K-TAM is Done with Defiance - It's Been fun but someone has to go.

I have not posted on these forums since the 14th. My Main account "Beck" has not received any infractions for any posts in quite some time yet with out a reason my main account has been banned.

This is utter and complete Bull ******.

Elizabeth, you are no longer qualified to hold your position. Arbitrary banning for no reason is psychotic. You are wrong when you say people are inherently evil and sh itt y People. It's just you. Take a long hard look in the mirror.http://dahanese.com/?item=806

I am pulling the Contest K-TAM was hosting about guessing the release date for DLC3 ($80+) value. I wont support a game that acts with impunity, ignores the community and replies with vapid answers to questions.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=166

Elizabeth you like to string people along on the forums, trick people into thinking what they are posting is "ok" then attack them later. You attempt to marginalize and insult people with your non-answers. Don't think the community is ignorant to you or your tricks.

You can find K-TAM Thriving with Star Citizen and Pantheon. We have 4 Devs coming on this Sunday from Pantheon to talk with the community. They Asked to come on K-TAM. THAT is a sign of a great development team and company. Never has any Trion Dev asked to come on K-TAM (Sledgehammer70 and Vhalen did pop in randomly from time to time but they were both fired)

To the community of Defiance. You only have Defiance Data left of all the big and original community sites. You can thank Elizabeth and the mismanagement of Defiance for pushing the others away. If you are also dissatisfied with this game as we are, contact Scott Hartsman [edited to take out emails].

We thank everyone for their support and hope you will continue. We are growing more every week being a part of 2 excellent new communities. To those people who have voiced some excellent content for us that has not aired for story content Thank you. I can't thank everyone enough and we hope you will continue to join us on our journey.

Oh and just because I don't care anymore. Here is some Defiance Glossary for you all, leaked to us by several Defiance Devs, copy before it gets removed. With this you will have a very clear idea of the original end game strategy and story line which, based on DLC 3, is likely not going to happen.

What's this? Petty drama? I thought you guys were better than this. :| Guess I'm glad I stopped listening after my first time.

Nothing about this post is cool or acceptable. You should be ashamed.

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Originally Posted by Bakku

What's this? Petty drama? I thought you guys were better than this. :| Guess I'm glad I stopped listening after my first time.

Nothing about this post is cool or acceptable. You should be ashamed.

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If you stopped listening then what does your opinion matter? It doesn't. Until you get banned for nothing, for no reason etc. I have supported this game beyond what the community that does support us has asked. This is the final Straw that even I can not white wash, but you keep trying. Just remember when cleaning up other peoples B.S. you get covered with it.

I don't believe people get banned for no reason.

If it was an error, sort it out.

If it was an abuse of power based on your relationship with Elizabeth, talk about that, possibly to someone who can do something about it.

But if you deserved to be banned, which I believe is the most likely possibility (based on what I see in this post), accept the fact that you messed up, apologize and again, sort it out. Don't come to her work-place (yes, this is a part of her work-place) and bash her for all to see, blaming her for the fact that you're backing out on the reward for a contest you put up for the community.

I am going to miss you Beck.
I admire the creativity you guys put into KTAM and I admit I laughed a lot whenever I listened to the commercials.

Don't know what's going on, but thanks for that story stuff.
Doesn't really relate to their "end game" in any way like you claim, it's more back story and clarification on some things.

Still neat though if true. Thanks!

now I'm sad....the longest running fan based, consistently persistent, lore based storyline has ended. no more stories.....all are silent....

here's to the future beck, may Ktam shine even more brightly out there in the 'verse.

thanks for listening....and good journeys.

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Originally Posted by Bakku

I don't believe people get banned for no reason.

If it was an error, sort it out.

If it was an abuse of power based on your relationship with Elizabeth, talk about that, possibly to someone who can do something about it.

But if you deserved to be banned, which I believe is the most likely possibility (based on what I see in this post), accept the fact that you messed up, apologize and again, sort it out. Don't come to her work-place (yes, this is her work-place) and bash her for all to see, blaming her for the fact that you're backing out on the reward for a contest you put up for the community.

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Did you read my post? Go back and look at all my recent posts. Do YOU see an infraction ANYWHERE? You don't. So you tell me where this is justified? I have not logged in to these forums to post since the last one I made. This is unjustified and no reason is given, no evidence provided of any infraction.

There is no error when you ban someone. I frankly do not care what imaginary reason she chooses to make up to cause a ban. I have it in her own words the rules are more or less made up as they go. "we do have our own rules and conduct and adhere to that." - "We don't have a rolling set of rules here and we always err on the lenient side." Both Quotes from Elizabeth in the same conversation.

Bakku, I have posted NOTHING to get a ban for. You go find a post with in the last few days or even a week that warrants a ban, then you come back and tell me which post it was. That would at least be more information that I have received. The community management is a comedy of errors and I have done more than enough to try and support Defiance and I'll be honest, the community is not what it used to be.

Yes I found this to be a really great read honestly and it is very insightful to have. Also it might hold some clues to dlc 3 but I'm not going to blow the whistle on what I have figured that it is. Just cause I enjoy the game and I get to smile and parade around my house saying I was right, and down a all out touch down celebration.

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Originally Posted by hardy83

Don't know what's going on, but thanks for that story stuff.
Doesn't really relate to their "end game" in any way like you claim, it's more back story and clarification on some things.

Still neat though if true. Thanks!

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Ark ships? Ark Brains? Hammer head Gretch being a Xenophobe and willing to do anything to start a new war and a president who supports aliens? You don't see where this was going? Assassinations? E-REP control? Ark Brain in orbit...

Did YOU read MY post?

No matter the reason for you being banned, deal with it as an adult instead of flinging insults and imagined "incriminating evidence" about someone. I read her blog that you linked and there isn't a thing wrong with it, in fact I loved it, everything was spot on, in my opinion. I also read the exchange between her and Totalbiscuit-... Again, nothing wrong there, she's doing her job.

There is absolutely no reason for this drama, and while yes I was partially interested in the information about the game's back story, it wasn't yours to release.

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Originally Posted by Beck Altarr

Ark ships? Ark Brains? Hammer head Gretch being a Xenophobe and willing to do anything to start a new war and a president who supports aliens? You don't see where this was going? Assassinations? E-REP control? Ark Brain in orbit...

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Yup yup, I got all of that, I've compiled it into a dlc but, no more needs to be leaked if they can't put it together now don't try to explain it. Also I do rather enjoy how you've gone all Pirate Radio on us. XD

Every game needs that one rogue to make it more fun.

Why does everyone hate on dahanese for forum stuff when Tyrranos the Tyrant is the one dishing out all the punishment? You think there's some magical chain of command and approval process for forum bans that she rules over? Guess what, there isn't. Moderators moderate. Don't want to get banned? Don't post **** that will get you banned.

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Originally Posted by Bakku

Did YOU read MY post?

No matter the reason for you being banned, deal with it as an adult instead of flinging insults and imagined "incriminating evidence" about someone. I read her blog that you linked and there isn't a thing wrong with it, in fact I loved it, everything was spot on, in my opinion. I also read the exchange between her and Totalbiscuit-... Again, nothing wrong there, she's doing her job.

There is absolutely no reason for this drama, and while yes I was partially interested in the information about the game's back story, it wasn't yours to release.

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"I believe that all humans are inherently evil.If, given the opportunity and the right stimulus or motivation, all of us would be ****ty people and do bad things. We, as a people, are enthralled by pain, suffering, and humiliation: the more spectacular the trainwreck, the more thrilling. You might tell me I’m wrong, but you’d be lying to yourself. " - Elizabeth

What you are doing is in effect supporting her claim. I think her last sentence describes you very well. "You might tell me I’m wrong, but you’d be lying to yourself."

The facts are I have received no infractions on any posts for some time and all previous infractions have expired. Yet was banned none the less. I can only wonder why. I am thinking it is because we had Tony on last Sunday and we have Tony and others on again this sunday from Pantheon. There is something festering here and we can't be a part of it. Your blind support is just more evidence of that. Your blind faith is evident. You have decided you do not need any proof that God exists to believe in a God. That is frankly unintelligent thinking.

Again, banning someone is not an accident, it is intentional. I run a forum, I know what the process is to ban someone and it is not just an accidental oops of checking the wrong box.

I know you, Beck. I know people like you. I was an officer in a World of Warcraft guild once, and the leader played with his girlfriend. They broke up, and she SNAPPED, she took over the guild website, ripped everything apart and aired their dirty laundry for everyone to see on the front page, making a point to put down his "manhood". The thing is, no matter how much she contributed to the guild, no matter how much people once respected her, she became a tiny faded memory of a girl who lost her mind when something didn't go her way. And we, we picked up the pieces and kept going, better than ever. The Defiance community isn't dead, and while I can tell there were people who enjoyed you and K-TAM, it's absence isn't going to affect a multi-million dollar project like Defiance.

Sorry to see K-TAM go. It was a fun ride.

Luck to you with the other games.

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Originally Posted by Bakku

I know you, Beck. I know people like you. I was an officer in a World of Warcraft guild once, and the leader played with his girlfriend. They broke up, and she SNAPPED, she took over the guild website, ripped everything apart and aired their dirty laundry for everyone to see on the front page, making a point to put down his "manhood". The thing is, no matter how much she contributed to the guild, no matter how much people once respected her, she became a tiny faded memory of a girl who lost her mind when something didn't go her way. And we, we picked up the pieces and kept going, better than ever. The Defiance community isn't dead, and while I can tell there were people who enjoyed you and K-TAM, it's absence isn't going to affect a multi-million dollar project like Defiance.

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Ok, I understand you are troll baiting. Your example is not relevant. You yourself stated you don't listen to K-TAM, so you in fact have no idea what is/has been going on at all.

To say we don't have an effect on Defiance is also wrong. Every time a community supporter leaves it removes some of the confidence a community has with a game. The only major supporter is Defiancedata.com. The Wiki is a joke and not even a real wiki because it can only be edited by one person. ALL the other original Fan/community sites have stopped supporting Defiance. If you go back and look at how the community has De-volved as those sites shut down and the availability of information has been restricted and look at the answers being brought forward to the questions here. Look at how the community has asked for grenades not to be changed yet were ignored.

This is epidemic and the community that supports K-TAM has been telling me to move on to the point of almost losing several members of our team and I can no longer fight against that. We support the community first and the game second.

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Originally Posted by Beck Altarr

The facts are I have received no infractions on any posts for some time and all previous infractions have expired. Yet was banned none the less.

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Not all infractions expire, and you're not told which ones do and which ones don't.

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Originally Posted by Swag

Not all infractions expire, and you're not told which ones do and which ones don't.

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Yes they do list all infractions and they do list when they expire. They also tell you why you got one. It is all part of your account. Again I ask, do you see any recent infractions for posts made? They all get that red box to name and shame people. You wont find one for any post I have made in weeks.

In the end it is moot. Our community has asked us to move on, I have hung on for as long as I could, but after this I will not have any reason to stay. We exist because there is a community that supports us with donations and assistance for content. My commitment has always been to our community, which at one time was the Defiance community. That Defiance community has moved on to other games.

Grab some coffee, lets chat.

As a CM myself I frequent other gaming sites to pick up tips and tricks and see how they handle their community on tricky issues. I have been following the Defiance forums since its inception. So I've been fortunate enough to watch this all unfold. I have never in all my years been so inclined to sign up and respond to another websites issues. That said, here I am and that in itself should speak volumes to you Mr. Beck.

First, let me preface with I don't know either you or Elizabeth personally. All either of you are to me are words on a page.

I have seen everything in this industry but you Sir, are a legend. Yes you :) You see, we talk about you as a case study. Oh my apologies if you are taking this as positive reinforcement in any way. Let me back up. You are so out of touch with reality and the drama and trouble you create to try and stay relevant and fresh is appalling. In fact another industry friend and I discussed the very real possibility you suffered from a personality disorder. Specifically NPD. I will spare you the details, you can Google.

Here are the facts:

100% of the time a community member "claims" they didn't do anything to deserve a ban, they did. It might not have happened on the forums. It very well could have happened in a PM or email. But they deserved it. However, as responsible adults and professionals we are not at liberty to discuss what happened on the forums. So some of you are able to get away with waving a flag screaming "I didn't do anything" but we both know you did. For all we know (evident by posting Scotts email) someone else punched your clock from posting.

Same thing happened to me last month. A user emailed our President a threatening email. Banned. Thens he's off on other "fan" sites crying he didn't do anything. What are we supposed to do? Prove you wrong and post the email? No. Then all the other responsible community members are afraid to contact you. Look at the BIG picture not just the corner.

Your blatant disregard for this very community by posting that Glossary shows your true intent and motives. What a crappy thing to do. Not only do you ruin the experience for everyone here by spoiling it before its ready but you opened those Devs up to a lawsuit. GG. Did you ever stop to think about them? No, it all revolves around you. (Google NPD)

I have never read anything from Elizabeth that made me cringe. Not once. Thank you for linking me to her blog though, I wasn't aware of that. What a great read. Thanks Beck!

Our work isn't thankless. Out of thousands there are only a few bad seeds. Those bad seeds are self sowing and spread like weeds. They take up so much of our time and ruin so much of the experience for others. Sometimes I feel guilty that I was busy managing a jerk face and didn't have the five minutes to stop and tell another poster how much I enjoyed their contribution.

Another cold fact that I hope really reaches your NPD logic. When members behave as poorly as you we aren't sad to see you go. In fact its a relief. When you aren't the solution you ARE the problem. So kudos' to whoever did get the honor of ban hammering you to oblivion. You are a vile person and the only question I'd ask Elizabeth if I could would be:

WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG?

So she's a way better CM than I for letting you have the privilege to be such a raging lunatic for so long.

This is a VIDEO GAME people. Play it, have fun.

Love,

RainbowBrite

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Originally Posted by RainbowBrite

Grab some coffee, lets chat.

(snip...a bunch of stuff.)

Love,

RainbowBrite

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gods....I miss Codex.

Wow the Drama is strong with this one.

Never got into KTAM sorry, i dislike music, so never appealed to me.

I will say airing what ever this drama is in a game forum is pretty immature you should deal with it as adults in pm or just move on.

Good luck with your next endeavors in those other games.

I'm not sure if I say Thank you or Can I help you :)

But I googled Codex and Wiki said it was a Tree Trunk or Block :/

Cheers!

Never really got into K-TAM, either. Definitely would like to see more in-game plot lines involved with some of the info in the Glossary, though! How about the EGO actually sending you on a mission to recover some data about it's former life? Pretty awesome stuff.

On that note...I'll just say this to the drama:

Neat!

Kind of a ***** move to pull your contest just because you're butt hurt, though. Definitely flipping off this community and any from your own that signed up for that contest; all because you couldn't keep your house in order. Not cool, man.

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Originally Posted by Synther

Never really got into K-TAM, either. Definitely would like to see more in-game plot lines involved with some of the info in the Glossary, though! How about the EGO actually sending you on a mission to recover some data about it's former life? Pretty awesome stuff.

On that note...I'll just say this to the drama:

Neat!

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At this point, any amount of lore and story based content that isn't completely bonkers would be nice.

Oh well.

About the contest, let me be clear. By closing the contest, we're simply no longer taking entries. We will still honor our promise to the winner of the contest as best we can. Granted, the portion of the prize offered to us by Dahanese will not be included because we never received it.

Defiance Wiki's still here as well, granted we have a smaller community. You also have Defiance Central.

I have been contacting moderators and Trion support about enforcing the rules around here more harshly, too many people get away with too much. It's possible you were breaking the rules all this time and no one noticed until now.

At any rate to each their own. See ya.

I am really excited about Star Citizen. Please don't go anywhere near it.

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Originally Posted by RainbowBrite

I'm not sure if I say Thank you or Can I help you :)

But I googled Codex and Wiki said it was a Tree Trunk or Block :/

Cheers!

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This is Codex, to me and many other gamers: (But I think someone here on the forums has the same name.)

Felicia Day in The Guild:
http://data2.whicdn.com/images/66835998/large.jpg

Anyway, I didn't feel like responding anymore. There's no reasoning with some people, and they'll never admit to their mistakes. Beck couldn't see how my comparison of volatile, spiteful behavior was relevant, so she would surely never see the truth in anything else I have to say. No matter who you are you HAVE to realize that posting these things, about the game and about Elizabeth, with NOTHING to back up your accusations is a mistake.

She's a lot more awesome than a wood block! Thanks for clarifying, much appreciated :)

Have a great evening :D

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Originally Posted by Bakku

This is Codex, to me and many other gamers: (But I think someone here on the forums has the same name.)

Felicia Day in The Guild:
http://data2.whicdn.com/images/66835998/large.jpg

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Really hot :)

Well, while I understand the anger Beck I don't agree with the route you took on leaving. I will miss having something to listen to while they attempt to roll out the next DLC. You should have took the high road man and made them look as petty as you claim they are. Instead you turn the community on you by going the dramatic route. I do wish you guys the best of luck and hope you look back and learn from this someday.

Well, I should go refill my coffee... another "I quit playing this game" thread. Sweet!

I kid... I kid.

I'm not surprised remotely Beck, and even less surprised at the vitriol being spewed by members of this forum. You say he should be ashamed? Take a long hard look in the mirror folks.

Morning, folks.

In the interest of full disclosure: I don't personally ban people. I don't have the full story here, but I do know that Beck's handle had a forum signature that violated rules. I do believe those points gave him a temporary ban - and I do know our PM system when banned needs overhauling, so I'm sorry if that raises frustration with people, but I can tell you that personal attacks, making alts while banned, and leaking info isn't the right way to dispute a ban. You can always Skype me at dahanese if you need to, though.

Until I fully read this thread I'm going to leave it open. I've edited out unreleased info, for obvious reasons, and please don't repost it. I'd like to respect the dev team with that, and the work their doing on the game currently.

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

I'm not surprised remotely Beck, and even less surprised at the vitriol being spewed by members of this forum. You say he should be ashamed? Take a long hard look in the mirror folks.

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I don't disagree with him just don't like the way he went about it is all. There are better ways...

Hey-

As I've now combed through this thread, I am going to be closing it as it's a "goodbye" thread and we don't keep those open. If anyone wants to chat with me, my virtual door is open - about the game, moderation, the company, my personal blog and Twitter, or my past jobs. :)

Thanks.