad parenting. ;)

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And public schooling!

On topic. I love the game. I do not like how it is being handled.

When changes are made that are game breaking to the point that a large chunk of the player base quits, eyebrows should be raised, not shoulders shrugged.

When things are not implemented that have been stated would be, causing a large chunk of the player base quits, action should be taken, not excuses made.

The forum is a place where ppl that have an interest in the game can congregate and bounce ideas, relieve frustration, ask for guidance, and talk about the game. Some ppl are going to say things that you don't agree with. Opinions differ.

I actually get a kick from grieving "griefers" from time to time, but at the end of the day, they are really only complaining about the same issues everyone else may be having and just lash out instead of being constructive.

The joy of the world that we live in, is that we can simply "turn them off." Not feed into their wallow of despair. I'm sure you've seen something on TV that you don't agree with. Simply skip over it and change the channel.

Defiance is a good game, but it has a lot of issues and there's not enough VISIBLE effort or resources being put in the right directions to enhance and secure the future of the game. That upsets people, to feel like a game they've invested in, emotionally, and somewhat financially might just fall over and die. (Okay, we've all probably got our money's worth by now, most games don't last as long as MMOs do replayability-wise). Personally, I think it may be because they're working on next season's episode content, and the DLCs are falling short because it's taking them longer than they expected or they're hitting roadblocks they're too afraid to tell us about.

Whatever it is, I've got to be okay it and be patient. Defiance managed to hold my interest longer than I expected, it saved me from FFXIV and countless other MMORPGs that would have CONSUMED me with their endless grinds and gear-chases. I'm able to play this game more or less casually and enjoy it, while also doing my best to enjoy the setting in other ways, like roleplaying here on the forums, or drawing my characters.

So anyway, while I understand why a lot of people are angry, I know getting angry probably isn't going to do anything good. The best way to show them you care is to show your support in whatever way you can. Suggestions are great, insults are not. We're not in elementary school where pulling a girl's hair meant you liked her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew_tdY0V4Zo

Yes that's right... I quit!

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Originally Posted by Amack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew_tdY0V4Zo

Yes that's right... I quit!

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Too scared to click -- I don't want to be rickrolled.

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Originally Posted by inox2980

Too scared to click -- I don't want to be rickrolled.

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Doctor said it gonna beaight.

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Originally Posted by RiseAgainstDaMan

But there are people who's only effort to change things is bash the game and the development team. It just doesn't seem productive to me.

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Patience and nice words have been tried for over half a year now. And the game has degraded continuously since day 1. What those of us who play the game for several months now have learned is that patience and nice words obviously don't work.

What's going to happen if Trion doesn't come around is that people will make use of uglier and uglier wordings to finally get Trion not only to listen, but to undertake the necessary steps to rid the game of its many bugs and to add more content. IMHO they're on the right track with the latter, but it's really tiny drip by tiny drip when they should use buckets to fill the barrel. It really shows that Defiance isn't an MMO, but an online shooter.

Bioware and Mass Effect 3 are a good example. The fans were dissatisfied with how ME3 ended. They voiced their opinions on the forum and got ignored. It very soon turned into a shytestorm. The two CEOs of Bioware felt butthurt and left. And the players got an extended ending. Did they ask for one? Yes, but not how Bioware interpreted it. What players wanted was that the decisions they made in the two prequels mattered and influenced how ME3 ended. Bioware ignored that.

What is going on in these here forums right now is quite harmless. I am surprised people are giving Defiance that much leeway. If the powers that be keep ignoring the players, the atmosphere in the forums here will get much worse and even more (of the wrong) heads at Trion will roll. There already were massive layoffs a couple of months ago.

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Originally Posted by Lasse B

What is going on in these here forums right now is quite harmless. I am surprised people are giving Defiance that much leeway. If the powers that be keep ignoring the players, the atmosphere in the forums here will get much worse and even more (of the wrong) heads at Trion will roll. There already were massive layoffs a couple of months ago.

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Words to the wise right there.

Ugly words wont work ether.

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Originally Posted by Lasse B

It really shows that Defiance isn't an MMO, but an online shooter.

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This is the crux of it though. It is an MMO. it just isn't an MMORPG that a lot of ppl want it turned into.

Personally, I love that it's not RPG. It is exactly what it was touted to be, or at least used to be, before a large chunk of the player base quit. Now it's more like a:

"Not quite so massive, nor as multiple player as we'd like, online third person shooter"

My only issue is the stability, chat, storyline, and more map. I could give a rats patootie about the rest! If I wanted even half of what a lot of ppl on here whine and moan about, I'd play the f uckin' Sims.

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Originally Posted by rebtattoo

"Not quite so massive, nor as multiple player as we'd like, online third person shooter"

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wwwhhhheeeeeeewwwww.. deep breath... deep breath... don't laugh anymore. Stop laughing. Wheeww I can't breath.

My only issue is that Defiance developers can't do basic math and obviously spreadsheets are way beyond them too. How hard is it to write rules regarding what rolls can and cannot happen on weapons? Not very if you did any kind of planning before implementing the feature. Seriously though, if they even put a small amount of effort into thinking about the decisions they make, this game could be amazing. Unfortunately, they spend more effort thinking of ways to break grenades and increase the damage of the surge bolter instead.

Trion, are you there?
Trion, this is Houston, do you copy?
Please don't tell Houston you are drunk again and doing cartwheels in 0 gravity.
Trion, do you copy?
Well listen Trion, we are receiving some weird readings on one of our monitors here and would like you to confirm.
Trion, do you copy?
This is SERIOUS, Trion we need you to respond. Do you copy?
-Audible long sigh-
Alright Trion, don't listen to Houston if you don't want to, that is entirely up to you.
According to our monitors you don't have much longer before being vaporized by instant particle reversal into the 4th dimension and then we will have to once again rescue you with picks and shovels.
Trion, do you copy?
Trion, this is Houston, do you copy?


To the readers of this fine thread - prepare all of yourselves to be burned in the upper atmosphere here shortly.

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Originally Posted by Amack

Trion, are you there?
Trion, this is Houston, do you copy?
Please don't tell Houston you are drunk again and doing cartwheels in 0 gravity.
Trion, do you copy?
Well listen Trion, we are receiving some weird readings on one of our monitors here and would like you to confirm.
Trion, do you copy?
This is SERIOUS, Trion we need you to respond. Do you copy?
-Audible long sigh-
Alright Trion, don't listen to Houston if you don't want to, that is entirely up to you.
According to our monitors you don't have much longer before being vaporized by instant particle reversal into the 4th dimension and then we will have to once again rescue you with picks and shovels.
Trion, do you copy?
Trion, this is Houston, do you copy?


To the readers of this fine thread - prepare all of yourselves to be burned in the upper atmosphere here shortly.

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Are you trolling to see this again:

"Roger, Houston!

We're showing that this thread has lost too much relative velocity and is now locked into a decaying orbit. For that reason we are going to manually guide it into a high angle entry path and hopefully burn it up in the upper levels of the atmosphere before it can impact the surface and cause any damage. Some of you in the latitudes below the Arctic Circle may see a brilliant flash for a bit, and we hope you take that opportunity to make a New Year's wish!"

along with a possible time-out? :)

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Originally Posted by Calysia

Are you trolling to see this again:

"Roger, Houston!

We're showing that this thread has lost too much relative velocity and is now locked into a decaying orbit. For that reason we are going to manually guide it into a high angle entry path and hopefully burn it up in the upper levels of the atmosphere before it can impact the surface and cause any damage. Some of you in the latitudes below the Arctic Circle may see a brilliant flash for a bit, and we hope you take that opportunity to make a New Year's wish!"

along with a possible time-out? :)

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We have to end this thread somehow... might as well go out with a bang.

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Originally Posted by RiseAgainstDaMan

I realize this post will probably bring a lot of hatred my way, but I just have to get this out there. It seems like the forums are filled with negative comments about how this game has let them down, or how technical issues make the game unplayable. I personally have had little issue with the game on PC. I find it to be pretty entertaining. That being said, if I had issues with the game I wouldn't waste time complaining here, I would move on and find a new game that doesn't drive me insane with anger.

This analogy might not make sense to most of the people that are obsessively complaining, but I'll try anyways. Imagine you are in a bad relationship. You know it, and he/she knows it. It's best to just cut your losses and move on. When you hang around your ex's apartment and try to bad mouth them to every person walking by, it kinda makes you look a little crazy. And more than a little pathetic. I know you feel jaded. I get it. But guess what? That's life. Instead of dedicating so much time and energy to something you obviously hate, go find something new to love. Leave Defiance to the people that enjoy it.

This isn't directed to the people offering constructive criticism. I welcome any feedback that attempts to improve the game or the over all experience. I am just getting tired of the hatred and negativity. It's a game. It's supposed to be fun. If you aren't having fun, then go and try to find it elsewhere.

-Castris Tarano aka RiseAgainstDaMan

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I'm willing to believe that:

Since you burned up post #3 on this thread starter that you haven't been here for the months of discussion/suggestions/pleading that devolved into realization that TRION has little interest in the people who play the game.

Stick around, or don't.
But coming in at the end means you missed the whole movie.
So your depth of analysis is weak at best.

::shrugg::

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Originally Posted by crasher

I'm willing to believe that:

Since you burned up post #3 on this thread starter that you haven't been here for the months of discussion/suggestions/pleading that devolved into realization that TRION has little interest in the people who play the game.

Stick around, or don't.
But coming in at the end means you missed the whole movie.
So your analysis is weak at best.

::shrugg::

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Darn you... darn you for being on topic... darn you to the time out corner!

Most of us don't want to be "haters", but some problems don't get resolve or, dare I said, seem to be ignored.

I really want to love this game, but the issues just get in the way

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Originally Posted by Calysia

along with a possible time-out? :)

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I have yet to be sent to the time out corner today. It is very nice to be able to login easily.
But it is early yet... we'll see what happens in this episode of Trolling Trion To Fix The Game.

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Originally Posted by RiseAgainstDaMan

No I agree with you. You don't have to quit. But there are people who's only effort to change things is bash the game and the development team. It just doesn't seem productive to me.

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I'm going to buy a mink mitten, so I can soothingly pat the devs foreheads and reassure them that any effort they make is going to be judged solely on intent, completely independent of how jekk'd the game ends up.

I think people should just wait until mid january for details to arrive then determine what they want to do.

Obviously i'm not over joyed how this game is run but i do enjoy the game and i've met some good people in game and on this forum, which helps me enjoy the game more and more, the bugs are annoying, the weapons are dazzling and the game needs fixes and GUI updates yesterday, but they will come when they come...

Attacking the Devs 24/7 will not bring them any faster, you've all said they have a small crew now, so how fast can these few people really work on such a large game, not very..

I agree the people running Trion have lost their direction on this game but blaming the poor shmucks that are left coding this thing is wrong in my opinion...

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Originally Posted by DanteYoda

Attacking the Devs 24/7 will not bring them any faster, you've all said they have a small crew now, so how fast can these few people really work on such a large game, not very..

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It should only take as fast as logging into a VPN. Which does not require more than 1 person.

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Originally Posted by Amack

It should only take as fast as logging into a VPN. Which does not require more than 1 person.

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I don't get what you mean? Why would they need a VPN to code the game?

The code is on servers is it not? I know they don't run so well, but they are servers none the less.

Trion does not host Defiance, I think they were or are hosting Trove.

@ Trion - Go ahead, login to the server farm vpn... you can do it! you caaaaan do it! you can do it!