Did you forget to flip the switch or does this DLC have NO story content?

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Originally Posted by WhiteF8ng

Why? Why didn't you guys tell us this sooner? The amount of frustration...I can't...this:

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Tell me about it... I've never seen so much cloak and dagger/smoke and mirrors/bait and switch from a gaming company before in my life. It's a kick in the pants, for sure... and a mistake that I won't soon make again. Going to take a lot for them to get back in my good graces.

I'm only playing through the span of this game's life for the sake of that damned season pass.

Bless my PS4. ;)

#justsaying

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Originally Posted by WhiteF8ng

Why? Why didn't you guys tell us this sooner? The amount of frustration...I can't...this:

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It's a simple case of good intentions, gone wrong. (yes, I know where they lead)...

Just because they did not have ample time to include everything they (we) hoped for... doesn't mean they didn't want to include it.

Despite what many people may believe, Trion is not some evil empire whose sole goal is to ruin everyone's fun.

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Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p

Tell me about it... I've never seen so much cloak and dagger/smoke and mirrors/bait and switch from a gaming company before in my life. It's a kick in the pants, for sure... and a mistake that I won't soon make again. Going to take a lot for them to get back in my good graces.

#justsaying

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Let's see...

EAMythic
Lord British
38 Studios

...feel free to add.

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Originally Posted by Amack

It is my opinion (and mine alone it seems) that the only Defiance we should be worried about is the Defiance that will exist after Season 2 ends...

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Can I get that version now?
Seriously what difference will it make then? This game has made it's reputation now. Doesn't matter how good it might possibly could be in the future, if no one is playing because of the shape it is in now.

Edit to add: More proof the second biggest cause of issues in games is the deadline.

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Originally Posted by tabularasa

38 Studios

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Kingdoms of Amalur: Boring? I played that game for a few days before it bored me to tears, and returned it. There were no secret developer plots for me to follow on that one, since I would rather play with a ball of string than follow along with that train wreck. I also can't stand Curt Schilling, so I wasn't about to help out that guy, not one bit.

Yeah, most developers out there are secretive, I'm well aware of it and I fully understand it... this is just a whole new level that I've never seen before. Almost makes me nauseous.

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Originally Posted by Manstan

Can I get that version now?
Seriously what difference will it make then? This game has made it's reputation now. Doesn't matter how good it might possibly could be in the future, if no one is playing because of the shape it is in now.

Edit to add: More proof the second biggest cause of issues in games is the deadline.

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I mean no offense to you Stan, but this is exactly the short and single minded attitudes I refer to.

What you are effectively saying is that no matter how good something becomes, if it wasn't good to begin with, it will never work... that simply is not true.

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Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p

I'm only playing through the span of this game's life for the sake of that damned season pass.

Bless my PS4. ;)

#justsaying

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and your clan :D....can't forget us!

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Originally Posted by Shadow Andreas

and your clan :D....can't forget us!

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C'mon now... that goes without saying. Jeez.

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Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p

C'mon now... that goes without saying. Jeez.

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LMAO.....just wanted to make sure....hahahaha

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Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p

C'mon now... that goes without saying. Jeez.

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Hey Creepo! I am the........Batman!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNBBkjUvonE

Sorry couldn't help myself.

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Originally Posted by KeevanSixx

*trying to think positive, trying to think positive, Ommmmmm*

Thank you Trick, for taking the time to drop in here, and inform us. It may not have been what the community was expecting, nor wanting to hear, but the gesture was appreciated much the same.

That being said, I have to question the motivations of the team over there in regards to "content".

<snip>

I feel you guys were handed the short end of a really messy stick, and try your best to achieve something with limited resources, but could do much much better if you wanted to....

That being said, there are several routes one could take to expand upon the existing content to make it feel much more than it is at this moment.

One such suggestion, though tired and oft overdone, is to open up more map area to the north of the stratocarrier crash zone, and create a new outpost there (welcome to the city of New Freedom) with most of the things the community has been asking for since launch.

Another such suggestion for the new area, to open up map areas, would be to skin and craft a dirt track racing area for members of the community whom may be inclined to race each other, mad max style, through the new wilderness....I know, I know....overdone....but more than we possibly have now.

What is lacking in the game, can be remedied with a little more fine polish, a minor overhaul of the game engine, and the willingness to do so.

I'm attempting to stay positive for the sake of argument, though time and experience has proven otherwise....so.....How bout it Trick? Can these little things be done? Will the team be willing to go that extra mile, to fix the engine, to craft a story worthy of itself, to go beyond the pale into new frontiers?

I'm asking for the world, I know....but it's worth it.

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In addition to liking the above in general, I'd like to focus on the stuff in purple for a moment and point out that I'm capable of being a LOT more patient in light of being treated as an adult who entered into a deal with TRION.

I/We may not like the information we've been given, but just the fact that we were given information affords us the ability to feel as if we are being shown respect as opposed to neglect.

It's not another blank check I'm willing to hand Trion/Trick and the DEFI team, but I AM perfectly willing to sit back and chill if I'm given the Box O'Truth.

TRION could have saved a lot of trouble had they not acted all along as if they were telling us "GFY".


Many people who are here now, or who already left, probably wont say this as freely as I:

Trick:
The ball is in your court.

Use the time and good will you can grab from this to your advantage, for if we end up back in the same dark and remote place we were before, people will not afford you another second chance.
I know I won't.

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Originally Posted by Amack

It's a simple case of good intentions, gone wrong. (yes, I know where they lead)...

Just because they did not have ample time to include everything they (we) hoped for... doesn't mean they didn't want to include it.

Despite what many people may believe, Trion is not some evil empire whose sole goal is to ruin everyone's fun.

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Amack:
I don't give a rat'sAzz about intentions, if they can't show us some respect.

They missed deadlines, and broke schedules, and showed us nothing in the way of respect while doing it.

Trick's statement above?
This is as clean as the slate is gonna get right now.

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Originally Posted by crasher

Many people who are here now, or who already left, probably wont say this as freely as I:

Trick:
The ball is in your court.

Use the time and good will you can grab from this to your advantage, for if we end up back in the same dark and remote place we were before, people will not afford you another second chance.
I know I won't.

Amack:
I don't give a rat'sAzz about intentions, if they can't show us some respect.

They missed deadlines, and broke schedules, and showed us nothing in the way of respect while doing it.

Trick's statement above?
This is as clean as the slate is gonna get right now.

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Co-signed.

Couldn't have said it much better myself!! :thumbsup:

Crasher - As usual I have to agree with you. I asked for prompt honesty

Dammit! Why did you have to show up Crasher??

I jest. You are right as usual my friend, on pretty much every accord.
I am more worried about baby steps at this point.

Games live and die by their reputation. This game has made it's reputation. No amount of polish or gold leaf in the future is going to change that.
More over my experience with games is if it isn't good now, it never will be. I can only base my opinion on what is here now and the way things have went in the past. If I hire a crew to build me a shed and they do a bad job of it, I certainly am not going to trust them to build me a house no matter how much they reassure me they will do a better job.

I have very very rarely ever seen a game get better; read as never. Once they start down hill they continue down hill. Now I don't know whom painted you a rosy picture of this games future, but I am choking on the bugs and to blind by the present issues to see it.

I'm sorry, I have been at this too long to believe anything a dev{read as market... er um manager} tells me. If one told me it was raining, I'd have to go out side and get wet to believe them.

What do you want Stan? You want me to tell a pessimist to be optimistic?

If you really feel that strongly about this situation, then you need to back away from it.

Reputation by definition can be earned at any time. There is no "time frame" for reputation.

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Originally Posted by Manstan

I have very very rarely ever seen a game get better; read as never. Once they start down hill they continue down hill. Now I don't know whom painted you a rosy picture of this games future, but I am choking on the bugs and to blind by the present issues to see it.

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I respectfully disagree with this comment. I've seen a number of games in the past turn things around with plenty of TLC. Quick example... things weren't all sunshine and rainbows in the early days of that "other" MMO that I play on the PlayStation Network, and that was just over three years ago. It took a while for that game to hit its stride. After seeing that turnaround for myself, I figured/hoped this game would've hit its stride by now. Or at least be on a more clear path to its stride.

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Originally Posted by crasher

as if we are being shown respect as opposed to neglect.

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I don't know if I'm buying that Crasher. They knew they had no content to release, but pumped it anyway.

They knew that we were waiting for a sizeable amount of content for DLC3, but copped out with a "DLC4" excuse instead. And only, after we noticed there was no damn content in it.

Reminds me of a distasteful car salesman at a used car lot that hasn't made any sales this month...and it's the 29th. This entire DLC took how much effort?

I'm thinking 2-3 days, for one dev. Tops, 25 hours total. Absolutely unbelievable, even keeping in mind what we've seen as "content" previously.

Honestly, I can't believe I see anyone defending this attempt at a "DLC".

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Originally Posted by Amack

What do you want Stan? You want me to tell a pessimist to be optimistic?

If you really feel that strongly about this situation, then you need to back away from it.

Reputation by definition can be earned at any time. There is no "time frame" for reputation.

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Once you have earned a rep it takes twice as much work to unearn it ;)

What do I want to see? Easy, sold evidence they game will get better, the bugs will be fixed, the DLCs will be worth the asking price, shall I go on?

N3gativeCr33p I'm not on a PS, my experience is just PC online. And I have seen too many games demise caused by the developers. Mostly from not listening to it's players.

Seriously, once you have seen a few games you have gotten deep in to and spent money on go belly up, you tend to be quite hesitant about doing it again.

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Originally Posted by Umfafa

I don't know if I'm buying that Crasher. They knew they had no content to release, but pumped it anyway.

They knew that we were waiting for a sizeable amount of content for DLC3, but copped out with a "DLC4" excuse instead. And only, after we noticed there was no damn content in it.

Reminds me of a distasteful car salesman at a used car lot that hasn't made any sales this month...and it's the 29th. This entire DLC took how much effort?

I'm thinking 2-3 days, for one dev. Tops, 25 hours total. Absolutely unbelievable, even keeping in mind what we've seen as "content" previously.

Honestly, I can't believe I see anyone defending this attempt at a "DLC".

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Umfafa, you know I like you buddy. It has saddened me to watch you go from cheerful about the game, to your current state. I am glad everyday when I see you return to post something, even when it is negative.

I am sure you are familiar with the term "Have your cake, and eat it too" ... that is all that happened here, please trust me on this.

I literally witnessed this myself, if no one else noticed... I saw them shift gears completely from content to bug fixes. Give em time, that is all I ask.

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Originally Posted by Manstan

Seriously, once you have seen a few games you have gotten deep in to and spent money on go belly up, you tend to be quite hesitant about doing it again.

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I can't comment. This is the first time I've seen this much tomfoolery tied to a video game before.

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Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p

I can't comment. This is the first time I've seen this much tomfoolery tied to a video game before.

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You don't get out much lol ;) I've actually seen far worse.

"I literally witnessed this myself, if no one else noticed... I saw them shift gears completely from content to bug fixes. Give em time, that is all I ask". Amack

I'm all for that. But don't expect me to buy Barbyware to get it. And don't try to sell me a $2 DLC for $10.
And I'll ask, hasn't a year been enough time?

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Originally Posted by crasher

In addition to liking the above in general, I'd like to focus on the stuff in purple for a moment and point out that I'm capable of being a LOT more patient in light of being treated as an adult who entered into a deal with TRION.

I/We may not like the information we've been given, but just the fact that we were given information affords us the ability to feel as if we are being shown respect as opposed to neglect.

It's not another blank check I'm willing to hand Trion/Trick and the DEFI team, but I AM perfectly willing to sit back and chill if I'm given the Box O'Truth.

TRION could have saved a lot of trouble had they not acted all along as if they were telling us "GFY".


Many people who are here now, or who already left, probably wont say this as freely as I:

Trick:
The ball is in your court.

Use the time and good will you can grab from this to your advantage, for if we end up back in the same dark and remote place we were before, people will not afford you another second chance.
I know I won't.

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Agreed. I appreciate the honesty finally, but I prefer if they are honest up front instead of stringing us along like they have been. All I know is DLC 4 better be abso'****ing'lutely amazing.

I'm pretty much at my last bit of patience for them. If they don't fix the warmaster loot with the DLC launch or sometime shortly after, I'm throwing in the towel.

Which is a shame because I still have 2k bits on my account that I have nothing to spend them on and I can't get a refund for it. I'll probably end up giving the account to my brother, I bought him defiance for the xbox and bought him the first DLC and he just stopped playing because of how terrible it is on consoles.

I also still have a deluxe edition account I won from a live stream that I don't even use and have no idea what I'm going to do with it. Also gave my friend an account from the extra life event that I got for registering, he played for a week and got bored. Heh.

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Originally Posted by Manstan

You don't get out much lol ;) I've actually seen far worse.

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Must be all a part of that "PC Master Race" rhetoric that I keep hearing about. Makes me glad to be in the "Console Peasant Race" for a change. ;)

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Originally Posted by Amack

Umfafa, you know I like you buddy. It has saddened me to watch you go from cheerful about the game, to your current state.

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I don't dislike anyone here. Got no reason to. Only thing I know about you is your opinion on the game. ;)

It's saddened me too. But I didn't get here by sitting in a dark cave doing jenkem all day. I'll watch, but I still can't believe that you're sticking up for these guys this time. Other times, maybe...and then maybe even me too. Not this time.

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Originally Posted by Umfafa

But I didn't get here by sitting in a dark cave doing jenkem all day.

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OH GOOD LORD! You just HAD to remind me of that disgusting drug...

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Originally Posted by Umfafa

I don't dislike anyone here. Got no reason to. Only thing I know about you is your opinion on the game. ;)

It's saddened me too. But I didn't get here by sitting in a dark cave doing jenkem all day. I'll watch, but I still can't believe that you're sticking up for these guys this time. Other times, maybe...and then maybe even me too. Not this time.

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Hey NO insulting my dark cave! It didn't do anything to you!

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Originally Posted by Umfafa

It's saddened me too. But I didn't get here by sitting in a dark cave doing jenkem all day. I'll watch, but I still can't believe that you're sticking up for these guys this time. Other times, maybe...and then maybe even me too. Not this time.

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Like I've said, whether they pull this off or not, it will be a good show either way.

I question my sanity each and every day. I have not gotten the answer I am looking for, yet.

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Originally Posted by Amack

Like I've said, whether they pull this off or not, it will be a good show either way.

I question my sanity each and every day. I have not gotten the answer I am looking for, yet.

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Well, there's your problem right there.
How are you supposed to question something that doesn't exist?

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Originally Posted by Sobelize

Well, there's your problem right there.
How are you supposed to question something that doesn't exist?

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A voice in my head specifically told me it did exist!

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Originally Posted by Amack

It's a simple case of good intentions, gone wrong. (yes, I know where they lead)...

Just because they did not have ample time to include everything they (we) hoped for... doesn't mean they didn't want to include it.

Despite what many people may believe, Trion is not some evil empire whose sole goal is to ruin everyone's fun.

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I understand the situation, but, we're looking at ~4 months of anticipation for some story beefiness and instead it seems to be a case of "Wait, did we forget to tell you...?". Even though we hated the grenade change, we knew it was coming. It made that pill easier to swallow. In this case, we pulled back the curtain on door 3 and it was empty. Apparently it was door 4.

Feed us info. Keep us in the loop. Good or bad, COMMUNICATE with your COMMUNITY...otherwise: Why are we here?

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

....I'm at a loss for words here.

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Oh, I have plenty of words at the moment, but I'd get an infraction for using them.

Ahemm...

I think ill wait for DLC 4 and draw my conclusion about Defiance then....

Hahah someone is going to post that **** watch hahaha

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Originally Posted by Valethar

Oh, I have plenty of words at the moment, but I'd get an infraction for using them.

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Speak on it!!! Don't hold back, I care about infractions about as much as a care about the Hadron Collider.

http://i62.tinypic.com/2qa4o5d.jpg


See Arsenic, now I am trolling people... big difference lol.

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Originally Posted by Daholic

Ahemm...

I think ill wait for DLC 4 and draw my conclusion about Defiance then....

Hahah someone is going to post that **** watch hahaha

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well, not so much as a "drawing of conclusions"...

It's more along the lines of "we're standing here at the edge of this here cliff, waving a red flag, with strobe lights flashing, a full brass band blowing, with stop signs, and road block thrown down, watching the defiance train barrel downhill along the train track at full speed towards the edge, all the while we're screaming "look out! wake up! Quick! someone switch the track before it goes over..."

other than that...the rest is in the devs hands.

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Originally Posted by Beck

The Radio won't be producing further Defiance content. I enjoy playing aspects of the game and I will remain a member of the community. Regardless of our other thoughts. We have said changes need to be made or the community will suffer. Look around. We have moved on as a radio. We don't do pod casts. we are still players who paid for the game like all of you and likely spent more than many buying at launch.

We have been honest. Like it or not we haven't been fake or misleading in our programming. We back up our thoughts and never censor anyone who has been part of a show. We don't need a radio program to point out the flaws. It does make us an easy target.

It is my opinion that there needs to be fundamental changes at Trion to get Defiance on track. Including some staff. At this point though even that might be too little too late.

Call me crazy. It's my opinion and I made it. I don't expect people to agree but looking at the forums it's obvious that everyone else is slowly going crazy too.

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None can fault KTAM for jumpin' ship. Seldom, outside of addiction, has so much potential been squandered so rapidly. I love Defiance concept, and like the game. Shame that Trion thinks so little of it. No slight at the employees, this is pure failure at upper management level. But, to use a music related analogy; being involved in Defiance is like being on production for Amy Winehouse. All worry and fear until the ever expectant tears.

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Originally Posted by KeevanSixx

well, not so much as a "drawing of conclusions"...

It's more along the lines of "we're standing here at the edge of this here cliff, waving a red flag, with strobe lights flashing, a full brass band blowing, with stop signs, and road block thrown down, watching the defiance train barrel downhill along the train track at full speed towards the edge, all the while we're screaming "look out! wake up! Quick! someone switch the track before it goes over..."

other than that...the rest is in the devs hands.

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Wow that is some funny stuff right there.

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Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p

Must be all a part of that "PC Master Race" rhetoric that I keep hearing about. Makes me glad to be in the "Console Peasant Race" for a change. ;)

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On board with this philosophy.

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Originally Posted by TigrisMorte

~SNIPShame that Trion thinks so little of it. No slight at the employees, this is pure failure at upper management level.~SNIP~

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This is what irks the hell out of me!