Simple request: Hire the original DEV's back

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Originally Posted by Synther

Because that is how it works. There isn't a question here...that is simply how it is. If you think that SyFy, the owners of the license, are going to allow a third party to create canon lore without having the defacto final say on whether it is allowed or not shows that you are living in a world where the sky is pink and the oceans are made of marshmallow cream.

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actually TRION owns the IP license and have final say on any lore additions to the game and work with SyFy to ensure that the lore is consistant between the game and show (i.e. they do not add anything the show can not do and the show does not do the same)

post #315 by Dahanese

http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...04#post1375004

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Originally Posted by Destroyer Deathsmane

actually TRION owns the IP license and have final say on any lore additions to the game and work with SyFy to ensure that the lore is consistant between the game and show (i.e. they do not add anything the show can not do and the show does not do the same)

post #315 by Dahanese

http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...04#post1375004

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I thought I read that around here somewhere.

So now bring on the alien Canadian samurai bacon herders.

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

I thought I read that around here somewhere.

So now bring on the alien Canadian samurai bacon herders.

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so did I and i thought it was dahanese who said it so i looked it up

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Originally Posted by Destroyer Deathsmane

actually TRION owns the IP license and have final say on any lore additions to the game and work with SyFy to ensure that the lore is consistant between the game and show (i.e. they do not add anything the show can not do and the show does not do the same)

post #315 by Dahanese

http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...04#post1375004

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Regardless of whether it came from Dahanese or not, I find that highly suspect. You never have two owners of intellectual property. SyFy created the IP of Defiance and then contracted Trion to make the game. Yes, SyFy works with Trion and vice versa to make sure that things are consistent, but it isn't like Trion can just invent lore without SyFy's go ahead. To think otherwise is comedic in it's naivete. But go ahead and keep believing that if you want to...without people like that, I wouldn't have anyone to laugh at in my daily life.

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Originally Posted by Synther

Regardless of whether it came from Dahanese or not, I find that highly suspect. You never have two owners of intellectual property. SyFy created the IP of Defiance and then contracted Trion to make the game. Yes, SyFy works with Trion and vice versa to make sure that things are consistent, but it isn't like Trion can just invent lore without SyFy's go ahead. To think otherwise is comedic in it's naivete. But go ahead and keep believing that if you want to...without people like that, I wouldn't have anyone to laugh at in my daily life.

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How sad for you.

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Originally Posted by rebtattoo

Seriously dude? I disputed you in another thread on this very issue, which you chose to ignore and not respond to. And, in another thread you stated that I may want to "do more research before making a statement," or some such nonsense.

I believe, it is you sir, that should research your assertions.

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Just place him on ignore. The poor guy actually pm'd me to say he didn't like me and that all I do is make snide remarks and rip on other people. He said he put me on ignore and that I should do the same to him. Kind of hilarious given how he interacts with people on these boards. He's just upset that I talked bad about his precious site and called him out for his attitude.

It doesn't matter whether the comment was said in jest or not, it's fitting to the entire DLC concept. They are definitely going to be alien otherwise it wouldn't be defiance. They're coming from canada so they're definitely going to be canadian and it's definitely going to be samurai related because you've seen the new outfit and the names of the weapon, only a fool or someone just arguing for the sake of arguing couldn't see what it's going to be about. They're even introduceing a new charge blade which will most likely just be a longer thinner version of the current charge blade or a charged version of the naginata.

http://i41.tinypic.com/29531fk.jpg

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

Just place him on ignore. The poor guy actually pm'd me to say he didn't like me and that all I do is make snide remarks and rip on other people. He said he put me on ignore and that I should do the same to him. Kind of hilarious given how he interacts with people on these boards. He's just upset that I talked bad about his precious site and called him out for his attitude.

It doesn't matter whether the comment was said in jest or not, it's fitting to the entire DLC concept. They are definitely going to be alien otherwise it wouldn't be defiance. They're coming from canada so they're definitely going to be canadian and it's definitely going to be samurai related because you've seen the new outfit and the names of the weapon, only a fool or someone just arguing for the sake of arguing couldn't see what it's going to be about. They're even introduceing a new charge blade which will most likely just be a longer thinner version of the current charge blade or a charged version of the naginata.

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Sometimes I just being the big spoon! ;)

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Originally Posted by Synther

Regardless of whether it came from Dahanese or not, I find that highly suspect. You never have two owners of intellectual property. SyFy created the IP of Defiance and then contracted Trion to make the game. Yes, SyFy works with Trion and vice versa to make sure that things are consistent, but it isn't like Trion can just invent lore without SyFy's go ahead. To think otherwise is comedic in it's naivete. But go ahead and keep believing that if you want to...without people like that, I wouldn't have anyone to laugh at in my daily life.

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read the post from Dahanese , she clearly says that TRION owns the IP . TRION works with SyFy to maintain some sembelence of lore and story consistancy between the game and show .

You will never find out the true details about the agreement. So why waste any further breath on it?

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Originally Posted by Destroyer Deathsmane

read the post from Dahanese , she clearly says that TRION owns the IP . TRION works with SyFy to maintain some sembelence of lore and story consistancy between the game and show .

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So, you choose to believe that Trion came up with the entire concept of Defiance then and SyFy decided to create a show based on the video game. That is what you just said.

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

Just place him on ignore. The poor guy actually pm'd me to say he didn't like me and that all I do is make snide remarks and rip on other people. He said he put me on ignore and that I should do the same to him. Kind of hilarious given how he interacts with people on these boards. He's just upset that I talked bad about his precious site and called him out for his attitude.

It doesn't matter whether the comment was said in jest or not, it's fitting to the entire DLC concept. They are definitely going to be alien otherwise it wouldn't be defiance. They're coming from canada so they're definitely going to be canadian and it's definitely going to be samurai related because you've seen the new outfit and the names of the weapon, only a fool or someone just arguing for the sake of arguing couldn't see what it's going to be about. They're even introduceing a new charge blade which will most likely just be a longer thinner version of the current charge blade or a charged version of the naginata.

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The lore didn't say they were aliens. They banded together under the code of Bushido, which as far as I know is a Japanese thing and I am pretty sure Japanese people are not aliens. Although, being as they did not tell us for sure, I suppose there is a chance they are aliens who adopted the Bushido way and have been traveling across Canada to find a city that had not fallen (Manhattan, which humans would know to look for, but I am not sure aliens would, again, who knows for sure though.)

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After reading my comment again, I see it may come off as snarky or mean spirited. This was not my intention. I apologize if it came of in such a manner. I am not known for putting things politely and the like, I am more of a straight forward type person.

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Originally Posted by McClane

I have lost all faith in the new DEV team....at least the original DEV's had a clue on what is going on...I'm sure this game would have been going in the right direction 9 months later had they still been around...instead we get swords added to a shooter...consumable grenades(like we really needed that)....and so on...I'm too tired to list everything...but you get the point.

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I don't care if Trion hires the old devs back or just hires new devs. All I ask is for any proof that more than one person, anybody other than just Trick, is still working on Defiance.

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Originally Posted by InfamousBrad

I don't care if Trion hires the old devs back or just hires new devs. All I ask is for any proof that more than one person, anybody other than just Trick, is still working on Defiance.

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Trick may as well not count as a Dev, he makes so many "accidental" mistakes

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Originally Posted by Synther

Because that is how it works. There isn't a question here...that is simply how it is. If you think that SyFy, the owners of the license, are going to allow a third party to create canon lore without having the defacto final say on whether it is allowed or not shows that you are living in a world where the sky is pink and the oceans are made of marshmallow cream.

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SyFy are not the owners of the license, Trion are....

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Originally Posted by Vendor Valerie

Trick may as well not count as a Dev, he makes so many "accidental" mistakes

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Awwww, c'mon now... it's not entirely his fault.

http://ajaymccaleb.com/images/SimAlcoholism.jpg

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Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p

Awwww, c'mon now... it's not entirely his fault.

http://ajaymccaleb.com/images/SimAlcoholism.jpg

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Okay, that was pretty funny.

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

Okay, that was pretty funny.

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Ok, yeah, funny.
We DO poke fun at The Devs, and I think, (or at least I hope) that it's mostly in a friendly kinda way.

I personally don't give a rat's butt whether Trick has a beer or two on a casual Friday afternoon while stuff is winding down.
I've done production work, I know you work 14-18 hour days more often than people realize.
And I ran family based construction crews where we did 2 weeks of work every 8 days.
And I know that you can't do it for long without just breaking a few dishes once in a while.
As long as you hit milestones, and you've done your best before you burn it up.
You just know not to mix the responsible stuff with the whacky stuff.

I don't doubt Trick and a lot of the guys put in the time when they mostly need to.
I do take exception to the feeling we got that the place mostly shut down for weeks over than the Christmas break. The point of that was that it was a long drawn out time frame, and it felt like nobody was at the helm, right after they released the DLC..

But putting in a 70+ hour week by Friday morning?
Finish up your production by a late lunch, and just do creative meetings after that.
I'd buy the first round or two at lunch myself, assuming they weren't expecting to finish the coding that afternoon.

I'm just saying that as torqued as we get at a lot of stuff, those guys are still just people.
Maybe not enough people. Maybe with ideas we don't like. But just people.

And to be clear, they do p!ss me off a lot of the time.


Just sayin'.

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Originally Posted by Escyos

And as I have stated, although experience tells me that no one here gets sarcasm, is that that was a JOKE post.

Tell you what if DLC3 comes out and they really are Canadian alien samurais (has to be all three) then I will make a public apology thread to you all. I don't expect the same back as 99% of the users here are little whiny children.

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OK, sorry to be a few pages late on this one, but I'm backing you 100% on this one.
I'll make a public apology thread too AND post a picture of me doing a handstand.

It saddens me to see a spontaneous joke post by a dev turned into a hate-fest for yet unreleased content... We are so lucky to have real people posting / vlogging about this game and some guys apparently want to scare them off now. Would you rather have moderating robots instead ?
(that wasn't directed at you, Tyrannos :p)


PS : this is the second post where I feel compelled to tell forumers to chill out ! Learn patience, learn to take a joke too. Pleeeeeeeease.

I'm an old gamer. I remember a time without patches, without previews, without customer support. No late fixes, just NO fixes. Never EVER. Only expensive buggy cartridges and a sad look on my face. I mean communication might not be perfect, but do you realize how lucky we are to be able to interact with the team??

Now people are like "OMG a bug! Company, fix this NOW! What, still no fix, it's been 3 SECONDS already!!". Then a dev will show up somewhere and go "Hi guys"... big mistake, sh!t-rockets locked in, fire at will on the poor guy... :( We're far from the standards of "paying customers" claimed by many here. We're just unruly spoiled brats.

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Originally Posted by Tsort

OK, sorry to be a few pages late on this one, but I'm backing you 100% on this one.
I'll make a public apology thread too AND post a picture of me doing a handstand.

It saddens me to see a spontaneous joke post by a dev turned into a hate-fest for yet unreleased content... We are so lucky to have real people posting / vlogging about this game and some guys apparently want to scare them off now. Would you rather have moderating robots instead ?
(that wasn't directed at you, Tyrannos :p)


PS : this is the second post where I feel compelled to tell forumers to chill out ! Learn patience, learn to take a joke too. Pleeeeeeeease.

I'm an old gamer. I remember a time without patches, without previews, without customer support. No late fixes, just NO fixes. Never EVER. Only expensive buggy cartridges and a sad look on my face. I mean communication might not be perfect, but do you realize how lucky we are to be able to interact with the team??

Now people are like "OMG a bug! Company, fix this NOW! What, still no fix, it's been 3 SECONDS already!!". Then a dev will show up somewhere and go "Hi guys"... big mistake, sh!t-rockets locked in, fire at will on the poor guy... :( We're far from the standards of "paying customers" claimed by many here. We're just unruly spoiled brats.

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If you want to talk about skills, then talk about twice chat systems fail, turret's craptor and coop arena solo, but the problem is not the dev's skills or technicals issue they encounter, the problem is the choice they make.
Example, why did they choose to revamp grenade system?
Why did they choose to create post-apocalyptic alien canadian samurai? (and don't tell me that an Irathian with a "ronin" weapon and a sugegasa hat is not post-apocalyptic alien canadian samurai shtako)

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Originally Posted by Blondin

If you want to talk about skills, then talk about twice chat systems fail, turret's craptor and coop arena solo, but the problem is not the dev's skills or technicals issue they encounter, the problem is the choice they make.
Example, why did they choose to revamp grenade system?

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Dude, don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the ludicrous grenade rework decision, broken chat, etc. I'll also agree the whole grenadegate was, among other issues, a huge and useless waste of their time. But to whine about things that are not yet released based on speculations and unfair quoting of a Dev's joke post... that's a whole different story. Or to bury the last patch and flame the team after they tried to fix a bunch of issues we've been dealing with for quite some time... or another example, Trick says the chat will probably be fixed with DLC3 and people answer "a DLC is not meant to fix things"... I mean gimme a break, do we want things done here or are we just trolling? My point is there's a time to say "boo", a time to say "thank you" and also a time to wait. It seems like only the first one is relevant on these boards and I'm tired of that.

EDIT : I mean just read the title of this thread. It is moronic and uncalled for. I'm glad the moderators are cool enough to let it go without censoring it. I'm also glad that stuff doesn't seem to bother a guy like Trick who keeps on keeping on. If I were him I'd start questioning whether I still want to work, fix problems and do livestreams for people who borderline insult me on a daily basis.

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Originally Posted by Tsort

My point is there's a time to say "boo", a time to say "thank you" and also a time to wait. It seems like only the first one is relevant on these boards and I'm tired of that.

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If you think this sort of thing only happens around here, you clearly need to get out more.

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Originally Posted by Tsort

Dude, don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the ludicrous grenade rework decision, broken chat, etc. I'll also agree the whole grenadegate was, among other issues, a huge and useless waste of their time. But to whine about things that are not yet released based on speculations and unfair quoting of a Dev's joke post... that's a whole different story. Or to bury the last patch and flame the team after they tried to fix a bunch of issues we've been dealing with for quite some time... or another example, Trick says the chat will probably be fixed with DLC3 and people answer "a DLC is not meant to fix things"... I mean gimme a break, do we want things done here or are we just trolling? My point is there's a time to say "boo", a time to say "thank you" and also a time to wait. It seems like only the first one is relevant on these boards and I'm tired of that.

EDIT : I mean just read the title of this thread. It is moronic and uncalled for. I'm glad the moderators are cool enough to let it go without censoring it. I'm also glad that stuff doesn't seem to bother a guy like Trick who keeps on keeping on. If I were him I'd start questioning whether I still want to work, fix problems and do livestreams for people who borderline insult me on a daily basis.

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Don't get me wrong too, when I (and I guess a lot of ppl) started to play Defiance I was enthusiastic, very enthusiastic in fact, this game had a great potential and was a lot of fun to play, a bit unfinished, and lacking of simple things. At this time we were all behind devs team, and we supported them.
Then they started to do shtako, to lie and to do bad choices.

They are the only responsible for that, when you do your job in the good way, ppl are happy, when you do your job in the wrong way ppl are angry. If they didn't do all that shtako, you wouldn't see all those threads and bad vibes on the forum.

It's more than 9 months that we are in the "time to wait" part, so yeah ppl are pessimistic, and when Trion comes up with an overdone "samurai" idea dlc, yeah ppl no longer believe in that shtako, now they are susceptible...

Btw I hope that they are bothering about all of this, because when you do bad job, you need to question yourself to be better next time.

edit : when I talk about "devs team", it's not the guy who do the code, it's the guy who is the director and make the choices, also the guy who design marketing stuff.

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

Just place him on ignore. The poor guy actually pm'd me to say he didn't like me and that all I do is make snide remarks and rip on other people. He said he put me on ignore and that I should do the same to him. Kind of hilarious given how he interacts with people on these boards. He's just upset that I talked bad about his precious site and called him out for his attitude. .

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Still, after how helpful you always are, it seems crazy for someone to do that. That guy always seems to have the worst attitude.

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Originally Posted by Tsort

Dude, don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the ludicrous grenade rework decision, broken chat, etc. I'll also agree the whole grenadegate was, among other issues, a huge and useless waste of their time. But to whine about things that are not yet released based on speculations and unfair quoting of a Dev's joke post... that's a whole different story. Or to bury the last patch and flame the team after they tried to fix a bunch of issues we've been dealing with for quite some time... or another example, Trick says the chat will probably be fixed with DLC3 and people answer "a DLC is not meant to fix things"... I mean gimme a break, do we want things done here or are we just trolling? My point is there's a time to say "boo", a time to say "thank you" and also a time to wait. It seems like only the first one is relevant on these boards and I'm tired of that.

EDIT : I mean just read the title of this thread. It is moronic and uncalled for. I'm glad the moderators are cool enough to let it go without censoring it. I'm also glad that stuff doesn't seem to bother a guy like Trick who keeps on keeping on. If I were him I'd start questioning whether I still want to work, fix problems and do livestreams for people who borderline insult me on a daily basis.

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Just so you understand how things work:

BEFORE they spend 2 months of programming time and money - they can decide to do something different if they find out the customers don't want it.

AFTER they spend 2 months ignoring the customers, and spend that 2 months of Time and money programing stuff the customers don't want - IT'S ALREADY TOO LATE. The money and time is already gone, and we're stuck with it. They can't unburn the house down. They ain't gonna write off the 2 months, they're gonna spend 2 MORE months 'modifying' it, but we're still stuck with something we didn't want and now it's *6* months later, because those additional 2 months were in the middle where they denied there was an issue.

Flaming them for "Or to bury the last patch and flame the team after they tried to fix a bunch of issues we've been dealing with for quite some time... "
You mean where they get around to fixing stuff AFTER they spend 2 months creating a grenade system we didn't want, creating a salvage mode that doesn't work, and an INV system that has eaten months worth of work some players put into the game? Sorry, too late, move along... yer outta luck.

There's an issue with creativity and Dev work in the game.
Deny it if you want, but if they were making 'Better' decisions, the game would be thriving, and the player base would be strong.
If they make poor decisions and implement them badly, people play other games instead.

I want them to make this a game lots of people want to stick with.

They want to make this a game people shrugg and walk away from.

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or another example, Trick says the chat will probably be fixed with DLC3 and people answer "a DLC is not meant to fix things"... I mean gimme a break, do we want things done here or are we just trolling?"

DLC: Down Loadable Content - Content... New Stuff.

Hot Fix: The place where you fix the shtako you broke, or the shtako you jekked up the first few times.

We *BUY* the DLCs.

They *OWE* us the Hot Fixes.

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Just so you understand how things work:

BEFORE they spend 2 months of programming time and money - they can decide to do something different if they find out the customers don't want it.

AFTER they spend 2 months ignoring the customers, and spend that 2 months of Time and money programing stuff the customers don't want - IT'S ALREADY TOO LATE. The money and time is already gone, and we're stuck with it. They can't unburn the house down. They ain't gonna write off the 2 months, they're gonna spend 2 MORE months 'modifying' it, but we're still stuck with something we didn't want and now it's *6* months later, because those additional 2 months were in the middle where they denied there was an issue.

Flaming them for "Or to bury the last patch and flame the team after they tried to fix a bunch of issues we've been dealing with for quite some time... "
You mean where they get around to fixing stuff AFTER they spend 2 months creating a grenade system we didn't want, creating a salvage mode that doesn't work, and an INV system that has eaten months worth of work some players put into the game? Sorry, too late, move along... yer outta luck.

There's an issue with creativity and Dev work in the game.
Deny it if you want, but if they were making 'Better' decisions, the game would be thriving, and the player base would be strong.
If they make poor decisions and implement them badly, people play other games instead.

I want them to make this a game lots of people want to stick with.

They want to make this a game people shrugg and walk away from.

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or another example, Trick says the chat will probably be fixed with DLC3 and people answer "a DLC is not meant to fix things"... I mean gimme a break, do we want things done here or are we just trolling?"

DLC: Down Loadable Content - Content... New Stuff.

Hot Fix: The place where you fix the shtako you broke, or the shtako you jekked up the first few times.

We *BUY* the DLCs.

They *OWE* us the Hot Fixes.

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Quoted for truth
This has been edited because my embed from youtube didn't want to work for some reason?...again

"Hire back the original Developers"?
And just what will that get us, pray tell? Hhhhmmmmm?

I LOVE this game and I am looking forward to the next DLC very much.
This Friday, Trick plans on showing us EVERYTHING!
Hey, those are his words, Homie. Not mine. I didn't say it on the Livestream. He did.

I want some Samurai. I don't know if Elizabeth is correct on them being ALIEN Samurai though.

http://infovore.org/wp-content/aliens-hudson.jpg

"Right, Right! Someone said ALIEN and she though she they said ILLEGAL ALIEN and signed up!"

That explains it.

hiring back some of the original DEV's to help the current team would at least give the current team a clue on the coding of this game. It may also help get this game going with a working chat, an auction house, clan raids, boss raids, etc...I'm sure the original team had big plans for this game. When this game first started we had a DEV in our clan and he was always curious about our input...he took pride in his work...I'm sure some of them could be a big asset right now.

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without people like that, I wouldn't have anyone to laugh at in my daily life.

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Why do you feel the need to laugh at other people? Maybe you're not as cool as you think you are and those people are laughing at you. . . . .

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Originally Posted by Blondin

They are the only responsible for that, when you do your job in the good way, ppl are happy, when you do your job in the wrong way ppl are angry.

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I don't think this is correct.

From my understanding of "how it's made," the "devs" aren't the top of the hierarchy. They have publishers that say this is what we want, make it happen.

In the case of Defiance. They have to coordinate with Syfy and Dodge{2 big money backers}. It isn't the devs setting around saying, "hey, lets phuc these guys really up and add canadian alien samurai bacon-sword wielding blokes. Yea! That'll really stir up the schtako!"

My guess is, it was some suits saying "what can we do to help our dwindling player base. I got it! Canadian alien samurai blokes! Yea! And, have him be a bacon-sword wielding bad *****!"

There is a chain of command and schtako rolls down hill. My guess is the devs probably got the word to do this and said, what the hell we'll do our best.

I may be wrong. *shrug*

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They are "developing" an idea sent from higher up.

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...This Friday, Trick plans on showing us EVERYTHING!
Hey, those are his words, Homie. Not mine. I didn't say it on the Livestream. He did.

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That explains it.

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CRIX:
If I get mooned on LiveStream, I'm holding YOU responsible.

Just sayin'....

Quote Originally Posted by CRIXDA
"...This Friday, Trick plans on showing us EVERYTHING!
Hey, those are his words, Homie. Not mine. I didn't say it on the Livestream. He did."

I wonder what that could possibly mean.
hmmmmm.
Everything...
Couldn't be hyperbole right?

From what I read they don't have the money to hire anyone back. Their latest project is eating it all up.
Ya, I'm real interested in playing a LEGOS frpg; not.

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From what I read they don't have the money to hire anyone back. Their latest project is eating it all up.
Ya, I'm real interested in playing a LEGOS frpg; not.

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To be honest, the actual LEGOS titles are pretty damned fun. LOL

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From what I read they don't have the money to hire anyone back. Their latest project is eating it all up.
Ya, I'm real interested in playing a LEGOS frpg; not.

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Isn't it nice how everyone talks about Trove, as if it is the only project they are currently doing? You know they are also doing ArcheAge as well, right?

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/g...Cemail%7C%5D,7

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

Quote Originally Posted by CRIXDA
"...This Friday, Trick plans on showing us EVERYTHING!
Hey, those are his words, Homie. Not mine. I didn't say it on the Livestream. He did."

I wonder what that could possibly mean.
hmmmmm.
Everything...
Couldn't be hyperbole right?

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Entirely possible....

Are we taking over/under bets?
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Entirely possible....

Are we taking over/under bets?
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We should have been since the beginning.

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Originally Posted by Atticus Batman

Isn't it nice how everyone talks about Trove, as if it is the only project they are currently doing? You know they are also doing ArcheAge as well, right?

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Any way you look at it, I resent them being short of funds and not fixing the game we bought, while spending money resuscitating AA.

It may show desire for diversity, sure.

But I don't appreciate them projecting the attitude that they already have us on the hook, so we can cool our jets while they try to hook other people with a 'new' (semi-failed) game.

'Short of funds'?
Yeah, remember how they had a huge company contraction recently?
Remember how close to the bone they cut customer service?
Remember how they made the announcement they weren't going to the trade show last year 'As a corporate presence'?
Yeah, seems to imply a cut back due to fund raising.

They didn't cut the purchase price on DEFI because they were rolling in dough and decided to just about give the game away as a gesture of generosity.

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Originally Posted by Atticus Batman

Isn't it nice how everyone talks about Trove, as if it is the only project they are currently doing? You know they are also doing ArcheAge as well, right?

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I'd probably talk about Trove if I had an invite, and also especially ArcheAge I like new shiny things, Defiance doesn't get enough love but maybe we should look at the things which does.

I was talking to one of the original devs who got fired the other day. He said this game was screwed from the start thanks to the amount of time they had to work on it, hence the reason why there are a large number of bugs from launch day still present.

The guys working on the game right now don't have time to really beta test. It's mostly hit or miss on the DLC's.